2 Players flirt with the Redskin Record Books

[dj_stouty]

There are only four games to go...and Clinton Portis and Santana Moss are in managable reach of two franchise single season records.

The Redskins' single season rushing record is held by Stephen Davis. In 2001, he ran for a club-high 1,432 yards. Portis currently has 1,079 yards and can beat the record by rushing for 88.5 yards per game over the next four games.

The Redskins' single season receiving record is held by Bobby Mitchell. In 1963, Bobby caught 69 balls for a club-high 1,436 receiving yards. Moss currently has 1,111 yards and needs 81.5 yards per game over next four games to beat the record.

Anyone think one or both of these guys can make the record books this year?

[Ibleedburgundy]

I think Portis can do it but not Moss. Rumor has it that we are going to start pounding the ball more, especially on third down. The word is out around the league about Santana, teams are doubling and tripling him. If we had another reciever to draw attention, Santana would be golden.

[DUCKIN_TACKLERS]

Im gonna vote Maybe on Portis due to playing Arizona and Philly. I think Dallas and NY still know he is the guy to stop on offense and they will concentrate on that aspect of our game. On Santana Im going to say no. I dont think that means he isnt stellar but next year may be better for him to do so. The passing O has really started to stall and the respect he is getting is crazy. Did you guys see that zone st louis put on him where 4 guys were covering him. Wow this guy needs help from the other WRs. Either Way I think Both deserve huge props. Thanks for making my Skins a fun team to watch week to week Gentlemen.:awesomewo

[RedskinsDave]

I don't think people around the league have any clue how many yards Portis has.

[DUCKIN_TACKLERS]

I don't think people around the league have any clue how many yards Portis has.
I dont think most skins fans know. there where alot of get rid of portis rants and he isnt worth the money stuff in the last few weeks. I wish we would appreciate this guy more. he has shown nothing but Class and hardwork since arriving and even though he has struggled through Offensive woes and Scheme changes he has stayed a good soldier and has only been interested in making this team better and not about his numbers.

[frankez99]

There are only four games to go...and Clinton Portis and Santana Moss are in managable reach of two franchise single season records.

The Redskins' single season rushing record is held by Stephen Davis. In 2001, he ran for a club-high 1,432 yards. Portis currently has 1,079 yards and can beat the record by rushing for 88.5 yards per game over the next four games.

The Redskins' single season receiving record is held by Bobby Mitchell. In 1963, Bobby caught 69 balls for a club-high 1,436 receiving yards. Moss currently has 1,111 yards and needs 81.5 yards per game over next four games to beat the record.

Anyone think one or both of these guys can make the record books this year?

There is a good chance....I think, and hope, he can do it. Too bad he can't replicate Stephen's 17 rushing td's he had that year though!

[flave1969]

I think they can actually both break the single season records. Portis is more of a certainty because the emphasis will be on the ground game. I like Moss's chances because he has the capability on any given play to break the big one. If he can grab five balls per game at his current average he will break the record.

As a sidenote Chris Cooley became the first TE to catch 50 balls since Jerry Smith in 1969. Cooley also has more yards and TD's than last years leading receiver Laverneus Coles, he also trails by just three receptions. Trading up for Chris Cooley was a fantastic move by the Front Office.

Also Mark Brunell is just 501 yards short of passing 30000 career yards and if he can manage 5 TD's he will register the highest single season total of his career.

[Spence]

I added a poll to this thread because it seemed appropriate. I voted that Portis will set the rushing yards record.

[vabeach_skinsfan]

I think Portis will be able to break the record. Without a legit #2 reciever, I'm not sure Moss will break the record, atleast not this year.

[The Skinsinator]

I also concur that Portis will set the record for most yards in one season by a Skin. Gibbs is going to put even more emphasis on the running game allowing him to get this opportunity. He will also play harder than ever knowing every game is do or die. Hope he gets it. I don't know about Santana though. Teams are going to swarn all over him without a good #2. Santana will be even more unreal when our #2 position is completely resolved and effective. Kudos to both CP and Santana on great seasons! End it strong boys.

[Jon Jansen is money]

If anyone is gonna do it, it will be Portis. Too much attention on Santana with no #2 or #3 recievers.

[inevitable]

Portis has 3 tough division games ahead of him, and based on his history here (and the offensive lines history) Portis doesn't tend to get the huge games ala last week, or Chicago/Detroit last year when playing inside the division.

Unfortunately when we only throw the ball as infrequently as we do, I don't think there's a chance in the world Santana is going to get enough touches for him to break that mark. However if there ever was a year he was going to do it, it would have been this year, while he was under the radar of most teams. Because I know we won't be going after a big, quality #2 receiver next year, that would be wayy to smart. We'll probably pick up another QB :rolleyes:

So, therefore, unfortunately, I think both guys fall short, despite very very good seasons for both of them.

Anyways, I know I sound very negative, but despite winning this week, I don't feel good at all about our offense coming into these last 4 games, particuarly when 3 are going to be against division rivals.

[Skinz4lyfe]

I think they'll both fall short for different reasons. First Portis faces stiffer competition in the coming weeks (Cowboys, Giants, and Eagles). Then we haven't been passing the ball nearly as much. Until we show that we can free Moss up in the passing game I don't see him having another 100 yd game this year. But IMO they'll barely fall short.

[dj_stouty]

Portis has 3 tough division games ahead of him, and based on his history here (and the offensive lines history) Portis doesn't tend to get the huge games ala last week, or Chicago/Detroit last year when playing inside the division.

Yes...Portis hasn't had a great track record rushing against the NFC East during the last two seasons.

Portis only had one game over 100 yards in the 9 games played against the NFC East teams. (He is averaging 65 yards per game against them)

Regardless, I think this O-line is playing much better than the one in the beginning of this season and all of last season. That being said...I think he can average about 30 more yards per game against them in this stretch run...

Santana will have a much harder time breaking Bobby's record, I'm afraid.

[skinsfan811]

Portis will defenitely do it, and I also think that Moss will turn it on against a sub-par D in Arizona.CP can easily get the 90 yrds/game if he keeps his current pace, and Moss could have a great shot also if Gibbs starts calling his number downfield more.

The passes to Moss downfield will become such a threat that a little swing pass to CP or a little 8 or 9 yard hook over the middle of the field to Cooley will be opened up.So, the success of the team also relies on the deep threat called Santana.

Moss needs to be as big a part of this offense as he was the first few games.Gibbs needs to call his #.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

if they both can gain some good yardage against a relatively weak cards defense, they should be able to do it. they pretty much need what they average and they are our two best playmakers so they will have their chances.

[The Skinsinator]

if they both can gain some good yardage against a relatively weak cards defense, they should be able to do it.Good point, they need to stock up lots of yards Sunday to get this done. How does Portis for 175 and Santana for 150 sound? Let's win the game, first things first. But those stats sure sound wonderful.

[smoak]

I'm voting neither. I don't want them to get any records whatsoever. I just want to win. I'd take a 2-0 victory in AZ. Just win for the love of a ham sandwich... WIN. Hopefully they feel the same way b/c I thought we got rid of the selfish glory grabbers on the team.

Cooley, Portis, Sellers, Royal, and whoever plays opposite Moss need to step UP! Make teams pay for over coimmitting to Moss.

[bgforever]

Many of us pretty much see it coming, but wow, its happening so quietly while the bridges are building, the quite snowflakes hit the ground, and the loud chatter has stopped in DC. Its still chatter, its just not loud, because our team is in a familiar zone we all have seen so many times good and bad.

But to have those two milestones fall from 2 AWESOME players when it came to delivering BIG! is more than a statement season, it is STILL VERY SPECIAL.

Also, take your hats off to the Offensive Line, because they two have a role in that as well.

Cheers to the New Front for the Offense. Three Cheers for the Honorable
Dirtbags!

:beer:

[DoGood]

I dont think most skins fans know. there where alot of get rid of portis rants and he isnt worth the money stuff in the last few weeks. I wish we would appreciate this guy more. he has shown nothing but Class and hardwork since arriving and even though he has struggled through Offensive woes and Scheme changes he has stayed a good soldier and has only been interested in making this team better and not about his numbers.

Thats stupid. The guy has 1000 yards by week 12. It is his 4th season with at least 1000 yards and the dude is 23! Come on.

Plus the guy is very durable. Especially since his 325 carries last year.

[RedskinsVision]

Even if they don't break it this year they'll be barking up the tree of that record for years to come.

[The Skinsinator]

Even if they don't break it this year they'll be barking up the tree of that record for years to come.I agree, they are both young and seriously talented. Portis is sure for many more big seasons and Santana will be even better with a strong #2 receiver. Gotta like these Miami boys.

[Meatsnack]

I voted that they both get the records. Santana can get 70 on a single play. All it takes is a couple of defensive miscues and double coverage or not, Mr. Moss has gotcha.

Clinton will likely get his if we can really commit to the run. If a team is dumb enough to stack safeties at the line rather than rotate one to double Santana, they deserve what they will get - burnt.

Cue up HTTR! Touchdown, Washington Redskins! Let's Go!

[DoGood]

I chose Portis to break the single season rushing record. That man is an animal and with 3 games left and the low down around Redskins Park that we are gonna pound the ball more (which I would love to see), meaning that Santana might get a few less touches, I seem Portis closing out strong. What we need is another receiver to go along with Moss and still run the ball so that when Moss does get the ball, he has the opportunity to really make it count.

[ryflan47]

Portis definitly

[CowboyKilla]

I hope they both achieve the records but I think the last three games will be Grind it out games. Lots of yardage will be tough to come by. I hope I'm completely off base and they shatter the records.

[Chief Seeway]

I voted they both set new records.

[helimech24]

I think both are very possible. Portis has been close to a hundred yards a game, and Brunell finds new ways to throw to Moss every game, no matter what the coverage is.

[Paintedbird]

I think they can actually both break the single season records. Portis is more of a certainty because the emphasis will be on the ground game. I like Moss's chances because he has the capability on any given play to break the big one. If he can grab five balls per game at his current average he will break the record.

As a sidenote Chris Cooley became the first TE to catch 50 balls since Jerry Smith in 1969. Cooley also has more yards and TD's than last years leading receiver Laverneus Coles, he also trails by just three receptions. Trading up for Chris Cooley was a fantastic move by the Front Office.

Also Mark Brunell is just 501 yards short of passing 30000 career yards and if he can manage 5 TD's he will register the highest single season total of his career.

Why in the world are we just 6 and 6?

[Axegrinder]

Both are reasonable numbers to achieve.
I think they'll both succeed because it's time to move the pigskin.

[vabeach_skinsfan]

I think Portis will be able to break the record. Without a legit #2 reciever, I'm not sure Moss will break the record, atleast not this year.

I have to renig on my quote, I think Moss is going to have atleast another 100 yard performance before the season ends. I think he'll break the record, but not by much.

[PA Skins Girl]

Portis will be in the Redskins record book, whether it's this year or not. It will more likely be for All-Time Redskin rushing yard record.

Here's a trivia question: Who is the youngest of these backs?

Clinton Portis, Julius Jones, Chris Brown, Tatum Bell, Willie Parker, Dominick Davis, DeShaun Foster, Larry Johnson, or Rudi Johnson?

Answer: Clinton Portis.

And he's only 3 months older than rookie Ronnie Brown.

The dude has a lot of great years ahead of him.

[ChiefPowhatan17]

I defineately think Moss will beat the record he only has 300 to go. And with Portis he should. He needs to get there to help us win.

[dj_stouty]

Here's a trivia question: Who is the youngest of these backs?

Clinton Portis, Julius Jones, Chris Brown, Tatum Bell, Willie Parker, Dominick Davis, DeShaun Foster, Larry Johnson, or Rudi Johnson?

Answer: Clinton Portis.

And he's only 3 months older than rookie Ronnie Brown.

The dude has a lot of great years ahead of him.

That is simply amazing....

[flave1969]

Currently only LaDanian Tomlinson has more yards in his first four seasons amongst current NFL stars. It is feasible that he could exceed LT's record if he finishes the season strongly. Were he to do so he would be third all time behind Eric Dickerson and Earl Campbell and he is just 24 years old. If he displays the same durability he has showed so far he will be in the Top Five all time at the age of just thirty. Clinton portis and LaDanian Tomlinson could well retire as the top two all time.

I hope Clinton sees out his contract, I hope he has ten productive seasons as a Redskin.

[dukeuch]

I don't think people around the league have any clue how many yards Portis has.

I agree. Except for a few games, they've been pretty quiet yards.

[redskin_rich]

The key for both of them is to have 1 huge game in these last 4. That would make the goal very achievable. Portis could have his big game this week and Santana will have his against the 'Girls....again. ;)

I voted yes for both.

[Redskin006]

i think that they will both make the record, although it may be only by a slim margin.

[BurgundyNGold]

I said Portis will set the rushing record because that is attainable. Since Moss doesn't have a complement on the other side, it is going to be super difficult to catch that single season mark. I also expect to see Portis' worklod increase as a result.

[BurgundyNGold]

There are only four games to go...and Clinton Portis and Santana Moss are in managable reach of two franchise single season records.

The Redskins' single season rushing record is held by Stephen Davis. In 2001, he ran for a club-high 1,432 yards. Portis currently has 1,079 yards and can beat the record by rushing for 88.5 yards per game over the next four games.

The Redskins' single season receiving record is held by Bobby Mitchell. In 1963, Bobby caught 69 balls for a club-high 1,436 receiving yards. Moss currently has 1,111 yards and needs 81.5 yards per game over next four games to beat the record.

Anyone think one or both of these guys can make the record books this year?
BTW folks, those of you who will be around to vote in the receiver poll during the "Best Ever" series after the season, please take note of Bobby Mitchell's accomplishment as you watch Santana Moss chasing Mitchell for the rest of the year. Not only has this record stood for 42 years, but Bobby Mitchell did this in a 14 game season. Incredible.

[vabeach_skinsfan]

The key for both of them is to have 1 huge game in these last 4. That would make the goal very achievable. Portis could have his big game this week and Santana will have his against the 'Girls....again. ;)

I voted yes for both.

Yeah I think if Portis can squeeze out another 150 yard performane just once, he should be able break that record with ease. As for Santana, all he has to do is average 80 yards for the next 4 games. I doubt that will happen, but I think he'll have a monster performance (130 yards) against Dallass...then the record will be there for the taken against the Iggles.

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

There are only four games to go...and Clinton Portis and Santana Moss are in managable reach of two franchise single season records.

The Redskins' single season rushing record is held by Stephen Davis. In 2001, he ran for a club-high 1,432 yards. Portis currently has 1,079 yards and can beat the record by rushing for 88.5 yards per game over the next four games.

The Redskins' single season receiving record is held by Bobby Mitchell. In 1963, Bobby caught 69 balls for a club-high 1,436 receiving yards. Moss currently has 1,111 yards and needs 81.5 yards per game over next four games to beat the record.

Anyone think one or both of these guys can make the record books this year?
See the sign :)

I think both will do it.... I specially hope Portis does it.

[skins74]

IMO they both have a good chance but you know how things can go. Both CP and Santana are nicked up now so we shall see.

[X-Factor13]

i think they both can do it. Looking at the defenses ahead i say that if both of them have big games against arizona and philly (which is not impossible by any means), it'll be OK to have average games with the gints and the boys. Of course i want them to come up big in all four games because we need them to, but to break the records i think 2 big games and they're in.

[LATrueRedskin]

I think Portis will have the rushing record, with our new emphasis on running the football. Of course, being the idiot that I am, I picked the Moss option by mistake. Portis has a very good chance. Either way, I suspect he'll eventually hold every Redskin rushing record there is.

[helimech24]

That is simply amazing....

I am with you, I am totally stunned that CP is that young of a back.

[GWBlitzST]

It's not hard to throw screens to Moss and let him run. I think he'll get it. Portis is in the bag barring any inj_______.

[vabeach_skinsfan]

Clinton Portis
1184 yards - 8 TDs
3rd best back in the NFC.
Three more games to run 248 more yards and he'll break the Redskins Team Record 1,432 yards

[dj_stouty]

Clinton Portis
1184 yards - 8 TDs
3rd best back in the NFC.
Three more games to run 248 more yards and he'll break the Redskins Team Record 1,432 yards

Thats only 83 yards per game. Very doable for Clinton...

Moss needs a lmiracle and a lot more yards to catch Bobby.

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

Clinton Portis
1184 yards - 8 TDs
3rd best back in the NFC.
Three more games to run 248 more yards and he'll break the Redskins Team Record 1,432 yards
Keep seeing the sign!!!

[Redskin4Life]

Thats only 83 yards per game. Very doable for Clinton...

Moss needs a lmiracle and a lot more yards to catch Bobby.
Santana Moss
1167 yards - 6 TDs
2nd best WR in the NFL
Three games to get 269 yards... not that impossible (90 yrds a game).

If Moss can get a TD every game for the rest of the season, he could get the record... assuming it's on a Terry-Glennlike-60-or-70-yard-pass-for-TD.

In all seriousness, if Moss has repeat performances yardage wise against all three of these teams (DAL, NYG, PHI) the first time around, he'll have the record:

@DAL - 159 yrds
@NYG - 34 yrds
PHI - 79 yrds
Total = 272 yrds

[Syllable]

Santana Moss
1167 yards - 6 TDs
2nd best WR in the NFL
Three games to get 269 yards... not that impossible (90 yrds a game).

If Moss can get a TD every game for the rest of the season, he could get the record... assuming it's on a Terry-Glennlike-60-or-70-yard-pass-for-TD.

In all seriousness, if Moss has repeat performances yardage wise against all three of these teams (DAL, NYG, PHI) the first time around, he'll have the record:

@DAL - 159 yrds
@NYG - 34 yrds
PHI - 79 yrds
Total = 272 yrds
This team hates their life now.

[Biggie]

159 yards is a lot to ask of a guy who's drawing triple coverage.

[skinsfan811]

Santana Moss
1167 yards - 6 TDs
2nd best WR in the NFL
Three games to get 269 yards... not that impossible (90 yrds a game).

If Moss can get a TD every game for the rest of the season, he could get the record... assuming it's on a Terry-Glennlike-60-or-70-yard-pass-for-TD.

In all seriousness, if Moss has repeat performances yardage wise against all three of these teams (DAL, NYG, PHI) the first time around, he'll have the record:

@DAL - 159 yrds
@NYG - 34 yrds
PHI - 79 yrds
Total = 272 yrds

Moss won't get 159 against the Cowgirls, but I do think it's doable for both players.

[Redskin4Life]

Moss won't get 159 against the Cowgirls, but I do think it's doable for both players.
Maybe not against the Boys... but what about the Giants or the Eagles??? Those D's are not anywhere as good now as the ones they acted like they were agaisnt us earlier this year... I think Moss will have a big receiving day against one of them.

[Syllable]

Doable doesnt seem to be a word.

Anyways I think Moss has a chance and he will probably whine to Gibbs to try to get him at least 90 a game. Which we can if we want to throw away our win out chance by forcing it. Portis will make his I have totall confidence in him and I really think hes not worried about the record hes worried about 1500.

[dj_stouty]

The official Update:

Portis needs 248 yards or 82.7 yards per game to break Stephen Davis' Record.

(FYI: He needs 117.3 yards per game to hit the 1,500 yard plateau from his first two seasons in Denver)

Moss needs 270 yards or 90 yards per game to break Bobby Mitchell's Record.

(FYI: The 5 NFC Pro Bowl Representatives at the WR position averaged 1,351 Yards and 12.6 TDs last year. Moss needs 61.3 yards per game to stay current with last year's group.)

[smoak]

Portis has really, really struggled against the NFC East. All I want right now is to beat dallass. Who cares about a single season record when we have dallass on deck.

[vbskins]

Doable doesnt seem to be a word.

Anyways I think Moss has a chance and he will probably whine to Gibbs to try to get him at least 90 a game. Which we can if we want to throw away our win out chance by forcing it. Portis will make his I have totall confidence in him and I really think hes not worried about the record hes worried about 1500.


WHAT REASON DO YOU HAVE TO THINK MOSS WILL WHINE TO GIBBS????

HE HAS BEEN A TOTAL TEAM PLAYER, AND ON MONDAY NIGHT LIVE LAST NIGHT HE TALKED ABOUT HOW HAPPY HE WAS TO HAVE SO MANY OPPORTUNITIES HERE. HE DOES NOT SEEM TO BE WORRIED ABOUT THE RECORD.

ALL SKINS FAN SHOULD BE GRATEFUL FOR THE SEASON HE HAS HAD. HE IS 90% OF THE REASON WE ARE A LITTLE BETTER ON OFFENSE

[dj_stouty]

Portis has really, really struggled against the NFC East. All I want right now is to beat dallass. Who cares about a single season record when we have dallass on deck.

I care. I think Portis has been getting a bad rap since the day he left the Broncos. He has a chance to be the all-time regular season rushing leader in Redskins history. PLUS, he has the chance to match the back-2-back 1,500 yard plateau that NO ONE thought he could do in Washington.

BTW - Fans rooting for a player to break an individual record takes nothing away from the upcoming game.

[dj_stouty]

WHAT REASON DO YOU HAVE TO THINK MOSS WILL WHINE TO GIBBS????

HE HAS BEEN A TOTAL TEAM PLAYER, AND ON MONDAY NIGHT LIVE LAST NIGHT HE TALKED ABOUT HOW HAPPY HE WAS TO HAVE SO MANY OPPORTUNITIES HERE. HE DOES NOT SEEM TO BE WORRIED ABOUT THE RECORD.

ALL SKINS FAN SHOULD BE GRATEFUL FOR THE SEASON HE HAS HAD. HE IS 90% OF THE REASON WE ARE A LITTLE BETTER ON OFFENSE

Watch the caps...

[vbskins]

MY COMPUTER ONLY WRITES IN CAPS

[dj_stouty]

MY COMPUTER ONLY WRITES IN CAPS

I'm sorry to hear that. Is your keyboard broken, or do you need to hit the "CAPS LOCK" button?

Writing in all CAPS is an eye sore.

[redskin_rich]

MY COMPUTER ONLY WRITES IN CAPS
Except when you typed in your username?

[smoak]

I care. I think Portis has been getting a bad rap since the day he left the Broncos. He has a chance to be the all-time regular season rushing leader in Redskins history. PLUS, he has the chance to match the back-2-back 1,500 yard plateau that NO ONE thought he could do in Washington.

BTW - Fans rooting for a player to break an individual record takes nothing away from the upcoming game.

Fair enough. For me, any time I am focusing on individual records is when the team is eliminated (e.g. 2001 when Davis broke the record the last game of the season). That is the only tim I root for individual performance/record, but I certainly don't begrudge anyone who does. Whatever it takes to get people to cheer would be awesome!

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

There are only four games to go...and Clinton Portis and Santana Moss are in managable reach of two franchise single season records.

The Redskins' single season rushing record is held by Stephen Davis. In 2001, he ran for a club-high 1,432 yards. Portis currently has 1,079 yards and can beat the record by rushing for 88.5 yards per game over the next four games.

The Redskins' single season receiving record is held by Bobby Mitchell. In 1963, Bobby caught 69 balls for a club-high 1,436 receiving yards. Moss currently has 1,111 yards and needs 81.5 yards per game over next four games to beat the record.

Anyone think one or both of these guys can make the record books this year?
if my math is right, as of now, portis is 136 yards (68 per game) away from the record with 1,296 yards. moss is 196 yards (98 per game) away with 1,240 yards. with 2 very, very important games on the schedule, i think both guys can make history......

[dj_stouty]

if my math is right, as of now, portis is 136 yards (68 per game) away from the record with 1,296 yards. moss is 196 yards (98 per game) away with 1,240 yards. with 2 very, very important games on the schedule, i think both guys can make history......

Your math is correct!

Portis should definitely get 136 over the next two games. In fact...he if gets 204 total rushing yards over the next two, he will break 1,500, which would be amazing!

Moss will have a harder time, Im afraid.

[vabeach_skinsfan]

Yeah I'm aiming for Portis to break that 1500 yard mark again. I think the next two weeks, the oposition is going to see a good dose of CP.

[smoak]

Give me a W over the records any day, but hopefully it gives the players added fuel... Not that they should need it. I think Portis will have a VERY tough time without Thomas.

[PA Skins Girl]

Add Chris Cooley to the watch list. He needs only 3 catches to pass Jerry Smith for the most catches by a TE in Skin's history.

[CNYSkinFan]

Give me a W over the records any day, but hopefully it gives the players added fuel... Not that they should need it. I think Portis will have a VERY tough time without Thomas.

Well Brown is a much better run blocker then he is a pass blocker, nowhere near as good as Thomas, but adequate. And he is a decent pass blocker when on the interior of the line and not matched up agaisnt speed rushing DE's.

I think Thomas was a huge blow but not as big as losing Samuels or Jansen just because we have NO ONE to replace those two monsters.

[CNYSkinFan]

Add Chris Cooley to the watch list. He needs only 3 catches to pass Jerry Smith for the most catches by a TE in Skin's history.

Wow that is amazing....almost automatic.

[Keino]

Add Chris Cooley to the watch list. He needs only 3 catches to pass Jerry Smith for the most catches by a TE in Skin's history.


This bears repeating........who's record again? Not Donny Warren's or Clint Didier's, but Jerry Smith's.

Sorry, I had a Greatest Ever Series flashback.......

[fent]

This bears repeating........who's record again? Not Donny Warren's or Clint Didier's, but Jerry Smith's.

Sorry, I had a Greatest Ever Series flashback.......

in a couple years you're going to have to change your vote if he keeps this up ;)

[CNYSkinFan]

This bears repeating........who's record again? Not Donny Warren's or Clint Didier's, but Jerry Smith's.

Sorry, I had a Greatest Ever Series flashback.......

Let it go Louie.....

[smoak]

This bears repeating........who's record again? Not Donny Warren's or Clint Didier's, but Jerry Smith's.

Sorry, I had a Greatest Ever Series flashback.......

So catches are all that matter from the TE spot? :D

[SpicyMcHaggis]

I think Thomas was a huge blow but not as big as losing Samuels or Jansen just because we have NO ONE to replace those two monsters.

Especially since we are going up against maybe the two best DE in the game right now...Strahan and Usiwhatshisname are really really dangerous..they put on a show in overtime against the Eagles that was pretty amazing...

[fent]

Especially since we are going up against maybe the two best DE in the game right now...Strahan and Usiwhatshisname are really really dangerous..they put on a show in overtime against the Eagles that was pretty amazing...

fortunately jansen and samuels will be primarily blocking these guys. kendrick allen, kendrick clancy, Damane Duckett, will joseph, and Fred Robbins don't scare too many people and that's who brown, dock, and rabach will be blocking.

edit: nevermind...i see that you were saying exactly what i was saying...long day at work.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Your math is correct!

Portis should definitely get 136 over the next two games. In fact...he if gets 204 total rushing yards over the next two, he will break 1,500, which would be amazing!

Moss will have a harder time, Im afraid.

I agree on both counts..Portis should make it..and that would be sweet since he hardly ever gets any credit for being one of the top backs in the NFL...I hope Moss makes it but it will be tough since the only guy taking pressure off of him right now is Cooley...all the other WRs right now are nowhere to be found...once again no catches for any of them yesterday..

[SpicyMcHaggis]

edit: nevermind...i see that you were saying exactly what i was saying...long day at work.

Hey no problem...yesterday was pretty emotional for everyone..I may still be a little drunk in fact...

[IowaSkinsFan]

Add Chris Cooley to the watch list. He needs only 3 catches to pass Jerry Smith for the most catches by a TE in Skin's history.

I think the issue of Cooley being an H back throws this into doubt in my mind. He is listed as a full back for Pro Bowl balloting from what I heard.

It would make for an intersting debate for hR members, debating whether Cooley's stats should be measured against former Redskin fullbacks or TE's.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

He is listed as a full back for Pro Bowl balloting from what I heard.

Yeah he is, which makes for high comedy because compared to the other FBs in the league he has pretty ridiculous stats..all the other guys have like 5 catches for 20 yards with 1 TD and Cooley has 60+ receptions for 700+ yards and 6 TDs...

[redskin_rich]

I think the issue of Cooley being an H back throws this into doubt in my mind. He is listed as a full back for Pro Bowl balloting from what I heard.

It would make for an intersting debate for hR members, debating whether Cooley's stats should be measured against former Redskin fullbacks or TE's.
Just because Cooley lines up off the LOS and in various places shouldn't matter. The bottom line is he fills the roll of a receiving TE in this system, just like Jerry Smith did. I think stipulating that Cooley is an H-back is nit-picking, especially since the actual TE in this system has very few receiving opportunities.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

Give me a W over the records any day, but hopefully it gives the players added fuel... Not that they should need it. I think Portis will have a VERY tough time without Thomas.
well, if he cant get 137 yards over the next two games we are probably going to lose.

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

well, if he cant get 137 yards over the next two games we are probably going to lose.
Agree... I hope the OL can gel in time for the next 2 games.... and the next 4 (or 3) after them :)

[FanFromArizona]

My vote is that they will both get the record next week, we will need to have a balanced attack to beat the Giants, I think we will be run-heavy, but will need to have some balance with the passing game, so I will think they will either get the record by the 4th quarter of the Giants game or the 1st quarter of the Eagles game. This all assumes we play our game and we are competitive throughout the game and are not forced to abandon our balanced attack.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

My vote is that they will both get the record next week, we will need to have a balanced attack to beat the Giants, I think we will be run-heavy, but will need to have some balance with the passing game, so I will think they will either get the record by the 4th quarter of the Giants game or the 1st quarter of the Eagles game. This all assumes we play our game and we are competitive throughout the game and are not forced to abandon our balanced attack.

Man if they both get the record by the 4th quarter next week, that means we will have DESTROYED the Giants!! You're talking about 150 yards from Portis and 200 from Moss..I can only image what it would be like in here in the game thread..people would be ordering their SB rings!!! That would be too cool to be true!! :Pickle: :Partyred:

[smoak]

well, if he cant get 137 yards over the next two games we are probably going to lose.

The next two games are going to be all out WAR. The gnats are trying to clinch, and I know the Iggles want to knock us out to avoid going 0 for the division.

Ray Brown simply can not do everything that Thomas does, but that doesn't mean he won't fight and give us everything he has! I just the team plays like they did Sunday!

[vabeach_skinsfan]

Portis will go over a hundred yards in both games, and will amass over 1500.
http://members.cox.net/wr9/portis2AVATAR.jpg

[Wild Bore]

BTW folks, those of you who will be around to vote in the receiver poll during the "Best Ever" series after the season, please take note of Bobby Mitchell's accomplishment as you watch Santana Moss chasing Mitchell for the rest of the year. Not only has this record stood for 42 years, but Bobby Mitchell did this in a 14 game season. Incredible.

That's a big bingo B&G. Mitchell had my vote last year and the year before. He will also get it next year. Bobby Mitchell was the best athlete to ever wear a Redskin uniform. Not only did he accomplish it in a 14 game season, but he didn't even have Sonny yet. He had Norm Snead throwing the ball for crying out loud! And Charlie Taylor wasn't yet on the other side to draw coverage. Instead, he had FRED DUGAN on the other side!

I remember the year.

[Wild Bore]

This bears repeating........who's record again? Not Donny Warren's or Clint Didier's, but Jerry Smith's.

Sorry, I had a Greatest Ever Series flashback.......

Oooooh! Don't get me going Keino!


BTW: PA Skins Girl means most catches in a single season. He is still about 300 or so shy of Jerry for a career. When he catches 50 or 60 a year for another six years, then we will be talking!

[Shawnb555]

Moss 1,400
Portis 1,404

think those all time records are done

[RedskinsVision]

Moss 1,400
Portis 1,404

think those all time records are done

All the sweeter if we beat Philly and advance to the playoffs.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

Moss 1,400
Portis 1,404

think those all time records are done
congrats to....

portis on a team record 8-100 yard games....
mark brunell on a career high 22 touchdown passes.
chris cooley on breaking jerry smith TE reception record with 5 catches today.

:beer:

hopefully ill be able to congratulate the whole team on a playoff berth next week......

[LuvSkins17]

I am really rooting for these guys. They are quietly doing what needs to be done and we are winning. It's good to see that we have gelled and we didn't miss a beat with Thomas gone.

Good Luck With The Records Guys!!!!!

[Beast56Redskin]

portis will bring it, moss will break it. These guys will have record setting days at philly next week. its just a shame it's not a home game. the place would have gone nuts for those records to be broken....

[FanFromArizona]

Moss 1,400
Portis 1,404

think those all time records are done

1436 and 1432 respectively, with 1 game left going against Philly? Good as gold they'll both get it.

they'll both get it in the first quarter, if we are doing good it will be on the first TD drive. Unfortunately the record will be obtained on the road, and no less in enemy territory.

[smoak]

I am sticking with my stance that I do not care about individual accomplishment. Just win baby!

[2Cooley]

I also didnt see it pointed out that against the giants portis broke the record for most 100 yard games in a single season in redskins history with 8 congrats to portis

[IHATEDALLAS'82'87'91]

I hope they both do it

[VTBob]

I hope they both do it - I don't see any way they'd be limited to 35 and 27 yards, respectively unless the Eagles go out there with some baseball bats in hand

[redwolf1218]

congrats to....

portis on a team record 8-100 yard games....
mark brunell on a career high 22 touchdown passes.
chris cooley on breaking jerry smith TE reception record with 5 catches today.

:beer:

hopefully ill be able to congratulate the whole team on a playoff berth next week......
http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=13982
The previous record was held by Rob Goode, who had seven 100-yard rushing games in 1951.

Portis is also on the verge of another record. With 1,404 rushing yards this season, he is just 29 yards from breaking Stephen Davis's 2001 single-season rushing mark of 1,432.

Portis gave the credit to his offensive line, especially on his 19-yard touchdown run in which he broke outside and out-ran the defenders to the goal line.

Cooley also has beaten Clint Didier's best year (6 TD's) as hback.

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

Keep sign the sign for Clinton!!

[SimplyZ]

hoooorrraaaay redskins

[IowaSkinsFan]

On a side note, I think it speaks volumes to Joe Gibbs' intellect that three individual team records will fall this season under his play calling.

Cooley breaking the TE record is one thing, but Moss and Portis being 4 yards apart after 15 games is absolutely amazing to me, with both having a chance to finish over 1500 yards. Usually, when either a RB or a WR has that many yards, you see a one dimensional team. To have both with that many yards show incredible balance.

[Syllable]

On a side note, I think it speaks volumes to Joe Gibbs' intellect that three individual team records will fall this season under his play calling.

Cooley breaking the TE record is one thing, but Moss and Portis being 4 yards apart after 15 games is absolutely amazing to me, with both having a chance to finish over 1500 yards. Usually, when either a RB or a WR has that many yards, you see a one dimensional team. To have both with that many yards show incredible balance.

Amen, That is what the difference is between us and say a team like the Cheifs. We have a Superstar Wr, TE, RB. But saying this we should be better than 10-6 in a season.

[swheeler]

Some would say incredible balance involves more than one WR. But I think we're getting it done pretty well.

[smoak]

Amen, That is what the difference is between us and say a team like the Cheifs. We have a Superstar Wr, TE, RB. But saying this we should be better than 10-6 in a season.

If you had said in August that the Skins would be 9-6 going into the last game with a chance at the division title against the eliminated Iggles, every single Redskin fan in the universe would have danced a jig. Gibbs is a genius not a moracle worker. It takes time to change a losing culture... the same losing culture that festered on this team for 11 seasons before the Return of the King.

Am I biased? Absolutely and for darn good reason.

[smoak]

Amen, That is what the difference is between us and say a team like the Cheifs. We have a Superstar Wr, TE, RB. But saying this we should be better than 10-6 in a season.

I would personally argue that Moss, Cooley, and even Portis are not superstars. Individually they are good, but collectively they are much, much better.

[Santheb]

I would personally argue that Moss, Cooley, and even Portis are not superstars. Individually they are good, but collectively they are much, much better.

Moss and Cooley, probably not.

Portis though, is a superstar. Just ask him!

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Moss and Cooley, probably not.

Portis though, is a superstar. Just ask him!

I agree with Portis and Cooley (who is one of the top 5 or 6 TE\H-backs in the league however IMO), but I really think that Moss is a beast...there's not many receivers out there that could have done what he's done for us this year...

[Santheb]

I think he's talking about national recognition as a superstar.

[smoak]

Moss and Cooley, probably not.

Portis though, is a superstar. Just ask him!

LMAO! I know Portis came in with a high stock value, but it certainly dropped last season. I think it is taken a ton of work to get him back where he is now. Just my observation...

Cooley is awesome! I wouldn't trade the guy for the world, but he has made a lot of mistakes and is overrated by Skins fans. That said, I do believe he'll be one of the greatest all time Redskins if he stays here. It takes time to perfect your craft.

[helimech24]

LMAO! I know Portis came in with a high stock value, but it certainly dropped last season. I think it is taken a ton of work to get him back where he is now. Just my observation...

Cooley is awesome! I wouldn't trade the guy for the world, but he has made a lot of mistakes and is overrated by Skins fans. That said, I do believe he'll be one of the greatest all time Redskins if he stays here. It takes time to perfect your craft.

I can't believe you said that. But you are probably right. What I do think he brings to the table is the ability to make big plays in clutch situations, or for that matter, any situation.

[Redskin4Life]

100 yards for Moss and 96 for Portis... it's still possible.

[IHATEDALLAS'82'87'91]

They both will set the records.

[redwolf1218]

Cooley is a super star only in this system as an hback. he's not comparable to traditional tightends, and he's not a fullback, but he is perfect for Gibbs as an hback, and the things he has accomplished in only 2 years are remarkable. he's also very durable (compared to guys like Steven Alexander and Jamie Asher), and both Portis and Moss have proven to be durable this year also. Portis especially has taken a beating and kept on playing.

[helimech24]

Cooley is a super star only in this system as an hback. he's not comparable to traditional tightends, and he's not a fullback, but he is perfect for Gibbs as an hback, and the things he has accomplished in only 2 years are remarkable. he's also very durable (compared to guys like Steven Alexander and Jamie Asher), and both Portis and Moss have proven to be durable this year also. Portis especially has taken a beating and kept on playing.

You forgot the great hands that he has compared to a lot of TEs/FBs. Look at the trouble Robert Royal has had. There are only a handfull of TEs/FBs that are as good.

[redwolf1218]

You forgot the great hands that he has compared to a lot of TEs/FBs. Look at the trouble Robert Royal has had. There are only a handfull of TEs/FBs that are as good.
i think people look at his speed, or lack-thereof, and think they can handle him with a linebacker or even a defensive end, and he will torch them if they do that. if they commit a safety or corner to him, Moss will kill them.

[helimech24]

i think people look at his speed, or lack-thereof, and think they can handle him with a linebacker or even a defensive end, and he will torch them if they do that. if they commit a safety or corner to him, Moss will kill them.

He is faster than he looks. He isn't going to win a track record or anything, but he is a pretty fast for the position that he plays.

[smoak]

You forgot the great hands that he has compared to a lot of TEs/FBs. Look at the trouble Robert Royal has had. There are only a handfull of TEs/FBs that are as good.

Actually since his bad game, Royal has had a key catch in each game. He is not as bad as that two game indicated.

But I agree with your point that Cooley has great hands (even though he has also had a couple shaky games).

[redwolf1218]

He is faster than he looks. He isn't going to win a track record or anything, but he is a pretty fast for the position that he plays.
he runs good routes, has great hands, and he can run over some people.

[helimech24]

he runs good routes, has great hands, and he can run over some people.


I love when he runs over the little CBs. It is so funny to see.

[RedskinRyan]

well with the regular season about over, and each player needing around 30 yards, i say both will break the records somehow.....

the record i want to see though is 10-6(by both the skins and the giants)

[dj_stouty]

Moss needs 37 yards and Portis needs 29 yards. VERY doable...

Sidenote: Portis is only 96 yards away from hitting the 1,500 yard plateau.

Go Skins~!

[IowaSkinsFan]

Somewhat offtopic, Mark Brunell needs 91 yards for 3000. Let's hope he gets that as well. It's probably been 6 years since a Redskin QB got 3000 yards.

[bgforever]

Moss needs 37 yards and Portis needs 29 yards. VERY doable...

Sidenote: Portis is only 96 yards away from hitting the 1,500 yard plateau.

Go Skins~!

Moss is to the Skins, what the Great Art Monk and Gary Clark were. I am going to get that popcorn and just watch how it goes for him (Moss) and Portis.

Both are the type of players, both Bobby Mitchell and Stephen Davis can appreciate! Also Portis would be in some BIG name company as well, but its going to be fun watching him approach his best ever levels! He's still growing in his position.

[Axegrinder]

I think we should try for the homerun to Moss on our 1st play.
Stretch the D and then pound with Portis.

[bgforever]

Somewhat offtopic, Mark Brunell needs 91 yards for 3000. Let's hope he gets that as well. It's probably been 6 years since a Redskin QB got 3000 yards.

Yep, another record is being approached, because all of sudden Mark's moving up the line of succession for total yards and tds, all time list, and those names are loaded with Hall of Famers!

I believe the Skins would also approach best of streak record somewhere in season turnarounds in NFL history, with a win, as well. Of note is the outstanding conference record has some mention in there as well.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Moss needs 37 yards and Portis needs 29 yards. VERY doable...

Sidenote: Portis is only 96 yards away from hitting the 1,500 yard plateau.

Go Skins~!

dj, do you know how many yards Portis would need today for a new career high?

[dj_stouty]

dj, do you know how many yards Portis would need today for a new career high?

187

Possible...but tough to get...

[helimech24]

I think we should try for the homerun to Moss on our 1st play.
Stretch the D and then pound with Portis.

Sounds like the perfect plan to me. A Play-action streak down the sideline.

[IowaSkinsFan]

187

Possible...but tough to get...

Agreed, unless he breaks of a real long one real early.

If this game is in hand by halftime, I wouldn't expect to see to much of Brunell and Portis after the half. I guess it's possible that Portis won't get 1500 under that same scenario, depending on whether the passing game or the running game get the points early.

[helimech24]

Agreed, unless he breaks of a real long one real early.

If this game is in hand by halftime, I wouldn't expect to see to much of Brunell and Portis after the half. I guess it's possible that Portis won't get 1500 under that same scenario, depending on whether the passing game or the running game get the points early.

As much as I would like for Portis to get 1500, I would like to see the Rock get in the game too. When called upon, he has been very explosive. But I hope that Gibbs sat Portis down and told him what situation he would pull him in, so we don't have an Shawn Alexander/Holmgren incident.

[dj_stouty]

congrats, Portis!

[dj_stouty]

Congrats, Moss!

[IowaSkinsFan]

What an accomplishment by both.....two huge team records in one season.

[GolfFreak]

Congrats to both Moss and Portis -- well deserved!

[SimplyZ]

ooooh what a glorious season!

congrats to both of those guys, they didn't do it the cheap way either...twice i was holding my breath over portis' short-injuries...the man has toughness :)

and moss CONTINUES to show up even tho his name is one of the best known on our team (heck, he's half our pro bowl squad)

[Axegrinder]

Both are quality Redskins!!!:)

[bgforever]

ooooh what a glorious season!

congrats to both of those guys, they didn't do it the cheap way either...twice i was holding my breath over portis' short-injuries...the man has toughness :)

and moss CONTINUES to show up even tho his name is one of the best known on our team (heck, he's half our pro bowl squad)

Persona' BONAFIDE!

[CornerBlitz]

Congratulations Moss and Portis! well deserved stay healthy and lets keep up what has made the redskins great this year

[RedskinsVision]

How much sweeter it is to break the records and breaking into the playoffs. Beautiful.

[lakeskin]

Awesome. Whats even more impressive and important is that they were winning statistics. Unlike say for instance Arizona who had two recievers with over a 100 catches and a whopping 5 wins.

[ryflan47]

Congradulations to our braves on the warpath!

[FanFromArizona]

What are the status on the following three:

1. Clinton Portis: Did he eclipse 1500? I know he broke the Redskin record, and I know he has eclipsed 1300 yards in his last 4 seasons, but did he finish with 1500 this year?

2. Santana Moss: Did he finish with the record?

3. Mark Brunell: Did he eclipse the 3000 yard mark?


Congratulations guys!

[skinsfaninCT]

Congrats to the both of them.And may they have many more years like this one as Washington Redskins..

[dj_stouty]

What are the status on the following three:

1. Clinton Portis: Did he eclipse 1500? I know he broke the Redskin record, and I know he has eclipsed 1300 yards in his last 4 seasons, but did he finish with 1500 this year?

2. Santana Moss: Did he finish with the record?

3. Mark Brunell: Did he eclipse the 3000 yard mark?


Congratulations guys!

1. Yes. Portis offically passed the "Denver 1,500" plateau. Denver fans told us it would never happen...

2. Yes. He passed it by over 40 yards.

3. Yes. He passed it by 50 or so yards.

Congrats to all three!

[dj_stouty]

By the way...Brunell's TD pass to Sellers was has 23rd on the season, the best of his multi-pro bowl career!

[IowaSkinsFan]

Congrats to Brunell on a fine season.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

congrats to brunell, cooley, portis and moss on fantastic seasons....:beer:

[CowboyKilla]

This is a great day to be a Redskins!!!!!!! Congrats to all our Ballers.

[vabeach_skinsfan]

Congrats to Santana and Portis for both breaking club records and carrying us into the palyoffs. And biggups to Mark for setting a career best with 22 TD passes. You guys are awsome, and can't wait to see you beat the piss out fo Tampon Bay.

[smoak]

1. Yes. Portis offically passed the "Denver 1,500" plateau. Denver fans told us it would never happen...

2. Yes. He passed it by over 40 yards.

3. Yes. He passed it by 50 or so yards.

Congrats to all three!

Absolutely wonderful! I'd also like to throw out a big thank you to the o-line and Coaches Gibbs and Bugel who apparently do know how to run an offense!

[flave1969]

I am so happy for Brunell, Moss and Portis. All of them had things to prove to the doubters and they did it well. Special mention to Portis who showed us inthe last five games that when the running game clicked, it would carry this team.