Williams Future

[PennSkinsFan]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/19/AR2005121901784.html

I think some of you idealists better face the fact that retaining GW is not likely. I know many fo you think GW wants to stay here, GW wants to rtake over for Gibbs, but the problem is this, Gibbs isn't leaving yet, and GW has the fire to head coach again. This article convinced me that GW is heading elsewhere.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

mark, you are just the bearer of bad news tonight aren't you? :D

"If you don't know the second 'g' in Gregg's name stands for genius, just ask him. He'll tell you."
lol. he is cocky, but for good reason. i would be highly upset if he left and im not prepared for him to leave, so hopefully he won't.

[Chief Seeway]

I think he would be making a mistake by leaving. Fact is, NFL coaches, coordinators, and assistants are not immune to being promoted beyond their abilities. Just because a coordinator/position coach has success doesn't mean he will be a productive head coach. Turner, Billick, Rhodes, and Wannstedt come to mind first.

Williams is making a ton of money, he works with a legend, and his team is just beginning an upswing. He's got a good thing going here, he should ride it out and then evaluate what's in the future.

[VTBob]

if he leaves, hes an idiot. I agree with seeway's points.

[FanFromArizona]

They talked about this during the game yesterday and they stated that Greg and family are happy in the DC area and his children enjoy the schools in the DC area. There has to be a "quality of life" issue, but I do see other quality of life issues present should he want to move back to the midwest.

The KC job would be an interesting one to take. They already have a high-potent offense and he could take the KC defense and turn it around like he has done here.

Is it me or have we had many good defensive coordinators here [Marvin Lewis/Greg Lewis] that left us to become head coaches elsewhere? I am hoping that the comfort level Greg has here in DC will keep him here and just wait for Joe to retire. He has a good unit here, I would love to see them both march into Glendale,AZ to claim the ring.

[BurgundyNGold]

I think he would be making a mistake by leaving. Fact is, NFL coaches, coordinators, and assistants are not immune to being promoted beyond their abilities. Just because a coordinator/position coach has success doesn't mean he will be a productive head coach. Turner, Billick, Rhodes, and Wannstedt come to mind first.

Williams is making a ton of money, he works with a legend, and his team is just beginning an upswing. He's got a good thing going here, he should ride it out and then evaluate what's in the future.
Good points, but GW is different. I hoe he stays.

BTW, I really dig the festive avatar. But shouldn't it be "Season's Beatings"? :D

[redskifreak]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/19/AR2005121901784.html

I think some of you idealists better face the fact that retaining GW is not likely. I know many fo you think GW wants to stay here, GW wants to rtake over for Gibbs, but the problem is this, Gibbs isn't leaving yet, and GW has the fire to head coach again. This article convinced me that GW is heading elsewhere.

It makes no sense -- logically, financially, career-wise. But for what it's worth, Williams should stay. He and Gibbs should make a bona fide Super Bowl run together in the next two years before they part ways. The millions will always be there. Besides, it's a better ending than 8-8 in Houston

well i agree with the last paragraph here..... the coaching jobs will always be there and the skins job is his period! Whats the hurry!
allthough if he gets a KC job ... wow with a defense there they would be unbeatable!

[BurgundyNGold]

Oh, wait a minute... this article was written by Mike Wise! The last Redskins article he wrote was about the wheels coming off the wagon the same week as duck butt Sally Jenkins mailed in her last Redskin bashing from Manhattan. And what did he have to spread around then? Negative ions, of course.

And the article before that? He was endeavoring to draw attention away from himself making an insensitive remark about West Virginians by bashing the Redskins name as being racist.

Clinically speaking, this guy is an @ssclown. Or and @sshat. One of the two, but in any case in NO way should what this knucklehead, aggitating coward has to say should be taken with anything more than a grain of salt.

MHBIH.

[Ibleedburgundy]

I thought teams woulda cooled off on Williams since the defense is not quite as dominating as last year. 5 teams have contacted him. That's not good. Hopefully, Williams can see the genius in Gibbs (and not just himself) and he willl recognize the benefits of staying. I don't know how old GW is but I bet he is young enough to have plenty of time for a head coaching job.....3.5 years from now.

[helimech24]

I think he would be making a mistake by leaving. Fact is, NFL coaches, coordinators, and assistants are not immune to being promoted beyond their abilities. Just because a coordinator/position coach has success doesn't mean he will be a productive head coach. Turner, Billick, Rhodes, and Wannstedt come to mind first.

Williams is making a ton of money, he works with a legend, and his team is just beginning an upswing. He's got a good thing going here, he should ride it out and then evaluate what's in the future.

He won a superbowl, can't get more successful than that. His biggest mistake came when he got rid of Trent Dilfer. But you can't say he didn't have success.

[helimech24]

I can admit that he will have to make a huge decision. Does he stay and see the Redskins succeed in winning a SB or go and try to take another team to the SB. It will matter in millions, and how patient he wants to be. No one can really say what will happen because as of right now, he is a god in DC. Even Marvin Lewis didn't have that.

BTW, he is on a winning team, whereas Marvin saw the downward spiral.

[Chief Seeway]

He won a superbowl, can't get more successful than that. His biggest mistake came when he got rid of Trent Dilfer. But you can't say he didn't have success.

So did Barry Switzer...

[Ibleedburgundy]

He won a superbowl, can't get more successful than that. His biggest mistake came when he got rid of Trent Dilfer. But you can't say he didn't have success.


He rode Marvin Lewis's defense all the way to the top while not scoring a TD for an entire month and his offense stinks every single year. Billick is nothing without Marvin Lewis.

[44Riggo]

Another concern besides losing Blatche and Lindsay with him is raiding players when their contracts are up...you know how he loves Sean Taylor, and it may force us to overpay. If he does leave, don't be surprised if Russ Grimm becomes the HC @ Washington if he doesn't have a head job by then.

[helimech24]

He rode Marvin Lewis's defense all the way to the top while not scoring a TD for an entire month and his offense stinks every single year. Billick is nothing without Marvin Lewis.

Does that really matter? Lovie Smith might take the Bears to the SB. If he did that, does it mean he was successful or not. And I remember Shannon Sharp being pretty good too, so was Jamal Lewis. You make the most with what you got. I guess Lovie is just riding Ron Rivara.

[MWballer]

I think we should say WE WANT WILLIAMS at the end of the game this week just to make sure he knows we love him being here and appreciate him.

[BurgundyNGold]

I don't think Wise knows what he's talking about. The guy is the tabloid equivalent of a magician. Except that's not a rabbit he's pulling out of his hat. And that ain't no hat he's pulling stuff out of either.

I mean, just LOOK at this guy. Look at him.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2005/03/26/PH2005032604425.gif

Doesn't he just look like an aggitator? With that smug look of his. I'd like to smack that look right off of his face.

Anonymous sources who "cover the team". What does that mean? Simply put, it means that another journalist told him this. So, basically, his buddy told him this. And we're supposed to take this as gospel? I'v heard rumors about Tom Cruise that were more substantiated than what Wise is peddling. I can't believe they pay this clown for writing this crap.

I really don't like that man.

[silverspring]

could snyder offer williams a contract for the head coach position pending gibbs contract ending? Getting something like that in writing might give him some sure incentive to stay. You know snyder will match pay with any offer he gets, so it is just a matter of how much he really wants to run his own show and how soon he needs to do that.

[bgforever]

I think he would be making a mistake by leaving. Fact is, NFL coaches, coordinators, and assistants are not immune to being promoted beyond their abilities. Just because a coordinator/position coach has success doesn't mean he will be a productive head coach. Turner, Billick, Rhodes, and Wannstedt come to mind first.

Williams is making a ton of money, he works with a legend, and his team is just beginning an upswing. He's got a good thing going here, he should ride it out and then evaluate what's in the future.

As others stated, great points. Another is his age. He is YOUNG and as long as he has patience, he will be dominant as a Head Coach, because he will be able to handle decisive strategies with better winning percentages, than his first outing. Of course he could pursue an arrangement like the one he's in or what Dungy and Mora do in Indy.

Difference is, if he took a KC or Baltimore job, he'd need to pick an OC that can produce with consistency. Vermiel's the master mind in KC for the offense, so WHERE and WHO does Williams get to match that intensity when Vermiel leaves, in order for him to take that HC spot in KC? Answer, no where.
Unless Dennis Green is let go from Arizona and he takes the KC job if Vermeil leaves. I don't think he'd want that arrangement. Baltimore has no OC that is to GW's liking I am sure of it. The answer to this SPECULATION, wishful thinking ,from the hypers, outside the Skins organization; is play the who's leaving their team with yet another coach??? GW is staying in the DC area.

[sdredskinsfan]

They talked about this during the game yesterday and they stated that Greg and family are happy in the DC area and his children enjoy the schools in the DC area. There has to be a "quality of life" issue, but I do see other quality of life issues present should he want to move back to the midwest.

The KC job would be an interesting one to take. They already have a high-potent offense and he could take the KC defense and turn it around like he has done here.

Is it me or have we had many good defensive coordinators here [Marvin Lewis/Greg Lewis] that left us to become head coaches elsewhere? I am hoping that the comfort level Greg has here in DC will keep him here and just wait for Joe to retire. He has a good unit here, I would love to see them both march into Glendale,AZ to claim the ring.

The only quality def. coordinator who has left is Marvin Lewis. Never have heard of Greg Lewis.

[FanFromArizona]

The only quality def. coordinator who has left is Marvin Lewis. Never have heard of Greg Lewis.

:lol1: Did I type too fast? I meant Greg Williams.

[whitskins]

This article didn't convince me of anything, the quotes from GW are the same we've heard since last year, yes he wants to be a head coach again, but it has to be the right situation.

If the guy leaves then it'll be a shame, but he won't raid the pantry like Wise wants us to believe. Greg Blanche won't be allowed to leave and why would he want to? So he can be GW's coordinator and start from scratch on a garbage defense like St Louis or KC's, or take the same job but get paid twice as much to take over an obvious top 10 unit that he has been coaching for the past two years.

And the players aren't going anywhere either. Ryan Clark is the only UFA of our defensive starters. Griffin, Marshall, Washington, Springs, Rogers, Taylor, and others are all locked up long term. And when Taylor does become a free agent we'll make him one of the highest paid safeties in football and he'll be riding around on his ATVs with Drew Rosenhaus counting their Dead Presidents in Ashburn for years.

I love GW, but if he wants to start from ground zero somewhere else because he has to scratch his head coaching itch right now, then good luck and God speed. If you don't want to commit to making a legitimate Super Bowl run with Joe Gibbs while pulling down a 1.5 million dollar salary then I wish you well, Gregg. But this defense is going to be just fine, because we have great players and Blanche will fill in and exhibit more dominance.

If GW has to go coach somewhere else then he can try rebuilding the hapless Rams with Ryan Fitzgerald at the helm, or the Chiefs where he can prescribe something to cure their allergic reaction to tackling, or he can go to Houston and win three games a year. The other option is he can stay here and follow through on a chance to accomplish something great and become the next legendary coach in DC.

The choice is his, but to be honest as long as we have Joe Gibbs, I'm not worried either way.

[nicefellow31]

I think he would be making a mistake by leaving. Fact is, NFL coaches, coordinators, and assistants are not immune to being promoted beyond their abilities. Just because a coordinator/position coach has success doesn't mean he will be a productive head coach. Turner, Billick, Rhodes, and Wannstedt come to mind first.

Williams is making a ton of money, he works with a legend, and his team is just beginning an upswing. He's got a good thing going here, he should ride it out and then evaluate what's in the future.


What you say is true, but I believe most coaches are coaching with the thought of eventually becoming head coaches. Factor in that he was fired as the Buffalo coach and wants another opportunity to prove himself.

[Spence]

I thought teams woulda cooled off on Williams since the defense is not quite as dominating as last year.Williams' defense is BETTER this year than last. One of the things people didn't talk about so much in 2004 is the number of offensive patsies the team played. Williams built a good defense on the ruins of a terrible 2003 season, but he didn't face the toughest competition last year. This year the Redskins have faced much tougher offensive competition and the defense has thrived. Williams is doing a better job this year and I think pro personnel people have noticed.

I'd be shocked if Williams is still around in 2006.

[vabeach_skinsfan]

Williams' defense is BETTER this year than last. One of the things people didn't talk about so much in 2004 is the number of offensive patsies the team played. Williams built a good defense on the ruins of a terrible 2003 season, but he didn't face the toughest competition last year. This year the Redskins have faced much tougher offensive competition and the defense has thrived. Williams is doing a better job this year and I think pro personnel people have noticed.

I'd be shocked if Williams is still around in 2006.

I rememeber the commentators saying that GW loves being here in DC, and that he and his family have somewhat established themselves. His kids are still in school, and that he hasn't given much thought of leaving anytime soon. After his woeful stint in Buffalo, he wasn't so sure about pursuing a HC job so soon. But who's to say that some GM out there won't throw him a nice amount of $ to pursuade him to leave.

[hail2skins]

The article doesn't convince me he's leaving but I know there's a chance he will. Why are people contacting him during the season? Tampering folks, if he has been contacted.

If we make the playoffs this year, I believe he'll stay for next year to make that run with Gibbs. I don't see him abandoning Gibbs but I also know Gibbs won't block him either. Blache IMO would become the DC. He's young and I believe he should give us 2 more seasons to make a run. I know that's alot to ask for but I think it's a good idea. Like he said, he doesn't think he'll get worse in 6 years or 3 years.

[Spence]

Why are people contacting him during the season? Tampering folks, if he has been contacted.That's a good point. If the Redskins can find out who is responsible for contacting Gregg, they should report it to the league. It is not only tampering, it smacks of trying to sabotage the Redskins by distracting their coaching staff and defensive players. I know Williams might not be thrilled if the Redskins went after his suitors, but they should do it anyway, if possible, on principle.

[oldskinfan]

GW is in the enviable position of being able to call his shots. He is paid like a head coach now, so it would take

1) the right team (maybe KC or St. Louis)
2) a lot of money
3) some amount of control
4) the right ownership

If he doesn't get this, I think he would just as soon stay here until his kids finish school or until Gibbs is done. He is a young guy and will have plenty of opportunities.

One wild card: if Billick goes in Baltimore (still a big IF), Williams could go to a team loaded for bear on defense, his family could still stay in Washington and he would work 45 minutes north of DC in B-town.

[dj_stouty]

I mentioned this in another thread on this topic...

Gregg Williams was not a good HC in Buffalo. He didn't have a winning season in the three years he was there. Plus...when going to the Bills in '01, he adopted a top 3 defense, only to turn them into the 21st ranked defense the following year. It wasn't until his third and final year that he got them back to top 3. Makes you wonder if the workload and pressure of being a HC took away from his ability to manage the defense.

BTW - In Tennessee, as the DC he had a top 10 defense only ONCE in four years.

He is on track to have back to back top-10 seasons in Washington. Looking back on his career, that is probably his best accomplishment. Knowing that Gibbs has started turning this franchise in the right direction, and the he can be a BIG part of it, I think it would take a HUGE payday or the absolute best open position to make him leave the Redskins. He is already making HC money...so I believe he would only leave for the right opportunity.

I don't agree with guys like Joe Buck who say it is a foregone conclusion that GW is elsewhere next year.

[Ibleedburgundy]

Williams' defense is BETTER this year than last. One of the things people didn't talk about so much in 2004 is the number of offensive patsies the team played. Williams built a good defense on the ruins of a terrible 2003 season, but he didn't face the toughest competition last year. This year the Redskins have faced much tougher offensive competition and the defense has thrived. Williams is doing a better job this year and I think pro personnel people have noticed.

I'd be shocked if Williams is still around in 2006.




You make a good point. I was looking purely at the fact that this defense has gone from the #3 defense to the #7 defense (before dallass we were ranked #9 I think). We have had a much higher level of competition in 2005 largely due to the fact that we played the AFC West instead of the AFC East. However, this defense didn't give up nearly as many big running plays last year but I don't think that is Williams's fault. Losing Pierce really did hurt.

[smoak]

I love Gregg Williams, but if he leaves, he will be replaced. It is that simple for me. Gibbs will find the right man for the job and maybe that man is already on the staff, but maybe he isn't.

Not worried one bit.

[smoak]

That's a good point. If the Redskins can find out who is responsible for contacting Gregg, they should report it to the league. It is not only tampering, it smacks of trying to sabotage the Redskins by distracting their coaching staff and defensive players. I know Williams might not be thrilled if the Redskins went after his suitors, but they should do it anyway, if possible, on principle.

Wouldn't they be allowed to have preliminary discussion with Williams' agent if the job was a promotion?

If Williams leaves, then I wish him the best unless his interests conflict with ours (sam as Marvin). Gibbs will get that fourth Super Bowl and we'll hire Grimm.

[BurgundyNGold]

I mentioned this in another thread on this topic...

Gregg Williams was not a good HC in Buffalo. He didn't have a winning season in the three years he was there. Plus...when going to the Bills in '01, he adopted a top 3 defense, only to turn them into the 21st ranked defense the following year. It wasn't until his third and final year that he got them back to top 3. Makes you wonder if the workload and pressure of being a HC took away from his ability to manage the defense.

BTW - In Tennessee, as the DC he had a top 10 defense only ONCE in four years.

He is on track to have back to back top-10 seasons in Washington. Looking back on his career, that is probably his best accomplishment. Knowing that Gibbs has started turning this franchise in the right direction, and the he can be a BIG part of it, I think it would take a HUGE payday or the absolute best open position to make him leave the Redskins. He is already making HC money...so I believe he would only leave for the right opportunity.

I don't agree with guys like Joe Buck who say it is a foregone conclusion that GW is elsewhere next year.
Good points. Plus, I doubt he'd uproot his family for an opportunity that wasn't a perfect fit.

[Dept_of_Defense]

Good points. Plus, I doubt he'd uproot his family for an opportunity that wasn't a perfect fit.
Exactly, but I'm still a little worried. If Dick Vermeil leaves KC, and they offer him a HC job, it's going to be really hard to turn that down considering he's from that area. Another thing that worries me is that a lot of our defensive stars have really bought into GW's schemes. If he leaves, do you think any players might want out too?

[BurgundyNGold]

Exactly, but I'm still a little worried. If Dick Vermeil leaves KC, and they offer him a HC job, it's going to be really hard to turn that down considering he's from that area. Another thing that worries me is that a lot of our defensive stars have really bought into GW's schemes. If he leaves, do you think any players might want out too?
Actually, I would think it might be easy to turn that down:

1) KC has an aging QB who has 1 or 2 years left tops with no heir apparent
2) KC has an aging OL as well
3) Their D is attrocious; there just isn't much skill there, although it has gotten better lately

So, KC will likely need a complete rebuild after Vermeil leaves. Does GW want to do that? I wouldn't.

[Dept_of_Defense]

Actually, I would think it might be easy to turn that down:

1) KC has an aging QB who has 1 or 2 years left tops with no heir apparent
2) KC has an aging OL as well
3) Their D is attrocious; there just isn't much skill there, although it has gotten better lately

So, KC will likely need a complete rebuild after Vermeil leaves. Does GW want to do that? I wouldn't.
I am really praying that you are right on this one.

[TertiaryView]

I think that the NFL is full of examples of people who were excellent at one thing, either defense or offense, and then when the time came to be the HC they were less than expected. It will go a great long way for GW to stay here and learn all he can learn from the work ethic and approach of Coach before he takes on as a HC again. In fact if I were him I would stay until we get a ring, then decide what is the best option available.

[smoak]

Why are people worried if he leaves? I only want the players and coaches who want to be here. Period.

Would you want a significant other who was always eyeing the next best thing? If you he wants to go, I bid him farewell and say, "Don't let the dorr hit ya where the good Lord split ya".

The Redskins are bigger than any one man. For me, the only possible exception is Joe Gibbs, but that is because I grew up with Joe and for me, he definies what it means to be a Redskin.

[BurgundyNGold]

Why are people worried if he leaves? I only want the players and coaches who want to be here. Period.

Would you want a significant other who was always eyeing the next best thing? If you he wants to go, I bid him farewell and say, "Don't let the dorr hit ya where the good Lord split ya".

The Redskins are bigger than any one man. For me, the only possible exception is Joe Gibbs, but that is because I grew up with Joe and for me, he definies what it means to be a Redskin.
Because GW is a known commodity. By all accounts, Greg Blache is a an excellent defensive coach in his own right, but to many of us he is an unknown commodity as a DC. It is perfectly natural for folks -- including myself -- to shudder at the thought of losing a known commodity who has given us a top notch defense for an unknown commodity. Plus, if he goes, a whole lot of his fellow coaches may go with him. That could be devastating.

On a separate note, has anybody thought about what happens when Gibbs steps down? I'm pretty sure that Buges, Breaux, Burns, et al will leave too. That puts us back into a 1993 scenario all over again. I really, REALLY hope there is a couple of year transition for the offense as part of Gibbs' master plan.

[redskin_rich]

GW will be here for at least one more year, IMO. The coordinator's in New England had to win 3 Super Bowl's before they got head coaching job's. And GW is a bit of a retread, having been a failed HC once already. I'm sure he will have offer's but I think he will wait another year, to reap some of the success he has helped to build here.

[dj_stouty]

On a separate note, has anybody thought about what happens when Gibbs steps down? I'm pretty sure that Buges, Breaux, Burns, et al will leave too. That puts us back into a 1993 scenario all over again. I really, REALLY hope there is a couple of year transition for the offense as part of Gibbs' master plan.

I think a succession plan is already in place...starting with the hiring of Musgrave this past offseason. I could see him becoming the next Asst. Head Coach/Offense when Gibbs retires...

[BurgundyNGold]

I think a succession plan is already in place...starting with the hiring of Musgrave this past offseason. I could see him becoming the next Asst. Head Coach/Offense when Gibbs retires...
1 down, 5+ to go. :D

[Born a Redskin]

G W could leave but IF we keep winning and make the playoff's than team's would have to wait to talk to him and would give G W a chance to think he going to do I belive that this is his team when Gibbs leave and if that the case that means he will have a team he help shape os i say he stay's

[The Skinsinator]

He already tried being a nfl head coach and was unsuccessful. I'm not suggesting he couldn't go on to have a good career coaching career as a head coach, but I think after this season is too early. He has too much of a good thing here and is learning from the king. He would be wise to stay here and take over for Gibbs upon his depature.

[smoak]

GW will be here for at least one more year, IMO. The coordinator's in New England had to win 3 Super Bowl's before they got head coaching job's. And GW is a bit of a retread, having been a failed HC once already. I'm sure he will have offer's but I think he will wait another year, to reap some of the success he has helped to build here.

I agree, but the difference is that he created THREE dominate defenses with three different teams. For some teams (cough Lions cough) hiring GW would be almost the best thing they could do.

[smoak]

Because GW is a known commodity. By all accounts, Greg Blache is a an excellent defensive coach in his own right, but to many of us he is an unknown commodity as a DC. It is perfectly natural for folks -- including myself -- to shudder at the thought of losing a known commodity who has given us a top notch defense for an unknown commodity. Plus, if he goes, a whole lot of his fellow coaches may go with him. That could be devastating.

On a separate note, has anybody thought about what happens when Gibbs steps down? I'm pretty sure that Buges, Breaux, Burns, et al will leave too. That puts us back into a 1993 scenario all over again. I really, REALLY hope there is a couple of year transition for the offense as part of Gibbs' master plan.

Fair enough, but I still only want him here if he is 100% focused and commited to being a Redskin.

1993 was different b/c the cupboard was bare in terms of players. No worries. Gibbs isn't leaving alltogether... Just as a headcoach.

[dj_stouty]

Fair enough, but I still only want him here if he is 100% focused and commited to being a Redskin.


What would make you think he didn't want to be here 100%?

If he leaves...he leaves. But if not, we have to assume he is commited to the team 100%.

[danny's stogie]

That's a good point. If the Redskins can find out who is responsible for contacting Gregg, they should report it to the league. It is not only tampering, it smacks of trying to sabotage the Redskins by distracting their coaching staff and defensive players. I know Williams might not be thrilled if the Redskins went after his suitors, but they should do it anyway, if possible, on principle.

Furthermore, while other teams can steal your assistants if they plan on offering them a greater position than the one they currently hold, isn't GW's official position something like "associate head coach of defensive personel" or some other ridiculous, non-official head coaching title? If GW does in fact share the title of head coach with Gibbs then wouldn't contacting GW while he's still employed by the Redskins be considered against the rules of the game?

As for my opinions on the issue: if GW leaves the Skins will survive. With Joe Gibb's pedigree and Danny's deep pockets the Skins have the pick of the litter for assistant jobs. If they don't feel Blanche is the right guy then someone as good as GW will take the job. If GW leaves I'll wish him well, thank him for the great job as a Skin, but I will however issue him a warning that he should consider before he leaves. After his failure in Buffalo this is more than likely his last shot as a head coach. If he goes some where and fails that's it. No one will offer him another head coaching job. So he should go to KC or stay here. He's not going to succeed in Detroit because no coach can and more than likely he'll struggle in St Louis.

[Redblood]

GW will be here for at least one more year, IMO. The coordinator's in New England had to win 3 Super Bowl's before they got head coaching job's. And GW is a bit of a retread, having been a failed HC once already. I'm sure he will have offer's but I think he will wait another year, to reap some of the success he has helped to build here.


Great assessment RR! Our "D" is ranked 16th? And that's reason owners looking for a HC will come knocking on GW's door???????

Last I checked, 16th is not No.#1!

[redskin_rich]

I agree, but the difference is that he created THREE dominate defenses with three different teams. For some teams (cough Lions cough) hiring GW would be almost the best thing they could do.
Detroit would be a terrible move for GW and as we discussed a couple weeks ago, Detroit has Dick Jauron as interim HC right now and he is just as brilliant of defensive mind as GW, why would they trade one great defensive mind for another, especially when one is already familiar with the organization?

[whistleandthumb]

It sounds like, based on what GW has said, he will be staying for at least one more year. His family has settled down in the DC area, and I think they want to stay there for awhile, and not be uprooted yet AGAIN.

It's hard to know whether or not GW will stay long enough to be the successor to Coach Gibbs, but I'd honestly be surprised (being as objective as I can) if GW was coaching somewhere else next year.

[smoak]

Detroit would be a terrible move for GW and as we discussed a couple weeks ago, Detroit has Dick Jauron as interim HC right now and he is just as brilliant of defensive mind as GW, why would they trade one great defensive mind for another, especially when one is already familiar with the organization?

Fair enough. I have just never been a huge fan of Jaron. I agree it would be terrible for GW (or anyone stupid enough to take the job), but the Lions need to hire someone with energy. Jaron just seems boring. The Lions need a coach who at least doesn't look depressed on the sidelines...

So basically they need someone from outside of Detroit. :D

[Death_Venom]

Let's just say the I hope GW stays for the long and decides to take over for GIbbs...........I do think it would be worth the wait for Williams & the fans..........;)

[Dexter72]

First off, if GW were to leave, I think there's a very good chance he grabs his former Def. Coordinator from Buffalo (Jerry Gray -- who the Skins tried to hire) since he will probably be out of a job.

KC and Houston would be the 2 jobs that I think he probably would have the most interest in given his ties to those areas and their ownership/management situations. But Houston has a lot of building to do, and, as BnG pointed out, KC has a lot of re-building to do. Most of the other jobs are bad jobs: Oakland with Al, Detroit with Millen, New Orleans, St. Louis with crazy ass Georgia and her team of backstabbers, and it still remains to be seen if B-More, Minnesota, etc. actually do fire their coaches when so many other teams are and when there seems to be so few candidates out there.

[ChiefPowhatan17]

GW would be foolish to leave here. It is premature to leave before you can accomplish your goals as a team.

[828791Redskins]

Does that really matter? Lovie Smith might take the Bears to the SB. If he did that, does it mean he was successful or not. And I remember Shannon Sharp being pretty good too, so was Jamal Lewis. You make the most with what you got. I guess Lovie is just riding Ron Rivara.
Lovie Smith is a defensive minded head coach.He was a very good DC for the Rams.If the Bears do anything it will be because of their defense.Billick being a supposed offensive genius hasn't done a thing on that side of the ball.We can all say that their Superbowl was won because of the defense and no mistake,no excitement on offense.He rode Lewis' defense to a championship.

[EberKain]

He gets paid more than most head coaches right now, if he wants to move the family and make less money for more work and more stress, sure... I dont think he is going anywhere. Not many head coaches get the chance to build up a team for five years before they take over fully. I really don't see him going anywhere for a long time, GW is our guy.

[BandWagon]

You know Mike Wise is an arrogant writer who I personally can't stand. I don't understand why the media won't take the coaches for their word. Maybe I'm naive, but Wise left out the rest of Williams comment, which in its absence really skews the story. Wise wrote "Yep, no doubt about it," he said at FedEx Field on Sunday. "Although it has to be the right opportunity. When jobs come open and someone wants you, the hardest thing is to say, 'No.' "

What he left out (paraphrasing) "my work isnt' done here, I love my coaching staff, I love the area, I'm learning from the best (Gibbs) and Dan Snyder has been very, very good to me and my family".

Kinda changes the picture doesn't it. I hate Mike Wise and I don't believe Williams will leave this year. Not for one second.

[Syllable]

They talked about this during the game yesterday and they stated that Greg and family are happy in the DC area and his children enjoy the schools in the DC area. There has to be a "quality of life" issue, but I do see other quality of life issues present should he want to move back to the midwest.

The KC job would be an interesting one to take. They already have a high-potent offense and he could take the KC defense and turn it around like he has done here.

Is it me or have we had many good defensive coordinators here [Marvin Lewis/Greg Lewis] that left us to become head coaches elsewhere? I am hoping that the comfort level Greg has here in DC will keep him here and just wait for Joe to retire. He has a good unit here, I would love to see them both march into Glendale,AZ to claim the ring.

Our defensive unit wasnt too bad before he came.

[GWBlitzST]

I think he'll stay because I really believe he likes where this is heading. I think that we can make a legitamte run at the Super Bowl next year if he stays and we pick up the last few pieces of a winning formula. Why would he leave when he is on the brink of greatness? And you can say it's the money, but I think Mr. Snyder is all over that one.

[cal_junior]

Why do people have such a problem with Mike Wise. Seems like we're blaming the messenger here.
I for one would hate to see GW go as he's a big reason Joe Gibbs first year wasn't closer to 3-13.

[BandWagon]

Why do people have such a problem with Mike Wise. Seems like we're blaming the messenger here.
I for one would hate to see GW go as he's a big reason Joe Gibbs first year wasn't closer to 3-13.
because he consistently is "anti" redskins and in this case didn't clearly convey the message in the context it was given. Typical for this hack.

[BurgundyNGold]

Why do people have such a problem with Mike Wise. Seems like we're blaming the messenger here.
I for one would hate to see GW go as he's a big reason Joe Gibbs first year wasn't closer to 3-13.
It's not the messenger, per se. It's the fact that Mike Wise along with Sally Jenkins have nothing nice to say about the Redskins. It's a rather consistent and well documented pattern of anti-Redskin sentiment, rhetoric and pieces. It's like the two of them are waiting week after week with their bows drawn, flaming arrows locked to rain down their derision upon the Redskins bandwagon and the faithful within.
When we do well, they are nowhere to be found. Did either Wise or Jenkins write even so much as a haiku about the monumental Dallass victory. Hell no. Because they are bitter, recalcitrant hacks whose only claim to fame is that they write columns that are consistenty against the grain of the region's Redskins faithful and, occasionally, contrary to reality. In this case, Wise didn't even bother to do any field work or research and couldn't report any new information that wasn't provided by an anonymous fellow journalist as his source. What a joke. Maybe he should go work for the Weekly World News, as they seem to value fact and honest reporting more than this hack. Maybe he could report how bigfoot is having Dan Snyder's alien baby, lol.

So, to hell with them. If they were on fire, I wouldn't take the opportunity to relieve myself in their dierction for fear of putting them out.

[silverspring]

It's not the messenger, per se. It's the fact that Mike Wise along with Sally Jenkins have nothing nice to say about the Redskins. It's a rather consistent and well documented pattern of anti-Redskin sentiment, rhetoric and pieces. It's like the two of them are waiting week after week with their bows drawn, flaming arrows locked to rain down their derision upon the Redskins bandwagon and the faithful within.
When we do well, they are nowhere to be found. Did either Wise or Jenkins write even so much as a haiku about the monumental Dallass victory. Hell no. Because they are bitter, recalcitrant hacks whose only claim to fame is that they write columns that are consistenty against the grain of the region's Redskins faithful and, occasionally, contrary to reality. In this case, Wise didn't even bother to do any field work or research and couldn't report any new information that wasn't provided by an anonymous fellow journalist as his source. What a joke. Maybe he should go work for the Weekly World News, as they seem to value fact and honest reporting more than this hack. Maybe he could report how bigfoot is having Dan Snyder's alien baby, lol.

So, to hell with them. If they were on fire, I wouldn't take the opportunity to relieve myself in their dierction for fear of putting them out.

pure poetry

[cal_junior]

because he consistently is "anti" redskins and in this case didn't clearly convey the message in the context it was given. Typical for this hack.

I can't speak to the full body of his work at the moment, but this column didn't seem to be anti-redskin at all. The "message" was that GW is a great DC who is highly sought after, probably will leave and, Wise's opion, it would be nice to see him stay with the Skins longer. That was quite clearly conveyed.
The "hack," statment is just strange. Wise is one of the top guys anywhere.

[BurgundyNGold]

I can't speak to the full body of his work at the moment, but this column didn't seem to be anti-redskin at all. The "message" was that GW is a great DC who is highly sought after, probably will leave and, Wise's opion, it would be nice to see him stay with the Skins longer. That was quite clearly conveyed.
The "hack," statment is just strange. Wise is one of the top guys anywhere.
Please substantiate that with anything not written in a birthday card to him by his mother or that is not in crayon on his refrigerator at home.

[cal_junior]

In this case, Wise didn't even bother to do any field work or research and couldn't report any new information that wasn't provided by an anonymous fellow journalist as his source. What a joke. Maybe he should go work for the Weekly World News, as they seem to value fact and honest reporting more than this hack.

Didn't he mention team officials? Where was the fellow journlist reference?

[BurgundyNGold]

Didn't he mention team officials? Where was the fellow journlist reference?


Yes, he'll occasionally give you that sideways look, the one that says, "You can't possibly tell me something about the human condition or this game that I don't already know." Around the practice facility in Ashburn, a person covering the team summed up Williams's arrogance this way: "If you don't know the second 'g' in Gregg's name stands for genius, just ask him. He'll tell you."

That is a quote from a fellow journalist. And I am still waiting for you to show me that Pulitzer that makes Wise "one of the best".

[cal_junior]

I assume you realize that quote from a fellow journalist was made to prove his point about the way he comes across to the media. Not sure you can cite a better source that that.
The entire premise of the column, which I bet broke the information, was that according to team sources a half dozen organizations have contacted him about a head coaching post. I would be willing to bet that involved quite a bit of research.

As for his background, the Washingtonion referred to the hiring this way:

The Washington Post has snatched Mike Wise, one of the country’s best sportswriters, from the New York Times.

The story goes on to say:

Wise got his big break in 1995, a year after he came to the Times, when he broke the news that Pat Riley was secretly negotiating a coaching deal with the Miami Heat while coaching the Knicks. The story won awards and a letter of praise from Times publisher Arthur Sulzberger.

Wise also burned the Post from New York. It was Wise’s reporting last year that first shed light on the tensions between superstar player Michael Jordan and Wizards owner Abe Pollin that eventually led to Jordan’s testy departure.

In reference to the critique that he rips the Skins too much, the Washingtonian talked about the one of the Post's biggest shortcomings being that its writers were big-time homers. And that that was specifically why it got Wise:

Wise’s coming to the Post is more than a simple personnel change. It signals a realization by the Post that its sports section needs new energy and fresh perspective.

The question: Can the hiring of one good reporter and columnist help overcome the Post’s propensity to champion local teams and owners uncritically?

Coming from Columbus, OH, where the local rags never ever take Ohio State University to task, no matter what crazy stuff happens over there, I can tell you that you do not want every writer at your local paper to coddle the locals. Makes for terrible coverage.

And to be perfectly honest, if the Post hired him he's good. Sally Jenkins notwithstanding.

[DoGood]

I assume you realize that quote from a fellow journalist was made to prove his point about the way he comes across to the media. Not sure you can cite a better source that that.
The entire premise of the column, which I bet broke the information, was that according to team sources a half dozen organizations have contacted him about a head coaching post. I would be willing to bet that involved quite a bit of research.

As for his background, the Washingtonion referred to the hiring this way:



The story goes on to say:



In reference to the critique that he rips the Skins too much, the Washingtonian talked about the one of the Post's biggest shortcomings being that its writers were big-time homers. And that that was specifically why it got Wise:



Coming from Columbus, OH, where the local rags never ever take Ohio State University to task, no matter what crazy stuff happens over there, I can tell you that you do not want every writer at your local paper to coddle the locals. Makes for terrible coverage.

And to be perfectly honest, if the Post hired him he's good. Sally Jenkins notwithstanding.

Unfortunately, that thing in bold makes it very hard to take the post seriously sometimes.

[bgforever]

pure poetry


Add to it: The Washington Post added them to the staff, to make sure we got completely opposite sides of the spectrum. They did a good job of finding pure ah who are definitely on the opposite side of reality. Great Job WP!

[BurgundyNGold]

I assume you realize that quote from a fellow journalist was made to prove his point about the way he comes across to the media. Not sure you can cite a better source that that.
I don't know that hearsay from a fellow journalist can or should be considered a "source". Having your buddy buying what you're selling without anybody having to pay the piper is how Enron happened. Personally, I don't think it's worth its weight in air biscuits.

The entire premise of the column, which I bet broke the information, was that according to team sources a half dozen organizations have contacted him about a head coaching post. I would be willing to bet that involved quite a bit of research.
You would think, but the Post is not hooked into the organization nearly as much as it was and Mike Wise is especially on the outside because of his consistent passive aggressive swipes at the team.

Washingtonian magazine said something glowing about the Post? Really? Considering they have been the Post's mouthpiece on many topics, this shouldn't surprise anyone that they would rant about Wise. You should check the letterhead on that story.

Also, please forgive me if I don't give a whole lot of love to a reporter from recently of the New York Times who is citing unnamed sources in his story, lol.

In reference to the critique that he rips the Skins too much, the Washingtonian talked about the one of the Post's biggest shortcomings being that its writers were big-time homers. And that that was specifically why it got Wise:
So... this kind of proves BandWagon and my point. The guy is a shill for the Post whose job it is to take point and take shots at the team. Fine, but don't get upset if we call him on it.

Coming from Columbus, OH, where the local rags never ever take Ohio State University to task, no matter what crazy stuff happens over there, I can tell you that you do not want every writer at your local paper to coddle the locals. Makes for terrible coverage.
I don't mind a bad or a negative story every now and again. The trick as a reporter is to, wait for it... REPORT. You don't sit back and write passive aggresive articles in which you criticize the team's name as racist or hint that Gibbs won't cut it or that Vinny Cerato is Danny's lap dog without reporting the good as well. You don't try to rock the boat of MY team for the sole purpose of seeing what may or may not fall out. I don't have any patience for that kind of reporting of a sports franchise that I love. You want to do that type of "reporting" Mike Wise? Go chase Uma Thurman's panties and write about it in "Us" magazine.

Unlike Jenkins -- who has all the literary precision of a logging axe -- Wise is shrewd. His stories about the Redskins often appear to be conciliatory or unbiased in topic, but as you read what he writes, it is often contradictory to the initial tone of the story. In this case, he has gone out of his way to report something that nobody else is reporting in hopes of making a story where there currently is not one. It is quite shrewd. Underhanded even. If I were Gibbs, I wouldn't let the little weasel into the building.

[cal_junior]

A few more things and then I'm done for the night:

I don't know that hearsay from a fellow journalist can or should be considered a "source". Having your buddy buying what you're selling without anybody having to pay the piper is how Enron happened. Personally, I don't think it's worth its weight in air biscuits.

I'm not sure what your point is here, whether you think Wise made this quote up or not. That would be quite a reach, given his reputation. But I have a feeling the way GW comes off to people who work closely with him is critical to dicussing why it didn't work in Buffalo and why there might still be reservations about him moving up. Not citing the source makes perfect sense, given that the reporter in question will probably have to ask GW questions for as long as he is with the franchise. If he had cited a fellow reporter telling him that GW has gotten X number of offers I would agree with you. This is simply a person's opinion in an opinion piece.

You don't sit back and write passive aggresive articles in which you criticize the team's name as racist or hint that Gibbs won't cut it or that Vinny Cerato is Danny's lap dog without reporting the good as well.

I think Wise and the Post would argue that's exactly his job. He's not the beat writer. He is under no obligation to report anything, be it good or bad. I would make the case that the column in question is very positive. The essence, at least to me, seems to be: 'Here is one of the great coordinators in the game who is simply too good not to move up. This is how good, and this is how interested people are in him. Yes, he has rough edges, but that's who he is.'

His stories about the Redskins often appear to be conciliatory or unbiased in topic, but as you read what he writes, it is often contradictory to the initial tone of the story.

His stories are supposed to be biased, he is a columnist.

In this case, he has gone out of his way to report something that nobody else is reporting in hopes of making a story where there currently is not one. It is quite shrewd.

That's called enterprise reporting, something critical to a good newspaper. Would people read the Post if all it did was re-hash games and practices and print quotes? That's what redskins.com is for.

And, most importantly:

You don't try to rock the boat of MY team for the sole purpose of seeing what may or may not fall out.

Here's where you're wrong. They are OUR team. Go Skins.

[BurgundyNGold]

I'm not sure what your point is here, whether you think Wise made this quote up or not. That would be quite a reach, given his reputation. But I have a feeling the way GW comes off to people who work closely with him is critical to dicussing why it didn't work in Buffalo and why there might still be reservations about him moving up. Not citing the source makes perfect sense, given that the reporter in question will probably have to ask GW questions for as long as he is with the franchise. If he had cited a fellow reporter telling him that GW has gotten X number of offers I would agree with you. This is simply a person's opinion in an opinion piece.
I don't know how to say this any more clearly. Considering the sources are unnamed and/or fellow journalists, I do not think that anything that Wise is offering can be considered anything more than rumor or innuendo. Whether he is making something up or not is irrelevant. The very fact that it is unsubstantiated leaves it with no value. That is, no value outside of the opinion of the writer -- an opinion that he convieniently cherry picked and hacked up quotes to make seem more credible, as per BandWagon's cite. As for making up things, I don't know that he is. For that matter, I don't know that he isn't. Pastabelly pulls things out of his posterior all the time that don't come true, but folks always seem to forget the misses.

I think Wise and the Post would argue that's exactly his job. He's not the beat writer. He is under no obligation to report anything, be it good or bad. I would make the case that the column in question is very positive. The essence, at least to me, seems to be: 'Here is one of the great coordinators in the game who is simply too good not to move up. This is how good, and this is how interested people are in him. Yes, he has rough edges, but that's who he is.'
Look deeper and you will see that this story is nothing more than Wise stirring the pot to get a reaction over at Redskins Park and, yes, out in Redskins Nation. He uses quotes from fellow journalists and unnamed sources to aid in his endeavor. Now, while you may think that Wise is accomplished because the Washingtonian magazine tells you so, that's your choice. That alone is not enough for me. In fact, I usually choose to skip the Washingtonian's perspective on anything since I found out how they chose the best restaurants list. Here's a hint: $$$.

I am also not willing to concede that Mike Wise is anywhere near the top in his field. Maybe an award or two outside of his boy scout troop would be help his cause. As far as I can tell, he's just an out of town, craphorse version of a wannabe Michael Wilbon who doesn't have the knowlege to pull it off or the likeability to cover his arse. Maybe he and Sally should go hang out in SoHo and get their backs waxed the next time he's back home in New York.

His stories are supposed to be biased, he is a columnist.
BandWagon and I told you that he was a biased shill but you wanted to debate that. I'm glad that's behind us.

That's called enterprise reporting, something critical to a good newspaper. Would people read the Post if all it did was re-hash games and practices and print quotes? That's what redskins.com is for.
What, so he's William Randolph Hearst now? Thanks, Mike, but we don't need to remember the Maine. We like things with our Redskins FO and coaches nice and quiet these days if it's all the same to you.

Here's where you're wrong. They are OUR team. Go Skins.
I'm talking from my perspective. You're still new, so I can't and won't speak for you. I like to hear your perspective though. Even if you are wrong about this @ssclown. :D

[BandWagon]

OK, I'm going to chime in here again. A couple new points and perspective, while tangential may add to the, eh, debate.

1) Mr. Tony's not so hidden view that Wise is out to get his job. Do you think for a moment there isn't any truth in his humor? Kinda gives me an idea of the identity of this guy.

2) There seems to be no shortage of opinion pieces at the Post these days. Strategic I'm sure, since papers compete so heavily with online sources like ESPN, etc. What the Post is really missing is BALANCE. Like a lot things in life the pendulum has now swung too far in the opposite direction. Loading up on negative reporting is just as bad as homerism. Mr. Tony and his late season bandwagon has been the only positive "opinion" piece in that rag. And look what happened as a result....open war with Sally Jenkins. This consumer would like to see both positive and negative opinion pieces from the same writer. How 'bout that WashPost?

3) In answer to Cals reference to Redskins.com being the source for "beat" stories. I'd have to answer "nay" there. I love Redskins.com for what it is. I would like and value independent beat reporting, which I think the Post provides, but seemingly doesn't value for it's lack of "shock" value.

4) Again, I didn't say this particular story was negative. This particular story cherry picked the quotes to support the objective as B&G has accurately surmised. To stir the pot. That's the strategy of the Post and I'm tired of it. Wise's credentials, regardless of where they come from, are completely irrelevant if he fails to accurately convey what Williams was saying. He did not do that.

5) There's no great scoop here. Williams admitted some time ago he was approached last year and will likely be approached again this year. The only way Wise gets any traction with this article is to take a controversial tack, which he did, and look at the reaction....mission accomplished and irresponsible journalism.

6) Lastly, Williams was incompletely quoted. Wise took liberties to plant the idea that Williams is gone after this season. The facts do not support it...unfortunately most fans don't digest the volume of information a lot of us do and therefore never have clue that Wise is starting a rumor here...they take it for face value and THAT is why the Redskins are so furious with the Post. I'm just glad I follow this stuff closely enough that I can form my own opinions from all the data.

Footnote: It's perfectly fine to state that your OPINION is that Williams will take another job and leave this year. No issue there. Just say it. Don't twist the facts to make it into something that it's not...a breaking story.

[redskinz#1fan]

The only quality def. coordinator who has left is Marvin Lewis. Never have heard of Greg Lewis.


He is a clone mixture between Greg Williams & Marvin Lewis. Very dangerous mixture!

[helimech24]

ESPN Cold pizza brought up that he might be one of the most seeked out AHC out there. Man, I hope he doesn't leave. Houston and KC were the more popular places to go.

[Discalced]

Couldn't Danny just sign him to a bigger contract, if money was the issue? He may be worth it.

[BurgundyNGold]

ESPN Cold pizza brought up that he might be one of the most seeked out AHC out there. Man, I hope he doesn't leave. Houston and KC were the more popular places to go.
Cold Pizza. Yep, that's some hard core sports reporting right there, lol.

Here's the "Jump the Shark" notes (http://www.jumptheshark.com/c/coldpizza.htm) on Cold Pizza in case anyone wants a chuckle.

[helimech24]

Cold Pizza. Yep, that's some hard core sports reporting right there, lol.

Here's the "Jump the Shark" notes (http://www.jumptheshark.com/c/coldpizza.htm) on Cold Pizza in case anyone wants a chuckle.

:lol1: , I know it ain't, but I hate the fact that it is getting brought up by the media so much now.

[colkurtz]

1. GW is paid a head coach salary, now. Snyder can make that higher if needed.

2. He is the heir apparent to the HC job here. Worst case is he inherits the jobs 3.2 years from now --- sooner if Gibbs leaves early.

3. He has stated previously that teams have called him and that he wanted to stay here and build a team for the long-term.

4. Less than 2 years ago, GW was run out of Buffalo after just three seasons. He appreciates his opportunity.

If GW leaves, then he can be replaced. This is a long-term program and the quitters can get off whenever they want.

Personally, I see him staying - he wants to be part of this long-term vision.

[FanFromArizona]

How many years does Greg have remaining on his contract with us?
I am wondering if this could become a Jon Gruden situation, where a team will pay with a draft pic for a coach [like Tampa Bay did to get Gruden]

Can Greg just walk out of his contract for another team, this is assuming that he would want to?

[redwolf1218]

1. GW is paid a head coach salary, now. Snyder can make that higher if needed.

2. He is the heir apparent to the HC job here. Worst case is he inherits the jobs 3.2 years from now --- sooner if Gibbs leaves early.

3. He has stated previously that teams have called him and that he wanted to stay here and build a team for the long-term.

4. Less than 2 years ago, GW was run out of Buffalo after just three seasons. He appreciates his opportunity.

If GW leaves, then he can be replaced. This is a long-term program and the quitters can get off whenever they want.

Personally, I see him staying - he wants to be part of this long-term vision.
these are all good points. if more money will make him stay, then Snyder will dish it out. Williams is well worth whatever raise Snyder would give him.

If Williams is determined to leave just for the prestige of a head coaching position (which i doubt), then Blache or Lindsey could be promoted.

[BurgundyNGold]

How many years does Greg have remaining on his contract with us?
I am wondering if this could become a Jon Gruden situation, where a team will pay with a draft pic for a coach [like Tampa Bay did to get Gruden]

Can Greg just walk out of his contract for another team, this is assuming that he would want to?
Most AHC contracts have clauses that allow them to leave if they get a HC position. The Gruden deal was special because it was a HC to HC lateral move between teams. If I'm not mistaken, I think the league did something to thwart that kind of stuff after the Gruden deal.

[BandWagon]

How many years does Greg have remaining on his contract with us?
I am wondering if this could become a Jon Gruden situation, where a team will pay with a draft pic for a coach [like Tampa Bay did to get Gruden]

Can Greg just walk out of his contract for another team, this is assuming that he would want to?
Gibbs has said on several occassions "all the coaches are signed to long term contracts". Whatever that really means...

[BurgundyNGold]

Gibbs has said on several occassions "all the coaches are signed to long term contracts". Whatever that really means...
IMO, that means that he expects them to stick around and help right the ship.

[dj_stouty]

If I'm not mistaken, I think the league did something to thwart that kind of stuff after the Gruden deal.

You are correct. Teams are no longer allowed to trade draft picks for coaches. (Which I thought was stupid to begin with)

[smoak]

Gibbs has said on several occassions "all the coaches are signed to long term contracts". Whatever that really means...

It only means that they can't leave unless it is for a promotion. We'll see GW and his boy really tested this week against a team the walked all over us a couple months ago.

[SkinsGuru]

So who's leads the defensive coaching staff next year????

[BurgundyNGold]

So who's leads the defensive coaching staff next year????
GW until further notice.

[SkinsGuru]

GW until further notice.

I hope so . . . just REALLY doubt it!

[GWBlitzST]

If Gregg Williams leaves, he is an idiot. He just got here after a debaucherous stint in Buffalo. Why would he want to start all over again? I doubt any other NFL owner would accomodate his needs like Danny has. This team is finally on their feet, and surely he knows the history of the revoving door at Def Coor. in DC, and how upset the players, not to mention his own children, would be if he packed it up again. I think this decision, like Joe's, will have a LOT to do with things other than money. I think Mrs. Williams will make it clear that the family doesn't want to move again, at least not yet.