Pro Bowl Poll

[akhhorus]

So who do you think will make the pro bowl from the Skins?

And you can vote for multiple players in this one....

[Ibleedburgundy]

Santana, Randy Thomas (although the injury might hurt his chances) Cooley as as FB, Marcus Washington and Sean Taylor.

[BurgundyNGold]

Well, I know for a fact that Cooley will be going as FB.

[PennSkinsFan]

Cooley, Washington, and Thomas

[Patrick]

Griffin
Washington
Portis
Moss
Thomas ...... (IR) ... would have.
Taylor

COOLEY .......... leading the NFC as a fullback ......... Yeah!

[The Skinsinator]

Santana Moss, Randy Thomas, Clinton Portis, Cornelius Griffin, Marcus Washington, Sean Taylor

Santana Moss-obvious reasons
Randy Thomas-steady and consistent and had another banner campaign
Clinton Portis-all purpose versatile back on his way to close to 1500 yards
Cornelius Griffin-devastating def. tackle that stuffs the run and pressures qbs
Marcus Washington-fiery and highly effective leader of very good Redskin def.
Sean Taylor-brutally hard hitting safety that's so feared teams intentionally throw away from him to avoid his poundings

[akhhorus]

Moss, Portis, Cooley, Marcus Washington, Brunell(which says a lot about the state Qbing in the NFC), Taylor & Griffin.

[Spence]

I can't believe I'm the only to vote for Shawn Springs. I shudder to think what our defense would be like without him. Oh, wait. Now I remember. We missed him in the second half of the Seattle game. After dominating the Seahawks in the first half, their offense ran all over the field in the third and fourth quarters.

Shawn Springs, Marcus Washington, and Cornelius Griffin are the brains, heart, and muscle of the Redskins defense.

[fent]

Portis, Cooley, Moss, Washington, Griffin, and Akh.

[BurgundyNGold]

I said:

First or Second Team:

Sanatana Moss
Chris Cooley
Marcus Washington
Cornelius Griffin

Alternates:

Sean Taylor
Randy Thomas
Shawn Springs (I misclicked him :inkston: )

[Patrick]

Portis, Cooley, Moss, Washington, Griffin, and Akh.



LOL .......... don't encourage him!

[redskin_rich]

Cooley, Moss and Washington. Of course, I think there are other's that deserve to go, those three are all that will make it.

[Keino]

I said:

First or Second Team:

Sanatana Moss
Chris Cooley
Marcus Washington
Cornelius Griffin
Sean Taylor
Randy Thomas
Shawn Springs

This is my list as well. Not all will make it, but certainly all are deserving. My list also included Portis

[dj_stouty]

Moss (Reserve)
Cooley (Starter at FB) :rolleyes:
Washington (Starter)
Griffin (Starter)

[BurgundyNGold]

This is my list as well. Not all will make it, but certainly all are deserving. My list also included Portis
Yeah, I thought about Portis as an alternate. He might make it but I figured that other NFC rushers would get the nod strictly because of Rev. Gonna Change, lol.

[Moeskins]

Moss, Portis and Thomas will go for sure and should be on the first team. Springs, Washington, Griff and Sellers or Cooley should also make it in my opinion.

[Discalced]

Santana
Brunell
Cornie
Washington
Taylor
Cooley

Portis will probably get beat out by Alexander, Barber, Dunn. Sucks, because there's no way Dunn should be there over Portis.

[danny's stogie]

Santana and Cooley are both shoe-ins.

Both Samuels and Randy are deserving and I think both will make it. Tackle is a bit thin in the NFC this year with both Flozell and Tra out for the year. Only Walter Jones is a definite, Pace isn't nearly as deserving as normally, but will probably make it because of his name and reputation, and Samuels will grab one of the last two spots.

Brunell and Portis are both borderline. At RB Shaun and Tiki are one and two, but the third spot is a toss-up between Portis, Dunn, and Jones (no, not the MVP Jones, but the one that plays in Chicago). I think Portis takes the 3rd spot, especially if he puts up good numbers the last two games and is considered the leader of an offense that made a playoff push (I was actually thinking of starting a thread on the Portis versus Dunn and Jones debate. If anyone with poll making skills wants to start it, be my guest). At QB Delhomme and Hasselback are in so that leaves Vick, Manning, Bledsoe, and Mark. Mark is the most deserving of that bunch, but I'd bet that either Manning or Bledsoe get the last spot, probably Manning because of the NFL suck fest surrounding his surname. I say no Brunnell, but he's deserving.

MW and ST are both in. Lemar is probably deserving, but Urlacher is in and don't forget that a spot is always reserved for a bum like Trotter. Corny and Springs won't make it. If they led injury free seasons they'd both be deserving.

And Thrash on special teams. He'll make it, but Sellers is more deserving.

[smoak]

Pathetically sad note of the day:

Akh has more votes that Jon Jansen.

And that is not meant as an insult to a helluva guy like Akh (b/c I also voted for him).

[MoeRedskins]

Does anybody know what Sellers is listed as, cause it would be cool to send both FB to the pro bowl. Cooley, Moss, Portis, and one offensive lineman (prob. Thomas) will make it on offense, Griffen, Taylor, Washington, and Springs will make it on D. James Thrash is your special team rep.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Moss and Cooley are in for sure...Washington and Taylor have a good chance I think, and Griffin and Randy Thomas deserve to make it but I'm not so sure they will.
Obviously I think CP should go, but it's gonna be tough..2 of 3 RB spots are taken (Alexander and Barber), he's gonna get lots of competition from Dunn and Thomas Jones for the last spot..if he gets to 1500 he has a good chance of making it..
Actually looking at the passing stats for NFC QBs Brunell isn't doing so bad, but I don't think he'll make it..the 3 QBs for the NFC probably will be Hasselbeck, Vick(even with his abysmal passing rating..but the fans want him in :banghead: ) and Eli "Hype-machine" Manning

[dj_stouty]

Brunell is an interesting prospect for the Pro Bowl.

He is 1st in the NFC in TD-to-INT Ratio and 3rd in Passer Rating.

Hasselbeck is a LOCK for starter in the Pro Bowl. He is top 3 in just about every Passer category in the NFC.

The only other QBs aside from Hasselbeck that are in contention are:

Bulger (Who is missing half the season)
Brunell (Revived his career. See Stats above)
Bledsoe (Has way too many INTs)
Delhomme (Could get in on the Division win alone. Brunell has better stats)
Warner (2nd in completion %)

If three are taken I could see Hasselbeck, Delhomme and Bledsoe get it. I don't necessarily agree with this, though...

[MONK_in_HOF]

Who I think makes it.
Moss- He should get in but there are lots of good WR in NFC this year.
Cooley- If he is annually is listed @ FB he may take Alstott's yearly place in Hawaii.
Thomas- Injury shouldn't affect him vote wise as it came at the tail end of the process.
Washington- I would be surprised if he doesn't go again.
Taylor- His presence has been recognized and he should make it.

Who just misses out
Jansen and Samuels-just miss out due to more recognizable names I think
Griffin- missed too much time during season which hurt his stats. I don't think the average fan realizes Griff is our D-line and the impact he has on our D as a whole.
Portis- We know Alexander will be there, and most likely Tiki but will Portis make it?

[smoak]

Brunell is an interesting prospect for the Pro Bowl.

He is 1st in the NFC in TD-to-INT Ratio and 3rd in Passer Rating.

Hasselbeck is a LOCK for starter in the Pro Bowl. He is top 3 in just about every Passer category in the NFC.

The only other QBs aside from Hasselbeck that are in contention are:

Bulger (Who is missing half the season)
Brunell (Revived his career. See Stats above)
Bledsoe (Has way too many INTs)
Delhomme (Could get in on the Division win alone. Brunell has better stats)
Warner (2nd in completion %)

If three are taken I could see Hasselbeck, Delhomme and Bledsoe get it. I don't necessarily agree with this, though...

Yeah, and you can make a similar argument for Portis. Ourside of Alexander and Tiki (both having MVP like seasons), Portis can be argued as the best of the rest. Dunn has more yards I think, but not the TDs. I don't know if anyone else is over 1,000 yards yet.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Brunell is an interesting prospect for the Pro Bowl.

He is 1st in the NFC in TD-to-INT Ratio and 3rd in Passer Rating.

Hasselbeck is a LOCK for starter in the Pro Bowl. He is top 3 in just about every Passer category in the NFC.

The only other QBs aside from Hasselbeck that are in contention are:

Bulger (Who is missing half the season)
Brunell (Revived his career. See Stats above)
Bledsoe (Has way too many INTs)
Delhomme (Could get in on the Division win alone. Brunell has better stats)
Warner (2nd in completion %)

If three are taken I could see Hasselbeck, Delhomme and Bledsoe get it. I don't necessarily agree with this, though...

You're forgetting about Vick and Manning...neither deserve to make it but I fear that both will be there...right now Manning is the leading NFC QB in the fan voting, which counts for 1/3 of the vote, and Vick is one of the most popular players in the league..and that's exactly what the Pro-Bowl is...a popularity contest

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

who i think makes it:
brunell
cooley
moss
portis
thomas
washington

who i think SHOULD make, but probably won't
springs
griffin
taylor
jansen
samuels

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Yeah, and you can make a similar argument for Portis. Ourside of Alexander and Tiki (both having MVP like seasons), Portis can be argued as the best of the rest. Dunn has more yards I think, but not the TDs. I don't know if anyone else is over 1,000 yards yet.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/leaders/NFC/RYDS/2005/regular

It's either Portis, Jones or Dunn..the only guy other than those 3 with 1000 yards is Steven Jackson...the deciding factor could be who makes the playoffs between us or the falcons...

[dj_stouty]

You're forgetting about Vick and Manning...neither deserve to make it but I fear that both will be there...right now Manning is the leading NFC QB in the fan voting, which counts for 1/3 of the vote, and Vick is one of the most popular players in the league..and that's exactly what the Pro-Bowl is...a popularity contest

Manning does have the yards...but that is about it.

Vick "wins games" but not lately. His stats show he is a subpar Quarterback.

Since this is a popularity contest, I could see one of these guy edging out Brunell.

[smoak]

Officially I think not a single Redskin will make I don't care. The Pro Bowl is a sucker chump popularity contest.

Who I think should make it:
Brunell
Portis
Cooley (if you are calling him a FB)
Jansen
Thomas (named but not play)
Washington

Re: Griffin and Springs. I think they are the two most important players to this defense. I re-watched the first half of the dallass game and Cornie was right there getting a hand on Bledsoe constantly. Then there was a running play where "96 got blown 5 yards off the ball, but guess what... It took three guys (two linemen -- including Allen and the FB) and all three of our other linemen made the stop for a short loss.

That said, I don't think they have the sexy numbers to got (sacks and INTs).

I'd take Rock and Thrash on my special teams any day, but not sure if either make it.

[dj_stouty]

http://www.nfl.com/stats/leaders/NFC/RYDS/2005/regular

It's either Portis, Jones or Dunn..the only guy other than those 3 with 1000 yards is Steven Jackson...the deciding factor could be who makes the playoffs between us or the falcons...

Dunn's rushing average (5.1) may bump him over Portis, who has more TDs.

[Spence]

Brunell is an interesting prospect for the Pro Bowl.Bench him for Patrick Ramsey!

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Dunn's rushing average (5.1) may bump him over Portis, who has more TDs.

He has a better avg, but he has really slowed down lately..he only has one 100 yard game in his last 7, while Portis is on a roll..I think that if Portis can get to 1500 and 10 TD and we make the playoffs Portis has a really good chance...

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Bench him for Patrick Ramsey!

Ramsey is a lock for the Pro Bowl!!!

[The Skinsinator]

Ramsey is a lock for the Pro Bowl!!!
He is highly loved on this board that's for sure. I'm eager to see if he will be a Redskin or not next season.

[CNYSkinFan]

Bench him for Patrick Ramsey!

Why are you picking on Ramsey, everyone knows he is the next Brett Favre.

[danny's stogie]

Why are you picking on Ramsey, everyone knows he is the next Brett Favre.

Why don't you guys go stand in front of a mirror and say candyman five times. Don't wake the Ramsey demons.

[akhhorus]

Why are you picking on Ramsey, everyone knows he is the next Brett Favre.

You forgot: "....of the Canadian Football League" in this post CNY....

[CNYSkinFan]

You forgot: "....of the Canadian Football League" in this post CNY....

Actually I meant he was the Favre of last night.

[becky]

Yeah, I thought about Portis as an alternate. He might make it but I figured that other NFC rushers would get the nod strictly because of Rev. Gonna Change, lol.


Whaaaat? That should bump him over the edge! ;)

I voted..

Springs, Moss, Portis, Griff, Washington, Jansen, Taylor, Cooley, and yes, Brunell. I doubt all of them will make it, but if Vick goes to Hawaii in place of Brunell, I may throw up.

[DoGood]

I think some of you guys are far underestimating the talent around the league. It's tough to get even one pro bowler in and I think we've been blessed with two players having a pro bowl year that people will recognize. If it we're up to us we'd have the whole team represent the NFC.

My picks were more discriminating. Chris Cooley and Santana Moss seem to be a lock with the year they have had so far. Marcus Washington and Randy Thomas SHOULD make it but not so sure.

For those lobbying for Portis, Tiki and Alexander are at least two that need to go first.

Remember, this is a poll for those who WILL make it to Hawaii, not who SHOULD or who you would like to go.

[Ibleedburgundy]

I can't believe I'm the only to vote for Shawn Springs. I shudder to think what our defense would be like without him. Oh, wait. Now I remember. We missed him in the second half of the Seattle game. After dominating the Seahawks in the first half, their offense ran all over the field in the third and fourth quarters.

Shawn Springs, Marcus Washington, and Cornelius Griffin are the brains, heart, and muscle of the Redskins defense.


Teams have been going away from Springs a lot more than they did last year and that has resulted in lower stats I think (not his fault). Maybe it's because we lost Smoot and earlier in the season teams were testing Rogers and picking on Harris. I should have voted for Shawn Springs.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

if Vick goes to Hawaii in place of Brunell, I may throw up.

get ready then.....

[SpicyMcHaggis]

He is highly loved on this board that's for sure. I'm eager to see if he will be a Redskin or not next season.

Not

[SkinsFan73]

Santana Moss will go to the Pro Bowl

[helimech24]

I picked Cooley and voted before I realized that I could pick more than one. My others would be Moss and Washington.

[skinsfan811]

I said Sean Taylor, Clinton Portis(because of the past few weeks' performances),Santana Moss, and Chris Cooley (as a FB).

[DoGood]

Santana Moss will go to the Pro Bowl

I don't possibly see how Chris Cooley could not be selected to start considering he is included with the fullback and blows everyone else away statistically.

I hope he doesn't get banged up if they constantly have him blocking... Thats just not his job here.

[chrisbcbu]

Moss/cooley/Washington/Thrash i can see making it.

[PennSkinsFan]

Gotta admit, I am sstunned at my hR nation. I would have thought the leading vote getter woudl have been Randy Thomas, the guy has a simply put, phenomenal year, probably the best of his career! Man, where's the love!

[ChiefPowhatan17]

cooley, moss, brunell, on offense
and
Taylor, Marshall, and Washington on D.
and
Thrash on teams.

That's 7, that's about right.

[chrisbcbu]

Gotta admit, I am sstunned at my hR nation. I would have thought the leading vote getter woudl have been Randy Thomas, the guy has a simply put, phenomenal year, probably the best of his career! Man, where's the love!

I would love to see him go to the pro bowl and i think he deserves to go. I just dont think he will go. Im sure he will get overlooked like Corny did last year.

[danny's stogie]

I'm suprised Samuels isn't getting more votes. Name a tackle in the NFC beisdes Walter Jones who's having a better season.

[828791Redskins]

Guess we'll find out tomorrow.Since the announcement of the pro-bowl players comes out only four days after Randy Thomas had his season ending injury,will it effect his getting voted in or not? What is the other 2/3s vote besides the fan vote,the players/coaches?

[DoGood]

I would love to see him go to the pro bowl and i think he deserves to go. I just dont think he will go. Im sure he will get overlooked like Corny did last year.

Like you, I read this poll as asking who WILL go and not who SHOULD or who I would like to go. I like your list of Moss/Cooley/Washington/Thrash. Cooley should be a lock and so should Moss. All of us Redskins fans KNOW that Washington absolutely deserves to start. I don't know how much exposure he is getting elsewhere. Randy Thomas should absolutely be there as well although he is injured now. Offensive lineman votes are usually popularity contests.

[DoGood]

Guess we'll find out tomorrow.Since the announcement of the pro-bowl players comes out only four days after Randy Thomas had his season ending injury,will it effect his getting voted in or not? What is the other 2/3s vote besides the fan vote,the players/coaches?

It shouldn't affect him getting voted in. The players are all but announced at this point.

[Syllable]

Why is sellers there, there is no possible way he can make pro bowl.

[skinfanatic]

moss is a given. i think washington and taylor will. sellers might as a st, although it is mainly due to media hype (is this even possible?), and randy. however, the injury might have hurt randy. the classy move would be to give it to him and then he can either play in it or not due to his injury. that being said, it aint happening. if griff were healthy a few more games, he just might because hes finally starting to get some, not all but some, of the attention he deserves for what he does for this team

[DoGood]

moss is a given. i think washington and taylor will. sellers might as a st, although it is mainly due to media hype (is this even possible?), and randy. however, the injury might have hurt randy. the classy move would be to give it to him and then he can either play in it or not due to his injury. that being said, it aint happening. if griff were healthy a few more games, he just might because hes finally starting to get some, not all but some, of the attention he deserves for what he does for this team

How could you forget Chris Cooley? Quite possibly the leading vote-getter for the Redskins.

[openallnight]

Don't care who makes the "pop" bowl. I actually wouldn't be surprised if no Redskin players make it. We get NO respect by the national media.

Although, I think we'll have 53 players representing in the play-offs!!!

[flave1969]

I can't believe I'm the only to vote for Shawn Springs. I shudder to think what our defense would be like without him. Oh, wait. Now I remember. We missed him in the second half of the Seattle game. After dominating the Seahawks in the first half, their offense ran all over the field in the third and fourth quarters.

Shawn Springs, Marcus Washington, and Cornelius Griffin are the brains, heart, and muscle of the Redskins defense.


I thought it was who we think will go, not who we want?

[bgforever]

This is my list as well. Not all will make it, but certainly all are deserving. My list also included Portis

Close to mine too, but I also had Thrash going. People forgot he is still the leading vote getter for ST and will play Saturday, thus reestablishing his position, in Hawaii ------ dang, must be nice :)

[CowboyKilla]

Cooley Santana & Marcus are the clear ones.
chris (wouldn't be so clear if he was listed as a TE),

But I truely believe Portis should be in there as well w/ S. Alexander and Tiki. Jansen and Samuels have played stellar, so has Rabach.
And then there's the manbeast S. Taylor. Springs is as good as ANY Cb.
Some how i doubt they all will get in, but you never know.

[LATrueRedskin]

This isn't who I think should make it, but who I think will actually get voted in:

Santana Moss
Marcus Washington
Sean Taylor
Chris Cooley
Randy Thomas - easily would have made it, but his injury negates him.
Akh - for obvious reasons.

[Syllable]

I love how snubbed we are gonna get. After last year's eagle fest, im gonna give the pro bowl one more shot at letting in skill players and not bandwaggon drivers.
Taylor, springs, washington, griffin. Should be the defense. Dont forget ryan clark though he has a bunch of tackles and 2 picks.

[BurgundyNGold]

As much as I wanted to vote for Akh, I just couldn't do it. Maybe I'm spoiled, but I am used to more out of him. This season, I think he might be thinking about his contract too much or somehow hobbled by some injury that hasn't been made public.

The good news is for all of us is that he has been coming on strong the last couple of weeks, which is important. He needs to have his "A" game in December as we make a push for the playoffs, and it looks like he knows it and has raised his intensity level. However, for me, it is a 16 game season if you want my vote for the pro bowl.

















:D

[PyroGenic]

I can't believe I'm the only to vote for Shawn Springs. I shudder to think what our defense would be like without him. Oh, wait. Now I remember. We missed him in the second half of the Seattle game. After dominating the Seahawks in the first half, their offense ran all over the field in the third and fourth quarters.

Shawn Springs, Marcus Washington, and Cornelius Griffin are the brains, heart, and muscle of the Redskins defense.

true but does the rest of the world see that? We know cuz we're fans. Last gear Griffin was a beast but nobody else cared. Same thing with Springs. The fact that they were injured for a few games a piece doesn't help their stats at all and thats what I think the majority of fans go on when they dont actually see the guys play. Reason why ST will get in and somebody like Springs won't is because ST is on highlight reels for all to behold.

[akhhorus]

As much as I wanted to vote for Akh, I just couldn't do it. Maybe I'm spoiled, but I am used to more out of him. This season, I think he might be thinking about his contract too much or somehow hobbled by some injury that hasn't been made public.

The good news is for all of us is that he has been coming on strong the last couple of weeks, which is important. He needs to have his "A" game in December as we make a push for the playoffs, and it looks like he knows it and has raised his intensity level. However, for me, it is a 16 game season if you want my vote for the pro bowl.

I have to think it was a combination of my groin injuries and fent calling me out for getting sick during the Super Bowl and all the times he was demanding a new deal, telling Spence not to talk to him during HR meetings unless he spoke to him first, hiring Drew Rosenhaus, blowing off a manditory HR autograph session and getting into a fight with Smoak during a work out session. That stuff really held me back this season.

[BurgundyNGold]

I have to think it was a combination of my groin injuries and fent calling me out for getting sick during the Super Bowl and all the times he was demanding a new deal, telling Spence not to talk to him during HR meetings unless he spoke to him first, hiring Drew Rosenhaus, blowing off a manditory HR autograph session and getting into a fight with Smoak during a work out session. That stuff really held me back this season.
Plus, speed wise, I don't think you're the same Akh that you were a few years ago. Especially since your knee surgery. You've always had a "coachability" problem, but now that you may have lost a step, you don't have the sheer athleticism of to fall back on to make playing outside the system OK. ;)

[suppitty]

Moss, Cooley, Washington, Jansen (not getting any love!), Taylor, and of course Akh.

[BurgundyNGold]

Moss, Cooley, Washington, Jansen (not getting any love!), Taylor, and of course Akh.
I'm telling you people, Akh is overrated and his cap number is HUGE. :D

[bgforever]

true but does the rest of the world see that? We know cuz we're fans. Last gear Griffin was a beast but nobody else cared. Same thing with Springs. The fact that they were injured for a few games a piece doesn't help their stats at all and thats what I think the majority of fans go on when they dont actually see the guys play. Reason why ST will get in and somebody like Springs won't is because ST is on highlight reels for all to behold.


Teams with votes usually pick their own guys anyway and fans today are so fickle and market led, if you told them that Roaf was a huge fullback with more TD's than Cooley, they'd be plugged in for that. Of course Roaf is a HUGE Lineman!

I have mixed emotions on voting for Pro Bowls. I still see STALE names in there and some, like Eli Manning that are questionable, when Bulger, Hasselbeck, Brunell and even Bledsoe have higher ratings, and LESS THROWS!!! Jeez, if the Giants were so gawddy good, why is it put up so much, because they have been behind and about 3 of those games were flat out strange calls in their favor. Still somehow, the world (minus any level headed football average fan) wants to see Peyton vs Eli (yawn) in the Pro Bowl, good for Frosted Flakes, Budweiser, vehicles, computers, Select Soups, Chunky Soup, Soupy Sales, etc.

All said and done, the ratings will not go up, they will drop if Eli Manning is the starting Qb in the Pro Bowl, because all the fans with big markets that had their man in won't watch it. Washington, Seattle, Dallas, St. Louis.

[akhhorus]

I'm telling you people, Akh is overrated and his cap number is HUGE. :D

I can't feed and care for my stalkers on 12 million a year!

[LATrueRedskin]

I'm telling you people, Akh is overrated and his cap number is HUGE. :D

Let's trade him. :)

[bgforever]

I can't feed and care for my stalkers on 12 million a year!

Just rework the "Tribute Numbers" and get incentives over the life of your commitment to your stalkers (or, uh give your life to your stalkers, hehe :) )

[SpicyMcHaggis]

I can't feed and care for my stalkers on 12 million a year!

You're lucky you're not in the NBA...then you would have had to feed your children and buy a suit as well...

[vabeach_skinsfan]

Santana should definitely go, Cooley as well. Portis as a reserve RB.
Washington and Taylor have my vote.

[ObiWan1278]

Why not Rabach? Now I will admit I don't know Centers that well in the league, but I do know that Rabach is crucial to the Redskins offensive line, and I believe he is a key reason for skins huge improvement. Raymer got plowed so bad last year.

[PyroGenic]

All said and done, the ratings will not go up, they will drop if Eli Manning is the starting Qb in the Pro Bowl, because all the fans with big markets that had their man in won't watch it. Washington, Seattle, Dallas, St. Louis.

???

ok...

- ratings for the pro bowl are already lower than a session of monday night raw so I don't really think that the NFL should be worried about that, there's just not much to expect from it (also, they want more money out of the state of hawaii to stay there). Raw gets about a third of the viewers of an NFL game.

- so you're saying that seattle and st louis are a bigger market than new york? Have you ever been to st louis? You can't compare it to New York. Can't really argue about the Washington market since the Redskins are the most profitable sports organization in the world but you can still compare the population of New York and the DC area and see who wins out on that (my money is on new york).

- who cares about who's starting in the pro bowl? all the Qbs get equal playing time. If brunell makes it in, id just be happy to see him there.

[redskin_rich]

Moss and Samuels are in, Cooley and Portis are 1st alternates and Washington and Taylor are 2nd alternates.

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=13826

[ObiWan1278]

HOW DO YOU SLEEP COOLEY?

[DoGood]

Moss and Samuels are in, Cooley and Portis are 1st alternates and Washington and Taylor are 2nd alternate's.

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=13826

Those guys are certainly worthy and congratulations to them. However, I am AMAZED that Cooley is not a starter. Washington too but to a lesser extent. Second alternate?!?!?! I don't think so.

But congratulations to our Redskins!! 6 Pro Bowlers! Thats more like it.

[fent]

Moss and Samuels are in, Cooley and Portis are 1st alternates and Washington and Taylor are 2nd alternates.

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=13826

wait a second...i thought cooley was the leading vote getter at FB...

[DoGood]

wait a second...i thought cooley was the leading vote getter at FB...

So did I....

[akhhorus]

Moss and Samuels are in, Cooley and Portis are 1st alternates and Washington and Taylor are 2nd alternates.

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=13826

That sounds about right. Samuels, despite the Jared Allen game, actually had a great season.

[danny's stogie]

Moss and Samuels are in, Cooley and Portis are 1st alternates and Washington and Taylor are 2nd alternates.

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=13826

How in the world are MW and ST not starting? Does anyone have the full roster?

[akhhorus]

wait a second...i thought cooley was the leading vote getter at FB...

Thats only 1/3 of the voting, cooley didn't get much love from his fellow players obviously.

[redskin_rich]

wait a second...i thought cooley was the leading vote getter at FB...
That was of the fans vote, which only makes up a third of the voting overall, I think.
Should we demand a recount? :D

[chrisbcbu]

wait a second...i thought cooley was the leading vote getter at FB...

He did but that is only with the fan vote which only counts for 1/3 of the votes. So the coaches and players voted someone ahead of him.

[redskin_rich]

How in the world are MW and ST not starting? Does anyone have the full roster?
It will be announced at 4:00 EST on ESPN.

[danny's stogie]

Thats only 1/3 of the voting, cooley didn't get much love from his fellow players obviously.

Most likely Alstott and Brooks are taking away spots from Cooley and MW. Alstott has rarely deserved a trip to hawaii and certainly wouldn't this season. Despite tampa having one the league's best defenses, Brooks didn't have much to do with that this season. He hasn't looked nearly as effective as in years past in the games I've watched him play. MW is more deserving.

[danny's stogie]

Most likely Alstott and Brooks are taking away spots from Cooley and MW. Alstott has rarely deserved a trip to hawaii and certainly wouldn't this season. Despite tampa having one the league's best defenses, Brooks didn't have much to do with that this season. He hasn't looked nearly as effective as in years past in the games I've watched him play. MW is more deserving.

No Alstott, but Brooks made it. Ronde Barber did as well, he had a great season, very deserving.

http://www.buccaneers.com/news/newsdetail.aspx?newsid=4926

Lance Briggs for the Bears. http://www.chicagobears.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=13184

[GolfFreak]

Wow ... nice job for Moss and Chris, but once again our D gets snubbed.

[redskin_rich]

No Alstott, but Brooks made it. Ronde Barber did as well, he had a great season, very deserving.

http://www.buccaneers.com/news/newsdetail.aspx?newsid=4926

Lance Briggs for the Bears. http://www.chicagobears.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=13184
Trotter made it again for the Eagles :banghead:

Most of the team sites have their players announced now, The Giants have 5 starters in the pro bowl.

[danny's stogie]

Trotter made it again for the Eagles :banghead:

Most of the team sites have their players announced now, The Giants have 5 starters in the pro bowl.

At least Burress and Manning didn't make it. There is some justice in this world.

[openallnight]

How in the world are MW and ST not starting? Does anyone have the full roster?
As usual our D studs got snubbed.
I'm personally sorry for them because, I know the players really enjoy the recognition.

But, I'm thrilled as a fan. Because I guarantee this is just goin' add a little more fuel to their fire this week.

[ryflan47]

At least Burress and Manning didn't make it. There is some justice in this world.
Tyree made it though?

[CNYSkinFan]

Trotter made it and not Washington...pure bull crapola

[828791Redskins]

Trotter made it and not Washington...pure bull crapola
Trotter made it in over Pierce.Why?I don't even like Pierce but Trotter?

[MONK_in_HOF]

Trotter made it and not Washington...pure bull crapola
My sentiments exactly. Regardless if they don't play the exact same position.

[becky]

And once again the NFL proves the Pro Bowl to be a joke.. oh well, I'd much rather be in the playoffs than have a bunch of players go to the Pro Bowl. Congrats to Santana and Chris!

[ryflan47]

Shouldn't Derrick Frost be the representative of the NFC for punting?:rolleyes:

[MWballer]

I think Sean Taylor deserved to go over Darren Sharper!!!

[becky]

Shouldn't Derrick Frost be the representative of the NFC for punting?:rolleyes:

Yeah, he is the obvious choice, how could they possibly leave him out?!

[danny's stogie]

Tyree made it though?

Yeah, I addressed this in the other thread. The Giants have no business sending special teams players to the pro bowl after the performance against the Vikes.

[ryflan47]

Yeah, I addressed this in the other thread. The Giants have no business sending special teams players to the pro bowl after the performance against the Vikes.
Yeah, it makes me sick to my stomach.

[BurgundyNGold]

Shouldn't Derrick Frost be the representative of the NFC for punting?:rolleyes:
Maybe he could represent the AFC as the NFC punter? :D

[danny's stogie]

Yeah, it makes me sick to my stomach.

It's just a special teams guy. It's not like it matters. It would make me sick if Eli and Burress were anything more than alternates.

[ryflan47]

It's just a special teams guy. It's not like it matters. It would make me sick if Eli and Burress were anything more than alternates.
Still, he's a Giant.

[PyroGenic]

i wonder why cooley didn't make it in?

[golongdude]

He was put in as a FB - don't ask me the reasoning on that. It was ridiculous, IMO. I sure hope it wasn't the Redskins who made that decision.

I compared Cooley's, Crumpler's and Shockey's stats and they were all fairly similar. They are the real big TE in the conference, IMO. The thing that stands out when I look at their stats is Cooley with three fumbles (only one lost, though); the others didn't have any fumbles. CC will need to work on that.

But regardless, the hosebagger was the entry as a FB. What FB has those stats!??? It is crazy.

I have to say, the absolute worst is Michael Vick as QB! That makes me vomitous. Seems Pro Bowl voting is about as twisted and half-brained as MLB All-Star voting.

Ok, maybe that was a stretch...

[Discalced]

Vick is a bad, bad choice. 1 more passing TD than INTs. A 72 rating. So the guy can run. So could Forrest Gump, and all he got was a shrimp empire.

[akhhorus]

Vick is a bad, bad choice. 1 more passing TD than INTs. A 72 rating. So the guy can run. So could Forrest Gump, and all he got was a shrimp empire.

lol, I believe in one of my akh's thoughts columns I called Vick the Forrest Gump Qb, he just runs and runs and runs. I got some angry Pms from a couple Atlanta fans for that one.

[helimech24]

lol, I believe in one of my akh's thoughts columns I called Vick the Forrest Gump Qb, he just runs and runs and runs. I got some angry Pms from a couple Atlanta fans for that one.

The truth hurts sometimes. Some QBs can run like McNabb, Leftwich, Cunningham, and Moon.

And some are just runningbacks that can throw like Vick. I have seen LT make better throws on the run than Vick.

[golongdude]

Once Vick's knees go, he'll be hard pressed to land a backup position. What a joke. All physical, no mental. The new QB of the millenium.