Would you bring back Smoot?

[IMALILTEAPOT]

I think with a new coaching staff going into minnesota, they might feel that smoot isnt a good fit for the vikings and release him. I know smoot likes it here and he probably wouldnt mind coming back. do u think we should sign him back, if it was possible?

[akhhorus]

Would you get back together with an exgirlfriend who promised to stay only to dump you for a bigger loser, then rented a boat with a bunch of strippers and got arrested for doing carnal acts with those strippers? Hell no.....

[spanishskinfan]

I think with a new coaching staff going into minnesota, they might feel that smoot isnt a good fit for the vikings and release him. I know smoot likes it here and he probably wouldnt mind coming back. do u think we should sign him back, if it was possible?
This is football and they are professionals, I understood his choice this summer and I would like bring him back now, and if he doesn't play well next season I would cut him, and he couldn't say anything because " these are just business, amigo"

[Jero]

Three words: hell and no.

[RedskinsDave]

Yes, the Dandy needs the business.......I mean no.

[IHATEDALLAS'82'87'91]

No, never, no way, no how.

[DoGood]

I won't vote because this is Gregg Williams show now.

[lakeskin]

Shawn Springs, Carlos Rogers, Fred Smoot, and Will Blackmon. I gotta take that. Smoot's only transgression, as far as I can remember, was telling a fib and taking a slightly better deal from the Vikes. If he can be had for a deal similar to the one Walt Harris has then I would love to have him back.

[spanishskinfan]

Shawn Springs, Carlos Rogers, Fred Smoot, and Will Blackmon. I gotta take that. Smoot's only transgression, as far as I can remember, was telling a fib and taking a slightly better deal from the Vikes. If he can be had for a deal similar to the one Walt Harris has then I would love to have him back.
Where do we sign? WHAT A CB's CORP WOULD BE THAT!!

[LATrueRedskin]

Nope. I'd rather spend the money on a new-day Art Monk: Eric Moulds.

[Syllable]

I say yes to smoot.

[Ibleedburgundy]

If the price is right I would bring him back.

[bgforever]

If the price is right I would bring him back.

Smoot would pay to come back :)

[BurgundyNGold]

Sure. As the first mate on a yacht. But not for the Redskins.

[nynate]

Yeah, but only for a contract 1/2 the size of the one we offered him last year, and if we make him wear an "I was an idiot to leave for hardly any more money" t-shirt on media days....

Or if he took us all out on a "Boat Trip" to apologize....

[bgforever]

I could bring him back, allowing the the reality that he'd be in for a year only, and still upgrage at WR, OL, DL.

[santanadasavior]

I think that he is not worth the trouble and the money. We have Rogers and Springs. By the time Springs retires, we will have another Rogers.

[IowaSkinsFan]

I think with a new coaching staff going into minnesota, they might feel that smoot isnt a good fit for the vikings and release him. I know smoot likes it here and he probably wouldnt mind coming back. do u think we should sign him back, if it was possible?

NO. WAY. MAN. He has shown his true colors playing for that team up there in Minny.

[santanadasavior]

NO. WAY. MAN. He has shown his true colors playing for that team up there in Minny.

Exactly, he's not a Gibbs football player. Never will be.

[2Cooley]

I'd bring him back because he is really a redskin at heart and everyone makes mistakes.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Exactly, he's not a Gibbs football player. Never will be.

On top of that, he's not as good as I thought. I should have taken off the B&G colored glasses when looking at him when he was here.

[BurgundyNGold]

I'd bring him back because he is really a redskin at heart and everyone makes mistakes.
That's a great avatar 2Cooley! Where did you get that?

[danny's stogie]

Would you get back together with an exgirlfriend who promised to stay only to dump you for a bigger loser, then rented a boat with a bunch of strippers and got arrested for doing carnal acts with those strippers? Hell no.....

...but the crazy girlfriends are always the most fun.

I'm pretty sure that this discussion is a moot point. I remember reading a week or so ago that Smoot would likely not be cut and that Brian Williams was the one out the door. If he is in fact cut then I don't see what's wrong with bringing him back for a year on the cheap. He always played hard as a Skin and its not like he's an axe murderer or a TO like cancer. Not to diminish the gravity of Smoot's actions, but it's not like he's the only pro athlete who has trouble keeping his you know what clean.

[EberKain]

I would take him back in a heartbeat, I know we could really have used him this year. Everyone makes mistakes, just forgive him for being and idiot and move on.

[X-Factor13]

yes i would. Because he was a good corner for us and now that he is humbled by his terrible experience in minnesota, he'll be motivated to play for his REAL team and will stay here for the rest of his career.


plus we REALLY REALLY need corners right now.

[silverspring]

I like smoot. But the thing is at this point i don't think it makes much sense whether you like smoot or not or even discounting his behavior.

We drafted rogers with a 1st rounder, he is playing well and should remain a starter next season. Springs has another couple seasons in him. I guess the question is whether Harris stays or not. I just don't see where smoot fits in, he would be slotted as our 3rd cb and I think he will be a lot more expensive then some of you might think. Smoot isn't super young anymore and his injuries continue to mount. He hasn't particularly bulked up which he apparently is going to need to do in order to survive in the nfl if he continues to play so physical. I like the idea of having a strong #3, williams defense is brutal on cbs but I just don't think smoot would fit in or be happy as the #3. I think it would be a lot smarter to hold on to harris, pick up a project cb or hold on to morton. Harris knows the system and although hasn't been playing great he is awesome at nickel and I don't think he will cost much more/less then smoot.

[CNYSkinFan]

Exactly, he's not a Gibbs football player. Never will be.

Well I would bring hiom back but opnly at vet minimum and only if Gibbs and GW are the coaches.

Here is my take on smoot. he has always been troubled, he got busted for MJ and dropped to the 2nd round of the draft because of it. he then worked his butt off to try and prove he is an elite corner. When he got his big bonus he got a big head and relaxed. Tice was not the strong arm he needed to reign him in and he went wild.

If Gibbs brings smoot back he would be hungry to prove he is a good corner again. He would be the nickle corner and woulkd have to work extra hard. He could be a nice bargain for one or two years, and with Gibbs he would be either under control or out the door.

If Gibbs wants him, then so do I.

[CamLwalk]

http://www.phatpimpclothing.com/hi/phatpimp/images/sm_party_smoot_new.jpg

A Viking fan friend of mine was wearing this shirt the other night.

[bgforever]

I like smoot. But the thing is at this point i don't think it makes much sense whether you like smoot or not or even discounting his behavior.

We drafted rogers with a 1st rounder, he is playing well and should remain a starter next season. Springs has another couple seasons in him. I guess the question is whether Harris stays or not. I just don't see where smoot fits in, he would be slotted as our 3rd cb and I think he will be a lot more expensive then some of you might think. Smoot isn't super young anymore and his injuries continue to mount. He hasn't particularly bulked up which he apparently is going to need to do in order to survive in the nfl if he continues to play so physical. I like the idea of having a strong #3, williams defense is brutal on cbs but I just don't think smoot would fit in or be happy as the #3. I think it would be a lot smarter to hold on to harris, pick up a project cb or hold on to morton. Harris knows the system and although hasn't been playing great he is awesome at nickel and I don't think he will cost much more/less then smoot.

Good point taken, as my flexibility with Smoot is very, very limited. I am not so sure, at this point in his career, he wouldn't come back as a #3 corner, but I see another problem with having him at #3. Do we discover Morton is far better than he and Jimoh, supplants Harris or at least solidifies the #3 spot, yet we lose him to FA, by grabbing Smoot? Morton's no rookie, but he's young, gifted and FITS perfectly into GW has in mind for a player to be multidimensional, not just catch passes on offense. Morton's a solid ST player, and TEAM player as well.

Smoot's a die hard player, never questioned that, but his want of a contract to cash in, is most likely still there with his agent and that means no more than a 1 yr contract. Basically its a long shot deal for both parties because 1 yr is a stop gap emergency type player at depth or a player that you have a keen interest in, but are willing to part with should the long term negotiations collapse. Smoot signing a 1 yr deal is not likely, yet not impossible.

[bgforever]

Yeah, but only for a contract 1/2 the size of the one we offered him last year, and if we make him wear an "I was an idiot to leave for hardly any more money" t-shirt on media days....

Or if he took us all out on a "Boat Trip" to apologize....

ooooo :lol1:

[Minnesota Mike]

I would not and it isn't because he left. Leaving teams to go to other teams is part of the world of pro sports. I wouldn't fault a guy for that.

But what I do have a problem is the things he said after he left. He wanted to leave the Redskins and go the Vikings because the Vikings have more of a winning tradition than the Redskins. That was a ridiculous comment and I wouldn't forgive that.

How many Lombardi Trophies have the Vikings won? There is your winning tradition.

[bgforever]

I would not and it isn't because he left. Leaving teams to go to other teams is part of the world of pro sports. I wouldn't fault a guy for that.

But what I do have a problem is the things he said after he left. He wanted to leave the Redskins and go the Vikings because the Vikings have more of a winning tradition than the Redskins. That was a ridiculous comment and I wouldn't forgive that.

How many Lombardi Trophies have the Vikings won? There is your winning tradition.


Again, the truth is refreshing to hear and with that, I would weigh our votes and IMO there aren't enough overwhelming votes to over ride the two facts.

He MADE A PROCLOMATION, not on assumption, but in parting, even though he knew full well the Skins offer was FAIR and the fact Smoot signed with Minnesota for an ESCALADE more is ridiculous! Truth is, he was a perfect SS protege' and NOT a GIBBS type of player. Therefore, he'd be good for only a yr deal, as many of us noted and nothing more. He made his bed, he has to sleep in it.

[silverspring]

Good point taken, as my flexibility with Smoot is very, very limited. I am not so sure, at this point in his career, he wouldn't come back as a #3 corner, but I see another problem with having him at #3. Do we discover Morton is far better than he and Jimoh, supplants Harris or at least solidifies the #3 spot, yet we lose him to FA, by grabbing Smoot? Morton's no rookie, but he's young, gifted and FITS perfectly into GW has in mind for a player to be multidimensional, not just catch passes on offense. Morton's a solid ST player, and TEAM player as well.

Smoot's a die hard player, never questioned that, but his want of a contract to cash in, is most likely still there with his agent and that means no more than a 1 yr contract. Basically its a long shot deal for both parties because 1 yr is a stop gap emergency type player at depth or a player that you have a keen interest in, but are willing to part with should the long term negotiations collapse. Smoot signing a 1 yr deal is not likely, yet not impossible.

His injury proneness is a huge consideration in my mind. This maybe a result of his hardnosed leave it all on the field I am 175 and I am going to try and level 250 pounder guys attitude which i love. But nevertheless how many shoulder injuries can a cover corner take. If he made it through this season without a major injury i might be leading this bandwagon but his body seems to be breaking more and more every season. His body must be 26 going on 35. And like you say we will probably get a short contract out of him and I think his career might be over a lot sooner then most because of this beating he is taking.
Additionally we need to groom someone to replace springs. Rogers seems awesome in almost all areas but i don't think he quite has the speed springs does. And while smoot proved to be a good #2 he is probably a step slower then rogers. We need a speed guy and that is why I just don't see where he fits. Cause if we are able to lock smoot in and then in a couple years springs retires or whatever. We are left with smoot and rogers. I just don't think that tandem is going to be enough. Smoot can't fill springs shoes so we are left in the lurch. So i don't see the fit making sense, he would just be a stop gap corner for us and that isn't what he wants or what we need, i would rather develop youth with upside.

[dj_stouty]

NO. He isn't worth the money for a nickleback.

[silverspring]

NO. He isn't worth the money for a nickleback.

a much more concise way of putting it...lol

[Spence]

The question is too general for me to really answer in the poll. I was in favor of letting Smoot walk because the Vikes made him an offer so crazy I thought Sebastian Janikowski had become their GM just before going on a 10-week bender. Smoot earns far too much money for a player who is really only a slightly above average cornerback. Sure, I'd have him back, but not at anywhere near his present salary.

[DarkLord91]

Oh hell yes. Rogers is trash.

[RedskinRyan]

i'd rather not, but if we did resign him, i would support the move.

[Redskin006]

No, he didn't want to stay, so he can stay somewhere else.

[Redskin006]

Oh hell yes. Rogers is trash.

Your kidding me right? I don't know what Rogers you've been watching, but he's a helluva football player and will be better than Smoot ever was for us.

[GolfFreak]

I put Yes, but don't think he's a Gibbs player with the whole character thing.

[HAWGZHEAD]

Oh hell yes. Rogers is trash.:confused:

[bgforever]

I put Yes, but don't think he's a Gibbs player with the whole character thing.

Exactly. Which is why the only way he'd get on the Skins is a 40% decrease and 1 yr conditional (must make the depth chart at #3) contract. Treat him like his first year.

[ryflan47]

Originally I voted yes. Now I have changed my mind on further thought. Why? Would you mess with the chemistry of this team?

[bgforever]

Originally I voted yes. Now I have changed my mind on further thought. Why? Would you mess with the chemistry of this team?

True. It is even more remote that Smoot could be on the Skins, with today's performance. However, a player with like ability and better judgement in other areas, highly likely.

I also remove Smoot from any serious consideration.

[forcefield58]

No way. He said he didn't like it here so why bring him back!!

[RoanokeSkin]

No thanks...dont need a high priced soft cover guy.

[LuvSkins17]

I don't think he said anything bad about the team. I think he spoke highly honestly. I still wouldn't want him back. He wouldn't be offered what we offered him before he bounced. No thanks.....

Whitney Houston would say "Hell to da Naw!".:drunker:

[The Iceman]

I like Smoot. I would bring him back.

Boat parties for everybody...........Yippie.

I don't have to bring my wife do I?

[BandWagon]

Sure, what did we offer him? $15mil and he took a hundred grand more?

[FanFromArizona]

I am not sure we absolutely need to have SMOOT back, but we do need to have another CB. We need a person that is capable of becoming our #2 Corner back that is also willing to assume the #3 nickleback. Truthfully, I would like to see us develop our talent there [Jimoh, Morton, Patterson] as our #4 Cb, with the goal to develop one of these as our #3 CB on the depth chart.

Our depth at CB is a concern that does need to be addressed, all too often we are finding ourselves depleted here due to injury. I am not sure who the answer is, I would like to get another CB that is not widely known, does not eat valuable cap space, that is willing to be our nickleback and has the capability to handle the #2 CB if pressed to do it. While I am on the wishlist, I would love to have someone that is YOUNG and with a few years left. I think we need to find this during our offseason, because I think in 2-3 years we are going to see Shawn Springs move to a safety position for us, so we need to find someone that we can develop and make us stronger, and be ready when Shawn moves to the safety position.

And no, I am not happy that our present short term solution is to put safeties in to fill in as cornerbacks. I will give accolades though to PP, he definitely has been STOUT in coverage.

[smoak]

Would you get back together with an exgirlfriend who promised to stay only to dump you for a bigger loser, then rented a boat with a bunch of strippers and got arrested for doing carnal acts with those strippers? Hell no.....

Sorry, but if my ex-girlfriend was renting the boat to get freaky with strippers, then heck yeah! ;)

Seriously, for league minimun or close to it? Sure. For big money, no way.

[Jero]

Check this out:
http://hailredskins.com/vbforum/showthread.php?t=31852

Still think you'd want him back?

[redskin_rich]

Why bother with this? It ain't happening. Smoot is gone, deal with it. He wasn't that good to begin with, he was decent but not irreplaceable.

[Dept_of_Defense]

I don't think Smoot would want to come back to be a #2 or #3 corner. We already have Carlos and Springs. Both are capable of being #1 and #2. He's not going to take a massive paycut to come here because there's no way he's deserving of top dollar anymore.

[BigDaddySkin]

For the right price.....yes:dalassuk:

[WorldBFree76]

No thanks, I'd much rather spend that money elsewhere.

[colkurtz]

I doubt Minnesota will cut him.

If they did cut him, I doubt the Redskins would offer him more than vet minimum plus incentives. He would be a nickle back or #3 CB and a two year solution. He is above average and played better than his size. I think he is better than Harris and for the right price, would fit back in here.

I doubt the Vikings will cut him.

[bgforever]

Sure, what did we offer him? $15mil and he took a hundred grand more?

Yep, the price for an fully equipped, top of line, da88 near armor plated Escalade.

[helimech24]

I voted no on the poll because I think it would be 1) a waste of a #1 pick in Carlos Rogers not to be the #2 CB, 2) couple of other areas need to upgraded, 3) we have a lot of young talent at CB that can be #3 if not better for less money.

I don't have a grudge against the guy, I just don't think he fits any more for the money he will want.

[ChiefPowhatan17]

I don't think we can afford his services. But, he would be great to get back. I think he was a pretty solid corner esspecially last year.

[chicago_skinz_fan]

It would be nice to have another shutdown corner, and would allow GW to even get crazier (If that is possible) with his blitzing schemes, we really need another reciever and that is where we should make a big splash in the offseason.

Someone said Eric Moulds, and I do like that, but I would rather see if we could get someone a bit younger. I heard that Reggie Wayne is going to be a free agent, that would be a great pickup!

[bgforever]

It would be nice to have another shutdown corner, and would allow GW to even get crazier (If that is possible) with his blitzing schemes, we really need another reciever and that is where we should make a big splash in the offseason.

Someone said Eric Moulds, and I do like that, but I would rather see if we could get someone a bit younger. I heard that Reggie Wayne is going to be a free agent, that would be a great pickup!


Uh, isn't Reggie Wayne the Colts WR, or is there a person with the same name out there? Never knew it, if it was.

[chicago_skinz_fan]

Yeah Reggie is the Colts WR but I was listening to Sirius a month or two ago and they were talking that he would be a FA after this season. Can anyone else out there confirm?

[Syllable]

We might need him Walt and Springs are both 30+ so we need another young cover cb.

[bgforever]

Yeah Reggie is the Colts WR but I was listening to Sirius a month or two ago and they were talking that he would be a FA after this season. Can anyone else out there confirm?

Well according Bill Polian, Peyton Manning and Marvin Harrison, their going to do what they can to keep him. Of course Reggie Wayne's looking to lead a team , every year, not just this one, so I think you're question is timely in that respect, but its let the buyer beware. Manning and Harrison' s cash is long and they can restructure, but for Edge, they may have to pass on him.

[helimech24]

We might need him Walt and Springs are both 30+ so we need another young cover cb.

After a #2 WR and a pass rushing DE, we should definitely make this our 3rd priority. But...Jimoh is starting to really come around, and Christian Morton didn't look bad either. If can develop these guys, we might have a couple of diamonds in the ruff right under our noses

[bgforever]

After a #2 WR and a pass rushing DE, we should definitely make this our 3rd priority. But...Jimoh is starting to really come around, and Christian Morton didn't look bad either. If can develop these guys, we might have a couple of diamonds in the ruff right under our noses

Thanks. Way I saw it , after careful deliberation yesterday. I am done talking about Smoot and the love boat.

[NCskinsfanatic]

I wouldnt mind having Smoot back, Harris is probably done after this season in B & G, Springs is getting a little older and jimoh is still a liability in man coverage. However, even if Minny releases him, I doubt our contract offer would be anywhere close to what he thinks he's worth...that and his pride probably wouldnt let him return so soon.

[colkurtz]

After a #2 WR and a pass rushing DE, we should definitely make this our 3rd priority. But...Jimoh is starting to really come around, and Christian Morton didn't look bad either. If can develop these guys, we might have a couple of diamonds in the ruff right under our noses

Good point. Abe Jimoh is still a ST monster and may get better as a #3 CB. This is a nice fantasy poll, but the truth is that Smoot is cashing in now for the money in the second half of his career. He's too expensive now - which is why Smoot left and Gregg Williams let him go ..............

[PennSkinsFan]

Ummmmmmm


NO FRIGGIN WAY!

Springs and Rogers baby!

Smoot is now a cancer. Look at his personal trouble sin Minnesota. Don't break checmistry when it is working, Smoot is the one that chose to leave a great situation.

[MONK_in_HOF]

I vote no.

I thank him for his efforts here in the past, but it appears he has been more trouble than help to the team he decided to leave us for. Hopefully the Skins will get a compensatory pick for him though.

[WinnpegSkinsFan]

NOOOO!!!

I think we have better corners right now in Rogers & Springs. We need to draft a corner this year and develop him as a replacement for Springs. Jimoh has improved this year - I wouldn't want him starting but as a dime corner & ST player he is fine. I think Harris is on the bubble, especially with his salary.

[redwolf1218]

no i would not bring him. i think his offer here was too much anyway, and the Vikings had the cap space to top it by front loading their offer. now Smoot, Gardner, Coles, and Pierce can all watch the playoffs.

[MoeRedskins]

I would take Smoot back. He took the bigger deal, I honestly can't blame him one bit for that. As far as him being a cancer to the team or whatever, I'm pretty sure Joe Gibbs and Gregg Williams would find a way to rectify that (if he is a cancer, which I don't think he is). Besides, I know everybody out there misses Silky Johnson's quotes.

[mexskins]

My vote is : No.

I really like Rogers and Springs. We can DRAFT other CB´s for development.

Hail from Mexico !!!

[redwolf1218]

I would take Smoot back. He took the bigger deal, I honestly can't blame him one bit for that. As far as him being a cancer to the team or whatever, I'm pretty sure Joe Gibbs and Gregg Williams would find a way to rectify that (if he is a cancer, which I don't think he is). Besides, I know everybody out there misses Silky Johnson's quotes.
i dont think he was a cancer here, it seems the guys all like him...it's just that he had to play off and give up the slants because he was not big enough to bump. then he would always hurt himself in run support because he was a beanpole, and not fast enough to hang with the speed receivers.

[CowboyKilla]

No, He left us for GREED. Siyornara.

[helimech24]

i dont think he was a cancer here, it seems the guys all like him...it's just that he had to play off and give up the slants because he was not big enough to bump. then he would always hurt himself in run support because he was a beanpole, and not fast enough to hang with the speed receivers.

To me this is a big downgrade from Carlos Rogers. Rogers may not be the fastest CB, but that is not needed in the GW defense since the CBs seem to be closer to the line than the safeties. IMO, I would rather have a bit bigger CB that can help in the run, and to cover in the zone.

[rskinsfan10]

I don't want anyone that doesn't want to be here.