We've Opened as 9 Point Dogs...

[EHoffman]

http://lines.therx.com/livelines/lines.html?sport=nfl&refresh=45&x=0&y=0

Time for another upset.

[dj_stouty]

Good! Hopefully the Seahawks will underestimate us just as much as Vegas is.

The Redskins have OWNED this franchise, by beating them 4 times in a row over the past 5 seasons. This Redskins team won't lay down...

[DUCKIN_TACKLERS]

Nine points is a bit much IMO. I dont think that will sit to well at Redskin Park. Maybe it will fire up the D and O to really Bring it.

[dj_stouty]

Nine points is a bit much IMO. .

No kidding. A pal of mine will be in Vegas as of Friday night. I'm definitely putting $ down on the game if the spread is still around 9.

[MONK_in_HOF]

9 points, that is fine by me. Hopefully Seattle will buy into it. Get well soon Shawn Springs, we will need you this week.

[DoGood]

Nine points is a bit much IMO. I dont think that will sit to well at Redskin Park. Maybe it will fire up the D and O to really Bring it.

Can you say "Bulletin Board Material". LET'S GO REDSKINS!!!

[28beerslater]

9 points! That really sucks. I'm a die hard seahawks fan and we have had some bad experiences being favored. We need to prove we can win a playoff game before we're favored by 9.

[DoGood]

This is retarded. We've beat them this season and we are on a 6 game winning streak. I shouldn't even dignify this thread with a post.

[robotfire]

Did anybody look at the schedule the Seahawks have played this year?

http://www.seahawks.com/schedule.aspx?SecID=41

They had three good wins (the Falcons, Cowboys, and the Giants), and they beat the Colts when the Colts weren't trying. The rest of their wins were:

- Arizona
- St. Louis
- Houston
- Arizona
- St. Louis
- San Francisco
- Philadelphia (AFTER all their players were gone)
- San Francisco
- Tennessee

They lost to the Jaguars, the Redskins, and the Packers.

So in other words, they beat two playoff teams if you count the Colts game, which I don't. And they only beat the Giants because Jay Feeley missed a hundred field goals in a row.

Clint

[BostonSkins]

TAKE THE POINTS!

We've ony been blown out once this year.

This game will be close. We stay within a TD no matter what.

[DoGood]

Did anybody look at the schedule the Seahawks have played this year?

http://www.seahawks.com/schedule.aspx?SecID=41

They had three good wins (the Falcons, Cowboys, and the Giants), and they beat the Colts when the Colts weren't trying. The rest of their wins were:

- Arizona
- St. Louis
- Houston
- Arizona
- St. Louis
- San Francisco
- Philadelphia (AFTER all their players were gone)
- San Francisco
- Tennessee

They lost to the Jaguars, the Redskins, and the Packers.

So in other words, they beat two playoff teams if you count the Colts game, which I don't. And they only beat the Giants because Jay Feeley missed a hundred field goals in a row.

Clint

That schedule NEVER ceases to amaze me! Arizona TWICE!?!?! San Fran TWICE!?!?! St. Louis TWICE!?!?!?! Thats a joke.

BTW: Post of the Day!

[helimech24]

I love this. Thank you Vegas, you just gave our team more of a reason to play with attitude.

[LuvSkins17]

You see how fast we go from : The NFC Team that no one should want to face in the playoffs.... to 9 point underdogs....

I like this. It will piss our guys off being UNDERDOGS after all we have been through this season. Im not upset about this at all. Hopefully they will be underestimating us after this game against the Buc's. They better believe that they watched our worst game of the season (minus the 1st Giants game). We may didn't do anything on offense, but hey,....... neither did the Bucs. Our Defense will be there for sure. The offense should score 30 points. Don't forget the defensive turnovers if we can get an early lead and make Matt H. have to drop back and get sacked for a fumble, or throw an interception. They better not sell us short. They will be sorry.

Just keep us off of the radar. We will show up at the big dance... Just like the Patriots did a few years back. (you remember about 4 years ago midway through the season "No Bledsoe, they are sunk..... Hey who's that Brady guy.... You mean The Pat's are in the Super Bowl? who would have thought?)

[CarMike]

Well said LUV!

Thats fine by me. But that's a suckers bet IMO...

If you're a betting man, take the Skins and the points!

[robotfire]

I love this. Thank you Vegas, you just gave our team more of a reason to play with attitude.

Football is a game of heart, more than any other game. They've been playing with heart the last 6 games, and I think you're right- this will make them play harder.

We're clearly in Bizarro World:

The Redskins lost to the Bucs but had a great offensive showing: GOOD GAME, SKINS!

The Redskins beat the Bucs by letting the defense win it: BOOOO!!!!!

Clint

[DoGood]

If my math is correct, Seattle's opponents are 110-147. Eww.

[Farmer Ted]

Well said LUV!

Thats fine by me. But that's a suckers bet IMO...

If you're a betting man, take the Skins and the points!

Come on, now! That isn't fair. The trophy case should definitely have a Starbucks coffee cup in it too.:)

[helimech24]

Come on, now! That isn't fair. The trophy case should definitely have a Starbucks coffee cup in it too.:)
:funpost: , and a couple of scones.

[Axegrinder]

It's not where you start,it's where you finish!!!:)

[GibbsRules!]

This is right up Gibbs' alley. Along with pointing out how many Pro Bowl players are on the Hawks compared to how many Skins are representing, he can emphasize how inferior they are to a team they already beat. :rolleyes:

[GolfFreak]

They'll be sorry they set the line that high. Bulliten board material!!!

[MONK_in_HOF]

It's not where you start,it's where you finish!!!:)

That is what I was thinking. It will be intersting to see how this line moves throughout the week.

[vabeach_skinsfan]

Seattle should be highly concerned baout playing against us. That spread is deceiving, don't believe the hype.

[redskin_rich]

Any of you that want to lay bets better lock in now, because that spread will go down, especially if the weather is going to be bad.

[28beerslater]

For you Redskins fans that can read, the seahawks got no respect from the media and never have so you may want an update on the team.

Check this out:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=citadel-2_486682_114&prov=citadel&type=story

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

For you Redskins fans that can read, the seahawks got no respect from the media and never have so you may want an update on the team.

Check this out:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=citadel-2_486682_114&prov=citadel&type=story
you're on a REDSKINS fan board, you might want to watch the shots you take.

[smoak]

For you Redskins fans that can read, the seahawks got no respect from the media and never have so you may want an update on the team.

Check this out:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=citadel-2_486682_114&prov=citadel&type=story


I am not happy with that comment at all. It takes a brave person to come to a message board and take pop shots.

Regarding the spread, 9 points is about right. Lets hope the team is offended and has a solid week of practice.

[Biggie]

For you Redskins fans that can read, the seahawks got no respect from the media and never have so you may want an update on the team.

Check this out:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=citadel-2_486682_114&prov=citadel&type=story

Too bad that the Redskins had basically the exact same injuries you had, if not worse. Half our team played hurt this year. Our offensive linemen played with no thumbs.

[CNYSkinFan]

For you Redskins fans that can read, the seahawks got no respect from the media and never have so you may want an update on the team.

Check this out:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=citadel-2_486682_114&prov=citadel&type=story

Gee and that is because Seattle has done so much throughout the year, beating up on the NFC West and a Colts team that could care less.

Seattle is a paper champion...they will fall this week.

[LATrueRedskin]

Look at the schedules, guys. Who has Seattle really played? I'm feeling better and better about this game the more I think about it.

[DoGood]

For you Redskins fans that can read, the seahawks got no respect from the media and never have so you may want an update on the team.

Check this out:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=citadel-2_486682_114&prov=citadel&type=story

OK. What exactly in that article retorted that argument of the Seahawks having an inconceivably soft schedule? The seahawks are obviously a good team and no one on this board is disputing that. But the fact that their opponents have posted a record of 110-147 is tough to ignore. The Redskins match up very well with the seahawks and I am wondering how the media is going to put a spin on the Redskins success after we beat yet another good team on the road.

HAIL TO THE REDSKINS

[DoGood]

Look at the schedules, guys. Who has Seattle really played? I'm feeling better and better about this game the more I think about it.

And you should! St. Louis, TWICE! San Fran, TWICE! Arizona, TWICE! Skins are battle tested and led by a man that would NEVER underestimate his opponent.

HAIL TO THE REDSKINS

[FanFromArizona]

28beerslater,

I have to take exception to your poor choice of words ["To all the Redskin fans who can read"], hR is a great place to discuss football and NOT innuendo, you have come to the wrong place to make baseless charges, the site you need to be looking for is called extremeskins.com.

Now, if you wish to engage in meaningful football dialogue, you have come to the right site. I will take you up on the content of the link you have provided us with:

1. We played a rather tight game for all 60 minutes against your team, albeit in Redskin nation.

2. We were just coming together as a team when we played you in Week 3, and we are a much DIFFERENT team this time around. I am sure you would say the same about your team. This is a new season and we can match up with your team just the same.

3. Your defense is average for the NFL and ours is coming on strongly the last couple of weeks. Your defense will not be able to hold us like Tampa's and Philly's defense have. We are battled tested and have a winning streak that is meaningful. And of all the playoff teams, we had the strongest strength of schedule during the regulation season .

3. I find it kind of ironic that the best the article can state you have a good team is by comparing your team to the rest of the NFC west. Pa leaze!
Is that the best the article can do? Even the article states the following: "Considering the Seahawks beat only two teams that made the playoffs (the media darling Indianapolis Colts and the N.Y. Giants, even though most of you say the Giants “should have” won that one in Seattle) I will not argue the point." Not exactly an overwhelming endorsement from someone you would call a homey.

[LATrueRedskin]

And you should! St. Louis, TWICE! San Fran, TWICE! Arizona, TWICE! Skins are battle tested and led by a man that would NEVER underestimate his opponent.

HAIL TO THE REDSKINS

Not only that: Houston, Tennessee, Green Bay, and a freebie from Indy. Like I said in another thread, that's ten games. Meanwhile, we've been battle-tested by some of the best teams either the NFC and AFC can offer.

I'm not saying it won't be an extremely hard game and that the Seahawks are a bad team (if they were a bad team, they would have lost to all those sorry teams), but saying the Seahawks can play at 75% and beat the Redskins in a playoff game is laughable. I hope everybody over there, both the Seahawks and the fans, believe that. I know Coach Holmgren isn't.

[FanFromArizona]

Not only that: Houston, Tennessee, Green Bay, and a freebie from Indy. Like I said in another thread, that's ten games. Meanwhile, we've been battle-tested by some of the best teams either the NFC and AFC can offer.



One link: http://www.nfl.com/standings/conference

Three words: Strength of Schedule

Who's the winner of all the teams in the playoffs? That's right! Us! The winner next week in Seattle.

[LATrueRedskin]

One link: http://www.nfl.com/standings/conference

Three words: Strength of Schedule

Who's the winner of all the teams in the playoffs? That's right! Us! The winner next week in Seattle.

And look in who's in last place by far. :)

Again, I'm not declaring victory by any means. Seattle has earned their spot and has had a chance to prepare and get healthy while we truck on and get dinged up a bit. I'm just putting some facts and stats out there.

[DoGood]

And look in who's in last place by far. :)

Again, I'm not declaring victory by any means. Seattle has earned their spot and has had a chance to prepare and get healthy while we truck on and get dinged up a bit. I'm just putting some facts and stats out there.

Facts and stats that I would try to ignore if I was a hawks fan.:)

HAIL TO THE REDSKINS

[FanFromArizona]

And look in who's in last place by far. :)

Again, I'm not declaring victory by any means. Seattle has earned their spot and has had a chance to prepare and get healthy while we truck on and get dinged up a bit. I'm just putting some facts and stats out there.

Neither am I declaring victory, but I honestly think this game is a crapshoot at best. As John Madden would say,

"They can only be as good as the teams they play. You can't blame them for winning against the teams they played against."

[EHoffman]

Neither am I declaring victory, but I honestly think this game is a crapshoot at best. As John Madden would say,

"They can only be as good as the teams they play. You can't blame them for winning against the teams they played against."
I think that's the main point people are missing. Sure, they've had an easy schedule, but they've trounced just about every one of the bad teams they've faced. Their losses have been to legitimite teams. The Seahawks are not a push-over, an easy victory, or even a victory if our offense can't step up.

[FanFromArizona]

For what this is worth, but we are about to see 3 road team wins this weekend, with the only exception being New England.

Even more so, all 4 winning teams have either had the same or worse record than the losing team, so it shows the schedule this year was QUITE light/unfair [cough cough New York cough cough] and the better teams came out triumphant this weekend.

[santanadasavior]

I liek beign big dogs. It gives us bulletin board material and we won't get bigheaded.

[KMDeMuth]

Yea i noticed that...crazy. I was 'looking' at some seahawks forums when i saw it on there. Those guys are a lil bit over-confident, over on those sites. Their focus isnt on the Redskins, but on who "they are playing in the nfc championship game". Thats crazy, over confidence is one thing, but for the majority of a fan base to more or less blow off a playoff game...like they are playing the Texans the last game of the year....stupid.

They had an EASY schedule and they lost to us with a basicly new qb starting (not saying brunell is a rookie, just new to the changes). Brunell had no timing with moss, patten or cooley. offensive line was still meshing and geting used to playing together AND we had injuries in the backfield on defense (have all year though).

I am not saying this game is a easy or hard one. I am simply saying this spread is a joke and the seahawks fans better hope the coaching staff/players arent thinking like they do. (dont go trolling though!) :banghead:

[redwolf1218]

I liek beign big dogs. It gives us bulletin board material and we won't get bigheaded.
same here. print it out and hang it on the wall. no respect. let the guys prove themselves.

[ryflan47]

same here. print it out and hang it on the wall. no respect. let the guys prove themselves.
Exactly. Just that much more motivation for us.

[Redskin Scott]

IMNSHO Seattle is way overrated, and has been all year. What has this organization ever won?

[helimech24]

We don't want respect until we beat you
-ST

[OCSKINSFAN]

I think we should remember that we have a lot of disadvantages to overcome: Seattle has an extra week of rest, is playing at home, does not have to travel, and is playing in their time zone. In addition, I'm concerned about our injuries. When you lose a first stringer there is always a drop off (how much depends on who was injured and the backup) - Wynn, Thomas, and Patton. Further, I'm not sure of the extent of injury to Brunell, Portis, and Springs. Now Thrash is also injured (broken thumb). Brunell and Portis concern me the most as they are critical to the offense. Let's hope they get heathier fast.

On the other hand, I like the ridiculous pointspread. As noted by others, it provides extra motivation for the Skins. It would be nice if Seattle does look past the Skins and/or plays at 75%.

BEAT SEATTLE!!!!!!

[The Skinsinator]

I was expecting around 8 so that figure isn't too surprising. It's going to be a very difficult game and I haven't been more weary of going into this one coming up in quite some time.

[cmdlost29]

TAKE THE POINTS!

We've ony been blown out once this year.

This game will be close. We stay within a TD no matter what.

I agree. I'm betting on the points, get in early because by mid week Vegas will move the line to a more respectable 7 points.

[BurgundyNGold]

We'll see. Considering our anemic offense the last game and a half, I think the odds makers are looking for takers at 9. Seattle's defense is not Tampa's, so I expect a better offensive performance this week. That'd better happen too because Seattle's offense is not Tampa's. They can put some points up and beat a team.

[smoak]

IMNSHO Seattle is way overrated, and has been all year. What has this organization ever won?

Throw out the history books. At one point, that was the argument against the Redskins. We had never won anything and we were going against the big bad Cowboys... And we all know how that worked out don't we? ;)

[Paintedbird]

The oddsmakers have it right. The real bet here is that Brunell is still hurt but will play anyway, which will result in an anemic offense. That's hard to argue with. Here's hoping Brunell's ok or Ramsey takes most of the snaps, in which case we'll kick butt.

[dj_stouty]

The oddsmakers have it right. The real bet here is that Brunell is still hurt but will play anyway, which will result in an anemic offense. That's hard to argue with. Here's hoping Brunell's ok or Ramsey takes most of the snaps, in which case we'll kick butt.

We will "kick butt" if Ramsey takes most of the snaps?

Ladies and gentlemen...Ramsey's agent has just entered the forums...

[ChiefPowhatan17]

I really hope Seattle underestimates us. I hope they think we are as bad as all of the "experts" say we are.

[28beerslater]

HEY REDSKINS FANS WHAT ARE YOU MAD ABOUT????
I would love to be the underdog. Right now Seattle is in a bad position in terms of expectations. Most non-biased fans think Seattle will roll over the Skins but nobody seems to realize how tough they will be. This is almost a no-win situation for Seattle, well not really, but the pressures on us. I would be happy to be underdogs by 9.5 points. I would want to be underdogs by as much as possible. Last time I checked the spread meant absolutely nothing in terms of playing football.

[akhhorus]

HEY REDSKINS FANS WHAT ARE YOU MAD ABOUT????
I would love to be the underdog. Right now Seattle is in a bad position in terms of expectations. Most non-biased fans think Seattle will roll over the Skins but nobody seems to realize how tough they will be. This is almost a no-win situation for Seattle, well not really, but the pressures on us. I would be happy to be underdogs by 9.5 points. I would want to be underdogs by as much as possible. Last time I checked the spread meant absolutely nothing in terms of playing football.

The only consist prediction I've heard is that it will be a very close game. I believe that. The 9.5 point spread is ridiculous. And Tamp was a 2.5 point favorite and we beat them by 7.

[helimech24]

We'll see. Considering our anemic offense the last game and a half, I think the odds makers are looking for takers at 9. Seattle's defense is not Tampa's, so I expect a better offensive performance this week. That'd better happen too because Seattle's offense is not Tampa's. They can put some points up and beat a team.

This is what I am worried about. To me, the Pitt/Indy game is the same as the Skins/Pigeons game. If we can keep the score down, we have a great chance of winning. If the Pigeons score 24+ points, we are going to be struggling to keep up. They are an explosive team that lives on the big pass plays and constant runs of Alexander. We limit them on offense, and we will win this game.

[Spence]

Vegas didn't get built by giving away money. Consider that when thinking about the 9-point spread.

[redcayman]

Its funny in the beginning of the week I was totally happy with what we have accomplished. I wanted to win but to be honest not as bad as I wanted to beat the cowboys and the giants. But the more I see from the so called experts, the media and the Seahawks have really started to piss me off. Im ok being the underdog but the lack of respect for a team the beat 4 out of the five other playoff teams is starting to wear on me. I WANT THIS GAME SO BAD its not even funny. I hope our guys are seeing this lack of respect and come to play on SAT. Goodluck fellas and HTTR!!

[Farmer Ted]

The oddsmakers have it right. The real bet here is that Brunell is still hurt but will play anyway, which will result in an anemic offense. That's hard to argue with. Here's hoping Brunell's ok or Ramsey takes most of the snaps, in which case we'll kick butt.

I was looking for a place to put this, and this seemed as good as anywhere. I was just checking out Brunell's career playoff stats on pro-football-reference.com. Aside from the game last week, his worst stat-line in his other 8 playoff starts was this:

5/9; 105 yds; 2 TD; 0 Int.

The TD's are obviously nice, but otherwise it's pretty unspectacular. You'd figure it was a close game, and that the jags probably lost. They didn't. They won 62-7. Over Jimmy Johnson's Miami Dolphins, ending his career as an NFL coach. One of the greatest non-Redskins football moments in my life. Stats don't mean everything, particularly anemic ones. We can win this game if we run the ball effectively and don't turn it over.

[redskin_rich]

The 9-pt spread has nothing to do with what Vegas thinks will happen in the game. They set the spread wherever they have to to split the bets as evenly as possible. Vegas does not want lopsided betting, because then they could lose money. Even betting means they lose nothing but gain 10% from the losers.

Remember when the Rams and the Patriots were in the Super Bowl? Vegas had the Rams favored by 16 pts. How did that work out? Vegas didn't care, they split the bettors in half like they always do.

[helimech24]

Vegas didn't get built by giving away money. Consider that when thinking about the 9-point spread.

Yes they do, at least that is what I see on that thing called a TV. They give away rooms, and food, and concert tickets, and call girls. :lol1:

If they kept the game close, people would be picking all the Seahawks because they are the clear favorites with a 8-0 record (no matter how weak) and the horrible offensive production of the Skins down in TB.

[colkurtz]

Better to be the underdogs and under-estimated at this point in the post season. Some may over look us toward the future, which goes to our advantage....