Terrell Owens to the Redskins?

[skins4life24]

Stephen A is a moron, he's trying to stir the pot up. Rememeber, two years ago during the NBA finals after game 1 in LA, he said that there is no way the Pistons would win a game in the series agasint Kobe, Shaq and the lakers. Lets see, how did the season end up........oh yeah, they pulled of four straight victories and won the NBA championship. Some kind of analyst huh?
technically the pistons won the first game of that series . . . it was game two they lost because of kobe's last second shot.

[DoGood]

I actually voted for Barry Bonds on that list. I don't hate TO really, just don't want him here.

How could you hate TO? He single-handedly destroyed the eagles. I love the guy.:)

[Smurf85]

Okay i agree this guy is a b**** well not a b**** a big b****.Either way if we gave him a one year contract i would be all for it.From what i have seen with TO, is that he will give you one year without being a complete b****.If we signed him for a year he would keep his mouth shut because he would want a bigger contract next year.So sign him for a year so Portis can get 1800+ yds and when a SUPERBOWL!If we dont win a SUPERBOWL then send him off to the next team.If everything else fails let Sean Taylor pull a gun on him LOL.

[DoGood]

Okay i agree this guy is a b**** well not a b**** a big b****.Either way if we gave him a one year contract i would be all for it.From what i have seen with TO, is that he will give you one year without being a complete b****.If we signed him for a year he would keep his mouth shut because he would want a bigger contract next year.So sign him for a year so Portis can get 1800+ yds and when a SUPERBOWL!If we dont win a SUPERBOWL then send him off to the next team.If everything else fails let Sean Taylor pull a gun on him LOL.

Welcome to hR Smurt85. You might want to tone down the masked profanity before the Mods git cha. That is a touchy spot and they don't tolerate it. Here are the guidelines.

http://hailredskins.com/vbforum/announcement.php?f=6

[HAWGZHEAD]

Welcome to hR Smurt85. You might want to tone down the masked profanity before the Mods git cha. That is a touchy spot and they don't tolerate it. Here are the guidelines.

http://hailredskins.com/vbforum/announcement.php?f=6I think he is actually using that from someone elses post in this thread. But the rule remains.

[helimech24]

How could you hate TO? He single-handedly destroyed the eagles. I love the guy.:)

LOL, it was all part of Gibbs master plan. T.O. wasn't getting calls from Baltimore during the San Fran deal, it was Washington all along.:lol1:

[xpostxscript]

You serious? I thought It was Baltimore all along before he got traded?

[helimech24]

You serious? I thought It was Baltimore all along before he got traded?

No, I am joking around.

[BigPlayJay]

You don't know this. For all we know the Skins could have been seconds away from pulling off a Lavar for Moss deal.

It was made very public at the end of last season they were not interested.

[BigPlayJay]

Sorry CNY, but I don't take any coach or GM or athlete at their word when it comes to things like this, not even Joe Gibbs. The only time when things are 100% certain is when things are done and in writing and even then strange things can happen. Maybe the deal was about to happen, but he never told Lavar because he didn't want him to know how close he was to being a Viking. Do you think that after a deal fell through that JG would come out publicly and say to Lavar we wanted to trade you? I'm not saying that it did happen or that I don't believe JG in this instance, but I'm inclined to take anything said to the media with a grain of salt.

Wasn't your response to me "You don't know that"? I'm the one with the facts here and your admiting you have no idea whether they were interested or not. I don't get where your coming from on this.

[BigPlayJay]

How could you hate TO? He single-handedly destroyed the eagles. I love the guy.:)

Good post! Sooooo true.

[danny's stogie]

Wasn't your response to me "You don't know that"? I'm the one with the facts here and your admiting you have no idea whether they were interested or not. I don't get where your coming from on this.

Your "facts" are a statement made by a coach to the media. What coaches, players, owners, and management say and do are often two entirely different things. Unless you're a conjoined twin attached to a non-visible part of Joe Gibbs and are with him 24/7 you have no clue whether or not the statements he made about Lavar and Moss are true. Now I'm inclined to believe that it never happened, but there are reasons why, if the trade almost did occur and fell apart in the end, JG would deny the existence of a trade. So I find it a bit laughable that you know with 100% certainty that JG hasn't at least consiered the possibility of signing TO based on your 100% certain knowledge that the Skins didn't at least consider Moss.

[BigPlayJay]

Your "facts" are a statement made by a coach to the media. What coaches, players, owners, and management say and do are often two entirely different things. Unless you're a conjoined twin attached to a non-visible part of Joe Gibbs and are with him 24/7 you have no clue whether or not the statements he made about Lavar and Moss are true. Now I'm inclined to believe that it never happened, but there are reasons why, if the trade almost did occur and fell apart in the end, JG would deny the existence of a trade. So I find it a bit laughable that you know with 100% certainty that JG hasn't at least consiered the possibility of signing TO based on your 100% certain knowledge that the Skins didn't at least consider Moss.

So a statement from a man such as Joe Gibbs means nothing because you think that he could possibly be lying. I bet you would sing a different tune if Coach Joe were standing next to you. It's pretty sad to question our coaches integrity just to back up a point on a message board.

By the way, I never said the thought would not cross through his mind....... it would have to enter his mind before he could think the next thought which is ........no way!

I still think there is no way the Redskins are interested in TO. If it turns out I am wrong, you can tell me what an idiot I am, and I'm sure you will.

[HAWGZHEAD]

So a statement from a man such as Joe Gibbs means nothing because you think that he could possibly be lying. I bet you would sing a different tune if Coach Joe were standing next to you. It's pretty sad to question our coaches integrity just to back up a point on a message board.

By the way, I never said the thought would not cross through his mind....... it would have to enter his mind before he could think the next thought which is ........no way!C'mon, what he is saying is that coaches aren't always 100% truthful with the media. Why would you want to go out and announce something that could possibly beconstrued and twisted into negative media for your team. Noone is calling Gibbs a liar, give it a rest.

[BigPlayJay]

C'mon, what he is saying is that coaches aren't always 100% truthful with the media. Why would you want to go out and announce something that could possibly beconstrued and twisted into negative media for your team. Noone is calling Gibbs a liar, give it a rest.

The point is, there are no facts to back up what he is saying, and yet the Redskins backed up what I am saying.

[danny's stogie]

So a statement from a man such as Joe Gibbs means nothing because you think that he could possibly be lying. I bet you would sing a different tune if Coach Joe were standing next to you. It's pretty sad to question our coaches integrity just to back up a point on a message board.

By the way, I never said the thought would not cross through his mind....... it would have to enter his mind before he could think the next thought which is ........no way!

Honestly, I could give a rat's turd whether JG is honest during his press conferences, but do I think he's lying, no, not really, but do I see a situation in which he would lie, yes. Am I questioning his integrity? No, not all, I'm pragmatic and so I realize that things said in press conferences aren't neccessarily factual.

As for me thinking that he could possibly be lying...the possibility that Joe Gibbs could be lying is not a theory on my part, it is a fact. When people make a statement about something they are presented with two options: tell the truth or lie. Now that is a fact. Even Joe Gibbs is presented with that option.

But getting back to the original point, using the Randy Moss situation as evidence against the signing of TO requires about twelve steps of logic to connect the dots. First of all, we don't know for sure that they didn't want Moss. Maybe a deal was close to happening and we weren't told about it. Maybe the financial stuff wouldn't have worked so they had to pass despite interest. Maybe the FO found out Moss didn't want to play in DC even though Gibbs wanted him. Maybe Gibbs didn't like Moss's lethargic on the field attitude, while having no problem with his issues off of it and that was the impetus behind not trading for him, a scenerio which would in no way preclude signing TO. Etc, etc, etc.

[danny's stogie]

I still think there is no way the Redskins are interested in TO. If it turns out I am wrong, you can tell me what an idiot I am, and I'm sure you will.

No, it's all guesses, theories, and predictions and no one will get everything right or everything wrong. There's no reason to call anyone out for any prediction they made as long as it is supported using logic.

[BigPlayJay]

Honestly, I could give a rat's turd whether JG is honest during his press conferences, but do I think he's lying, no, not really, but do I see a situation in which he would lie, yes. Am I questioning his integrity? No, not all, I'm pragmatic and so I realize that things said in press conferences aren't neccessarily factual.

As for me thinking that he could possibly be lying...the possibility that Joe Gibbs could be lying is not a theory on my part, it is a fact. When people make a statement about something they are presented with two options: tell the truth or lie. Now that is a fact. Even Joe Gibbs is presented with that option.

But getting back to the original point, using the Randy Moss situation as evidence against the signing of TO requires about twelve steps of logic to connect the dots. First of all, we don't know for sure that they didn't want Moss. Maybe a deal was close to happening and we weren't told about it. Maybe the financial stuff wouldn't have worked so they had to pass despite interest. Maybe the FO found out Moss didn't want to play in DC even though Gibbs wanted him. Maybe Gibbs didn't like Moss's lethargic on the field attitude, while having no problem with his issues of it and that was the impetus behind not trading for him, a scenerio which would in no way preclude signing TO. Etc, etc, etc.

My main point was the character issue and Joe Gibbs' crtiteria for picking players which Theisman said, and was repeated on comcast over and over recently.
The one line about Moss was just an afterthought for me because I have never had any reason to believe there was any interest in him last year. It seems like if there were any it would have been reported by "unidentified sources within the Organization". I really had no idea that anyone would want to dispute that point and if I had I wouldn't have put it in.

[redskin_rich]

Look folks, Gibbs and co will discuss and review EVERY possible player that is available and probably a few that aren't. That means TO and every other talented misfit, journeyman or practice squad project. I'm sure that no staff crosses anybody off their list before doing some review of the player, however short or long the time spent is.

Now whether they will bring them in or not is the topic here and it's purely opinion, since none of us are a scout, coach or in the Redskins front office. My opinion is that TO won't be playing in DC in '06, unless he is on the visiting team.

[santanadasavior]

Look folks, Gibbs and co will discuss and review EVERY possible player that is available and probably a few that aren't. That means TO and every other talented misfit, journeyman or practice squad project. I'm sure that no staff crosses anybody off their list before doing some review of the player, however short or long the time spent is.

Now whether they will bring them in or not is the topic here and it's purely opinion, since none of us are a scout, coach or in the Redskins front office. My opinion is that TO won't be playing in DC in '06, unless he is on the visiting team.

I agree with you that I don't think he will be a Redskin, but if he does become one, I will support him and I hope that no one gives him hell and makes him crazy, wait, crazier. WE have to support every desision made.

[BigPlayJay]

I agree with you that I don't think he will be a Redskin, but if he does become one, I will support him and I hope that no one gives him hell and makes him crazy, wait, crazier. WE have to support every desision made.

You're right about that. Even Deon didn't deserve to be booed by his home crowd like he was. I would cheer for TO if he were on our side. If you think about it, he would be really motivated to beat the Eagles.:Padawan:


I still don't want him, and don't think the Skins will either.

[sdredskinsfan]

TO was not happy with McNabb as his QB, how do you think he is going to be when Brunell has one of his off games like the 2nd Bucs one. Thats a time bomb waiting to explode. TO would find something wrong with Montana in his prime, had he played with Montana. Once again, his comments are derived from a characterological deeeefect. He won't change.

[helimech24]

Look folks, Gibbs and co will discuss and review EVERY possible player that is available and probably a few that aren't. That means TO and every other talented misfit, journeyman or practice squad project. I'm sure that no staff crosses anybody off their list before doing some review of the player, however short or long the time spent is.

Now whether they will bring them in or not is the topic here and it's purely opinion, since none of us are a scout, coach or in the Redskins front office. My opinion is that TO won't be playing in DC in '06, unless he is on the visiting team.How do you know? Maybe they are spying on us.;)

[smoak]

What are you doing reading GQ.Are you one of those metro sexual type of guys ?:) Just joking.

LMAO! google is my friend.

[BigPlayJay]

New info on TO

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5292520

[GolfFreak]

New info on TO

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5292520

Rather him go there than Dallass. I saw this on the NFL ticker. Is Rod Smith coming back for another year? Him, TO and Lelie would be a force.

[BigPlayJay]

Rather him go there than Dallass. I saw this on the NFL ticker. Is Rod Smith coming back for another year? Him, TO and Lelie would be a force.

I haven't heard that Smith isn't coming back so I assume he's playing.

I actually can't stand Denver, but that would be a good place for TO to go because we won't be playing them the next three years, unless it's in the Super Bowl.

[helimech24]

New info on TO

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5292520
I didn't see any mention of T.O. seeking a trade with us in that article. And I must say, I am pretty happy about that.

[helimech24]

If anyone cares, they are going to talk about T.O. going to denver on the 11pm sportscenter. and probably repeated all night, and into the morning.

[santanadasavior]

I didn't see any mention of T.O. seeking a trade with us in that article. And I must say, I am pretty happy about that.

Amen. No need for that clown. If he comes, we must support him though. But until that day, we shall rip him as much as we please.

[BtwnDaTackles]

Wouldnt mind taking TO at all... i just really dont see there being a problem with the coaching style of Coach Gibbs and TO at all man....Bottom line, Problem free TO will do nothing but help us get to Super Bowl Again....

[smoak]

Owens is talking with Denver:

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nfl/article/0,2777,DRMN_23918_4428704,00.html

[DoGood]

Owens is talking with Denver:

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nfl/article/0,2777,DRMN_23918_4428704,00.html

Thank goodness!:)

I just don't even want the temptation to go after him.

[CNYSkinFan]

Owens is talking with Denver:

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nfl/article/0,2777,DRMN_23918_4428704,00.html
I am saying a prayer now. Send the mile high ego to the mile high city.

[DoGood]

I am saying a prayer now. Send the mile high ego to the mile high city.

:lol1: Well done.

[HAWGZHEAD]

Thank goodness!:)

I just don't even want the temptation to go after him.

The Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Miami Dolphins and New York Jets also are believed to have interest in Owens.
I'd rather see him go to the Jets. It would be maybe 2 days before he starts complaining about the QB's there. They deserve him.

Is Ashley Lelie leaving Denver? Seems like I heard a rumor on that.

[helimech24]

I'd rather see him go to the Jets. It would be maybe 2 days before he starts complaining about the QB's there. They deserve him.

Is Ashley Lelie leaving Denver? Seems like I heard a rumor on that.
At least he doesn't have to worry about Coles being a real threat.

[Skinsguy1]

Is Ashley Lelie leaving Denver? Seems like I heard a rumor on that.


Ashley Lelie would be an interesting pickup, and considering Al Saunders has had to play the guy a twice a year, i'm sure he's pretty familiar with his ability.

[smoak]

Ashley Lelie would be an interesting pickup, and considering Al Saunders has had to play the guy a twice a year, i'm sure he's pretty familiar with his ability.

I'd take a chance on him for an incentive laden contract, but he always seems to show just enough promise without delivering much else. Plus his strength (going long) are the opposite of what we need.

[The Skinsinator]

At least he doesn't have to worry about Coles being a real threat.Very true Helimech24. Way to analyze the situation lol.

[Skinsguy1]

I'd take a chance on him for an incentive laden contract, but he always seems to show just enough promise without delivering much else. Plus his strength (going long) are the opposite of what we need.

Yea I agree with you...In my fantasy league the last two years he was supposed to be the breakout receiver and has yet to deliver in really any of the statistical categories.

[colkurtz]

I think that TO's main concern, besides always thinking about himself, is to win a SB ring.

TO will go to a team that has a chance to get to the big game. That is why he didn't want to go to the Ratbirds and went to Philly instead. That's why he wanted out from the 49ers dismal organization. He wants that ring bad.

The fact that the Redskins are much improved this season and are just a couple players away from the top level is not lost on TO. I had originally thought that TO would go to Atlanta to follow Vick - now I think he will shy away from that team, as threy have faded.

IMHO, IF Gibbs wants to take the plunge - TO might be very interested in the Redskins.

[colkurtz]

I think that Donovan McNabbs SB performance last season convinced TO that the Eagles could never take it all the way to a SB victory within the next few years. Hence he tried to talk, bs and complain his way off the Iggles team. Certainly one of the biggest misfires and self-inflicted destruction in recent memory.

Whoever TO plays for - I predict he will be quieter and more low profile than before. He has felt the huge sting of a vengeful media and will shy away from that for awhile.

[SonnyandSam]

I think that TO's main concern, besides always thinking about himself, is to win a SB ring.

TO will go to a team that has a chance to get to the big game. That is why he didn't want to go to the Ratbirds and went to Philly instead. That's why he wanted out from the 49ers dismal organization. He wants that ring bad.

The fact that the Redskins are much improved this season and are just a couple players away from the top level is not lost on TO. I had originally thought that TO would go to Atlanta to follow Vick - now I think he will shy away from that team, as threy have faded.

IMHO, IF Gibbs wants to take the plunge - TO might be very interested in the Redskins.

I'm sure TO would love to play for the Skins. And Rosenhous would love to hook TO up with Danny. After all, Rosenhous and Snyder seem to get along quite well.

I just don't see Gibbs taking the plunge. He is much too big on team chemistry this time around. He keeps preaching about the importance of being a Redskin, a core Redskin. He preaches to his players not to do anything to embarrass the team or the heritage of the team. Look at how he dumped Coles...and that was a minor behind the door bitching from Coles.

Joe just is not desperate enough to take on TO. Yes, the guy is incredibly talented. I just do not understand how ANY Redskin fan could advocate signing this jerk. He has destroyed two good quarterbacks and two good teams.

I want to watch my team win next year.....not watch the TO soap operat week after week after week.

Next StooooP......Everyone off the TO Bandwagon........PLEASE?!

[techskinsfan]

mike and mike this morning are sayin that kc is very interested in him...thatd be an interesting situation with him and herm...herm is a real standup guy...man but lj gonzolez and to on the field at the same time would be nasty...as long as to goes to the afc im cool

[Redskin4Life]

I'm sure TO would love to play for the Skins. And Rosenhous would love to hook TO up with Danny. After all, Rosenhous and Snyder seem to get along quite well.

I just don't see Gibbs taking the plunge. He is much too big on team chemistry this time around. He keeps preaching about the importance of being a Redskin, a core Redskin. He preaches to his players not to do anything to embarrass the team or the heritage of the team. Look at how he dumped Coles...and that was a minor behind the door bitching from Coles.

Joe just is not desperate enough to take on TO. Yes, the guy is incredibly talented. I just do not understand how ANY Redskin fan could advocate signing this jerk. He has destroyed two good quarterbacks and two good teams.

I want to watch my team win next year.....not watch the TO soap operat week after week after week.

Next StooooP......Everyone off the TO Bandwagon........PLEASE?!
I'm not so sure about destroying TWO good QBs?!?!? What's Garcia done without TO??? Nothing except get himself kicked off of TWO BALL CLUBS desparate for a QB. I don't think Garcia was a real QB. And anyone that knows me or has read ANY of my postings related to McNabb knows what I think about McNabb's QB skills (or lack thereof).

I'm with colkurtz in thinking that TO saw there was NO CHANCE of Philly getting better and with the way they let great players go without paying them (unless your name starts with a 'D', ends with a 'N' and the rhymes with 'Ronovan') probably scared him. Scared him enough into his dummy rant so he can get off the team.

As far as Coach being desperate enough, I don't think JG is desperate but I think he'll take a chance on him cause I think the three things TO needs to be successful again is: 1) a great coach that mutually respects each other; 2) a veteran QB that the whole team respects and will shut out TO if he talks too much; 3) ownership that will reward a player for his actions. IMHO, I think there's only 3 ballclubs you can find this environment.... New England, Dallas and us.

The reason I feel this way is just watching the 49ers playoff game against the Packers. A man that literally cries in joy from scoring the winning TD... that's the kind of guy we want. The QB then was Steve Young and he knew how to handle egos (Jerry Rice was the reason TO is the way he is). Brunell and JG can handle TO. I really think that Coach (who's had a history of taking on questionable guys) could get him to play here and be happy.

Plus look at TO's other options. Denver and Miami won't work for him cause of their QB situs (no one on that Denver team really trusts Jake and who's the QB in Miami this week). TO won't be happy about the gutting of the team and youth movement they're gong to have to have in Tampa and New York.

So you ask why is it different here than in Philly or SF?? Well, 49ers decided to go through a youth movement a year or two before TO left. Now why would someone like TO, who loves to win and covets getting a ring, hope and wait for his chance for that if the organization is more concerned about money??? So he WHINED off the team. And of course, everyone in Philly knows about ownerships' philosophy of pay NO ONE unless you're the QB and throw the coach under the bus for the mistakes of a RB-playing-QB. The Iggles are about to go through the same dismantling that the 49ers did a few years back. TO saw the writing on the walls...

I'm not saying that TO is a core Redskin... but then again, who is? I thought Laverneous Coles was one. I thought Antonio Pierce was one. I thought Fred Smoot was one too. So maybe TO really is a core Skin, he (and all of us) just didn't know it yet...

[techskinsfan]

i really think there is zero chance he will end up with the skins. even though teams will be weary about to's off the field troubles there will still be a bidding war once hes released. lets be honest a team is gonna give to the money he wants so that he goes there, and gibbs won't, and prolly cant cuz of cap restriants, give him more than a minimum contract because of his risks. to will get paid, just not by the skins

[Redskin4Life]

mike and mike this morning are sayin that kc is very interested in him...thatd be an interesting situation with him and herm...herm is a real standup guy...man but lj gonzolez and to on the field at the same time would be nasty...as long as to goes to the afc im cool
I think the only reason there's interest on KC's behalf is cause of Denver (a division rival) courting him. But could you imagine what the AFC West would look like if TO went to KC??? Moss-Porter, LT, LJ, TO.... Denver would never win a game again in division.

[helimech24]

I think the only reason there's interest on KC's behalf is cause of Denver (a division rival) courting him. But could you imagine what the AFC West would look like if TO went to KC??? Moss-Porter, LT, LJ, TO.... Denver would never win a game again in division.Why would that be bad,lol. I hate Denver.

[colkurtz]

I'm sure TO would love to play for the Skins. And Rosenhous would love to hook TO up with Danny. After all, Rosenhous and Snyder seem to get along quite well.

I just don't see Gibbs taking the plunge. He is much too big on team chemistry this time around. He keeps preaching about the importance of being a Redskin, a core Redskin. He preaches to his players not to do anything to embarrass the team or the heritage of the team. Look at how he dumped Coles...and that was a minor behind the door bitching from Coles.

Joe just is not desperate enough to take on TO. Yes, the guy is incredibly talented. I just do not understand how ANY Redskin fan could advocate signing this jerk. He has destroyed two good quarterbacks and two good teams.



I agree. My point was that the Redskins have improved enough for a guy like TO, who is chasing a SB ring, to consider our team. TO will only go to a team that is really in the SB hunt. Denver is the prime candidate, because they think TO is the missing piece to get to the next level.

The real question is whether Joe Gibbs wants him. I kind of doubt it, because there are others who fit more into the mold the team is trying to create.

[danny's stogie]

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/9201384

A T.O. FOR T.O.

More and more, it's looking as if the Eagles are going to be able to extract some form of compensation for disgruntled wide receiver Terrell Owens.

Sports Illustrated's Peter King will be reporting on Wednesday night's Inside the NFL that the Redskins are the latest entrant into the T.O. sweepstakes, and definitely the most intriguing. Redskins owner Daniel Snyder thrives on making high-profile acquisitions, like this one would be. Plus, it would be yet another boost to a Redskins offense that already has added offensive coordintor Al Saunders.

But now that the Redskins are involved, and possibly willing to give up a first-day draft pick, the Cowboys are likely to follow suit. Hard to imagine Cowboys owner Jerry Jones just sitting back and watching Snyder add another marketable commodity to his stable in Washington without doing anything.

Also, Chiefs president Carl Peterson is saying that Kansas City needs to take a look at T.O., shortly after Kansas City's division rival Broncos brought T.O. to Denver for a visit.

The Dolphins are interested, the Buccaneers will be interested, and so, amazingly, there will be no shortage of suitors for Owens, who now looks destined to be dealt.

Smart money is now on Washington. Redskins are the favorite.

Let the riots begin.

[CNYSkinFan]

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/9201384



Let the riots begin.

where is my sword. I am going to commit suicide right now.

[CNYSkinFan]

btw if anyone out there who has posts in their past wanting LAvar off the team primarily because he whines too much come out for TO, I will be forced to point out your hypocracy and quite possibly challenge you to a duel

:swars:

[Redskin4Life]

Why would that be bad,lol. I hate Denver.
Who said that was bad??? Not me... I don't care for Denver either.

[danny's stogie]

where is my sword. I am going to commit suicide right now.

No need to rush...I'll be passing out cyanide pills at the next sky is falling meeting.

[Redskin4Life]

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/9201384



Let the riots begin.
Is this for real???? TO in B&G would be sweet!!! But giving up a first day pick in the process???? I don't know about that...

[redskin_rich]

where is my sword. I am going to commit suicide right now.
LOL, I think I will start smoking crack, it will be easier on my heart than seeing TO in the Burgundy and Gold.

[greatest2]

T.O. behaves for 1 year, then causes trouble the next year no matter where he goes....

IF we do sign him (HOPEFULLY NO!) i will be behind him becuase he is in BUrgandy and gold, but we can't appease him when he say's somethin' on camera or does something stupid, like yell at coach's. As soon as it happens suspension for a game, no matter how much it hurts us, it will help us in the long haul

I don't want TO, but he probably would behave for the 1st year he is with a club....just something to think of

[CNYSkinFan]

No need to rush...I'll be passing out cyanide pills at the next sky is falling meeting.
Why is it every off season someone reports we are dealing a top draft pick or player for the head case of the month?

I can only hope the Redskins are feigning a move in that direction to up the ante on Dallas.

[CNYSkinFan]

T.O. behaves for 1 year, then causes trouble the next year no matter where he goes....

IF we do sign him (HOPEFULLY NO!) i will be behind him becuase he is in BUrgandy and gold, but we can't appease him when he say's somethin' on camera or does something stupid, like yell at coach's. As soon as it happens suspension for a game, no matter how much it hurts us, it will help us in the long haul

I don't want TO, but he probably would behave for the 1st year he is with a club....just something to think of

I don't buy that argument. He behaves PUBLICLY for a year, but in the lockerroom he starts to plant the seeds of divisiveness. Anyone thinking that the rift between TO and McNabb just hpappened last off season is crazy. What about the meltdown on the sideline. Look how Freddie Mitchell called out Donovan after the Superbopwl.

TO is a cancer and the only cure is not signing him in the first place.

[helimech24]

No need to rush...I'll be passing out cyanide pills at the next sky is falling meeting.I chose the blue pill.

[helimech24]

Who said that was bad??? Not me... I don't care for Denver either.
I wasn't really saying that you thought it was bad. I was really making a semi-joke/semi-statement.

[chrisbcbu]

Lets send Ramsey over there!! LOL im only kidding!!

[Redskin4Life]

CNY, how do you know that the cancer on that team isn't the "love for McNabb"?? Why would other players on the team have any beef with McNabb unless there was some truth to it?? McNabb is ALWAYS the one not to be blamed for a loss. It's the D or the coaching staff or the fact they don't have a #1 WR. I think the players ALWAYS hated McNabb and all the "love" he gets from upstairs. TO was just the spokesperson for everyone's headaches with the Iggles FO and Donovan...

Makes more sense to me why more than 2-3 players from the Eagles lockerroom were ready to throw McNabb under the bus. Not to mention the fact that you can visibly SEE him struggling on the field.

Hey, guys in the NFL offices. You spent all that money and effort to see if ST actually SPIT on Pittman. How about spending some of that money and time to see if McNabb threw up during the SB. I know he's done literally choked on his vomit during a game in JAX....

[Redskin4Life]

I wasn't really saying that you thought it was bad. I was really making a semi-joke/semi-statement.
Same here... I got the tone. I guess it's hard to reciprocate.

[PA Skins Girl]

I will NOT support this team EVER again if they sign TO. Period.

[Redskin4Life]

Lets send Ramsey over there!! LOL im only kidding!!
They need a QB, we need a WR. Makes sense. LOL.

[CNYSkinFan]

CNY, how do you know that the cancer on that team isn't the "love for McNabb"?? Why would other players on the team have any beef with McNabb unless there was some truth to it?? McNabb is ALWAYS the one not to be blamed for a loss. It's the D or the coaching staff or the fact they don't have a #1 WR. I think the players ALWAYS hated McNabb and all the "love" he gets from upstairs. TO was just the spokesperson for everyone's headaches with the Iggles FO and Donovan...

Makes more sense to me why more than 2-3 players from the Eagles lockerroom were ready to throw McNabb under the bus. Not to mention the fact that you can visibly SEE him struggling on the field.

Hey, guys in the NFL offices. You spent all that money and effort to see if ST actually SPIT on Pittman. How about spending some of that money and time to see if McNabb threw up during the SB. I know he's done literally choked on his vomit during a game in JAX....

Look are you actually taking TO's side because you believe TO or because you love his talent and want him to be a Redskin. TO has a history of dividing the lockerroom. He completely divided San Fran and then went and divided Philly.

McNabb was near hero status in Philly because he played on a broken leg and propelled a team with mediocre talent to near the Superbowl 3 straight years. Take a look at what happened to Philly after Donovan went down this year. That shows you the talent that they have around Donovan.

Whether the split was already there when TO got there or not, TO preyed upon that divisiveness and made it explode into the public scene. What possible good could come from that? None. Just like no good could come from TO signing with the B&G.

[CNYSkinFan]

I will NOT support this team EVER again if they sign TO. Period.

I don't know if I can go that far since I love the Redskins and I love Joe Gibbs. But this could be another JEff George/Deion Sanders size mistake by Snyder and Gibbs. I definitely feel what you are saying thoug PAskinsgrl.

[chrisbcbu]

I will NOT support this team EVER again if they sign TO. Period.

No matter who they signed i would NEVER stop rooting for the Skins.

Now i will be upset if they signed TO, but if Gibbs wants TO here then i will welcome him. Hell if Gibbs told me to jump off a bridge i would probably do it.

[skinswin]

If Gibbs wanted him and talked to him and felt it would be okay, then I'd welcome T.O. with open arms.

But at this point, I think it's a pipe dream. Too many teams are interested in him. Denver and Kansas City are on the record saying they are interested in him.

[DoGood]

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/9201384



Let the riots begin.

What? Hahaha, this is crazy. Is this guy credible? He seems quite convinced. Ohno. I was just about to respond to this thread and ask everyone if we could stop talking about T.O.. Then I saw this.

I am not really in favor of getting him and NEVER expected us to be this interested if the article is accurate. But if it is, if he is "Gibbs' guy" then I'm all for him and much of hR would feel the same way. We would have to give up something very valuable for him. It mentions a first-day draft pick but we don't have one this year. I wonder what they are talking about.

I really don't know what else to say. I'm stunned.

HAIL TO THE REDSKINS

(Edit: I forgot second rounders go on the first day too.)

[Redskin4Life]

Look are you actually taking TO's side because you believe TO or because you love his talent and want him to be a Redskin. TO has a history of dividing the lockerroom. He completely divided San Fran and then went and divided Philly.

McNabb was near hero status in Philly because he played on a broken leg and propelled a team with mediocre talent to near the Superbowl 3 straight years. Take a look at what happened to Philly after Donovan went down this year. That shows you the talent that they have around Donovan.

Whether the split was already there when TO got there or not, TO preyed upon that divisiveness and made it explode into the public scene. What possible good could come from that? None. Just like no good could come from TO signing with the B&G.
All I'm saying is maybe the locker room in Philly isn't as strong as we're led to believe. A lot of players that were dropped or let go due to being "too old" were not happy with the organization. Why couldn't it be possible that the FO in Philly is nothing more than a Benson-like organization that doesn't care about anything else except for the all-mighty dollar. They never get the tools they need to win in Philly. They always get close but are so stingy with spending that they don't even sign they're own players back?!?!

Yes, TO opened his mouth and spouted off. But then again, he could have been baited. Or he could have been the "badassador" for the "why does McNabb get away with murder" fan club???

TO's talents are amazing but again, has he been caught with his pants down, trying to pull a Kobe? No. Has he been a model citizen in the community? Yes. Does he do drugs or have a drinking problem? No. Does he have a good to great work ethic? Yes. Will he play his heart out for you? Yes. The biggest problem with TO, does he have an attitude problem? YES. Do you not have any faith in Joe to fix that???

[Redskinfan28]

No matter who they signed i would NEVER stop rooting for the Skins.

Now i will be upset if they signed TO, but if Gibbs wants TO here then i will welcome him. Hell if Gibbs told me to jump off a bridge i would probably do it.

I don't buy that the Redskins are interested. The best thing for TO, and the Eagles for that matter, is to float the rumor that alot of teams are interested to (1) drive the salary demands up and what he will get paid and (2) alot of teams are willing to give up a high draft pick to the Eagles for his rights.

[DoGood]

I will NOT support this team EVER again if they sign TO. Period.

That's very harsh. Little if nothing could alter my complete devotion of the Redskins.

[CNYSkinFan]

All I'm saying is maybe the locker room in Philly isn't as strong as we're led to believe. A lot of players that were dropped or let go due to being "too old" were not happy with the organization. Why couldn't it be possible that the FO in Philly is nothing more than a Benson-like organization that doesn't care about anything else except for the all-mighty dollar. They never get the tools they need to win in Philly. They always get close but are so stingy with spending that they don't even sign they're own players back?!?!

Yes, TO opened his mouth and spouted off. But then again, he could have been baited. Or he could have been the "badassador" for the "why does McNabb get away with murder" fan club???

TO's talents are amazing but again, has he been caught with his pants down, trying to pull a Kobe? No. Has he been a model citizen in the community? Yes. Does he do drugs or have a drinking problem? No. Does he have a good to great work ethic? Yes. Will he play his heart out for you? Yes. The biggest problem with TO, does he have an attitude problem? YES. Do you not have any faith in Joe to fix that???

No...but not because I doubt Joe Gibbs. TO's problems are not your typical run of the mill spoiled athlete problems. It is much deeper and broader then that. It deals with his childhood and though it is a tragedy, at 32 it is no longer an excuse. TO is who he is and no, he is not going to change.

Thinking any different is beyond fantasy, it borders on lunacy. TO will cause problems.

Just as Jeff George destroyed a team that went to the playoffs and was only a few players away, So will TO if he is brought here. IT will be a big mistake, and although I will root for my Redskins, I will never root for him.

[DoGood]

I don't buy that the Redskins are interested. The best thing for TO, and the Eagles for that matter, is to float the rumor that alot of teams are interested to (1) drive the salary demands up and what he will get paid and (2) alot of teams are willing to give up a high draft pick to the Eagles for his rights.

That's what I first thought but that dude seemed very resolute.

[smoak]

I will NOT support this team EVER again if they sign TO. Period.

We are not going to sign him... WOW!!! As I am typing this, 980 reports we are interested in getting him and possibly giving up a pick for him.

PASG - We'll just form a support group and get through it if it happens. We are letting any sheep leave the flock just cause there is a wolf lurking. :D

[DoGood]

We are not going to sign him... WOW!!! As I am typing this, 980 reports we are interested in getting him and possibly giving up a pick for him.

PASG - We'll just form a support group and get through it if it happens. We are letting any sheep leave the flock just cause there is a wolf lurking. :D

:lol1: Smoak just pulled a 180 in .5 seconds.

[Redskin4Life]

Look are you actually taking TO's side because you believe TO or because you love his talent and want him to be a Redskin. TO has a history of dividing the lockerroom. He completely divided San Fran and then went and divided Philly.

McNabb was near hero status in Philly because he played on a broken leg and propelled a team with mediocre talent to near the Superbowl 3 straight years. Take a look at what happened to Philly after Donovan went down this year. That shows you the talent that they have around Donovan.

Whether the split was already there when TO got there or not, TO preyed upon that divisiveness and made it explode into the public scene. What possible good could come from that? None. Just like no good could come from TO signing with the B&G.
CNY, are YOU serious about McNabb?!?!?!?!? Just look at his stats. He's NEVER been better than a 50% completion guy. He's always had at least a top 10 D. And has NEVER won a game without TO if the opponent scores 24... 24 pts?!?!?! Doesn't that sound like our team last year???? Don't be fooled into thinking that Donovan is a good QB. He's choked all those "wins" away by himself. The Tampa game was all him, not the coaching staff. The Carolina game was his fault, not the defense. The St. Louis game was his fault as well. And you can't argue that last drive in the SB wasn't his fault completely. When OLineman are ready to hike the ball, the QB should be under center not walking up the field like he's taking his dog out for a walk.

I'm not taking a side either way. I'm just being open to what's going on... McNabb is a great RB, not QB. Garcia sucks (if he was really a good QB why don't more teams want him). Hard to argue against TO on this point of his.

[smoak]

CNY, are YOU serious about McNabb?!?!?!?!? Just look at his stats. He's NEVER been better than a 50% completion guy. He's always had at least a top 10 D. And has NEVER won a game without TO if the opponent scores 24... 24 pts?!?!?! Doesn't that sound like our team last year???? Don't be fooled into thinking that Donovan is a good QB. He's choked all those "wins" away by himself. The Tampa game was all him, not the coaching staff. The Carolina game was his fault, not the defense. The St. Louis game was his fault as well. And you can't argue that last drive in the SB wasn't his fault completely. When OLineman are ready to hike the ball, the QB should be under center not walking up the field like he's taking his dog out for a walk.

I'm not taking a side either way. I'm just being open to what's going on... McNabb is a great RB, not QB. Garcia sucks (if he was really a good QB why don't more teams want him). Hard to argue against TO on this point of his.

Stop the insanity. Donovan is a very, very good QB. Does he have flaws? Sure. Is he sometimes hot and cold? Yes. But McNabb is a great QB. We can argue stats later (I have a 2:30), but I love the way McNabb plays (except in big games).

[Redskin4Life]

No...but not because I doubt Joe Gibbs. TO's problems are not your typical run of the mill spoiled athlete problems. It is much deeper and broader then that. It deals with his childhood and though it is a tragedy, at 32 it is no longer an excuse. TO is who he is and no, he is not going to change.

Thinking any different is beyond fantasy, it borders on lunacy. TO will cause problems.

Just as Jeff George destroyed a team that went to the playoffs and was only a few players away, So will TO if he is brought here. IT will be a big mistake, and although I will root for my Redskins, I will never root for him.
I can't give you the Jeff George argument. He is supposed to be the team leader. He's the one with the ball in his hands. If he's going to be a spoiled brat, that changes any chance for the team to win.

Now tell me this. What has happened from the TO that was crying for catching a game-winning TD in 98 to the TO we see now? No vet QB to tell him to settle down, no strong lockerroom prescience other than TO, no Coach and/or FO that respects his abilities and he respects back.

We can argue about this all night, CNY, but I'm still a TO fan. I don't like his attitude but I think with the right team and support system, he won't act like this. Corey Dillon changed for NE. Why can't TO for us?

[Redskin4Life]

Stop the insanity. Donovan is a very, very good QB. Does he have flaws? Sure. Is he sometimes hot and cold? Yes. But McNabb is a great QB. We can argue stats later (I have a 2:30), but I love the way McNabb plays (except in big games).
Smoak, come on now. We've already argued this point to death between each other. Let's just leave it at: I don't like Donovan as a QB and you do. Truce?

[DoGood]

Stop arguing about Donovan McNabb. Talk about this crazy article.

[BurgundyNGold]

I will NOT support this team EVER again if they sign TO. Period.
Whoa, whoa, whoa. The team is more important than any one player. Otherwise, neither of us would've been a fan for 20+ years. I don't like TO either, but let's not get TOO hasty. We all as fans lived through Deion [blech!] Sanders, we can make it through this.

[Redskin4Life]

Stop arguing about Donovan McNabb. Talk about this crazy article.
Sorry. I get easily ralled up by the "McNabb is a great QB" comment. I'll shut up about DM now....

[helimech24]

I don't buy that the Redskins are interested. The best thing for TO, and the Eagles for that matter, is to float the rumor that alot of teams are interested to (1) drive the salary demands up and what he will get paid and (2) alot of teams are willing to give up a high draft pick to the Eagles for his rights.I think you are right, or I at least hope you are.

[DoGood]

Does anyone have an opinion about how credible and knowledgeable this Adam Schefter is?

I'm still stunned to read this.

[BurgundyNGold]

T.O. behaves for 1 year, then causes trouble the next year no matter where he goes....
That's pretty much my thoughts too. Giving up a first day pick for a rent-a-player like that is bad business, IMO.

[BurgundyNGold]

Why is it every off season someone reports we are dealing a top draft pick or player for the head case of the month?

I can only hope the Redskins are feigning a move in that direction to up the ante on Dallas.
I'm glad I'm not the only person who though that.

[DoGood]

That's pretty much my thoughts too. Giving up a first day pick for a rent-a-player like that is bad business, IMO.

T.O.'s price will be very high indeed. His services will be very valued.

[BurgundyNGold]

Sorry. I get easily ralled up by the "McNabb is a great QB" comment. I'll shut up about DM now....
McNabb is a "very good" QB. It is the rare QB that is "great" who never wins the big game. Dan Marino is the only one that immediately comes to mind.

[helimech24]

Whoa, whoa, whoa. The team is more important than any one player. Otherwise, neither of us would've been a fan for 20+ years. I don't like TO either, but let's not get TOO hasty. We all as fans lived through Deion [blech!] Sanders, we can make it through this.Or Michael Westbrook or Jeff George or Norv Turner or SS or Shane Matthews or Trung Canidate. There have been way to many mistakes over the last decade to make such a violent move

[BurgundyNGold]

T.O.'s price will be very high indeed. His services will be very valued.
Sorry, but your post sounded like a fortune cookie. :D

Anyway, I don't think the compensation in the way of a first day pick is worthwhile for a known cancer. It's not a matter of "if" with TO, it's a matter of "when".

[DoGood]

If this article is accurate and he is "Gibbs' Guy", then I'm all for him coming here. However, it is way to early for Gibbs to even have talked to Owens and I think someone just picked up that we are "interested" in him. We have just as much a right as everyone else to be interested in him.

However, Schefter seemed very confident that we are the new front runner.

Smart money is now on Washington. Redskins are the favorite.

[helimech24]

That's pretty much my thoughts too. Giving up a first day pick for a rent-a-player like that is bad business, IMO.Would it be if we won the superbowl next year because of adding T.O.? San Fran won in big part for picking up Deion Sanders for one year. I don't want him either, just playing devils advocate

[CNYSkinFan]

CNY, are YOU serious about McNabb?!?!?!?!? Just look at his stats. He's NEVER been better than a 50% completion guy. He's always had at least a top 10 D. And has NEVER won a game without TO if the opponent scores 24... 24 pts?!?!?! Doesn't that sound like our team last year???? Don't be fooled into thinking that Donovan is a good QB. He's choked all those "wins" away by himself. The Tampa game was all him, not the coaching staff. The Carolina game was his fault, not the defense. The St. Louis game was his fault as well. And you can't argue that last drive in the SB wasn't his fault completely. When OLineman are ready to hike the ball, the QB should be under center not walking up the field like he's taking his dog out for a walk.

I'm not taking a side either way. I'm just being open to what's going on... McNabb is a great RB, not QB. Garcia sucks (if he was really a good QB why don't more teams want him). Hard to argue against TO on this point of his.

I don't care if McNabb couldn't throw a football farther then 2 yards. What do you think TO will do with an aging Brunell and a young Jason Campbell? Say everything is grat and hunky dory.

And BTW I would take McNabb anyday over TO and three times on Sunday. McNabb is a good QB and had a bad game in the Superbowl. So does that deserve an arrogant punk WR blowing up the team the next year? NO.

I am not going to argue McNabb's merits because tat is a false argument. Just the same kind of argument TO would hope to use to deflect away from his irresponsible arrogant antics over his entire career. It is always someone else's fault.

TO needs to be a man, he is lmost my age for Christ's sake. It is time he grew up and acted like a man in public and not a fool blaming everyone else for his failures.

[danny's stogie]

Does anyone have an opinion about how credible and knowledgeable this Adam Schefter is?

I'm still stunned to read this.

I know it's a lot of he said she said, but Schefter is reporting that Peter King will report this on tonight's Inside the NFL. Peter King is a pretty solid source.

[DoGood]

Would it be if we won the superbowl next year because of adding T.O.? San Fran won in big part for picking up Deion Sanders for one year. I don't want him either, just playing devils advocate

Owens would be far better than any player selected with our first-day selections...

[CNYSkinFan]

I can't give you the Jeff George argument. He is supposed to be the team leader. He's the one with the ball in his hands. If he's going to be a spoiled brat, that changes any chance for the team to win.

Now tell me this. What has happened from the TO that was crying for catching a game-winning TD in 98 to the TO we see now? No vet QB to tell him to settle down, no strong lockerroom prescience other than TO, no Coach and/or FO that respects his abilities and he respects back.

We can argue about this all night, CNY, but I'm still a TO fan. I don't like his attitude but I think with the right team and support system, he won't act like this. Corey Dillon changed for NE. Why can't TO for us?

But you see Jeff George was NOT the team leader. OR at least he was not supposed to be. He was supposed to be the backup to Rob Johnson. But as soon as George came into camp there were two sides Norv and some players wanted Johnson, SNyder and his new mercenaries wanted Jeff George. The team never recovered from the split.

The same split will happen, I guarantee you, with TO. Except it will be TO vs Moss and TO vs. Brunell over Campbell or Campbell over Brunell. It will be a complete mess and I jsut don't understand why anyone would be a fan of an arrogant messed up wide receiver who continually is his own worst enemy.

I rather be a fan of Dmac then Terrell Owens. At least DMac can sing.

[HAWGZHEAD]

I'm scared....

[DoGood]

I know it's a lot of he said she said, but Schefter is reporting that Peter King will report this on tonight's Inside the NFL. Peter King is a pretty solid source.

Not only does it say that we ARE interested, but Schafter believes we are the "front runner". There is a difference.

I'm kind of excited in a "what's going to happen?" way.

[danny's stogie]

I'm scared....

...Reggiew Wayne to the rescue!!!!?

[DoGood]

The same split will happen, I guarantee you, with TO. Except it will be TO vs Moss and TO vs. Brunell over Campbell or Campbell over Brunell. It will be a complete mess and I jsut don't understand why anyone would be a fan of an arrogant messed up wide receiver who continually is his own worst enemy.

We sure have a lot of variables this offseason to be adding a dynamite stick into the equation.

[bosshog001]

No chance

[redskin_rich]

Not only does it say that we ARE interested, but Schafter believes we are the "front runner". There is a difference.

I'm kind of excited in a "what's going to happen?" way.
You like train wrecks, do you?

[helimech24]

Owens would be far better than any player selected with our first-day selections...For one year. After the first year, he will probably want to move on again and destroy a team. But it could work, and it would be worth it if we got the SB.

[DoGood]

You like train wrecks, do you?

On occasion.:)

[CNYSkinFan]

...Reggiew Wayne to the rescue!!!!?

Don't tease me.

[helimech24]

...Reggiew Wayne to the rescue!!!!?:lol1: How about that receiving corp...T.O., Wayne, Moss, Patten. To many big egos to work, but it would be great.

BTW, 7 more to go for the 3k

[wewantdallas]

Boy, I sure hope this doesn't happen. I refuse to believe it will until I see it. Owens will totally douse the fire this team has tried so hard to build the last two years. This team is on the brink of being a solid winner. Why take ANY chances on destroying all that with the circus act that is T.O.?

[DoGood]

TALK PEOPLE! My mind is racing.

[HAWGZHEAD]

...Reggiew Wayne to the rescue!!!!?Please!!!

[DoGood]

:lol1: How about that receiving corp...T.O., Wayne, Moss, Patten. To many big egos to work, but it would be great.

BTW, 7 more to go for the 3k

No, that receiving corp would be dysfunctional.

[redskin_rich]

If the unthinkable happens and TO does end up in DC, he better not be expecting to wear #81. :Padawan:

[DoGood]

If the unthinkable happens and TO does end up in DC, he better not be expecting to wear #81. :Padawan:

That's a concern of mine as well.

[CNYSkinFan]

If the unthinkable happens and TO does end up in DC, he better not be expecting to wear #81. :Padawan:
Oh God I had not thought about that....

MY Sword My Sword...give me my sword so I can fall on it!!!!!!

[helimech24]

No, that receiving corp would be dysfunctional.Who would be the #1,#2,#3 WRs?:lol1:

[danny's stogie]

I don't care if McNabb couldn't throw a football farther then 2 yards. What do you think TO will do with an aging Brunell and a young Jason Campbell? Say everything is grat and hunky dory.

And BTW I would take McNabb anyday over TO and three times on Sunday. McNabb is a good QB and had a bad game in the Superbowl. So does that deserve an arrogant punk WR blowing up the team the next year? NO.

I am not going to argue McNabb's merits because tat is a false argument. Just the same kind of argument TO would hope to use to deflect away from his irresponsible arrogant antics over his entire career. It is always someone else's fault.

TO needs to be a man, he is lmost my age for Christ's sake. It is time he grew up and acted like a man in public and not a fool blaming everyone else for his failures.

You know, there is one gigantic positive about signing TO...you wouldn't have to worry about missing the a Skins game because the Giants or Bills local coverage gets in the way. A full 16 games of national coverage next year.



Who would be the #1,#2,#3 WRs?

Just have them all run routes to the same spot, throw the ball up and then let them figure out who catches it.

[CNYSkinFan]

You know, there is one gigantic positive about signing TO...you wouldn't have to worry about missing the a Skins game because the Giants or Bills local coverage gets in the way. A full 16 games of national coverage next year.
Nah...they would still show those scrubs no matter what. But we would get more Monday/Sunday night games.

[DoGood]

I find it interesting that the article does not say HOW the Redskins are the latest entrant into the T.O. sweepstakes. They could have just gave someone a call or, in the extreme case, held a meeting with him.

[dj_stouty]

If TO becomes a Redskin, I may have to change my opinion on never boo'ing Redskins at Fed Ex.

:banghead:

[DoGood]

If TO becomes a Redskin, I may have to change my opinion on never boo'ing Redskins at Fed Ex.

:banghead:

I just don't hold those views.

[HAWGZHEAD]

If the unthinkable happens and TO does end up in DC, he better not be expecting to wear #81. :Padawan:We should make him wear -1 if he comes here.

[Cowboys Suck]

If the unthinkable happens and TO does end up in DC, he better not be expecting to wear #81. :Padawan:

He wouldn't...would he?!?!?! Oh yeah, this is TO we're talking about.

Let the division begin.

[helimech24]

I find it interesting that the article does not say HOW the Redskins are the latest entrant into the T.O. sweepstakes. They could have just gave someone a call or, in the extreme case, held a meeting with him.If they held a meeting with him, we would know already. I am sure there are reporters just following T.O. around to see where he goes next. But it is kinda wierd that they just appeared in the sweepstakes.

[smoak]

If the unthinkable happens and TO does end up in DC, he better not be expecting to wear #81. :Padawan:

Now you want to talk about not rooting for the Skins ever again!!! Thankfully that fluffer-nutter Spurrier is gone and Gibbs would not allow that!

:sfight:

But Owens is not coming here. Trust me.

[smoak]

Who would be the #1,#2,#3 WRs?:lol1:

IMO nothing and nobody changes Moss as the real threat on this team. If Owens were to come along, he'd have to fall in line and be mostly a possession WR.

[lakeskin]

Our team will be mentioned in connection with every well known FA this summer with absolutely no evidence to back up such outlandish claims. "Dont be suprised to see the Redskins get involved in the Shaun Alexander sweepstakes..." Idiots. Until they actually have a meeting with TO that both sides confirm then I won't believe anything the media says regarding our interest in TO. Im still waiting for Samari Rolle and Randy Moss to don their skins uniforms from last season.

[DoGood]

The mysterious "Art" is sure of himself that the Redskins interest in his is for other reasons than to sign him such as driving up other bidders like dallas. He have pretty extensive access to the Redskins so I would pause to consider his opinion. I don't really buy that because that would be a lot of trouble to go through and I don't think dallas is a destination for Owens anyway. How much longer could they stick with Bledsoe? They have noone behind him and have a low first-rounder this year. Not high enough to draft a future QB IMO.

[redskin_rich]

We need to close this thread and start a new one, with a public poll. I want to see where everyone stands on this.

[DoGood]

We need to close this thread and start a new one, with a public poll. I want to see where everyone stands on this.

Up to the mods. However, I would want more information than just this article.

[redskin_rich]

Up to the mods. However, I would want more information than just this article.
Watch Inside The NFL on HBO tonight, Peter King is going to talk about it.

[CNYSkinFan]

The mysterious "Art" is sure of himself that the Redskins interest in his is for other reasons than to sign him such as driving up other bidders like dallas. He have pretty extensive access to the Redskins so I would pause to consider his opinion. I don't really buy that because that would be a lot of trouble to go through and I don't think dallas is a destination for Owens anyway. How much longer could they stick with Bledsoe? They have noone behind him and have a low first-rounder this year. Not high enough to draft a future QB IMO.

Well there are some who think Dallas will trade up with Someone to get Vince YOung and then add Terrell Owens to go with Keyshawn and make a 3 year run with them. I personally am sending psychic waves to Parcells to get this doen fast. I would love to see that train wreck.

[DoGood]

Our team will be mentioned in connection with every well known FA this summer with absolutely no evidence to back up such outlandish claims. "Dont be suprised to see the Redskins get involved in the Shaun Alexander sweepstakes..." Idiots. Until they actually have a meeting with TO that both sides confirm then I won't believe anything the media says regarding our interest in TO. Im still waiting for Samari Rolle and Randy Moss to don their skins uniforms from last season.

Very well could be the case. However, claiming that the Redskins are the "favorite" holds some weight to me.

[DoGood]

Watch Inside The NFL on HBO tonight, Peter King is going to talk about it.

No, HBO.:cry:

[DoGood]

Well there are some who think Dallas will trade up with Someone to get Vince YOung and then add Terrell Owens to go with Keyshawn and make a 3 year run with them. I personally am sending psychic waves to Parcells to get this doen fast. I would love to see that train wreck.

I would take T.O. over Keyshawn anyday.

[smoak]

Is Peter King ever right about anything?

[Redskin4Life]

Does anyone have an opinion about how credible and knowledgeable this Adam Schefter is?

I'm still stunned to read this.
I found a comment from King in his article today saying the same as Schefter. Seem like Adam's just quoting PK:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/peter_king/02/01/five.things/1.html

[CNYSkinFan]

I would take T.O. over Keyshawn anyday.
I would take neither. Correction, I would take both and give them to the crooked cop and the Gimp in Pulp Fiction.

[helimech24]

No, HBO.:cry:You could wait until others watch the Monk hater, and just read the thread then.

[DoGood]

Denver is where I think he will end up having already met with him and being very close to the Super Bowl. Plus their WR situation would work out perfectly.

[HAWGZHEAD]

You could wait until others watch the Monk hater, and just read the thread then.What time is the show?

[DoGood]

You could wait until others watch the Monk hater, and just read the thread then.

:lol1: Maybe its for the best.

[The Skinsinator]

Denver is where I think he will end up having already met with him and being very close to the Super Bowl. Plus their WR situation would work out perfectly.Their cap is worse than ours and financially don't know if it would work. Like him or not, Washington attaining him for all things considered is logical.

[CNYSkinFan]

I found a comment from King in his article today saying the same as Schefter. Seem like Adam's just quoting PK:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/peter_king/02/01/five.things/1.html

Ok I am calming down some after reading this PK article. here is what he says:


1. I think, as I say tonight on Inside the NFL, that the Redskins will be a major player in the Terrell Owens sweepstakes before it's all done. And I think the Eagles, who a month ago were pretty sure they'd just release Owens instead of hanging on to him to try to get something in trade, now might actually get a mid-round or slightly better pick for him




Think is a big leap from the Redskins are getting involved. Dan Daley thought we would trade Lavar to Minnesotta for MOss last year as well.

[helimech24]

What time is the show?I think it is at 9pm eastern

[DoGood]

Their cap is worse than ours and financially don't know if it would work. Like him or not, Washington attaining him for all things considered is logical.

Again, if he is "Gibbs guy", then welcome to Washington T.O..

[DoGood]

Ok I am calming down some after reading this PK article. here is what he says:



Think is a big leap from the Redskins are getting involved. Dan Daley thought we would trade Lavar to Minnesotta for MOss last year as well.

I'm with you.

[S.Taylor36]

It's way too early to lose our heads here. Trust that Gibbs does the right thing. Look, we all know T.O. is a talent, but this guy can not be counted on as a good teamate. We are starting to get things together here and T.O. would only hurt us. Would he help our offense...sure. But T.O. is not gonna become a possession receiver which is what we need. We have our big hitter in Moss, T.O. isn't gonna come here and play second fiddle to anyone. T.O. is gonna put himself in a situation were he can excel, keep his mouth shut and then sign big deal with another team next year where he will do what T.O. does and become a cancer to his team. How many times do you need to see it before you believe it? T.O. to the Redskins WILL NOT HAPPEN!!! Gibbs is too smart to allow it.

[The Skinsinator]

Again, if he is "Gibbs guy", then welcome to Washington T.O..This should be the sentiment through this entire thing. It's no secret that Gibbs wants to win the sb soon, preferably next season. Him and Moss would be unstoppable with Saunders calling the plays. From on the field alone, he is exactly what we need. The character issues are indeed present and Gibbs better underwrite him thoroughly. Through all this, bear in mind that Owens has never won a super bowl and highly desires one.

[S.Taylor36]

I think it is at 9pm eastern

Inside The NFL is on at 10:00 pm Eastern Standard Time

[Awesome2]

I would take him in a heartbeat.

I would even give up our second round pick if it came down to it.

There is absolutely no guarantee that our second round pick will do anything next year. Even if he were to play he could be a weak link. The only positive thing about the draft pick is potentially obtaining a franchise WR or DE, but the chances of that are not very high.

If we somehow get Terrell Owens, that's basically a guaranteed 1200+ yard, 10+ touchdown season, pro-bowl receiver.

Think about it this way. The Vikings at had Randy Moss for his "prime", they never did anything in the playoffs. We could take Terrell Owens for one year and be much more likely to win a Superbowl with him than we would be without him. I haven't read this whole thread, but on some other sites I've read things like "It's not all about winning". Come on now, we're fans. It is all about winning. I don't care who we get to win, as long as it helps.


Even with his lockerroom problems. I think he is a Joe Gibbs kind of guy. To me the "character issues" thing that everyone tries to use as an excuse as to why he won't be coming here is complete BS. I find character issues to mean something like beating your wife or being an alcoholic. Those are character issues.

Terrell Owens has one of the greatest work ethics out of any player in the league, past or present. He also wants to win more than anything. For example, last season he BREAKS HIS LEG in week 14. Six weeks later he had a 9 catch, 110 yard (?) Superbowl. That my friends, is dedication.

Dedication+Work Ethic+Will to Win=Joe Gibbs kind of guy.

[helimech24]

Inside The NFL is on at 10:00 pm Eastern Standard Time
Thanks, I knew it was around there (9 or 10).

[becky]

If the unthinkable happens and TO does end up in DC, he better not be expecting to wear #81. :Padawan:

AMEN to this, but all this T.O. talk from PK and everyone else really just seems like conjecture. They always think we will go after the big name.. let them think it. If that is what Gibbs decides to do, I'll support it, but NOT until that moment.

[DoGood]

This should be the sentiment through this entire thing. It's no secret that Gibbs wants to win the sb soon, preferably next season. Him and Moss would be unstoppable with Saunders calling the plays. From on the field alone, he is exactly what we need. The character issues are indeed present and Gibbs better underwrite him thoroughly. Through all this, bear in mind that Owens has never won a super bowl and highly desires one.

We might be SO good that there would be nothing to cause problems.:)

[The Skinsinator]

What exactly did 980 report? To anyone living in that area or heard it online. That is where my money is at moreso than King or anyone else. I believe 980 has the most credibility in the validity of this entire thing.

[The Skinsinator]

We might be SO good that there would be nothing to cause problems.:)My biggest concern is an ego war with him and Santana. First and foremost, Moss better be cool with getting him or this whole thing could really blow up. As long as we are pounding people, I'm confident all will be cool.

[helimech24]

We might be SO good that there would be nothing to cause problems.:)You may be on to something here. Look at the boards lately, no one has been disagreeing about certain positions at all. We have all the players needed and starting on the team right now, except T.O.

[DoGood]

I would take him in a heartbeat.

I would even give up our second round pick if it came down to it.

There is absolutely no guarantee that our second round pick will do anything next year. Even if he were to play he could be a weak link. The only positive thing about the draft pick is potentially obtaining a franchise WR or DE, but the chances of that are not very high.

If we somehow get Terrell Owens, that's basically a guaranteed 1200+ yard, 10+ touchdown season, pro-bowl receiver.

Think about it this way. The Vikings at had Randy Moss for his "prime", they never did anything in the playoffs. We could take Terrell Owens for one year and be much more likely to win a Superbowl with him than we would be without him. I haven't read this whole thread, but on some other sites I've read things like "It's not all about winning". Come on now, we're fans. It is all about winning. I don't care who we get to win, as long as it helps.


Even with his lockerroom problems. I think he is a Joe Gibbs kind of guy. To me the "character issues" thing that everyone tries to use as an excuse as to why he won't be coming here is complete BS. I find character issues to mean something like beating your wife or being an alcoholic. Those are character issues.

Terrell Owens has one of the greatest work ethics out of any player in the league, past or present. He also wants to win more than anything. For example, last season he BREAKS HIS LEG in week 14. Six weeks later he had a 9 catch, 110 yard (?) Superbowl. That my friends, is dedication.

Dedication+Work Ethic+Will to Win=Joe Gibbs kind of guy.

Great first post. Welcome to hR.

[redcayman]

I wouldn't be too sure that he won't be here. He is a great reciever who will be on his best behavior for a year so even if he is to become a "2nd reciever" he has no choice but to smile and like it. This is his last chance he knows it and so do alot of other teams. I think he might come here for 3 reasons: 1. We need a reciever and he is the best out there. 2. We offer the chance to play the Eagles twice. A big deal for someone with his ego. 3. We have had problem children on our team before. All this being said I still think he is a cancer to a football team.

[DoGood]

My biggest concern is an ego war with him and Santana. First and foremost, Moss better be cool with getting him or this whole thing could really blow up. As long as we are pounding people, I'm confident all will be cool.

Agreed.

[The Skinsinator]

Andy Reid and Donovan McNabb have never won a super bowl as The King has 3. Frankly, if he wouldn't respect Gibbs and this entire franchise he won't respect anyone. If we acquire him, we will be at a minimum prognasticated going to the nfc championship game. Throw in our new talented def end, you're talking super bowl. If anyone can overcome his perpetual selfishness and narcissism it's Joe Jackson Gibbs.

[becky]

Even with his lockerroom problems. I think he is a Joe Gibbs kind of guy. To me the "character issues" thing that everyone tries to use as an excuse as to why he won't be coming here is complete BS. I find character issues to mean something like beating your wife or being an alcoholic. Those are character issues.

Terrell Owens has one of the greatest work ethics out of any player in the league, past or present. He also wants to win more than anything. For example, last season he BREAKS HIS LEG in week 14. Six weeks later he had a 9 catch, 110 yard (?) Superbowl. That my friends, is dedication.

Dedication+Work Ethic+Will to Win=Joe Gibbs kind of guy.


How is being so greedy that you are detrimental to your team not a character issue? How are being selfish and divisive in the locker room not character issues? This is football we're talking about, the only character issues that matter are the ones that impact the team. T.O. has a good personal work ethic, but NOT a good team work ethic, and BOTH are equally important in this game. You can only judge someone on their past, you have no idea what he will do in the future. He may get better, but he could very well get worse. If Joe Gibbs feels like it is worth the risk, I'm on board. You're right, it is all about winning, because it is a professional sport. I don't question the good things T.O. could bring to this team, it is the negative stuff that makes me so hesitant. He has shown his ability to divide a team and I want no part of that.

Oh and welcome to HR. :)

[redskin_rich]

What exactly did 980 report? To anyone living in that area or heard it online. That is where my money is at moreso than King or anyone else. I believe 980 has the most credibility in the validity of this entire thing.
WTEM reported Peter King's words, lol, even quoting him and saying that he will discuss it tonight on Inside the NFL.

[The Skinsinator]

WTEM reported Peter King's words, lol, even quoting him and saying that he will discuss it tonight on Inside the NFL.I don't care what King reports, until I hear something credible from our fo I'm not buying into yet. Of course, we maybe interested in him. He's the best receiver in the nfl.

[S.Taylor36]

The only thing that is guarenteed if we get T.O. is a headache. Could you imagine the media surrounding this guy especially coming to Dan Synder's Redskins? The thought gets me sick. I'm not willing to sell my soul to the devil for a shot at the Super Bowl. The Eagles did it and fell short and looked what happened after. Andy Reid was supposed to be a coach that could handle T.O. and he couldn't.

Imagine this, we get T.O., go to the Super Bowl and lose. Then because T.O. was such a good citizen for a year, Danny Boy signs him to a long term deal. The next year we get off to a slow start, how do you think T.O. responds?

Sorry guys, I've seen this movie way to many times and the ending sucks everytime.

No need for T.O. here. Stay the course, believe in Joe Gibbs and his system.

[DoGood]

The only thing that is guarenteed if we get T.O. is a headache. Could you imagine the media surrounding this guy especially coming to Dan Synder's Redskins? The thought gets me sick. I'm not willing to sell my soul to the devil for a shot at the Super Bowl. The Eagles did it and fell short and looked what happened after. Andy Reid was supposed to be a coach that could handle T.O. and he couldn't.

Imagine this, we get T.O., go to the Super Bowl and lose. Then because T.O. was such a good citizen for a year, Danny Boy signs him to a long term deal. The next year we get off to a slow start, how do you think T.O. responds?

Sorry guys, I've seen this movie way to many times and the ending sucks everytime.

No need for T.O. here. Stay the course, believe in Joe Gibbs and his system.

Andy Reid is soft.

[The Skinsinator]

The only thing that is guarenteed if we get T.O. is a headache.How is that guarenteed? We will not acquire him if Gibbs senses that. Let The King do his job.

[DoGood]

The only thing that is guarenteed if we get T.O. is a headache. Could you imagine the media surrounding this guy especially coming to Dan Synder's Redskins? The thought gets me sick. I'm not willing to sell my soul to the devil for a shot at the Super Bowl. The Eagles did it and fell short and looked what happened after. Andy Reid was supposed to be a coach that could handle T.O. and he couldn't.

Imagine this, we get T.O., go to the Super Bowl and lose. Then because T.O. was such a good citizen for a year, Danny Boy signs him to a long term deal. The next year we get off to a slow start, how do you think T.O. responds?

Sorry guys, I've seen this movie way to many times and the ending sucks everytime.

No need for T.O. here. Stay the course, believe in Joe Gibbs and his system.

I will even if Joe does go after T.O..

[dj_stouty]

I've locked this thread and started a new one on the Cherokee forum.

Click here (http://hailredskins.com/vbforum/showthread.php?t=32597)to access it.