With Musgrave leaving...

[X-Factor13]

I was thinking today about what effects musgrave leaving could have on our qb's, and when it came down to it, it may look like campbell is taking over next year. I'm probably jumping the gun a bit, but think about it. Who resurrected mark brunell's career? Why would they let him leave and risk the chance of another season of severe regression for him? I'm not saying that brunell is a bad quarterback without him, but the one bad year without him speaks for a lot i think.

Not only that, but think about how they made the move to hire lazor (i still think of dr.evil and giggle when i say his name): someone from within the staff. That means that Lazor is Gibbs' hand picked coach, and he is coaching Gibbs' hand picked quarterback. That sure sounds like gibbs wants him to play EXACTLY the way that gibbs wants, and no one else's.

But then again i could be crazy. about a year back i thought we were mentally challenged for drafting campbell. :banghead:

[skins4me]

don't you think that brunnell's improved play in 2005 was more a result of him being healthy more than anything else? notice how his performance tailed off after his injury in the giant game? i'm not sure how much if any effect a qb coach has on a veteran like brunnell. as for campbell, he'll have to have over the top talent and smarts to win the starting job this year. if the load up on fa signings would you want to turn the starting qb job over to a kid who has yet to play? i know it's a 'new' gibbs but i'd be schocked if it happened.

[greatest2]

i've said this for awhile...but i strongly believe we will have an open QB compitition for next year...

i also believe that Jason Campbell will win this out, strongly because of his mobility and arm strength. I'm not sayin' once we but him in it will be smooth, but rather that i want the guy to get experience and he is a 1st round draft pick. I mean Carson Palmer only had an OK year his 1st and now look. Troy "I see LaVar in my nightmare's" aikman went 1-15. And Peyton Manning went 3-13 his first year. There second years got alot better.

open qb compition, and i think campbell wins. if he does lets support him at home no matter how up and down he goes and not chant for Brunell. Support him and show why players love our fans, and why players will want to come here.

[X-Factor13]

I'm not saying that i want jason campbell to take over next year. All i'm saying is that i think the staff is leaning towards him because of this coaching move. Of course this a very little information to base next year's starter off of, but if anything i think that at the very least they are extremely excited about him and are pushing him to succeed

[skins4me]

no doubt you're correct. the fact that they pursued him so hard shows that he can be something special. what a body on that guy. it'd be great to put him behind center and leave him there for eight or ten years.

[danny's stogie]

I was thinking today about what effects musgrave leaving could have on our qb's, and when it came down to it, it may look like campbell is taking over next year. I'm probably jumping the gun a bit, but think about it. Who resurrected mark brunell's career? Why would they let him leave and risk the chance of another season of severe regression for him? I'm not saying that brunell is a bad quarterback without him, but the one bad year without him speaks for a lot i think.

Not only that, but think about how they made the move to hire lazor (i still think of dr.evil and giggle when i say his name): someone from within the staff. That means that Lazor is Gibbs' hand picked coach, and he is coaching Gibbs' hand picked quarterback. That sure sounds like gibbs wants him to play EXACTLY the way that gibbs wants, and no one else's.

But then again i could be crazy. about a year back i thought we were mentally challenged for drafting campbell. :banghead:

Which one of Joe Gibbs' TWO handpicked QBs are you talking about?

[skins111111]

we know what we're gonna get out of Brunell in preseason- good conservitive and safe play----a must for Gibbs
JC on the other hand will be very interesting to watch....if he has learned to make safe discissions and lights it up, with a little push from Saunders he could be our man right out of the gate

I still bet Brunell will start

[LATrueRedskin]

I was thinking today about what effects musgrave leaving could have on our qb's, and when it came down to it, it may look like campbell is taking over next year. I'm probably jumping the gun a bit, but think about it. Who resurrected mark brunell's career? Why would they let him leave and risk the chance of another season of severe regression for him? I'm not saying that brunell is a bad quarterback without him, but the one bad year without him speaks for a lot i think.

Not only that, but think about how they made the move to hire lazor (i still think of dr.evil and giggle when i say his name): someone from within the staff. That means that Lazor is Gibbs' hand picked coach, and he is coaching Gibbs' hand picked quarterback. That sure sounds like gibbs wants him to play EXACTLY the way that gibbs wants, and no one else's.

But then again i could be crazy. about a year back i thought we were mentally challenged for drafting campbell. :banghead:

Coach also hand-picked Brunell as well. I think Brunell has been in the game too long to have his playing ability depend on Bill Musgrave. I agree that Brunell's inabililty to perform last year was due to injury and a really conservative, horrible-looking play calling. I think there will be tough competition for the starting spot next year, with Campbell having to prove that he should be starting over Brunell next year.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

not to take anything away from the job musgrave did here, but brunell's improvement began with him being 100% to start the season. brunell is a 13 year pro and there aint much more musgrave couldve taught him that he didnt already know.

[HanburgerBum]

I think you are reading a little too much into this. Musgrave probably had less to do with the improved play by Brunell than the following:

1) Brunell being healthier than 2004 (despite what Mark himself has said about this).

2) The arrival of Santana Moss.

3) The arrival of Casey Rabach.

4) The re-appearance of Jon Jansen.

5) The blossoming of Chris Cooley.

6) The resurgence of Mike Sellers.

As to Jason Campbell being Gibbs handpicked QB (assuming you are talking about JC instead of MB) and thus will be starting in 2006, that would depend upon how quickly JC has developed. Gibbs isn't going to put Jason out there if Joe doesn't feel he is ready.

I suspect that Gibbs realizes that Brunell did not play well the last 3 games of 2005 and may not have enough gas left in the tank to take the Skins to the SB. But, Joe will probably still start out the 2006 season with Brunell and then play it by ear. I also wouldn't be surprised if an inexpensive veteran is signed as the 3rd QB to take Ramsey's place.

[skinswin]

No doubt Brunell's play improved but is it good enough to take us where we want to go? I don't think so.

As good as Brunell played, there are major flaws to his game that I don't think will change. :

1. the critical fumbles. We lost atleast two games because of his fumbles and if you remember, we lost the Ravens game last season because of the same thing.

2. Brunell's constant too deep drop in the pocket that allows the opposing DE's to loop in and either sack him or stripe him of the ball. Instead of stepping up in the pocket so the DE can't touch him like other pocket passers do.

Those are two things that Brunell does that I don't think will change. I feel we should stack the team at all the positions as much as possible and let Campbell play. The same way when Rothelinsberger took over for the Steelers the previous year when Tommy Maddox got hurt. The Steelers were stacked at every position on offense which made Rothlinsbergers transition so much more easy on him. Rothlinsberger was allowed to be a caretaker QB and he gradually grew in the offense to what we have today.

I think we can do the same with Campbell.

[Seebs]

As to Jason Campbell being Gibbs handpicked QB (assuming you are talking about JC instead of MB) and thus will be starting in 2006, that would depend upon how quickly JC has developed. Gibbs isn't going to put Jason out there if Joe doesn't feel he is ready.


I concur with that. One quality that JG loves about Brunell (well, it's my opinion) is that he is making very few mistakes. 3 and out is often better than an illed advise interception or a fumble due to QB keeping the ball too long (yes Pat Ramsey, I'm looking at you).

[skinswin]

I concur with that. One quality that JG loves about Brunell (well, it's my opinion) is that he is making very few mistakes. 3 and out is often better than an illed advise interception or a fumble due to QB keeping the ball too long (yes Pat Ramsey, I'm looking at you).


True. But Brunell's upside is very limited. Eventually, you have to pay your dues and groom your future franchise QB.

The Colts did it with Manning. The Giants did it with Manning. The Steelers did it with Rothlinsberger. You have to chunk a year and give your future QB a chance to learn and work his way thru the learning curve.

The Raiders haven't groomed a QB since Kenny Stabler! And they've been trying to cheat and bring in veteran after veteran for the quick fix. And we see how many SB they've won in the last 20 years.:rolleyes:

I know everybody wants the "instant gratification" winning now but eventually a young QB has to play to get better. Campbell has sat a year now and if we want continual playoff success down the line, we need to get Campbell in there and let him work thru his learning curve. My goal for this team is to be a playoff participant every year. And to do that we need stability at the QB position for th forseeable future. Brunell is at the end of his career with no upside left.

[EberKain]

don't you think that brunnell's improved play in 2005 was more a result of him being healthy more than anything else? notice how his performance tailed off after his injury in the giant game? i'm not sure how much if any effect a qb coach has on a veteran like brunnell. as for campbell, he'll have to have over the top talent and smarts to win the starting job this year. if the load up on fa signings would you want to turn the starting qb job over to a kid who has yet to play? i know it's a 'new' gibbs but i'd be schocked if it happened.

Agree 100% about Mark and Injuries. He doesn't seem to be injury prone, but he also does not seem to be able to play while injured.

[S.Taylor36]

I am all in favor for an open competition during camp. Let's see who picks up the system better. Gibbs will still have a say in the offense, and last I checked we like to run the ball. I think Jason Campbell will ultimatley win this competition. Maybe not immediately. I think that Brunell's experience wins out early, but JC comes in later in the season to take the job. I suspect that we will do much of what Pittsburgh did with Big Ben. Run the ball and put Campbell in a good position NOT to make mistakes. As he becomes more comfortable, then allow him to do more. The key to this offense will be the Dirt Bags. Open up holes for Portis, give the QB time and the skill players will make plays. We gotta see if this puppy can hump. We moved up to get this guy so lets see what he can do.

[Battle Cat]

I think we need an open competition. I think that as long as Jason Campbell doesn't thow interceptions and does not fumble the job will be his. I also think that he throws a better deep ball from watching him in college. And I also think we will see a little more of the Denver based stretch plays one way with Portis or the roll out the other with Campbell as Jake Plummer and Micheal Vick do. I am hoping this will help out Portis even more so he can have an even bigger year. I know the new offensisve coordinator likes the pocket passing but I hope we dont turn away from the stretch plays with Randy Thomas pulling and the athletic offensive line zone blocking that seemed to help get this offense moving. I think running on the edges really helped Portis over the previous year and the threat of the roll out the opposite direction will help even more. But the O Coordinator may come in with a completely different philosophy that works better than everything I described either way the future of Portis Moss and Campbell along with a young offensive line has us looking good for years to come. With all of them under contract long term except Dockery which we will get worked out soon. And also look forward to Johnson Campbell's ex tight end to play bigger role along with drafting at least one Auburn wide Reciever with our 2nd round pick or maybe 3rd.

[helimech24]

I love how some people say that Brunell doesn't have much in the tank because his knee was bent between 3 linemen. I love also that Brunell can't play injured like so many QBs out there. I know that I saw Carson Palmer back in the game against the Steelers in the playoffs. I also saw Pennington throwing with his bad shoulder well. Give me a break, the reason Brunell still played during those last three games is because Gibbs thought he gave us a better chance hurt than replacing him with Ramsey. If Brunell gets hurt next year, JC will get his chance. JG made is making this team to go to the superbowl this year. He isn't going to waste a year so that JC can get reps.