Denver wants Ricky Williams, why don't We?

[BraveSkin76]

The latest runour as reported by the Denver Post is that the Broncos are/were interested in trading for Ricky Williams. My question is, as a back-up role, say 10-15 carries a game, would you trade our 3rd-rounder for Williams to be Portis' back-up. CP sure did get banged up this year, especially near the end of the season. Williams could lessen the load. But keep in mind we would have only one day one pick remaining if we let go of our 3rd-rounder.

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[CNYSkinFan]

:banghead: :banghead:

We have Betts and we have Rock and we have Nemo.

Why would we need a pot smoking RB past his prime?

[redskin_rich]

:banghead: :banghead:

I second that.

[BraveSkin76]

Assuming Betts is packaged with Ramsey and a draft choice for a higher draft day pick...

...would you re-consider it? Or would you rater rely on Rock and Broughton?

[SkinsASchamps]

I second that.

third

[bgforever]

:banghead: :banghead:

We have Betts and we have Rock and we have Nemo.

Why would we need a pot smoking RB past his prime?

This guy is an admitted Gunja man at large. True we are loaded at RB but we may shuck one for another Rythm and Blues playa'. However, it won't be Rickey Williams or someone of his caliber. Actually Williams electrified that offense back into the hunt, with Zach Thomas, Jason Taylor again showing up. Its just that we don't need a player like that. We have one of our own. We need to see what Nemo can do and I am inclined to NOT keep Betts, because Jerome Bettis reminds me of that option of a type of player that BURSTS through 2 and 3 tacklers. I just don't get that inside game from Betts.

Portis is the man and he will be far more awesome than many ever imagined. Just watch the graphics go Off the Charts!

[Ibleedburgundy]

If Ricky Williams is into doing pro-bono work, I say we take him.

:Peace:

[HAWGZHEAD]

Isn't this already in the NFL forum?

[SkinsASchamps]

Isn't this already in the NFL forum?


yes but now it is just about the skins...

[bgforever]

Assuming Betts is packaged with Ramsey and a draft choice for a higher draft day pick...

...would you re-consider it? Or would you rater rely on Rock and Broughton?


I need to spell Rickey Williams, I can do it with Ladell Betts, since he fits perfectly into their offense. Also, Griesy could be backed up by a player like Patrick Ramsey.

Now who do you get in return at this stage of their career, where they can give you sacks and pressure, hurries - DE Jason Taylor maybe.

Or do you send them split up for other options?

[BraveSkin76]

Isn't this already in the NFL forum?

Not exactly. In the 'All NFL Forum' just the blurb about Denver's interest. Here just a proposal with regards to the Skins.

[CNYSkinFan]

Assuming Betts is packaged with Ramsey and a draft choice for a higher draft day pick...

...would you re-consider it? Or would you rater rely on Rock and Broughton?

Rock and Nemo...sound slike a great 70's cop movie, but they would also be decent backup rbs.

[HAWGZHEAD]

Not exactly. In the 'All NFL Forum' just the blurb about Denver's interest. Here just a proposal with regards to the Skins.Oh then no I never want a guy on my team that at any time could get up and take a trip to jamaica and stay bombed out for 3 months. No thanks I'll pass on the "MELLOW TO".

[BraveSkin76]

I need to spell Rickey Williams, I can do it with Ladell Betts, since he fits perfectly into their offense. Also, Griesy could be backed up by a player like Patrick Ramsey.

Now who do you get in return at this stage of their career, where they can give you sacks and pressure, hurries - DE Jason Taylor maybe.

Or do you send them split up for other options?

Hmm, good question. Say something like this:

Patrick Ramsey, Ladell Betts and our 3rd Rounder for Miami's Ricky Williams, DE Matt Roth and their 2nd rounder (#51) and their 4th rounder (#113). Not sure if it's a deal advantageous to ur cause but feel free to suggest any other possibilities. I am not saying I want Ricky Williams--just considering options, far-fetched and unrealistic or surprisingly pragmatic they may be.

[Spence]

Weird thread.

[dj_stouty]

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[Redskin4Life]

The latest runour as reported by the Denver Post is that the Broncos are/were interested in trading for Ricky Williams. My question is, as a back-up role, say 10-15 carries a game, would you trade our 3rd-rounder for Williams to be Portis' back-up. CP sure did get banged up this year, especially near the end of the season. Williams could lessen the load. But keep in mind we would have only one day one pick remaining if we let go of our 3rd-rounder.

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Don't like the chance that this guy could be suspended for a year on his next offense. Not to mention the fact that he's being tested more frequently than any other guy in the league.

Plus I like the guys we got. Give Nemo, Rock a chance. Trade Betts and draft a young guy with the acquired pick.

[akhhorus]

Weird thread.

Its not quite warm enough for us in Charleston to go to the beach or play golf yet and cold weather throws us off.....

We could use a big back for short yardage and to spell Portis, but Manuel White or a draftee would be much better than Ricky. It would be ironic though, Ditka trades us a ton of picks for him and he ends up here in the end.

[RedskinsDave]

Weird thread.

It's probably better if you're stoned.

[S.Taylor36]

I hope this thread is a joke?

[BraveSkin76]

Listen, i was bored and just thinking what if?! I mean, pepole are actually thinking we may get TO--so how far-fetched of an idea is getting Ricky williams? I don't want him--just wanted to know which scenarios would you take Ricky, if you were inclined to do so. Assuming we could get a higher draft pick, a back-up runner at 550,000 USd a year, a young DE prospect, etc., would i tmake sense? His mary jane issues notwithstanding.

[SkinsASchamps]

Listen, i was bored and just thinking what if?! I mean, pepole are actually thinking we may get TO--so how far-fetched of an idea is getting Ricky williams? I don't want him--just wanted to know which scenarios would you take Ricky, if you were inclined to do so.

For free and with a couple of zip locked baggies thrown in.

[Battle Cat]

I hope this thread is a joke?
We have got way more important slots to fill. I understand floating the thought though, but no Rickey. Might as well take a chance on Koren Robinson if you gonna take a chance on Rickey. Don't like guys on last step of violating the NFL substance abuse policy.

[BraveSkin76]

We have got way more important slots to fill. I understand floating the thought though, but no Rickey. Might as well take a chance on Koren Robinson if you gonna take a chance on Rickey. Don't like guys on last step of violating the NFL substance abuse policy.

Battle Cat, where is Robinson in terms of the substance abuse policy? i thought he had a couple of strikes against him as well?

[HAWGZHEAD]

Battle Cat, where is Robinson in terms of the substance abuse policy? i thought he had a couple of strikes against him as well?Yeah that's what he is saying.

[SkinsASchamps]

We have got way more important slots to fill. I understand floating the thought though, but no Rickey. Might as well take a chance on Koren Robinson if you gonna take a chance on Rickey. Don't like guys on last step of violating the NFL substance abuse policy.

Substance abuse policy isnt something to take lightly. We cant have guys missing games and what not. Gibbs what character guys. Koren is in a similar boat but not to the extreme of Ricky

[akhhorus]

Listen, i was bored and just thinking what if?! I mean, pepole are actually thinking we may get TO--so how far-fetched of an idea is getting Ricky williams? I don't want him--just wanted to know which scenarios would you take Ricky, if you were inclined to do so. Assuming we could get a higher draft pick, a back-up runner at 550,000 USd a year, a young DE prospect, etc., would i tmake sense? His mary jane issues notwithstanding.

I would go after him if he was cut, but he's not worth a relatively high draft pick.

[smoak]

I'd rather have Williams than Leonard Little.

Honestly, at a cheap annual salary, I'd definitely take a chance on Ricky, but not really interested.

[Keino]

I second that.

Im in line behind you

[BurgundyNGold]

Because we are not mentally deficient now that Gibbs is in charge. Denver is rumored to be going after TO too. Good luck to them.

[whistleandthumb]

I'm so confused. Did someone say something about Ricky Williams being a Redskin?!?

[lakeskin]

I'd rather have Williams than Leonard Little.

Honestly, at a cheap annual salary, I'd definitely take a chance on Ricky, but not really interested.

Id rather have TO than Leonard Little. I certainly hope no one is suggesting we add Leonard to the team.

We can easily fill a backup role with one of our younger guys if Betts leaves. With a guy who actually has a passion for the game and is not just playing soley for monetary reasons.

[CNYSkinFan]

Id rather have TO than Leonard Little. I certainly hope no one is suggesting we add Leonard to the team.

We can easily fill a backup role with one of our younger guys if Betts leaves. With a guy who actually has a passion for the game and is not just playing soley for monetary reasons.

not yet

[DoGood]

No way. That move would make the least amount of sense in the history of football. Why tie up more money in an already talented backfield? Dismissed.

[WABronco]

No way. That move would make the least amount of sense in the history of football. Why tie up more money in an already talented backfield? Dismissed.

Ricky is making the vet. minimum.

Who started this thread though??? Damn...

Why would you get an elite back to back up an elite back?

[smoak]

Ricky is making the vet. minimum.

Who started this thread though??? Damn...

Why would you get an elite back to back up an elite back?

We won't, but at the right price, IMO you can never have enough talented players. Portis and Williams are different types of players and have different strengths and weaknesses so I don't think it would be a bad fit for the Redskins... I just don't care for the situation personally.

[MoeRedskins]

The latest runour as reported by the Denver Post is that the Broncos are/were interested in trading for Ricky Williams. My question is, as a back-up role, say 10-15 carries a game, would you trade our 3rd-rounder for Williams to be Portis' back-up. CP sure did get banged up this year, especially near the end of the season. Williams could lessen the load. But keep in mind we would have only one day one pick remaining if we let go of our 3rd-rounder.

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We don't want him because Ricky's Agents haven't reported to the press yet that we are interested in him. Seriously though, I would rather use the 3rd rounder on a position of need, say d or o line, then spend it on an aging RB who is a pretty big cap hit for 10-15 carries a game.

[BraveSkin76]

We won't, but at the right price, IMO you can never have enough talented players. Portis and Williams are different types of players and have different strengths and weaknesses so I don't think it would be a bad fit for the Redskins... I just don't care for the situation personally.

Exactly the reason I started this thread. Williams' cheap, won't cost higher than a 2nd or 3rd Rnd pick, Portis was banged up and Ricky relatively speaking, is well-rested. All I was asking is who would be keen on Ricky and at what price would you trade for him and what do you expect (players/picks) in return.

[BraveSkin76]

We don't want him because Ricky's Agents haven't reported to the press yet that we are interested in him. Seriously though, I would rather use the 3rd rounder on a position of need, say d or o line, then spend it on an aging RB who is a pretty big cap hit for 10-15 carries a game.


Pretty big cap hit? He's making $550,000 a year. And what if Matt Roth and a pick or Jason Taylor was included in a deal? Would you consider it then? Some of you guys are seeing 'Ricky Williams' and 'Redskins' and going bananas.

[CarMike]

I would rather have some fun on draft day. 2nd to TO...3rd to RW...NEVER!

When are people going to realize that the day of "sexy" FA moves are in the past? Gibbs showed last off season that we don't need overpaid FA's to be competitive. When we were offseason champs, where did it get us during the season? Then bam. The one offseason we don't go out like bandits and sign "sexy" FA's, we go 10-6 and win a playoff game.

Bottom line is this. Ricky Williams has a lot of the same traits as TO. Only to a lesser degree. Lets remember that Williams walked out on his team just days before training camp was to start. And why did he do this? Because he failed his 3rd drug test and knew he was about to get fined ans suspended. Instead of taking it like a man, he ran. Smoking pot like a chimney.

No thanks. I think i'll pass. We'll get guys in DC who will help us win and be team players. Not looking for more money after a couple of good games and guys who aren't running from suspensions.

[DoGood]

We don't want him because Ricky's Agents haven't reported to the press yet that we are interested in him. Seriously though, I would rather use the 3rd rounder on a position of need, say d or o line, then spend it on an aging RB who is a pretty big cap hit for 10-15 carries a game.

RB is the deepest position on our team. We need to use our draft picks for other areas.

[skinswin]

If Ricky Williams were in a sane frame of mind, he would be a better fit for our offense then Portis.

But he isn't and I think Manuel Wright could be a pleasant surprise when all is said and done. Everyone is looking at Nemo, but I live here on the left coast and Manual Wright is a stud when healthy.

[GolfFreak]

We have Portis -- case closed.

[skinswin]

We have Portis -- case closed.


And has Portis been healthy at the end of any season we've had him? No.

We need a big RB that can move the pile and take some carries away from Portis so maybe he can be effective after week # 16 of the season.

[akhhorus]

And has Portis been healthy at the end of any season we've had him? No.

We need a big RB that can move the pile and take some carries away from Portis so maybe he can be effective after week # 16 of the season.

And you don't spend money or high draft picks on a backup/change of pace back. But which is it, you want a RB who "fits the system better"(which is crap) or you want a backup?

[whistleandthumb]

RB is the deepest position on our team. We need to use our draft picks for other areas.
My thoughts exactly. We have areas of concern that REALLY need to be upgraded, like WR and DE. We need to spend money and draft picks on those areas and adding some depth to this team.

Running Back is probably the ONE area we don't need to concern ourselves with.

[CNYSkinFan]

I can't believe this is a 4 page thread.

[HAWGZHEAD]

I can't believe this is a 4 page thread.LOL, me either especially when it could have been part of the Ricky Williams thread in the NFL forum.

[smoak]

Exactly the reason I started this thread. Williams' cheap, won't cost higher than a 2nd or 3rd Rnd pick, Portis was banged up and Ricky relatively speaking, is well-rested. All I was asking is who would be keen on Ricky and at what price would you trade for him and what do you expect (players/picks) in return.


I'd offer a 5th or 6th if

1) I met with him and he was committed to playing for the Redskin in an offense where he would be a backuo RB

2) He didn't want a salary increase

3) I felt the chemistry was right (I don't as of now)

4) I thought he would "pass on grass" while in the NFL

[LATrueRedskin]

We have other needs. Ricky Williams is a good player, but we don't need him.

[WABronco]

We have other needs. Ricky Williams is a good player, but we don't need him.

Woww!

Imagine if you guys could teach him to play FB!! He'd be a much bigger threat than Sellers, for sure.

You'd have two probowlers in the backfield, all AT ONCE!

That'd be sweet! Teams wouldn't know which guy would get the ball!

(sarcasm)

[MoeRedskins]

Pretty big cap hit? He's making $550,000 a year. And what if Matt Roth and a pick or Jason Taylor was included in a deal? Would you consider it then? Some of you guys are seeing 'Ricky Williams' and 'Redskins' and going bananas.


I didn't know he was making the minimum, that changes nothing. We have capable running backs. I'd rather draft a guy then take in Ricky Williams, not b/c he smokes pot, not b/c he just left the NFL, and not b/c it isn't the same Ricky as 2003, b/c we just simply don't need a RB.

[MoeRedskins]

I can't believe this is a 4 page thread.

Everyday I come on here and I am amazed by the topics that reach 4+ pages.

[ihatedallas]

No, I think Ricky Williams if in the right situation, could turn right around and become an impact again, but we simply dont need him, why risk the distraction on something that isnt neccesary...

[skinswin]

I'd offer a 5th or 6th if

1) I met with him and he was committed to playing for the Redskin in an offense where he would be a backuo RB

2) He didn't want a salary increase

3) I felt the chemistry was right (I don't as of now)

4) I thought he would "pass on grass" while in the NFL


But the guys heart really isn't into playing football. He only came back so they wouldn't take his signing bonus money away from him.

Plus..we have Wright and Nemo. Yes we need to get a big RB in the mix but Portis is still going to get the majority of the carries. We just need a big RB for those 3rd and 1 situations and to give Portis a significant break in the games. We've invested too much money into Portis so we have to keep him fresh and healthy after week # 17 of the season.

[smoak]

But the guys heart really isn't into playing football. He only came back so they wouldn't take his signing bonus money away from him.

Plus..we have Wright and Nemo. Yes we need to get a big RB in the mix but Portis is still going to get the majority of the carries. We just need a big RB for those 3rd and 1 situations and to give Portis a significant break in the games. We've invested too much money into Portis so we have to keep him fresh and healthy after week # 17 of the season.

I know, and that is why my first point would probably ruile out going for him.

I'd much rather see Portis lose 2-3 carries per game and get aroound 1,200 - 1,300 yards BUT be fresh for the playoffs.

[EberKain]

I would rather see Nemo than bring in another RB.

[smoak]

Everyday I come on here and I am amazed by the topics that reach 4+ pages.

People like to speculate. And people like me who only have a couple minutes to pop in here and there like the brainless silly topics that require little reading and even less thought. I use HR as my "smoke break" (no pun intended) and usually can't get into 30 minute serious discussions without neglecting work... Which is not a problem when the Skins are in a playoff run.

:D

[redwolf1218]

I would rather see Nemo than bring in another RB.
i wanted to see Nemo all year, and i'd still like to see him next year, but the thought of adding Ricky Williams is intriguing. he could replace Betts.

[BigDaddySkin]

RICKY WILLIAMs???.......ah.......NO :doh:

[redwolf1218]

it would be ironic...we got Champ for Ricky, then we traded Champ for Portis, then we get Ricky to back up Portis.

[Dept_of_Defense]

The latest runour as reported by the Denver Post is that the Broncos are/were interested in trading for Ricky Williams. My question is, as a back-up role, say 10-15 carries a game, would you trade our 3rd-rounder for Williams to be Portis' back-up. CP sure did get banged up this year, especially near the end of the season. Williams could lessen the load. But keep in mind we would have only one day one pick remaining if we let go of our 3rd-rounder.

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Can we close this thread. This is ridiculous. :sfight:

[Redskin006]

Why don't we package Ramsey, Betts, Lavar, and our 3rd rounder for Ricky Williams, Matt Roth, and their 1st and 4th rounder. That way we get ourselves a 1st and 2nd rounder which we could then do a lot with. Plus, we get ourselves a great 2nd runningback who is "more of a gibbs-style-offense runner" a Defensive End and then a 1st and 2nd and 4th which could be used on any position we would like to fill through the draft. Just a thought? What do you guys think?

[santanadasavior]

I do not get the point of this thread. There is no way in my mind that we should overpay for a running back who could quit at any moment. It would be a mistake.

[santanadasavior]

Why don't we package Ramsey, Betts, Lavar, and our 3rd rounder for Ricky Williams, Matt Roth, and their 1st and 4th rounder. That way we get ourselves a 1st and 2nd rounder which we could then do a lot with. Plus, we get ourselves a great 2nd runningback who is "more of a gibbs-style-offense runner" a Defensive End and then a 1st and 2nd and 4th which could be used on any position we would like to fill through the draft. Just a thought? What do you guys think?

I still think that if we keep the starting team together (Lavar), we can only get better than how we were. If we make no moves this offseason we will still make the playoffs. I know it's cliche but don't mess with success. Plus, the theme of that trade would be Lavar for Ricky. Not a good move if you ask me. Trading a fan favorite for a loopy pothead is not a good idea.

[RedskinRyan]

:banghead: :banghead:

We have Betts and we have Rock and we have Nemo.

Why would we need a pot smoking RB past his prime?

betts and rock are not the answer, although i do agree with not getting ricky. RB is not a top priority, and the third rounder could be used much better.

[bgforever]

betts and rock are not the answer, although i do agree with not getting ricky. RB is not a top priority, and the third rounder could be used much better.
3rd Rounder is Gibbs/Buges zone. OG/OT type, just like Brown was.

[EberKain]

Hell, I would rather have Betts than Ricky. Were just talking about a backup afterall. And if Portis missed a streach, I am confident in Betts taking the load. No reason to change unless we get a sweet deal, and they are not going to just give Ricky away with so many others out there looking at him.

[Warrior 007]

I see the redskins getting Priest Holmes before Ricky Williams!!!

[gibbs4pres]

:banghead: :banghead:

We have Betts and we have Rock and we have Nemo.

Why would we need a pot smoking RB past his prime?

We may have Rock and Nemo, but Nemo hasn't shown anything yet.
As for the other comments. Ricky hasn't had a major injury has he? Betts is always injured. As a back-up he'd be awesome IMHO. As for the pot smoking. Maybe he'd rather smoke than drink. I know if he's smokin' he's not pulling a gun on someone. He's probably sitting on his couch watching TV. I won't pass judgement on him because of that. I've know plenty of people that are upstanding and successful in their community who smoke pot. Just because he's a pot smoker doesn't mean he would be bad. Gibbs can handle that part, and keep his priorities in line.

[redskin_rich]

We may have Rock and Nemo, but Nemo hasn't shown anything yet.
As for the other comments. Ricky hasn't had a major injury has he? Betts is always injured. As a back-up he'd be awesome IMHO. As for the pot smoking. Maybe he'd rather smoke than drink. I know if he's smokin' he's not pulling a gun on someone. He's probably sitting on his couch watching TV. I won't pass judgement on him because of that. I've know plenty of people that are upstanding and successful in their community who smoke pot. Just because he's a pot smoker doesn't mean he would be bad. Gibbs can handle that part, and keep his priorities in line.
I couldn't care less whether he drinks, smokes pot or freebases coke but the NFL has rules and one more dirty urine sample from Ricky and he is out.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

There's no reason at all we should want Ricky Williams. None. There's a difference between an eccentric player, like Riggo or Portis, and a team-killer, like Ricky or T.O. Let the Broncos take him, they've bought too much into their own hype. I mean... Maurice Clarett? Third round?

[helimech24]

We should get rid of Betts and leave Ricky with the Broncos, neither can run in the middle for good yards. Ricky isn't as big as he was a couple of years ago, and he doesn't have the patience to stay in the middle (bounces outside). Betts doesn't block well or run short yardage well, so why keep him. We need a change of pace type back, not a lesser version of Portis.

[Redskinfan28]

:banghead: :banghead:

We have Betts and we have Rock and we have Nemo.

Why would we need a pot smoking RB past his prime?

I guess he feels that Betts, Rock, and Nemo are not as good as Ricky. And although he is probably right, I wouldn't give up a 3rd to get him because Betts is good enough.

[HAWGZHEAD]

Wow this thread is still going.

[BraveSkin76]

I dunno. I don't think the thought of Ricky as a possible back-up to Portis (especially if Betts is packaged with Ramsey for a pick to some other team) is necessarily a bad idea. His drug issue aside, I don't think Ricky is anywhere near a TO in terms of attitude. He's making $550,000 this year (cheap) and relatively speaking, still young. I never advocated for Trading for him, was just offering up some food for thought. And no one here would ignore our DE or WR concerns for a back-up RB. I just wanted to know what kind of trade deal would get you lathered up. Some here say a 5th or 6th or a multi-player, multi-draft pick deal. That's what I was asking.

It's a less insane idea than paying Deion Sanders a truckful of money past his prime (no pun intended) or looking at an oft-injured Courtney Brown for DE help.

[BraveSkin76]

Wow this thread is still going.

Of course, it's still going--you're adding posts to it.

[ChiefPowhatan17]

We already have a great deal of backs.

[3644Skins]

:banghead: :banghead:

We have Betts and we have Rock and we have Nemo.

Why would we need a pot smoking RB past his prime?


Ricky proved this past season he's not past his prime. As a matter of fact, he will be the starter in Miami next season. Of course that's my personal opinion. But I am happy with our core of RB's, we don't need to add Ricky even though he would be the perfect back for our system.

[3644Skins]

We don't want him because Ricky's Agents haven't reported to the press yet that we are interested in him. Seriously though, I would rather use the 3rd rounder on a position of need, say d or o line, then spend it on an aging RB who is a pretty big cap hit for 10-15 carries a game.


Ricky only gets the Vet minimum, his cap hit isn't big for what he brings to the table.

[GWBlitzST]

Ricky Williams is a fairy. He is not a team guy, and Joe Gibbs would never take, and certainly never trade for, a person who quit on his team.

[3644Skins]

If Ricky Williams were in a sane frame of mind, he would be a better fit for our offense then Portis.

But he isn't and I think Manuel Wright could be a pleasant surprise when all is said and done. Everyone is looking at Nemo, but I live here on the left coast and Manual Wright is a stud when healthy.


A stud? I wish that stud would have showed up last training camp, he was lost from day one.

[skin4life]

anyone who thinks ricky williams would not be a great addition to our offense obviously doesnt know what joe gibbs offense needs....

[HAWGZHEAD]

anyone who thinks ricky williams would not be a great addition to our offense obviously doesnt know what joe gibbs offense needs....Yes, Joe Gibbs needs a rastafarian running back who likes to take unexpected vacations. :rolleyes:

[skin4life]

all collateral issues like conduct and attendance will be mitigated by a well drafted performance based contract, just like with TO. peanuts for pro bowlers.

[ihatedallas]

Chris Mortenson said on ESPN a few nights ago that Nick Saban realy likesRicky Williams, and that theres a very good chance he starts over Ronnie Brown...Either way, Ronnie brown and Ricky Williams make a very good combination of speed and power in the backfield, I dotn see why Miami would trade him.

[IowaSkinsFan]

The latest runour as reported by the Denver Post is that the Broncos are/were interested in trading for Ricky Williams. My question is, as a back-up role, say 10-15 carries a game, would you trade our 3rd-rounder for Williams to be Portis' back-up. CP sure did get banged up this year, especially near the end of the season. Williams could lessen the load. But keep in mind we would have only one day one pick remaining if we let go of our 3rd-rounder.

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You can't have superstars at backup positions in this salary cap era of the NFL. It just isn't practical.

Besides, what's wrong with the combination of Betts and Cartwright? Add to that we haven't even seen what Nemo can do yet.

[santanadasavior]

You can't have superstars at backup positions in this salary cap era of the NFL. It just isn't practical.

Besides, what's wrong with the combination of Betts and Cartwright? Add to that we haven't even seen what Nemo can do yet.

I would be fine with just Rock and Nemo. Portis will get a majority of the carries and then they would fill in. That is probably the last position (excluding LB) that we need to be worried about.

[FanFromArizona]

The latest runour as reported by the Denver Post is that the Broncos are/were interested in trading for Ricky Williams. My question is, as a back-up role, say 10-15 carries a game, would you trade our 3rd-rounder for Williams to be Portis' back-up. CP sure did get banged up this year, especially near the end of the season. Williams could lessen the load. But keep in mind we would have only one day one pick remaining if we let go of our 3rd-rounder.

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Al Saunders is going to make some changes that are going to change VASTLY how our offense works. These changes will help Clinton's durability. We will have more blockers for Clinton, and we will probably see Clinton doing less blitz pickup coverage in favor of more going out as a receiver. These 2 reasons alone will mean Clinton will last longer this year. We will also continue to see the backup RBs spell time for Clinton as well, so overall I am looking for a more durable Clinton next year.

I think this offseason will see an evaluation of our player's blocking skills and depth and we will target this area [players that can play their position AND can block the snot out of opponents: these will be the core Redskins that we will want to keep next year] to strengthen for next year.

[GWBlitzST]

Al Saunders is going to make some changes that are going to change VASTLY how our offense works. These changes will help Clinton's durability. We will have more blockers for Clinton, and we will probably see Clinton doing less blitz pickup coverage in favor of more going out as a receiver. These 2 reasons alone will mean Clinton will last longer this year. We will also continue to see the backup RBs spell time for Clinton as well, so overall I am looking for a more durable Clinton next year.

I think this offseason will see an evaluation of our player's blocking skills and depth and we will target this area [players that can play their position AND can block the snot out of opponents: these will be the core Redskins that we will want to keep next year] to strengthen for next year.Durability is a huge issue with Portis, and I really didn't like seeing him staying in to block on EVERY third down. I can't wait to see audibles, screens to the running backs, and Sellers in at fullback next year. I also think that if we keep Betts that he will flourish in Saunders's system.

[DoGood]

Durability is a huge issue with Portis, and I really didn't like seeing him staying in to block on EVERY third down. I can't wait to see audibles, screens to the running backs, and Sellers in at fullback next year. I also think that if we keep Betts that he will flourish in Saunders's system.

Through no fault of his own. Our running game makes Portis take a lot of hits in and around the line of scrimmage. On most plays it seems like we leave him to fend for himself as he takes on the whole defense.

[bgforever]

Through no fault of his own. Our running game makes Portis take a lot of hits in and around the line of scrimmage. On most plays it seems like we leave him to fend for himself as he takes on the whole defense.

I believe JG knew he just wasn't getting him the lanes in today's defenses against him. No, as much as we love him, he's not God, and it showed often times in some big moments. However, Portis did more than most backs to get what he did ,and get this, he still finished among the top 7 backs in the league! It may appear small to many, but that is astoundning for a back his size, because there was a huge amount of 8 even 9 in the box!

Saunders will be able to some things he did with Holmes, but because of Portis other attributes, he will be able to do some things fit for a wide receiver.

[bosshog001]

:banghead: :banghead:

We have Betts and we have Rock and we have Nemo.

Why would we need a pot smoking RB past his prime?

Come on guys, Nemo, Rock, Betts (even when hes healthy). Anyone outside of DC would laugh at this comparison. The only think I would say is he commands far more than a 3rd and a bunch of money too.

[smoak]

Come on guys, Nemo, Rock, Betts (even when hes healthy). Anyone outside of DC would laugh at this comparison. The only think I would say is he commands far more than a 3rd and a bunch of money too.

I don't know that people feel Rock and Betts are BETTER than Williams, but I feel that they are good, experienced in the system, and character guys. I don't dislike Williams for retiring, but think for a second if a Redskin did that. The boards would be melting with the hate filled posts.

[Redskin4Life]

I don't know that people feel Rock and Betts are BETTER than Williams, but I feel that they are good, experienced in the system, and character guys. I don't dislike Williams for retiring, but think for a second if a Redskin did that. The boards would be melting with the hate filled posts.
Don't forget, Ricky's also an infraction away from taking a year off... I'd hate to have counted on him being the primary backup, only to have a set back and be lost for the year. Imagine if we lost Betts at the beginning of the year, not do to injury but drugs?!?!? We'd have to take ANYONE off the street to play RB?!!?

Let's give Manuel White, Rock and Nemo a chance to be the 2nd and 3rd guys after we trade Betts away...

[helimech24]

I believe JG knew he just wasn't getting him the lanes in today's defenses against him. No, as much as we love him, he's not God, and it showed often times in some big moments. However, Portis did more than most backs to get what he did ,and get this, he still finished among the top 7 backs in the league! It may appear small to many, but that is astoundning for a back his size, because there was a huge amount of 8 even 9 in the box!

Saunders will be able to some things he did with Holmes, but because of Portis other attributes, he will be able to do some things fit for a wide receiver.I think Portis is just a crazy back...Didn't he get quoted as saying that he prefers to run inside compared to stretch plays and sweeps?

[LuvSkins17]

I wonder if Ricky would be able to buy some of "Dat DC Good" if he came to the Skins. A true diehard fan wouldn't sell to him and would probably tell Gibbs.:lol1:

............................. well, that's what I would do.:rolleyes:

[bgforever]

I think Portis is just a crazy back...Didn't he get quoted as saying that he prefers to run inside compared to stretch plays and sweeps?


he's a throwback to Larry Brown, not big, not the plodder of Riggins, Motley, or Csonka, but he CAN have games inside, but not as many. His heart is so big, but face it, we can't have continually going one on one with Nose tackles and viscous DT's too often.

[The Skinsinator]

His heart is so big, but face it, we can't have continually going one on one with Nose tackles and viscous DT's too often.No probably not, but Al Saunders will get that taken care of. He will know how to use him perfectly. Inside or out, soon it won't matter. Clinton's all about the victories which he will rack up soon. I'm so pumped about Saunders signing up and can't wait to hear about the new #2. Please get a new #2 fo.

[bantu]

I would not trade for Williams unless we were giving away a 5th rounder or less. He is not worth that much. He is a backup runner (right now) and if anyone knows anything, it is that RB's can be picked up/ developed/ drafted in a variety of ways; so, trading away valuable picks that can be used to unearth a stud in the draft is just plain dumb to most GMs. A third rounder for him? That is nutz. First day picks are some of the most valuable commidities in the NFL, and some people want to use that to get a backup runner?? Yikes.

P.S. The weed thing with Williams does not get me worked up. For all you uptight people out there, I'm sure there are at least 5-6 Redskins that toke up all the time, and a bunch more that do it in social settings. You could be a flown blown crackhead for all I care, as long as our 'Skins keep winning.

[S.Taylor36]

I find it interesting that the Broncos have been linked to T.O. and Ricky but this article suggests that the Broncos are about $20 miilion dollars over the cap.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nfl/article/0,2777,DRMN_23918_4449911,00.html

[helimech24]

he's a throwback to Larry Brown, not big, not the plodder of Riggins, Motley, or Csonka, but he CAN have games inside, but not as many. His heart is so big, but face it, we can't have continually going one on one with Nose tackles and viscous DT's too often.Oh, I agree, I just find it funny that he likes it better being a smaller back. But Rickey won't help any because they are both the same type of back. We need a change of pace back, which Betts was suppose be but not.

[S.Taylor36]

Don't need that second hand smoke in our locker room. Why don't we go after Ricky...this is why.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2337252

[The Skinsinator]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2337252Idiot and it's only February. There are some player who you don't want on your team and he's one of them. I hope he tested positive for everything in the book so everyone can really see how much of a loser this guy really is. Ban him forever.

[S.Taylor36]

Idiot and it's only February. There are some player who you don't want on your team and he's one of them. I hope he tested positive for everything in the book so everyone can really see how much of a loser this guy really is. Ban him forever.

John Clayton just reported it was for a banned substance, not necessarily for weed. But either way, how could you ever take a risk with this guy? You know what's gonna happen. Much like I feel about T.O., he'll help your team but give him a year to mess it all up.

[The Skinsinator]

John Clayton just reported it was for a banned substance, not necessarily for weed. But either way, how could you ever take a risk with this guy? You know what's gonna happen. Much like I feel about T.O., he'll help your team but give him a year to mess it all up.
Marijuana or not, he should be responsible enough to not put in his body. He is privileged enough to be in the nfl and should be responsible/intelligent enough (of all people) to realize what he's doing. Evidently, he's not and should be gone.

[hail2skins]

Rumor has it the Redskins will be going after the following players in free agency:

QB's
Daunte Culpepper
Jake Plummer
Donovan McNabb
Matt Hasselback
Eli Manning
Peyton Manning

RB's
Edgerrin James
Tiki Barber
Tatum Bell

WR's
Marvin Harrison
Steve Smith

and a host of other players in the NFL. Come on down, you could be the next contestant on "Be A Redskin". :banghead:

[DCGreys]

I hear Jerry Rice wants to stop dancing and play with the BG next (according to cbssportsline.com)

[skinswin]

I guess we can close this thread now right??? There's no point. We now know that Williams is done. Please close this thread.:rolleyes:

[akhhorus]

I hear Jerry Rice wants to stop dancing and play with the BG next (according to cbssportsline.com)

You have a link for that?

[RicFlairOne]

Ricky went to India but missing the test is just as bad as testing positive.

[LavarEatsBabies]

I just read that Ricky Williams has a 4th strike, which means a one year suspension, so in the mean time there's no way we would want him. However, the strike might be the result of a missed drug test, because he is in India. Even if he does get exonerated, I like Nemo and the Rock.

[PennSkinsFan]

I am flabbergasted at this thread. I take a weekend off hR and come into this????

[CNYSkinFan]

I am flabbergasted at this thread. I take a weekend off hR and come into this????
to be fair this thread started in early February....but still it is a pretty crazy one anyways.

This is why we can't take risks on guys like Ricky Williams and TO....people don't change...they are who they are. You can only trust them to be themselves. And I want neither of them on my team.

[RicFlairOne]

I am flabbergasted at this thread. I take a weekend off hR and come into this????

This is what happens in the off season - boredom. Even before Ricky's latest incident, I and most of the others did not want him. Guy is selfish in many ways. Combines this week, then free agency / potential trades.

[ChiefPowhatan17]

We are too deep at RB to bring in someone who didn't want to play ball 2 years ago.

[bgforever]

I just read that Ricky Williams has a 4th strike, which means a one year suspension, so in the mean time there's no way we would want him. However, the strike might be the result of a missed drug test, because he is in India. Even if he does get exonerated, I like Nemo and the Rock.


Edgerrin James should be getting a call during the Combine, since many agents are doing business here for a week. Miami is perfect, his home area, in Amokalee and matches up to what a sober or whatever it is for a "good" Ricky Williams.

[IowaSkinsFan]

The latest runour as reported by the Denver Post is that the Broncos are/were interested in trading for Ricky Williams. My question is, as a back-up role, say 10-15 carries a game, would you trade our 3rd-rounder for Williams to be Portis' back-up. CP sure did get banged up this year, especially near the end of the season. Williams could lessen the load. But keep in mind we would have only one day one pick remaining if we let go of our 3rd-rounder.

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So, has this question be sufficiently answered?

[monkr]

The latest runour as reported by the Denver Post is that the Broncos are/were interested in trading for Ricky Williams. My question is, as a back-up role, say 10-15 carries a game, would you trade our 3rd-rounder for Williams to be Portis' back-up. CP sure did get banged up this year, especially near the end of the season. Williams could lessen the load. But keep in mind we would have only one day one pick remaining if we let go of our 3rd-rounder.

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he's a loon .

[santanadasavior]

We are too deep at RB to bring in someone who didn't want to play ball 2 years ago.

And if this drug test failure is true, we wouldn't even be able to use him. I think that whatever we would give up for him could be used better somewhere else.

[Dept_of_Defense]

Now that Ricky's failed a 4th test, I don't think he'll ever play again...