Colts' General Manager Says Wayne 'Won't Be a Redskin'

[BigPlayJay]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/03/AR2006020302680.html

Doesn't look like we have much of a shot at Reggie Wayne, cap space or no cap space.

[whitskins]

Yeah, I had resigned myself to accepting that he would not be on our team next year. Oh well, we'll still fill the void somehow.

[danny's stogie]

Wow, that' s kind of hateful to come out and directly say he won't be a Redskin. Why does Polian call out the Skins directly instead of simply saying Wayne isn't leaving the Colts? We've got a hater.

Come on Reggie, say it with me: "hold out". You want to play on a team with your boys and on a team run by a coach and not the team's QB.

[danny's stogie]

Yeah, I had resigned myself to accepting that he would not be on our team next year. Oh well, we'll still fill the void somehow.

Geez Whit, care to fill me in on how the void should be filled :rolleyes: .

[santanadasavior]

Wow, that' s kind of hateful to come out and directly say he won't be a Redskin. Why does Polian call out the Skins directly instead of simply saying Wayne isn't leaving the Colts? We've got a hater.

Come on Reggie, say it with me: "hold out". You want to play on a team with your boys and on a team run by a coach and not the team's QB.

He is calling us out because we are the biggest threat and Wayne has motivation to come here. I think a dose of irony would be their three big FAs (Wayne, James, Vanderjact) leaving. Wayne could leave for us which would be a big statement. James is going to just walk away because of the way the Colts are approaching this year, they are not takeing the running game seriously. Vanderjact will just walk. I still think this team is too soft to do anything in the playoffs.

[redskin_rich]

Wow, whats up with Polian naming the Redskins? Its not like we are a division rival, we're not even in the same conference. I guess the rumor mill in Indy has heated up on us acquiring Wayne.
Whatever, I would rather have Freeney from the Colts if I could pick one of their players. They will have a lot of money tied up in their QB and two top WR's, hope that works out for them...

[danny's stogie]

He is calling us out because we are the biggest threat and Wayne has motivation to come here. I think a dose of irony would be their three big FAs (Wayne, James, Vanderjact) leaving. Wayne could leave for us which would be a big statement. James is going to just walk away because of the way the Colts are approaching this year, they are not takeing the running game seriously. Vanderjact will just walk. I still think this team is too soft to do anything in the playoffs.

Even so, it's somewhat tactless to flat out name the team.

I think the defense is strong enough now. It still has it's flaws, but it won't kill them anymore. Peyton needs to take a step back, let Tom Moore do the coaching, and just play.

[dj_stouty]

If Edge is OUT in Indy, like he is letting on...then Reggie Wayne will be wearing blue/white again next year. No way they lose both.

Still wierd that he called out the Skins.

[Skinz4lyfe]

If Edge is OUT in Indy, like he is letting on...then Reggie Wayne will be wearing blue/white again next year. No way they lose both.

Still wierd that he called out the Skins.

Yeah I totally agree! But I think they might be making a mistake by letting Edge go. He's a great back and they better have a good replacement in mind. Anyway, Pollian calling us out like that kind of makes me wanna go to that Colts/Skins game next year.

[becky]

Wow, that' s kind of hateful to come out and directly say he won't be a Redskin. Why does Polian call out the Skins directly instead of simply saying Wayne isn't leaving the Colts? We've got a hater.



Seriously, that's just plain rude. Maybe it was the Post calling him for an interview so he just narrowed it down to the Redskins. Because otherwise, I really don't get it.

[bgforever]

Wow, that' s kind of hateful to come out and directly say he won't be a Redskin. Why does Polian call out the Skins directly instead of simply saying Wayne isn't leaving the Colts? We've got a hater.

Come on Reggie, say it with me: "hold out". You want to play on a team with your boys and on a team run by a coach and not the team's QB.


Told you guys, he reads the papers, the websites, etc. He's a hater alright. Been critizing the Skins, ever since Dan Snyder showed up (and didn't hire him). He's been ragging the Skins' cap in comparison, whenever he has to explain the obscure personnel he sometimes gets (he isn't perfect and sometimes the fans know its a crap shoot before he does). He also comments out of turn to appease those he knows favors anyone hating the Skins, so he carries a halo and tries to give the pitch fork to the Skins. Notice he rarely, if it at all mentions Joe Gibbs (yeah, his pride is hurt from us smoking that behind in the SB). Marv Levy, showed respect all the time (also being a former Skins ST coach).

I do respect Polian's job on picks, but I also dislike his continual bashing on the Skins, without being up front about "WHO he's talking about" , even though it is VERY obvious who he meant back then. I guess Joe Gibbs is making him look less than the guru he is and its tearing him up. Wayne is NOT the Skins savior - Joe Gibbs IS. Wayne would be used the same way we want for the WR we WILL get to compliment Moss and other perfectly, because Saunders is equal to Mora, period!

[redskin_rich]

Yeah I totally agree! But I think they might be making a mistake by letting Edge go. He's a great back and they better have a good replacement in mind. Anyway, Pollian calling us out like that kind of makes me wanna go to that Colts/Skins game next year.
Edge is a great back but as long as Peyton is there, he will never be fully utilized. The Colts don't need Edge, they can get 1000 yards out of a lot of backs for cheaper. Every defense they play has to gear to stop, or at least slow down, the Colts passing game, so there will always be room to run for whoever lines up in the backfield.

[S.Taylor36]

I never expected to get Wayne anyway.

I still want McCardell or Moulds if released.

[whitskins]

Geez Whit, care to fill me in on how the void should be filled :rolleyes: .

I've forgotten his name at the moment... It's something like Eric Mills... I don't know, he played for that team that wears blue jerseys...

[MONK_in_HOF]

Just don't understand why he singled the Redskins out like that.

[bgforever]

Yeah I totally agree! But I think they might be making a mistake by letting Edge go. He's a great back and they better have a good replacement in mind. Anyway, Pollian calling us out like that kind of makes me wanna go to that Colts/Skins game next year.


This is sentiment felt in the Colts fans remarks I get often. They understand the cap though and it hurts, but they also feel some players aren't as good as advertised and should be let go first. Tough call and yes I can understand Polian wanting to make it clear to ANY NFL team what his intentions are, even though, yes he stated it all season. However, SINGLING out ONE team in particular, when it was clear that from Tennessee to Dallas, to the Jets and KC to Houston, etc., there were many, many suitors for Reggie Wayne.
Each week it seems, another FO exec or Coach or writer puts his foot in his mouth taking a swipe at the Redskins, thinking its 1999 or 2000 all over again!

GET OVER IT ALREADY Polian!

[HAWGZHEAD]

Why must they smash my dreams? Polian you are a bad man, a very very bad man.

[skin4life]

good, in my personal opinioin wayne is not the answer. mark my words taylor jacobs will step up and patten will also excite. i cant wait till next season! i'm gonna try to figure out how many days until preseason starts and ill get back to you guys.

[BigCountry]

Good...bring on David Givens

[Slobberknocker]

Call me a contrarian, but as Shakespeare said, "My lady doth protest too much." Any time you go to such lengths to say you aren't going to do something, the more likely you probably are.

I know feelings are mixed about our needs at WR, but personally I hope Moss and Portis have been burning cell minutes and Wayne has the makings of a "core Redskin" and wants to play for Gibbs & Saunders.

That's the kind of attitude that money can't buy, and then -- all bets are off. Wayne could indeed still be a Redskin, but that would be totally up to him and his determination to part with Indy.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

haters. :rolleyes: all of you opposed to having wayne join the redskins should thank polian, because he would most likely have been a skin if he wasnt getting franchised. that comment made it clear that washington would have been reggie's first choice outside of indy.

[Slobberknocker]

haters. that comment made it clear that washington would have been reggie's first choice outside of indy.

Is it just me, or did Polian have an edge in his voice in those quotes? Perhaps a sense of desperation is setting in, kinda like Tampa before they brought in Gruden. I admire the heck out of Dungy, but that reputation still lingers of not quite being able to get his team to the dance.

Peyton so skews the cap, I wouldn't be surprised by anything. All I know is that franchising a guy only works for so long. Players chafe at the tag after awhile, even though, in Wayne's case, he'd be receiving a HUGE pay raise.

Pollard left for greener pastures last year, though ending up in Detroit is a mixed blessing, to say the least. It just seems the shoe has to drop somewhere, with Freeney, Manning, James, Harrison taking up so much of the salary pie.

I was just amazed he named the Redskins! Guess we're starting to get under a few team's "skins", eh?

We're baaaaaaaaaaack...

[DUCKIN_TACKLERS]

Good...Wayne wasnt gonna be a skin IMO. So id rather have him on the Colts. Plus if we get Antonio Bryant or David Givens we will get a Number 2 reciever that will excite but wont make us bankrupt.

[HanburgerBum]

It seems that Polian's outburst is an example of the resentment the small market teams harbor against the large market teams, and Washington is probably the face of the big financial bullies (like the Yankees in baseball) to them.

It almost sounds like Polian will do whatever it takes to prevent the Redskins from acquiring one of the Colts' free agents, even if Indy is cutting off its nose to spite its face. Keeping Wayne over James may not be the better move for the Colts, but, by golly, they will do it just so the big bad bully from Washington can't get its hands on Wayne. Hey, Bill, go for it. I don't see how losing James is going to help your Colts get to the dance, but you showed them bullies in DC. Now, you just have to convince your team and your fans that your team doesn't really need a nose.

The franchise tag on Waybe would be nearly 8 million dollars. This for a No. 2 receiver on a team that already has an astronomical cap number for its QB. That surely doesn't appear to make cap sense.

[cactusjack]

I really dont think Polian was trying to be nasty towards the Skins. Come on lets face it the press probally asked the question like this.......Bill what are your intentions with Wayne? Are you going to try and keep him, or let him go to one of the teams that is looking for a WR such as the Redskins? With Danny's track record of spending whatever it takes in free agency we are always linked to the flavor of the day free agent. I am glad we actually didnt go nuts last off season. Sound decisions were made. I believe Joe Gibbs will keep it sound again this off season. I truely believe he wants to build a constant contending team, that manages the cap and schedule well.

[akhhorus]

Wow, whats up with Polian naming the Redskins? Its not like we are a division rival, we're not even in the same conference. I guess the rumor mill in Indy has heated up on us acquiring Wayne.
Whatever, I would rather have Freeney from the Colts if I could pick one of their players. They will have a lot of money tied up in their QB and two top WR's, hope that works out for them...

The only reason they would bring the Skins' name up is if they are actually nervous about losing him to the skins. I've heard that they are threatening to use the franchise tag on him, but I don't think they can afford to pay Wayne the top 5 average of wideouts and pay Harrison, Freeney, Peyton et al. If they don't tag him, I think its about 50-50 that Wayne is a redskin. And I don't think his cap figure will impede the skins. The skins have been genius at working out contracts that has a tiny first year's cap figure. If the cap is truly going up 20+ million because of the new CBA, and/or the Skins clear Lavar's money out, they could easily pay Wayne the Vets minimum in 06(545k)+about 1.1 million pro-rated signing bonus as the first year in a long term deal. Then balloon his salary next year when there's a ton of cap space available.

[cactusjack]

Correct me if I am wrong but other than the "toe" trade. The Skins didnt dish out boatlads of cash on 1 player. Even the Rabach addition wasnt a over the top lets get the flashy name on the street and overpay kind of deal. I really doubt Wayne was or is on the Redskin radar. While he would be nice to have he is not the end all be all at #2. I seriously feel Joe and Co. will sell not the farm on Wayne or any other player. Shoot Saunders has had a great offense the last 5 years and has done so with WRs that were not priced in the top 10 range. He has however had 1 of the best OL in the league. Its seems to me that picking up some OL depth is on its way with a 2nd tier WR or 2.

[MWballer]

Wayne to me is a luxory, while A. Bryant will fill the need just as well. So either would be fine to me but I'd rather have bryant cheaper, younger, and I believe he has alot of potential.

[IMALILTEAPOT]

i think the reason why he signaled out the skins is because probably the WASHINGTON post called him and asked about Wayne. He probably said it with a laugh or something. But still, that shows how we have gotten a rep around the league that we can get anyone we want to come here, and as a fan, i love it

[828791Redskins]

Why must they smash my dreams? Polian you are a bad man, a very very bad man.

I think his panties are still in a bunch because us getting Marcus Washington. It doesn't matter anyway,i think that team is getting ready to go on a downfall. Either Edge or Wayne are gone. Harrison is getting older every year. And Manning can't win a big game even if the refs help him. The Defense is going to put a hurting on them next year.

[IMALILTEAPOT]

I think his panties are still in a bunch because us getting Marcus Washington.oooooh yea, thats true. i remember i read somewhere that he is still upset that he the skins got washington

[WinnpegSkinsFan]

This is sentiment felt in the Colts fans remarks I get often. They understand the cap though and it hurts, but they also feel some players aren't as good as advertised and should be let go first. Tough call and yes I can understand Polian wanting to make it clear to ANY NFL team what his intentions are, even though, yes he stated it all season. However, SINGLING out ONE team in particular, when it was clear that from Tennessee to Dallas, to the Jets and KC to Houston, etc., there were many, many suitors for Reggie Wayne.
Each week it seems, another FO exec or Coach or writer puts his foot in his mouth taking a swipe at the Redskins, thinking its 1999 or 2000 all over again!

GET OVER IT ALREADY Polian!

I'm very dissapointed in Polian - calling out the Skins shows a real lack of class. He is a good G.M. but his actions are out of bounds.

I know this sounds wierd but I'm actually pleased Wayne isn't coming to DC. If he is trying to be a #1 WR he would be really disapointed here because Moss is #1. I Also think Cooley is #2 (in terms of catches). If Wayne was looking to get an increased # of catches tis isn't the place. I think his stats would decline from the Colts and he could possibly start griping and causing locker room friction.

I've said this before - we need a guy who will be content catching 40-50 passes - #3 on the team. A guy like Kelley Washington who would be thankful to be on a starting roster would be ideal (providing Cincy doesn't tender him too high).

[Redskinfan28]

He's still pissed that the Skins got Marcus.

I want us to Moulds, if released.

[BurgundyNGold]

Well, if Polian is so bold, I suppose I can be just as bold:

The Colts will not win a Superbowl with or without Reggie Wayne.

[halter91]

Damn him. He just ruined my day. Well, when Art gets in the Hall of Fame it will get better. :sfight:

[GolfFreak]

I'm very shocked that he specifically said that he won't be a Redskin! Why not say something more general, like he's not going anywhere.

[akhhorus]

I'm very shocked that he specifically said that he won't be a Redskin! Why not say something more general, like he's not going anywhere.

This is what makes me believe that if Wayne hits the open market, he will sign with the Skins. The only reason Polian would bring up the Skins specifically is if he truly believes that Wayne either is going there or wants to go there.

[akhhorus]

I know this sounds wierd but I'm actually pleased Wayne isn't coming to DC. If he is trying to be a #1 WR he would be really disapointed here because Moss is #1. I Also think Cooley is #2 (in terms of catches). If Wayne was looking to get an increased # of catches tis isn't the place. I think his stats would decline from the Colts and he could possibly start griping and causing locker room friction.

Well, Wayne and Moss are good completmentary wideouts. Yes, Moss is the man here, but Wayne has been the sidekick to Harrison. He would be great as the Y here to Moss' X. I would be in favor of offering Wayne what Moss got in a contract. No more than that.

I've said this before - we need a guy who will be content catching 40-50 passes - #3 on the team. A guy like Kelley Washington who would be thankful to be on a starting roster would be ideal (providing Cincy doesn't tender him too high).

I think we can cross off Kelley Washington's name with Chris Henry getting busted in FLorida for the same thing Taylor did, only he did it right in front of a cop.

[PA Skins Girl]

This is what makes me believe that if Wayne hits the open market, he will sign with the Skins. The only reason Polian would bring up the Skins specifically is if he truly believes that Wayne either is going there or wants to go there.
Exactly. That's what I'm thinking. So, if that is true, the only way they keep him is to franchise him. Can they really afford $7.75 million for him with the contracts they gave Manning and Marvin? And even if they can afford him, will Wayne be happy with a franchise tag? Will he hold out?

I see the likely scenerio of them losing Edge and dealing the a messy contract holdout with Wayne.

Too bad you missed your opportunity this year, Indy fans.

[Ibleedburgundy]

I'm with cactusjack, I don't think Polian meant it in a derogatory manner. Then again, I just read the quote, I did not hear the guy say it.

[RedskinRyan]

Yeah, I had resigned myself to accepting that he would not be on our team next year. Oh well, we'll still fill the void somehow.

its always kinda been wishing thinking for me of having wayne and moss on the same team again. but since its the U connection, and our trend of getting players from there, i could see why polian would suspect we have interest in him. as for who else to fill hte void, maybe peerless price? he's a good #2 from his days in buffalo, as long as he has the desire to play.

[redskin_rich]

Wait a minute, didn't the Colts franchise Edge this past year? If so, I thought they couldn't use that tag on another player the following year.

[828791Redskins]

oooooh yea, thats true. i remember i read somewhere that he is still upset that he the skins got washington

I remember when the skins got him and I heard an interview with Polian crying about salary cap and big and small market teams. "We need more profit sharing waaaaa waaaaa!" " We want to keep our players but we can't afford them :cry:
!" I think he fills his stadium full enough and sells enough #18 jerseys to pay the salaries for players other than Manning.

[akhhorus]

Wait a minute, didn't the Colts franchise Edge this past year? If so, I thought they couldn't use that tag on another player the following year.

They can, but what they have to pay him is the new top 5 average+1 million bucks.

[HAWGZHEAD]

I want us to Moulds, if released.I want us to Wayne still :D. This may be even more of a reason to believe he may come here this year. Can Wayne reject the tag?

[IMALILTEAPOT]

I remember when the skins got him and I heard an interview with Polian crying about salary cap and big and small market teams. "We need more profit sharing waaaaa waaaaa!" " We want to keep our players but we can't afford them :cry:
!" I think he fills his stadium full enough and sells enough #18 jerseys to pay the salaries for players other than Manning.lol, i know, he shouldnt be whining because hes the one who decided to give some crazy amount of money for one person. if he didnt give the bank to manning, he would still have MW

[HAWGZHEAD]

lol, i know, he shouldnt be whining because hes the one who decided to give some crazy amount of money for one person. if he didnt give the bank to manning, he would still have MWThat team is not far from destructing. They better hope the players attitudes are high at all times. How many more times will they settle for just making the playoffs with the so-called best team in the NFL? If they don't go again this year I see alot of guys jumping ship if they have good enough offers.

[PA Skins Girl]

I want us to Wayne still :D. This may be even more of a reason to believe he may come here this year. Can Wayne reject the tag?
Not really. He can choose not to accept the tendered offer, but that doesn't put him back on the open market. It puts them in a stand-off.

By the time it plays out, it will be way too late for us. We'll need to make other plans if they franchise him.

[PA Skins Girl]

I guess one thing they could do is franchise him and then trade him like we did with Champ Bailey.

[bosshog001]

I agree, I don't think this was a light to the Redskins as much as a comment that he would not go to the highest bidder. On to the next contestant

[PyroGenic]

if wayne really wants to be here, the colts can't keep him from leaving them for more than one season. I think that the redskins being specifically mentioned means that moss and portis really convinced wayne it was worth it to be here. Besides, the way the CBA negotiations are going, there won't be a cap in 2007 ;)

[bantu]

I think the quote about the Redskins probably came from him being asked directly about the Redskins and their interest in a WR, and how that will effect re-signing Wayne.

[fent]

if wayne really wants to be here, the colts can't keep him from leaving them for more than one season. I think that the redskins being specifically mentioned means that moss and portis really convinced wayne it was worth it to be here. Besides, the way the CBA negotiations are going, there won't be a cap in 2007 ;)

they can tag him every year if they want to, but that gives them an expensive, pissed off wideout.

[PA Skins Girl]

they can tag him every year if they want to, but that gives them an expensive, pissed off wideout.
Right. The only exception that I know of to that is with Shaun Alexander, who made it a provision of him signing the franchise deal last year, that he could not be franchised again this year. Pretty smart.

[bgforever]

I never expected to get Wayne anyway.

I still want McCardell or Moulds if released.

I did a chart on expectations, player salaries, most likely contracts compatible to expectations and players available a year ago. I lost it and didn't redo it this year, but I figured one player who impressed JG, just like Riggs did when he had the Skins play against him, it was McCardell last year and another was Givens. I had Reggie Wayne the first time he was a RFA few years back, after his first season. Kenan McCardell has a few good years left, especially as a complmentary receiver and even though JG is enthusiastic about Patten coming back, it is interesting how this plays out to the Skins.

Look at the following:

Thrash, Patten, McCardell and Moss, with T. Jacobs dealt, if not released. Remember DMac got the same amount of playing time, when returning to playing under Gibbs, but as Jacobs did, it lead to his release. No if, ands or buts about it!

With that core 4 I can bring back A. Brown from NFLE, when the time is right, with a much more rosier attitude for he (The intenisty to be playing each week and counted on to perform will either improve him or doom him), as a backup and ST. We can add another FA, preferreably bigger, with hands at least. The ability to remove the defender from the jam and great hands, is the biggest thing you want. He only needs to be able to get 5-15 yds. If he gets more fine! This would be a situational, matchup receiver and as time goes on, he gets more reps toward the end of the season. See the bigger picture now?

A 6th receiver/ST is either Farris or someone else. Converting a sure handed, lighter in weight TE is a huge plus and should be explored.

[bgforever]

if wayne really wants to be here, the colts can't keep him from leaving them for more than one season. I think that the redskins being specifically mentioned means that moss and portis really convinced wayne it was worth it to be here. Besides, the way the CBA negotiations are going, there won't be a cap in 2007 ;)


You see with great vision that its actually Peyton Manning SPEAKING through Bill Polian about Reggie Wayne. It WAS such an emotional outburst by Polian, I am sure the Skins FO is :lol1: (and Dan Snyder - he may be thinking, "why is Bill so worked up???" "I haven't called Reggie's agent or anything").

When Bill Polian did that, it reminded me of Rodney Dangerfield, sweating profusely, literally dripping, pulling on his tie to loosen and shaking and saying.
"Nervous, who's nervous, eeeeh, I tell ya, I got noerves of steel!".

[BurgundyNGold]

Bill Polian: The greatest builder of 2nd place teams that the world has ever known.

[bgforever]

Bill Polian: The greatest builder of 2nd place teams that the world has ever known.


BINGO!!!

Rack him! You won 2 Superbowl Tickets!!! :lol1:

[HanburgerBum]

its always kinda been wishing thinking for me of having wayne and moss on the same team again. but since its the U connection, and our trend of getting players from there, i could see why polian would suspect we have interest in him. as for who else to fill hte void, maybe peerless price? he's a good #2 from his days in buffalo, as long as he has the desire to play.


I hope you are joking about Peerless Price. This guy got exposed once he left Buffalo and no longer had Moulds on the other side of the field. Atl released him shortly after giving up a 1st rounder for him, so you can imagine how bad he must have been. And, the Cowboys had him in for a cup of coffee before sending him on his way. Do you really think this guy, whom I would call "Useless-at-any" Price, can help he Skins?

[skins4me]

Polian is looking for any kind of 'moral' victory after yet amother heartless, gutless effort by his Colts. Wayne would be nice but gibbs will find a cheaper, lower profile option.

speaking of skins-hating check out the new Feinstein book about Billick and the Ravens. Like Polian, it sounds like they too have a case of small-man syndrome when it comes to joe Gibbs.

[ChiefPowhatan17]

Of course he says that, cause they want to sway us from bidding for him. We could at least drive up his cost for them.

[Cowboys Suck]

Let him hate all he wants...he's just sweatin right now because he has a bunch of potential playmakers on the verge of leaving and he can't pay them all. I'm guessing this childish attempt to show the size of his stones is his way of sending ol' Danny boy a public "nanny nanny boo boo" message. The FO can find a cheaper, more versatile player than Wayne and continue JGs crusade to eliminate players that are only interested in a big pay day and not the overall success/chemistry of the organization.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Wow, that' s kind of hateful to come out and directly say he won't be a Redskin. Why does Polian call out the Skins directly instead of simply saying Wayne isn't leaving the Colts? We've got a hater.

Come on Reggie, say it with me: "hold out". You want to play on a team with your boys and on a team run by a coach and not the team's QB.

Polian was upset when we signed Marcus Washington two years ago as an UFA before they even had a chance to talk to him. This is just his way of saying that this won't happen again.

[santanadasavior]

Polian was upset when we signed Marcus Washington two years ago as an UFA before they even had a chance to talk to him. This is just his way of saying that this won't happen again.

Agreed, that was a huge mistake on their part. Good on ours. I think that his improvement has been drastically aided by GW though.

[smoak]

Wow, whats up with Polian naming the Redskins? Its not like we are a division rival, we're not even in the same conference. I guess the rumor mill in Indy has heated up on us acquiring Wayne.
Whatever, I would rather have Freeney from the Colts if I could pick one of their players. They will have a lot of money tied up in their QB and two top WR's, hope that works out for them...

I did not even want Reggie Wayne and it annoyed me that Polian came out against us?? First Shanny in Denver and now Polian!? WTH!? Snyder must not be making friends in meetings.

[smoak]

Polian was upset when we signed Marcus Washington two years ago as an UFA before they even had a chance to talk to him. This is just his way of saying that this won't happen again.

That may be the case, but he should be upset with himself not the Redskins. I didn't blame the Eagles for signing Thrash, Kalu, and Barber the year they all left? I blamed us for being in a state of uncertainty and disarray.

[redwolf1218]

He can franchise him but he cant guarantee he wont be a Redskin, or play for any other team that wants to meet the terms of the franchise tag.

[LightsoutLA]

I didn't think they had enough money to franchise Wayne anyways with all thier other players they had to resign.I saw that on Pro football weekly one night. They will only be able to pay Wayne like 5.5 mil a year, if they Franchise him that would mean that the Colts would have to pay Wayne 7.7 mil for that year. I was under the impression that they couldn't afford that.

[redwolf1218]

I didn't think they had enough money to franchise Wayne anyways with all thier other players they had to resign.I saw that on Pro football weekly one night. They will only be able to pay Wayne like 5.5 mil a year, if they Franchise him that would mean that the Colts would have to pay Wayne 7.7 mil for that year. I was under the impression that they couldn't afford that.
they will continue to lose key players as long as Peyton Manning takes all his money out of that franchise. when he decides that he wants to win a super bowl and go down in history, he will take a pay cut and they will win it all, like Elway did with Denver. until then they will lose guys like Marcus Washington, Edge, and probably Wayne.

[LightsoutLA]

I think everyone on the Colts Defense are going to be Free Agents this year.

[PA Skins Girl]

He can franchise him but he cant guarantee he wont be a Redskin, or play for any other team that wants to meet the terms of the franchise tag.
The franchise tag means he cant negotiate with any other team while he is tagged. The team can decide to remove the tag at any time, though. Or they could franchise him and trade him, like we did with Bailey.

[PA Skins Girl]

they will continue to lose key players as long as Peyton Manning takes all his money out of that franchise. when he decides that he wants to win a super bowl and go down in history, he will take a pay cut and they will win it all, like Elway did with Denver. until then they will lose guys like Marcus Washington, Edge, and probably Wayne.
The problem with Manning's deal is they gave him $34 million in the first 12 months of the deal! Spread over 5 years, that's $6.8 million per year just in cap bonus alone (that number can not be reduced). Add his salary each year and his other yearly bonuses, and it's a monster.

[Redskin4Life]

The franchise tag means he cant negotiate with any other team while he is tagged. The team can decide to remove the tag at any time, though. Or they could franchise him and trade him, like we did with Bailey.
But if Wayne signs the offer sheet, the Colts will be responsible for the average salary of the Top 5 WRs on their cap next year. And if I remember correctly, that number was around 7.7M a year. They would have to take that on immediately. They can tag him with the intent to trade him (ie Bailey) but not without the space to keep him in case he signs the franchise deal.

[danny's stogie]

The problem with Manning's deal is they gave him $34 million in the first 12 months of the deal! Spread over 5 years, that's $6.8 million per year just in cap bonus alone (that number can not be reduced). Add his salary each year and his other yearly bonuses, and it's a monster.

I'm not a salary guru, but I've heard a few times via various media outlets that Manning's contract is actually less of a burden than some of the other top tier QBs like Brady, McNabb, and Vick.

[PA Skins Girl]

But if Wayne signs the offer sheet, the Colts will be responsible for the average salary of the Top 5 WRs on their cap next year. And if I remember correctly, that number was around 7.7M a year. They would have to take that on immediately. They can tag him with the intent to trade him (ie Bailey) but not without the space to keep him in case he signs the franchise deal.
Exactly. They have to clear enough space to tag him. I'm not sure they can do that either, but remember, these quotes from "experts" as to how much cap space a team has, are many times misleading (e.g., we are $20 million over the cap according to the experts, which is true on the surface, but a closer look shows that the number can be reduced easily by converting bonuses).

The number I saw from "The Commish" had Indy right at the cap value. I'm sure they have some wiggle room to get that number down, just like us.

[smoak]

I'm not a salary guru, but I've heard a few times via various media outlets that Manning's contract is actually less of a burden than some of the other top tier QBs like Brady, McNabb, and Vick.

I haven't compared them, but it is also relative. The Eagles don't spend on other players and have a ton of cap space compared to most NFL teams. I always thought Manning's contract year overt year was the worst?

[PA Skins Girl]

I'm not a salary guru, but I've heard a few times via various media outlets that Manning's contract is actually less of a burden than some of the other top tier QBs like Brady, McNabb, and Vick.
I've heard that too about Brady's contract. The price of a top notch QB is hefty, for sure. Maybe someday we'll have to do a deal like that with Jason Campbell!

[danny's stogie]

I've heard that too about Brady's contract. The price of a top notch QB is hefty, for sure. Maybe someday we'll have to do a deal like that with Jason Campbell!

Unquestioned QB stability...a dream I've had for 15 years. :D

[PA Skins Girl]

I found this on the Eagles cap. They are in good shape as always. The thing they do well is, they never have a large dead cap number (which means they dont make many personnel mistakes). The other thing is, they have a large LTBE cap credit. That is money they had left over from last year, that they stuck in someone's contract as "Likely to Be Earned". When the player doesnt reach the incentive, you get a credit the following year. We did that with Rock Cartwright last year to the tune of $1.15 million.

http://geocities.com/eaglescap/

[Redskin4Life]

I found this on the Eagles cap. They are in good shape as always. The thing they do well is, they never have a large dead cap number (which means they dont make many personnel mistakes). The other thing is, they have a large LTBE cap credit. That is money they had left over from last year, that they stuck in someone's contract as "Likely to Be Earned". When the player doesnt reach the incentive, you get a credit the following year. We did that with Rock Cartwright last year to the tune of $1.15 million.

http://geocities.com/eaglescap/
I think it's more a combination of drafting need positions in advance and not paying veterans than making personnel mistakes. If most of our team was on their first contract, we wouldn't be in "Cap Hell" too....

[whitskins]

I think it's more a combination of drafting need positions in advance and not paying veterans than making personnel mistakes. If most of our team was on their first contract, we wouldn't be in "Cap Hell" too....

Personnel mistakes have much more to do with it than just drafting though. Last year the Skins paid 13 million of their salary cap to Jeremiah Trotter and Laveraneus Coles. That is hard to swallow.

[Redskin4Life]

Personnel mistakes have much more to do with it than just drafting though. Last year the Skins paid 13 million of their salary cap to Jeremiah Trotter and Laveraneus Coles. That is hard to swallow.
True, we struggled but can you name the last 3 FA pickups of significance (more than camp fodder) for the Eagles excluding the 2004 spending spree -- TO and Jevon?

[BurgundyNGold]

True, we struggled but can you name the last 3 FA pickups of significance (more than camp fodder) for the Eagles excluding the 2004 spending spree -- TO and Jevon?
They haven't needed to do much in the FA market. They've drafted extremely well and with FA losses get even more compensatory picks to help replenish themselves with cheap talent via the draft. That's their model.

[Redskin4Life]

They haven't needed to do much in the FA market. They've drafted extremely well and with FA losses get even more compensatory picks to help replenish themselves with cheap talent via the draft. That's their model.
That's what I was saying... I was just bringing up the point to Whitskins. The last four guys were (and obviously not counting one-year deal guys):

Mike McMahon to a 2 yr deal (2005)
Jeremiah Trotter to a 5 yr deal (2005)
Paul Grasmanis to 3 yr deal (2004)
Dhani Jones to a 5 yr deal (2004)

[whitskins]

True, we struggled but can you name the last 3 FA pickups of significance (more than camp fodder) for the Eagles excluding the 2004 spending spree -- TO and Jevon?

Yeah that is a good point. I guess it probably goes hand in hand, they don't sign many FAs so they don't have the personel blow ups that we have. The draft is certainly the key to their formula.

[PA Skins Girl]

I can appreciate their mentality and it is considered a smart organizational approach.

As a fan though, I like to see every dollar spent on getting the best personnel on the team. I'd be really upset if we had $12 million to spend and didnt spend it. I guess I've been Dannytised.

[Redskin4Life]

I can appreciate their mentality and it is considered a smart organizational approach.

As a fan though, I like to see every dollar spent on getting the best personnel on the team. I'd be really upset if we had $12 million to spend and didnt spend it. I guess I've been Dannytised.
But isn't that the whole reason why the NFLPA isn't crying "MURDER"?!??! The cap is in place to limit large market, high income teams from spending wildly and FA forces teams to get the players that they want at money close to the cap without going over...

[Redskin4Life]

Yeah that is a good point. I guess it probably goes hand in hand, they don't sign many FAs so they don't have the personel blow ups that we have. The draft is certainly the key to their formula.
And the fact that they sign their draftees for a minimum of 4 yrs.... check it out. It's pretty disgusting really:

In the 2005 NFL Draft, the Eagles selected DT Mike Patterson in the first round with the 31st overall selection...With a pair of second round picks, the Eagles selected WR Reggie Brown and LB Matt McCoy...in the third round the Eagles drafted RB Ryan Moats. In the 2005 NFL Draft, the Eagles selected FS Sean Considine and OT Todd Herremans...in the fifth round the Eagles selected DE/LB Trent Cole and G Scott Young...in the sixth round the Eagles grabbed OT Calvin Armstrong...in the seventh round DT Keyonta Marshall and LB David Bergeron were selected.

07/29/2005 LB Matt McCoy Signed a five-year contract
07/27/2005 WR Reggie Brown Agreed to terms on a five-year contract
07/25/2005 OT Calvin Armstrong Signed a four-year contract
07/25/2005 LB David Bergeron Signed a four-year contract
07/25/2005 DT Mike Patterson Agreed to terms on a five-year contract
07/20/2005 RB Ryan Moats Signed a four-year contract
07/20/2005 DE Trent Cole Signed a four-year contract
07/18/2005 S Sean Considine Signed a four-year contract
06/15/2005 OG Scott Young Signed a four-year contract
06/13/2005 OT Todd Herremans Signed a four-year contract
06/08/2005 DT Keyonta Marshall Signed a four-year contract

In 2004 NFL Draft, acquired the 16th overall pick overall from San Francisco and selected OT/OG Shawn Andrews from Akansas. The Eagles traded their 1st round pick (28th overall) and 2nd round pick (58th overall) to the Niners... In the third round, the Eagles selected CB Matt Ware from UCLA. In 2004 NFL Draft, selected S J.R. Reed from South Florida and Trey Darilek from UTEP with a pair of fourth-round picks... In the sixth round, selected QB Andy Hall from the University of Delaware and CB Dexter Wynn from Colorado State... In the seventh round, selected OG Adrien Clarke of Ohio State; RB Bruce Perry from the University of Maryland; and OG/C Dominic Furio from UNLV. John Welbourn traded to Kansas City. In exchange, the Eagles received a 5th round draft choice in 2004, which they used to select University of Minnesota FB Thomas Tapeh. The Eagles also received a 4th round pick in 2005.

07/27/2004 FB Thomas Tapeh Agreed to terms on a four-year contract
07/27/2004 OT Trey Darilek Agreed to terms on a four-year contract
07/27/2004 S J.R. Reed Agreed to terms on a four-year contract
07/27/2004 CB Matt Ware Agreed to terms on a four-year contract
07/27/2004 OG Shawn Andrews Signed a six-year contract
07/26/2004 CB Dexter Wynn Agreed to terms on a four-year contract
07/26/2004 QB Andy Hall Agreed to terms on a four-year contract
07/23/2004 RB Bruce Perry Signed a four-year contract
07/23/2004 C Dominic Furio Agreed to terms on a four-year contract
07/14/2004 OG Adrien Clarke Agreed to terms on a four-year contract


http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/transactions.jsp

[Dexter72]

I'm not a salary guru, but I've heard a few times via various media outlets that Manning's contract is actually less of a burden than some of the other top tier QBs like Brady, McNabb, and Vick.

According to this article from Maske when Manning signed it, it is actually much, much worse...

"The contract calls for Manning to pocket all $34.5 million of the signing bonus by March 5, 2005. It begins with modest salaries of $535,000 for the upcoming season and $665,000 in 2005, but has roster bonuses of $9 million in 2006 and $10 million in 2007 to go with salaries of $1 million for each of those years. Its salary cap value jumps to $17.766 million in 2006."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A33299-2004May17.html

[PA Skins Girl]

And the fact that they sign their draftees for a minimum of 4 yrs.... check it out. It's pretty disgusting really:



07/29/2005 LB Matt McCoy Signed a five-year contract
07/27/2005 WR Reggie Brown Agreed to terms on a five-year contract
07/25/2005 OT Calvin Armstrong Signed a four-year contract
07/25/2005 LB David Bergeron Signed a four-year contract
07/25/2005 DT Mike Patterson Agreed to terms on a five-year contract
07/20/2005 RB Ryan Moats Signed a four-year contract
07/20/2005 DE Trent Cole Signed a four-year contract
07/18/2005 S Sean Considine Signed a four-year contract
06/15/2005 OG Scott Young Signed a four-year contract
06/13/2005 OT Todd Herremans Signed a four-year contract
06/08/2005 DT Keyonta Marshall Signed a four-year contract



07/27/2004 FB Thomas Tapeh Agreed to terms on a four-year contract
07/27/2004 OT Trey Darilek Agreed to terms on a four-year contract
07/27/2004 S J.R. Reed Agreed to terms on a four-year contract
07/27/2004 CB Matt Ware Agreed to terms on a four-year contract
07/27/2004 OG Shawn Andrews Signed a six-year contract
07/26/2004 CB Dexter Wynn Agreed to terms on a four-year contract
07/26/2004 QB Andy Hall Agreed to terms on a four-year contract
07/23/2004 RB Bruce Perry Signed a four-year contract
07/23/2004 C Dominic Furio Agreed to terms on a four-year contract
07/14/2004 OG Adrien Clarke Agreed to terms on a four-year contract


http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/transactions.jsp
How many of those guys made the final roster?

[santanadasavior]

How many of those guys made the final roster?

With all of their injuries this year they probably had a lot of them play that were not going to play otherwise.

[helimech24]

I know how much Hawgz wants Wayne, but this is probably a good thing so we doen't spend all of our money on one big name.