Art Monk Snubbed AGAIN!

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

The Hall of Shame strikes again. This is some :cussing:!

Acheman, Warren Moon, Harry Carson, Rayfield Wright, John Madden and RAyfield Wright make the cut but NO Art Monk!!

[DoGood]

That's it. I don't want Art Monk to be part of something so corrupt anymore.

[828791Redskins]

Peter King said if he had any control over the Hall of Fame, Harry Carson would be in it.Oh look and there he is.

[nicefellow31]

What about Irvin. No Monk, No Irvin!

[BandWagon]

He didn't even make it through the first reduction to 10. Simply unbelievable.

[LATrueRedskin]

Art Monk and Russ Grimm didn't even make it past the first election into the top 10.

[bgforever]

The Hall of Shame strikes again. This is some :cussing:!
Warren Moon?????? Soothing with the picks. Carson, ok, understand as he was more than a good choice, Madden well yes, Wright yes,

Aikman, aw come on, I can think of a bigger laundry list than that for compl perct. wins, etc. It seems the going criteria is now Superbowls and Pro Bowls ONLY.

Of Course somehow Monk was left at the altar. I can also think of other derserving LB's like Wilbur Marshall, with 2 rings with 2 different teams, and at least 5-7 Pro Bowls.

I can think of all sorts of reasons to have them in. Its not just a snub at Monk, its the finger at the Washington Redskins.

Face it, there will NEVER be an Art Monk in the Hall of Fame, until we hear that Peter King and his turds all choke on chicken bones or their own egos. Death to them all!

[828791Redskins]

He didn't even make it through the first reduction to 10. Simply unbelievable.

Cracky Irvin made it farther than Monk.

[BurgundyNGold]

What more is there to say on this? Harry Carson? Pffft. It's the biggest scam in sports that Monk isn't in. Neither the HOF nor SI will make a nickel off of me ever -- even if Monk does eventually get in.

[nicefellow31]

What is the final list. I'm at work and cannot hear the broadcast or see it.

[RedskinsDave]

The same reasons jerks like Zimmerman and King give for keeping Monk out could have been used on Moon. This is just a joke.

[BurgundyNGold]

Warren Moon?????? Soothing with the picks. Carson, ok, understand as he was more than a good choice, Madden well yes, Wright yes,

Aikman, aw come on, I can think of a bigger laundry list than that for compl perct. wins, etc. It seems the going criteria is now Superbowls and Pro Bowls ONLY.

Of Course somehow Monk was left at the altar. I can also think of other derserving LB's like Wilbur Marshall, with 2 rings with 2 different teams, and at least 5-7 Pro Bowls.

I can think of all sorts of reasons to have them in. Its not just a snub at Monk, its the finger at the Washington Redskins.

Face it, there will NEVER be an Art Monk in the Hall of Fame, until we hear that Peter King and his turds all choke on chicken bones or their own egos. Death to them all!
I would've taken Moon over Carson. By idiot King's own logic about Monk ("he wasn't even the best receiver on his own team") Carson shouldn't be in (Lawrence Taylor).

:devil2: :devil2:

[nicefellow31]

I would've taken Moon over Carson. By idiot King's own logic about Monk ("he wasn't even the best receiver on his own team") Carson should be in (Lawrence Taylor).

:devil2: :devil2:
Good point. However I would argue that Carson's best years were before Taylor arrived when he played on some god awful Giant teams.

[BurgundyNGold]

Good point. However I would argue that Carson's best years were before Taylor arrived when he played on some god awful Giant teams.
The same could be said for Monk, since Clark got there in '85 I think.

[HAWGZHEAD]

Man I was really hoping to hear different when I came in, this sucks.

[DoGood]

The same reasons jerks like Zimmerman and King give for keeping Monk out could have been used on Moon. This is just a joke.

Exactly. These guys are scum and shame on anybody that takes their opinions seriously. Just about everyone else on that board are as bad as those hate-mongers. Sheep. They have no thoughts of their own and allow some animals with a ridiculous personal problem with the Redskins to make up their mind for them. Shame.

[bgforever]

That's it. I don't want Art Monk to be part of something so corrupt anymore.


Hall of Shame is now envogue.

If you value your team and and as fans of players, coaches and owners, pray they DON"T pick your folks ever again. The jury has convened and the more than countless thousands have determined that the 39 writers, afraid to lose their priviledges to Peter King to be able to smell the behinds of the famous, are doomed in their next life for the LIES they perpetrated in this one.

So have your cake, eat it too. Soon the consumption will be upon your breath as is your intentions and hearts. Respect has departed the halls of the once glorius recognized. By taking in respected players and sprinking choices of deception to cover the scent of your foul decisions, and taking a token player to put salt in the wound, it is reversed back to all 39 that in their last breaths, their lies will pass before the eyes and find out why they are realized to be only mortals, not the gods they supposed.

May goodness and mercy follow the Washington Redskins and its deserving players and I have nothing for the doomed 39.

[BurgundyNGold]

A question for those who might know: Does Shapiro do Monk's presentation every year? If so, I think it might be time to get someone else to do it. ;)

[nicefellow31]

Carson pouted his way in. I wonder if he is going to turn it down like he said he was going to do. Unfortunately, Monk will probably never get in with all the younger guys coming in. Maybe Grimm and Jacoby will get the call someday.

[HAWGZHEAD]

I'm over the HOF completely. I will no longer let it concern me.

[PennSkinsFan]

I really have nothing to say thathas not been stated before. At this this point, I am emtionless with numbness.

[bgforever]

Good point. However I would argue that Carson's best years were before Taylor arrived when he played on some god awful Giant teams.


Exactly. Remarkle player, like Sam Huff. He put fear in the heart of opponents going up the middle and it was he that LT emulated once he turned pro.

[DoGood]

It is difficult for me to wish any Redskins to make it into the hall from here on out. In part, I hope that the Redskins can become the team that the hall snubs so everyone can see what a joke it is and that the Redskins will dominate without the recognition. We are the Washington Redskins, and that's all I need.

[redskin_rich]

Does this mean Troy got in on his first ballot? WTH is that? What records did he break?
What a sham. At this point, I don't want any more of our Redskins to be disgraced in the Hall of Shame.

[nicefellow31]

Does this mean Troy got in on his first ballot? WTH is that? What records did he break?
What a sham. At this point, I don't want any more of our Redskins to be disgraced in the Hall of Shame.

Yes. What is Aikman's signature moment? I can't remember any come from behind drives or head turning passes.

[fent]

Yes. What is Aikman's signature moment? I can't remember any come from behind drives or head turning passes.

i can remember one in particular against us in the 99 season (i think) to beat us at home in the last couple minutes of the game...anyone that complains about aikman being there needs to take off the Burgundy and gold shades. he deserves to be in the hall hands down.

[redskin_rich]

Yes. What is Aikman's signature moment? I can't remember any come from behind drives or head turning passes.
Unfortunately, I do remember a come from behind by 21 pts against us, opening day in '99. Nevertheless, there is no way Troy should have been a first ballot HOF'er.

[BandWagon]

So anyone see my point about starting a grassroots effort for next year? It's going to take a national outcry to get this fixed.

[redskin_rich]

i can remember one in particular against us in the 99 season (i think) to beat us at home in the last couple minutes of the game...anyone that complains about aikman being there needs to take off the Burgundy and gold shades. he deserves to be in the hall hands down.
Troy deserves it but not on the first ballot. He is not one of the best ever. Reggie White is and he should have gotten in first.

[fent]

Troy deserves it but not on the first ballot. He is not one of the best ever. Reggie White is and he should have gotten in first.

first ballot, fifth ballot, it's all the same. if you deserve to be in the hall, you deserve to be in the hall.

[nicefellow31]

i can remember one in particular against us in the 99 season (i think) to beat us at home in the last couple minutes of the game...anyone that complains about aikman being there needs to take off the Burgundy and gold shades. he deserves to be in the hall hands down.

I not saying he is not HOF deserving, but first ballot. No way. All the Aikman supporters agrue that he QB'd The Cowboys 3 Super Bowl teams. If that is the argument, then why not Jim Plunkett? He QB'd 2 Super Bowl teams and threw for 1 less career TD pass.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

Does this mean Troy got in on his first ballot? WTH is that? What records did he break?
What a sham. At this point, I don't want any more of our Redskins to be disgraced in the Hall of Shame.
none. he has good numbers, but i think the playoff victories and super bowl trophies (that shouldve put ) put him over the edge. i just checked out his stats and nothing stood out to me. moon is in the top ten in a bunch of stats, acheman is in the top ten in concussions. :rolleyes:

[nicefellow31]

first ballot, fifth ballot, it's all the same. if you deserve to be in the hall, you deserve to be in the hall.

So I guess there is some hope for Monk?

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

I not saying he is not HOF deserving, but first ballot. No way. All the Aikman supporters agrue that he QB'd The Cowboys 3 Super Bowl teams. If that is the argument, then why not Jim Plunkett? He QB'd 2 Super Bowl teams and threw for 1 less career TD pass.
im with you and and redskin rich. aikman is HOF worthy but first ballot? i dont know about that......

[fent]

So I guess there is some hope for Monk?

i didn't say it meant you WOULD BE in the hall...just that if you deserve to be there, you deserve to be there regardless of what ballot you go in on. the idea that you don't put a guy in on the first ballot just because it's his first is out in left field. if you do that, then you're telling people there are different levels of the HoF.

[bgforever]

It is difficult for me to wish any Redskins to make it into the hall from here on out. In part, I hope that the Redskins can become the team that the hall snubs so everyone can see what a joke it is and that the Redskins will dominate without the recognition. We are the Washington Redskins, and that's all I need.


It WILL be a motivating factor for the NEXT 10 years to seize the Supberbowl trophy and make sure that PK can fill the Hall of Shame with as many of his fantasy picks as he wants, but in doing so, every team will cry out for the Lombardi instead. Of course they will be asked by many, "Aren't you happy that so many of your players are in the Hall of Fame from the 1980's and 1990's???
LOL! :lol1: Who will freakin' care for such a watered down later day election process. The fans are at the mercy of players they KNOW belong there, but voted in by people who sip their coffee and eat their doughnuts, skimming websites and articles of each other, instead of gathering real facts.

Give me the GAME and the LOMBARDI, I DON'T RECOGNIZE the HOF!
Oh by the way, which makes the player's family more happy, the check to pay the mortgage or the bust that can be removed with BAD PRESS, as well as INSTALLED with EXTORTION? Family wins - Give me the GAME< PLAYERS<LOMBARDI< and PAY! None of these are determined by the HOF, thank God!

[nicefellow31]

i didn't say it meant you WOULD BE in the hall...just that if you deserve to be there, you deserve to be there regardless of what ballot you go in on. the idea that you don't put a guy in on the first ballot just because it's his first is out in left field. if you do that, then you're telling people there are different levels of the HoF.

One could argue that there are levels to the HoF. If you are a Hall of Famer then you are a Hall of Famer. If a player is not good enough to go in 2005, then why is he is good enough to go in 2006? Basically, because the voters think that someone who is better (ie at a higher lever) deserved to get in.

[flave1969]

The NFL tires me out, there are so many things that it gets wrong and is never willing to address.

What is the point of having players come back year in and year out and suffer this embarrasment, hurt and frustration? They deserve better than having to go through this each year.

I am disgusted but not surprised.

[BurgundyNGold]

The NFL tires me out, there are so many things that it gets wrong and is never willing to address.

What is the point of having players come back year in and year out and suffer this embarrasment, hurt and frustration? They deserve better than having to go through this each year.

I am disgusted but not surprised.
Me too. I mean, how many times can I call Peter King a tool?

[DoGood]

It WILL be a motivating factor for the NEXT 10 years to seize the Supberbowl trophy and make sure that PK can fill the Hall of Shame with as many of his fantasy picks as he wants, but in doing so, every team will cry out for the Lombardi instead. Of course they will be asked by many, "Aren't you happy that so many of your players are in the Hall of Fame from the 1980's and 1990's???
LOL! :lol1: Who will freakin' care for such a watered down later day election process. The fans are at the mercy of players they KNOW belong there, but voted in by people who sip their coffee and eat their doughnuts, skimming websites and articles of each other, instead of gathering real facts.

Give me the GAME and the LOMBARDI, I DON'T RECOGNIZE the HOF!
Oh by the way, which makes the player's family more happy, the check to pay the mortgage or the bust that can be removed with BAD PRESS, as well as INSTALLED with EXTORTION? Family wins - Give me the GAME< PLAYERS<LOMBARDI< and PAY! None of these are determined by the HOF, thank God!

BG sure is fired up.:devil2: I'll take the Lombardi, everyone else can worship that poor excuse for a hall of fame. From here on out, hall of fame will be written in all lowercase!

[santanadasavior]

Folks, this is not as bad as we think. All of us know that he belongs in the Hall and it is simply unbelievable that he isn't there already. He is better than everyone there and the only one that I think he isn't is Reggie White and not one person in the world can argue with his induction. There is no need for us to get this upset. WE know his greatness and he is forever on our first ballot. The people that vote for this truly have no class and dignity. I just think that as long as we recognize him properly we don't need them to recognize him. He will get in someday, then we can say I told you so. Until then, relish the fact that we are the only ones who can properly see greatness.

[flave1969]

if you do that, then you're telling people there are different levels of the HoF.

Well the voting tells us that anyway. Take Harry Carson today, certainly the last four years have seen the same judges barring one or two keep him out. What did he do that made him any more or less deserving this year than in previous years, NOTHING. All it tells me is that when the mood takes you can get in.

Last year Irvin makes the final six ahead of Carson, this year it is the other way round and Carson gets in. It is inconsistent and shows that there is no structure in the voting process which means that there are different levels of criteria for people to get in.

It is a joke and it needs a serious overhaul.

[fent]

Well the voting tells us that anyway. Take Harry Carson today, certainly the last four years have seen the same judges barring one or two keep him out. What did he do that made him any more or less deserving this year than in previous years, NOTHING. All it tells me is that when the mood takes you can get in.

Last year Irvin makes the final six ahead of Carson, this year it is the other way round and Carson gets in. It is inconsistent and shows that there is no consistency in the voting process which means that there are different levels for people to get in, if not in the Hall itself.

It is a joke and it needs a serious overhaul.

i think this had A LOT to do with the pipe found in Cracky McCrackerson's car

[bgforever]

BG sure is fired up.:devil2: I'll take the Lombardi, everyone else can worship that poor excuse for a hall of fame. From here on out, hall of fame will be written in all lowercase!

Yeah, I want the LOMBARDI's. Ask the players what is the ultimate TEAM

HONOR? It is not INDIVIDUAL RECOGNITION IN THE WRITER"S SUCK UP HOUSE masquerading as a place of true HONORARIUM, but is a mock made up of folks who would be made broke by oddsmakers, because that's how much they know their football.

The ULTIMATE TEAM HONOR< HONOR TO PLAYER COMMUNITY PARTICIPATION<ORGANIZATIONAL RECOGNITION is the........

LOMBARDI TROPHY!

Ask ANY PLAYER TOMMOROW which is more important, to be with those who sacrificed WITH YOU or those who MOCK YOU?

[HAWGZHEAD]

Until then, relish the fact that we are the only ones who can properly see greatness.But that is just the point. Those, who it is their job to see greatness and recognize it have obviously turned the hall into a sham.

[santanadasavior]

But that is just the point. Those, who it is their job to see greatness and recognize it have obviously turned the hall into a sham.

I recognize that and it is very shameful that he has not been recognized for his accomplishments. My point is that we should not worry about what outsiders think of our guy, we should just enjoy the times he gave us and when the day comes that he makes the Hall, then we can say that they aren't as stupid as we give them credit for.

[redskin_rich]

i think this had A LOT to do with the pipe found in Cracky McCrackerson's car
So what, what does that have to do with what happens on the footbal field? So by saying that, you're admitting its all about politics.

[fent]

So what, what does that have to do with what happens on the footbal field? So by saying that, you're admitting its all about politics.

i'm not arguing that it isn't about politics at all. i'm trying to say that it shouldn't. if it were up to me, there wouldn't be a limit as to how many get in each year. if you're deserving to be in, you're in, if not, you're not. i think it's a sham because politics plays such a big part of it, as evidenced by the pipe. i was just pointing out why this particular case changed.

[bgforever]

Folks, this is not as bad as we think. All of us know that he belongs in the Hall and it is simply unbelievable that he isn't there already. He is better than everyone there and the only one that I think he isn't is Reggie White and not one person in the world can argue with his induction. There is no need for us to get this upset. WE know his greatness and he is forever on our first ballot. The people that vote for this truly have no class and dignity. I just think that as long as we recognize him properly we don't need them to recognize him. He will get in someday, then we can say I told you so. Until then, relish the fact that we are the only ones who can properly see greatness.

first of all, I don't care if he gets in! Any of them. Art Monk has something they never can take away and he got it by slamming PK's boys in the mud at RFK and abroad! He got his 5 Div Title Rings, he got his 4 NFC Championship Rings, He got his 3 Superbowl Rings, countless playoff games, big games and memories stored in heaven. He has his dedicated and loved family, friends, fans, business associates, etc. He has it all and again, I reinerate to you and others, all the Hall is, is a place where a bunch of writers got together and agreed to steal the process away from the REAL fans, so they could have recognition, like a country club. I swear to you, that's all it is - a Club.

When you meet your maker, it will never be mentioned what was in there.

It will be what I mentioned about team efforts and real people, not gadgets, politics and favortism, because you did it with and for OTHER people, not just for yourself. That place the writers picked is just like giving the QB all the credit after a big win. it took 22 men acting to make it happen, but the PRESS picked the LEAD story and the readers ate it.

The truth was in the lockerroom, not the press room.

[BurgundyNGold]

BTW, does Art still live in town? If not, where did he move off to?

[bgforever]

BTW, does Art still live in town? If not, where did he move off to?


Isn't Art Monk from NY? I know he went to Syracuse like McNabb, Jim Brown, Leroy Keyes,M. Harrision, D. Freeney, but I thought he was from Brooklyn???
He might have moved there, or lives outside of either Bethesda or Ashburn.

[frankez99]

Pathetic.:banghead: I just hope Darrell Green doesn't get the same disrespectful treatment. Harry Carson over Art Monk? Warren Moon? PUUULEEEEAAASEEEE.:rolleyes:

[redskin_rich]

BTW, does Art still live in town? If not, where did he move off to?
I would assume he does, he still does his youth football camps in VA and MD.

[SkinsASchamps]

Thats pretty horrendous but Im glad Madden got in. He has done a lot for the sport and is one of the people in football that I like a lot.

[remaxjon]

BTW, does Art still live in town? If not, where did he move off to?


I think he still lives in the area I went to college in Salisbury and his son played on the football team there.

[ihatedallas]

b-b-b-b-bullcrap.

[GWBlitzST]

Thats pretty horrendous but Im glad Madden got in. He has done a lot for the sport and is one of the people in football that I like a lot.Madden's own players admitted that they would have been more successful (winning Super Bowls) had he not been their coach. Apparently that team was so full of talent that any coach could have gotten them to the playoffs. Tim Brown called him out on it last week. He is only in because of his tired video game. I feel that good regular season records are of little significance when it comes to how good a coach is. I mean the guy didn't even travel with his team to games because he was afraid to fly. Art Shell is more deserving as far as I'm concerned.

That said, the name that stands out to me that has no business getting further in the voting that Monk is Thurman Thomas. What did this guy do outside of the 4 year SB losing streak? Real winner, that guy. The AFC sucked back then, which is why he made it to the SB in the first place. He lost his helmet at the Super Bowl for Christ's sake.

[redskin_rich]

Madden's own players admitted that they would have been more successful (winning Super Bowls) had he not been their coach. Apparently that team was so full of talent that any coach could have gotten them to the playoffs. Tim Brown called him out on it last week. He is only in because of his tired video game. I feel that good regular season records are of little significance when it comes to how good a coach is. I mean the guy didn't even travel with his team to games because he was afraid to fly. Art Shell is more deserving as far as I'm concerned.

Madden did fly with his team, he hated it but did it. He stopped flying when he stopped coaching. He has the best winning percentage of any coach ever and he had to compete with more talented teams than he had like Pittsburgh and Miami. I have heard Gibbs say the same thing about his players making his job easy, its called being humble.

[bgforever]

Before I wipe my u know what with the last of the pages of the How in the F,

I must ask this question, Do any of you recall WHO's in the College HOF and do you hear former college players clamouring or worshipping it. NO. Seems to me, you would lose incentive to teach TEAMWORK, by singling out only individuals. Oh and remember in college they don't get paid either, so MONEY DOES have something to do with WHO's doing the wriiting and WHO's doing the playing. I never caught onto the HOF that much anyway. It was always a place of contradictions. Why was Don Shula blocked so long. What did Chris Hanburger do, that he couldn't get in before Harry Carson, (Hanburger went to 9, count them 9 FREAKIN' Pro Bowls!!!!! The TEAM he played on, sent 5 people to the HOF, even though it didn't send a single player in the playoffs in the 1960's! Jurgenson, Huff, Mitchell, Krause, Taylor. Why wasn't L C Greenwood taken ahead of Carson, or what did Theismann do wrong for consideration? Why does a player like Bob Kuechenberg get snubbed repeatedly, even though it was he who was like the rock to the 70's Dolphins teams, repeated in the Pro Bowls and on the undefeated team of the ages!

Yes, we are too old, if we remember those moments and unless we have been in the IN CROWD, who basically relate to their FANTASIES, like the Madden games, the Aikman years of the 90's or the long ball with Warren Moon (what a way to SNUB some of the more achieving QB's who busted their ass every year, for a win, and willed that team to win, while Moon was more of the "always looking long" when it killed the team). The honeymoon is over and my heart aches.



Ok I am over it now. No revenge back to loving the GAME. Writers write, PLAYERS PLAY and that's all I care about, the GAME, opinions, we all got em, but no one can take away what I love about the game.

[BigCountry]

Well you knew Madden and Aikman was a lock because of the commentator rule and ReggieWhite is very deserving but I'm suprised L.C Greenwood didn't get in. Like I said before, Darrell Green looks to be our only hope.

[bgforever]

Well you knew Madden and Aikman was a lock because of the commentator rule but I'm also shocked Reggie White and L.C Greenwood didn't get in.


White got in

[BigCountry]

White got in

Yeah I just fixed that but another thing I don't understand is how you put Wright in over Zimmerman AND Grimm. Grimm was a member of arguably the best offensive line of all time and Zimmerman was a part of a running game that won 2 superbowls, produced a 2,000 yard rusher and a superbowl mvp. The only things that are consistant about this process are the shady things, i.e if you're a commentator on one of the big networs, you're in.

[GWBlitzST]

Madden did fly with his team, he hated it but did it. He stopped flying when he stopped coaching. He has the best winning percentage of any coach ever and he had to compete with more talented teams than he had like Pittsburgh and Miami. I have heard Gibbs say the same thing about his players making his job easy, its called being humble.
I doubt you'd ever hear a former Redskin say they could have won more playoff games if Joe hadn't been the coach.

[redskin_rich]

I doubt you'd ever hear a former Redskin say they could have won more playoff games if Joe hadn't been the coach.
What Raiders players said that about Madden?

[bgforever]

Yeah I just fixed that but another thing I don't understand is how you put Wright in over Zimmerman AND Grimm. Grimm was a member of arguably the best offensive line of all time and Zimmerman was a part of a running game that won 2 superbowls, produced a 2,000 yard rusher and a superbowl mvp. The only things that are consistant about this process are the shady things, i.e if you're a commentator on one of the big networs, you're in.

I think that was confusing too.

[Odyn]

I believe this vote is more about Dan Snyder than it is about Art Monk and Russ Grimm. You can't have a shootout with the Washington Post and expect NFL "Writers" to vote for your players for the HOF. It's too bad but that's the way it is these days. We will see if Darrell Green gets in.

[BigCountry]

I think the problem with Monk is due to shadyness of the hall of fame, a guy with relatively low yards per season and touchdowns per season numbers, and such a low profile will have a hard time getting in. I think he's one of the best ever, but he just doesn't match the slanted hall of fame criterias.

[nicefellow31]

Madden's own players admitted that they would have been more successful (winning Super Bowls) had he not been their coach. Apparently that team was so full of talent that any coach could have gotten them to the playoffs. Tim Brown called him out on it last week. He is only in because of his tired video game. I feel that good regular season records are of little significance when it comes to how good a coach is. I mean the guy didn't even travel with his team to games because he was afraid to fly. Art Shell is more deserving as far as I'm concerned.

That said, the name that stands out to me that has no business getting further in the voting that Monk is Thurman Thomas. What did this guy do outside of the 4 year SB losing streak? Real winner, that guy. The AFC sucked back then, which is why he made it to the SB in the first place. He lost his helmet at the Super Bowl for Christ's sake.

Forget about Madden not coaching the team to the Super Bowl. It was the Pittsburgh Steelers and their incredible team that prevented them from winning Super Bowls. The Raiders were talented but the Steelers were better.

[redcayman]

My anger over Monk's slight has dwindled a bit. The people who they placed in the Hall deserved to be in (even Aichman). I think I would be a lot more pissed if they had not taken the max number allowed. I still think Monk deserves to be there but unfortunately it was not his year. I think we need to start lobbying harder and earlier next year so that one of the greatest recievers to play the game finallly gets his due.

[44FAN]

If they had a Hall of Fame for class, Art would be a first vote inductee. I'm absolutely pissed that he got overlooked again. :mad:

Art, if you're reading this you've always been a Hall of Famer in every Redskins fans heart.

[wewantdallas]

Well, it looks like I"m going to be making my Monk video over the next few months. It's going to rock, and when the time comes, hopefully some of you can help me get addresses to send it to.

This fight is not over!!

Scumbags.

[redskin_rich]

Well, it looks like I"m going to be making my Monk video over the next few months. It's going to rock, and when the time comes, hopefully some of you can help me get addresses to send it to.

This fight is not over!!

Scumbags.
You know where I am, I'll gladly pay for a copy.

[Emmanouel8]

Who cares, we said the same things last year and next year the same thing again, Get over it the HOF is a sham! It was no surprise to me. It's going to be a while before Monk gets in at this point, high profile media darlings playing closer to this era are eligible now and more marketable. I don't see him getting buy a lot of those guy's any time soon.

[rskinsfan10]

I believe this vote is more about Dan Snyder than it is about Art Monk and Russ Grimm. You can't have a shootout with the Washington Post and expect NFL "Writers" to vote for your players for the HOF. It's too bad but that's the way it is these days. We will see if Darrell Green gets in.Sorry, but that makes absolutely no sense, especially considering the two writers that vote from the Post let it be known publically that they vote for Monk every year.

[HAWGZHEAD]

Does hof eligibility ever expire? Is there a certain amount of time you have to make it in before you are no longer eligible?

[Chief Seeway]

Does hof eligibility ever expire? Is there a certain amount of time you have to make it in before you are no longer eligible?

I think there comes a point when a player is put in the "senior" class. This may be Monks only shot.

I hate the voting process of the HOF. They should revamp the entire process.

We're almost at the point we should be writing to the Hall instead of the voters about this obvious injustice.

[skins111111]

they have to take him sooner or later.....this snub in getting widely publicised

[robotfire]

i can remember one in particular against us in the 99 season (i think) to beat us at home in the last couple minutes of the game...anyone that complains about aikman being there needs to take off the Burgundy and gold shades. he deserves to be in the hall hands down.
agreed. Tom Brady hasn't broken any records or anything either, but I think he's the best QB in the league right now. It's all about wins and Super Bowls, not carrying your team on your shoulders like Peyton Manning with stats (and having nothing to show for it). To me, a good quarterback wins a lot of games.

Clint

[robotfire]

I think the problem with Monk is due to shadyness of the hall of fame, a guy with relatively low yards per season and touchdowns per season numbers, and such a low profile will have a hard time getting in. I think he's one of the best ever, but he just doesn't match the slanted hall of fame criterias.
I could be wrong, but doesn't Art Monk have better stats than Michael Irvin? How did Michael Irvin get further in the voting?

Clint

[GeneralDisorder]

I could be wrong, but doesn't Art Monk have better stats than Michael Irvin? How did Michael Irvin get further in the voting?

Clint

Irvin unfortunately comes as part of the package. You can't only have two triplets in the HoF...

[ChiefPowhatan17]

2 Cowboys makes me sick. Monk may never get in now. All this adversity.

[Dept_of_Defense]

Monk probably won't ever get in now. Check out what Dr. Z said: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/dr_z/02/04/hof.qa/1.html

SI.com: What about Art Monk?

Dr. Z: The negative is that when you played the Redskins, you didn't say, "How can I stop Art Monk?" He wasn't a focal figure. The positive about Monk: All he did was help the team win. He was a good, sturdy team guy. But that wasn't enough

[nicefellow31]

agreed. Tom Brady hasn't broken any records or anything either, but I think he's the best QB in the league right now. It's all about wins and Super Bowls, not carrying your team on your shoulders like Peyton Manning with stats (and having nothing to show for it). To me, a good quarterback wins a lot of games.

Clint
I said this yesterday. Jim Plunkett led the Raiders to two Super Bowl victories. Nobody is calling for him to be in the Hall of Fame. What about our beloved Sonny Jurgensen? He didn't lead his team to a championship, yet we all agree that he was a great QB. Wins and Super Bowls are just part of the discussion.

[flave1969]

, Monk probably won't ever get in now. Check out what Dr. Z said: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/dr_z/02/04/hof.qa/1.html

SI.com: What about Art Monk?

Dr. Z: The negative is that when you played the Redskins, you didn't say, "How can I stop Art Monk?" He wasn't a focal figure. The positive about Monk: All he did was help the team win. He was a good, sturdy team guy. But that wasn't enough


Trouble is Dr Z. and Peter King never played against Art Monk, they never even suited up. I can think of 940 times teams did not stop Monk. They couldn't stop him catching the ball for 178 straight games. He was so easy to stop except the 68 times he scored a TD. Any team that tries tostop one player will get beat by another. It is a ridiculous argument.

King says that the Giants saw Monk as the third or fourth threat and judges Monk's career on that. How many games did Peter King actually see of Monks as a reporter for Newsday. As a reporter on the Giants I would say 8 out of the 56 Monk played during that time, the 8 versus New York. Monk Caught 274 passes for 3723 yards whilst King reported on the Giants. How is this man qualified to judge Monk when he missed a quarter of the Games Monk played in his career. If he was doing his job he might have seen Monk try single handedly to beat the Giants in the NFC championship game, he caught 8 passes for 126 yards on that day when the Skins did squat, Schroeder only had 195 yards passing that day and Gary Clark was injured.

When Monk was asked to carry the load on his own he did it. As I keep saying you do not win Championships that way. As great as Steve Largent was how many playoff games did he win, three, in fact Seattle made the playoffs just four times. Great players do not win games on their own, they do not ensure victory. I get tired of seeing team players punished for being just that team players.

The narrow view that players are voted in on has created a selectivity. Monk was the best possession receiver bar none and you need players like that. If you have that narrow view then you have to ask why are players who meet this criteria never considered, Mark Clayton, Mark Duper, Harold Carmichael, Gary Clark all fit the bill of what a Hall of Fame receiver should be if you compare them to Swann and Stallworth.

The Hall is meant to be selective but it is meant to be fair. The voting is not fair and will not be if a guy like Zimmerman can serve 14 years as a voter, yet vote on each player as if they had to meet a stereotype that is plain wrong.

[RicFlairOne]

Monk probably won't ever get in now. Check out what Dr. Z said: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/dr_z/02/04/hof.qa/1.html

SI.com: What about Art Monk?

Dr. Z: The negative is that when you played the Redskins, you didn't say, "How can I stop Art Monk?" He wasn't a focal figure. The positive about Monk: All he did was help the team win. He was a good, sturdy team guy. But that wasn't enough

It's all about hype. Moon gets in just because he played forever. Madden won one Super Bowl but his mug is all over the place so he gets in. These SI guys are the worst. I cancelled my subscription 4 years ago in disgust got tired of reading negative things about the skins.

[RicFlairOne]

I could be wrong, but doesn't Art Monk have better stats than Michael Irvin? How did Michael Irvin get further in the voting?

Clint

Yes, but Irvin is another loudmouth self-promoter (and a wife beater / drug user) and the writers love him because he is 'colorful'.

[santanadasavior]

It's all about hype. Moon gets in just because he played forever. Madden won one Super Bowl but his mug is all over the place so he gets in. These SI guys are the worst. I cancelled my subscription 4 years ago in disgust got tired of reading negative things about the skins.

I think you're going a little overboard. SI is a very good magazine that I literally read it covver to cover. I do think that they are a little focused on what would make a good story over what would be truthful to the game.

[Keino]

I think you're going a little overboard. SI is a very good magazine that I literally read it covver to cover. I do think that they are a little focused on what would make a good story over what would be truthful to the game.

I don't think he's overboard at all. Two of their writers make it a practice every year to lobby against Art Monk. SI is a crap magazine, with nice pictures. Ever notice how when SI ranks someone #1 in pre-season in every sport it's the kiss of death?

[RedskinsDave]

SI hasn't been squat in years. Prior to the internet, when you could wait three days for news they had a place. Now they're just there extending the careers of know-nothings like Zimmerman.

[RicFlairOne]

SI hasn't been squat in years. Prior to the internet, when you could wait three days for news they had a place. Now they're just there extending the careers of know-nothings like Zimmerman.

My point exactly! One can even find the swimsuit pictures on the net now. by the time SI arrives it is very old news. The NFL writers certainly aren't the only reason that I cancelled, but it sure helped. I am old enough to remember all of Gibbs Super Bowl teams - not once did Zimmerman predict Washington. And the articles, again just my opinion, after the 3 Super Bowl victories were not that flattering. Again, just my opinion and reasoning!

[HAWGZHEAD]

My point exactly! One can even find the swimsuit pictures on the net now. Hmmmm, all I can find are pics of girls that used to have swimsuits on :D

[RicFlairOne]

Hmmmm, all I can find are pics of girls that used to have swimsuits on :D

LOL. I was going to mention porn but I would certainly never do anything like that !!

[NCskinsfanatic]

I don't think he's overboard at all. Two of their writers make it a practice every year to lobby against Art Monk. SI is a crap magazine, with nice pictures. Ever notice how when SI ranks someone #1 in pre-season in every sport it's the kiss of death?
SI is horrible imo, a lot of biased loud mouthed opinions all wrapped up with nice pictures and an eyecatching cover.Infact my 8 year old son just wrote a short paragraph that had more unbiased factual sports information it than an issue of SI.

[X-Factor13]

howcome no one is talking about rayfield wright here? He got in with only 5 probowls... and one of his big stats was "winning 3 superbowls".


OMFG. how is that something that helps a tackle? lol. think about it.


"he can't really block, but he sure is a winner!"

HOF: "YOU'RE IN!"

[BandWagon]

Well the voting tells us that anyway. Take Harry Carson today, certainly the last four years have seen the same judges barring one or two keep him out. What did he do that made him any more or less deserving this year than in previous years, NOTHING. All it tells me is that when the mood takes you can get in.

Last year Irvin makes the final six ahead of Carson, this year it is the other way round and Carson gets in. It is inconsistent and shows that there is no structure in the voting process which means that there are different levels of criteria for people to get in.

It is a joke and it needs a serious overhaul.
Didn't Carson say this year that he didn't want to be considered because he was so pissed off and irritated about the whole thing? Or am I thinking about somebody else?

[whistleandthumb]

I have an idea about this Art Monk situation. I just need to draw up a plan for it, but I think it could be an interesting project. I doubt it would do much difference, but it would at least be interesting.

[Syllable]

Media + Redskins= hate untill we win super bowl.

[smoak]

I heard about the Hall of Fame announcement on the radio and I made the mistake of getting my hopes up b/c they announced that the maximum of six made it in this round.

Then slowly, one by one, they ruled out Monk and it really hurt me. I feel like Monk and Grimm may never get into the Hall... My last hope is that next year will be a Redskins "love fest" with Green, Monk, and Grimm going in, but I doubt it... It is just a hope.

[BurgundyNGold]

I heard about the Hall of Fame announcement on the radio and I made the mistake of getting my hopes up b/c they announced that the maximum of six made it in this round.

Then slowly, one by one, they ruled out Monk and it really hurt me. I feel like Monk and Grimm may never get into the Hall... My last hope is that next year will be a Redskins "love fest" with Green, Monk, and Grimm going in, but I doubt it... It is just a hope.
More than likely, the fact that Green will get in will persuade voters to look at candidates other than Monk and Grimm simply because Green was a Redskin.

[smoak]

More than likely, the fact that Green will get in will persuade voters to look at candidates other than Monk and Grimm simply because Green was a Redskin.

Maybe, but I would not be shocked if all three are shut out next year. I have no faith in the HOF whatsoever.

[RedskinsDave]

I am assuming that this Bernie M is Bernie Miklas:

On Art Monk's credentials...

Three Pro Bowls: Same as Swann and Joiner, and they're in the Hall of Fame.

The "heart" of that Redskins team was John Riggins.

Number of Pro Bowls for Riggo: 1.

Pro Bowls are just one barometer but hardly tell the entire story.

The dude (Monk) was the constant on a team that won three Super Bowls. He had four QBs during that time. The were three different 1,000 yard backs during that time. Charlie Brown started two Super Bowls opposite Monk, and Gary Clark started two Super Bowls opposite Monk. He was the one constant among skill position players. Yes, Joe Gibbs was the HC and offensive wizard. But Monk actually preceded Gibbs into Washington and was a productive WR before Gibbs' arrival.

I don't know....you star for three Super Bowl champions, and you retired with 121 more catches than any receiver who ever played in the NFL? Sounds like a Hall of Famer to me.

Moreover, Monk was a big WR and a great downfield blocker -- Gibbs has told me many times that Monk was a key to their running game, because he could take on linebackers and create some room for Riggins, Rogers, Riggs, etc.

Monk was a very underrated postseason performer. Monk hurt in a couple of Super Bowls, but what about getting to the Super Bowls?

In his career, Monk played in 15 postseason games and had 69 catches for 1,062 yards and 7 TDs.

Compared to other Hall of Fame WRs, of the era that's more postseason catches AND yards than Biletnikoff, Lofton, Swann, Warfield, Stallworth. And all of them played roughly the same amount of postseason games except for Lofton, who played in 12.

People diss Monk because he didn't have a high TD total. This is true. Well, wonder why? In the red zone Gibbs pounded the ball. And Monk was routinely double covered. That's why. Some complain that he averaged 13.5 yards per catch....well, yes. he was a possession receiver. He moved the chains. He caught everything in traffic and pushed the Redskins up the field with his receptions good for first downs.

Until Monk, every WR who had retired as the all-time leading receiver was voted into Canton. I'm not sure why my fellow voters are drawing the line on Monk. He played for a ground-based team, and he played before the real explosion of WR totals, and he still had 940 catches for a team that won three SB rings.

Keeping him out of the Hall because he was a possession receiver is like keeping Tony Gwynn out of the baseball Hall because he hit too many singles.

I think it's crazy.... that Redskins team went to four Super Bowls and won three.... and they have ONE Hall of Fame player from that era... John Riggins. Seems wrong. Where are the Hogs? Grimm, maybe Jacoby? One of the best O lines in NFL history, and a WR who retired with more catches than anybody. But one Redskin is in there from that era. I don't get it. But that's just me.

--B



http://forums.stltoday.com/viewtopic.php?t=335708&highlight

If so, it's nice to see some sanity was in the room. Too bad the SI boys carry so much weight (in more ways than one).

[Dexter72]

Check out this thread on the Orange Mane (Broncos site)...so much for the theory (King's, of course) that its regional and only people in DC/Skins fans think he should be in...4 posts on the subject -- all not only say he should be in, but that its a joke that he's not.


http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=37755

Post 1 -- Art Monk= Someday will get in...maybe...but absolutely should be in. Art Monk is very similar to Bettis in that he has the cumlative #s that are HOF worthy. The glaring differences are Monk won more rings, was never a media darling, never had a "captivating" story in his last game and actually was the career leader at his position in multiple categories upon retirement.


2.
The fact Monk isn't in is a joke.



3.Your point about Art Monk, however, is duly noted and it's a damn shame he's not there...

4.
Monk should be in, a joke that is.

[bgforever]

Didn't Carson say this year that he didn't want to be considered because he was so pissed off and irritated about the whole thing? Or am I thinking about somebody else?


I addressed this in the later Peter King thread for Monday Morning

Carson said this and it embarrassed PK and crew, because New York's backlash is HUGE. PK and crew buckled and kissed behind.

Carson, probably will take it begrudingly, knowing it wasn't off of merit, but by politics. He may be one of the key architects of a new musesum of recognition.

Maybe a National Football League Museum, that recognizes the players and their accomplishments, community room of all the great involvements and actions, sanctioned ONLY by Fans, Coaches and Owners. Writers will have no say whatsoever who gets in and cannot affect voting because the committee will be made up of people who coached and played the game. Owners can only vote on owners and community service.

[bosshog001]

I'm surprised there isn't more comments on Moon. Probowls and yards are nice, but he was never considered the best at his positon and never made a SuperBowl.

[smoak]

I'm surprised there isn't more comments on Moon. Probowls and yards are nice, but he was never considered the best at his positon and never made a SuperBowl.

Moon was never my favorite player, but I think he deserves it from what I remember. Here are his stats:

Among the league's all-time top 50
Pass attempts: 4
Completions: 4
Passing yards: 4
Passing TDs: 5

Granted he played on some pass happy teams, but those are some impressive accomplishments. I actualy like Aikman as an annoucer, but no way is he a lead-lock first ballot guy.

[helimech24]

Moon was never my favorite player, but I think he deserves it from what I remember. Here are his stats:

Among the league's all-time top 50
Pass attempts: 4
Completions: 4
Passing yards: 4
Passing TDs: 5

Granted he played on some pass happy teams, but those are some impressive accomplishments. I actualy like Aikman as an annoucer, but no way is he a lead-lock first ballot guy.Gotta remember all those records and stats from the CFL too. Moon was a great QB for a very long time, and he is very deserving to be in the HOF just like Monk is.

[Syllable]

Gotta remember all those records and stats from the CFL too. Moon was a great QB for a very long time, and he is very deserving to be in the HOF just like Monk is.

Yup you cant take anything away from moon, but like others get in without having great careers, but they just so happen to be on a team that has a lot of great players around them. Some say that is Monk's case, but in my oppinion he produced with new quarter backs every time.