Who will Saunders bring with him?

[skinfan43]

We've all tossed around some talk about it in other threads as to who might follow coach Saunders and be a good fit here from KC - who do YOU think could go from being a small-time chief to a big-time REDSKIN?;)

(Just a thought - possibly Priest Holmes to split the backfield at times with Portis? Or does Priest still want to be a starter somewhere else?)

[Chief Seeway]

We've all tossed around some talk about it in other threads as to who might follow coach Saunders and be a good fit here from KC - who do YOU think could go from being a small-time chief to a big-time REDSKIN?;)

(Just a thought - possibly Priest Holmes to split the backfield at times with Portis? Or does Priest still want to be a starter somewhere else?)

Priest Holmes will soon be on the retired list.

I'm not sure we need any of their offensive players [can't afford Gonzo]. How are their DE's? We could use some help there.

Depending on how Saunders and Buges get along we may look at some of their O-lineman, even if for depth.

[skins111111]

no chance, he just doesn't fit

[PennSkinsFan]

No one! Were building a success here. I want Saunders to call the offense, that is it! We are a blocking TE, second WR and pass rushing DE away from the promise land. No screwing it up!

[akhhorus]

FB Tony Richardson. Cooley moved to TE full time and Sellers unt Royal are expendable.

[ChiefPowhatan17]

I would love to have Priest Holmes as a Redskin, but considering we don't need more runningbacks we need to get rid of one. So this will never happen, but I hope he comes back and actually plays again somewhere.

[EberKain]

Im sure Priest still wants to be a starter, so I don't think he would come in here.

[MWballer]

If some of his backup O linemen would like to come over here that'd be great then we could use our late draft picks else where.

[CarMike]

Personally, I think Holmes career is over. Right after his latest injury they said that it's the kind that may end his career.

If not, I don't want to spend FA money on a position that we don't need. Portis/Betts is good enough. Lets spend the money on DE/WR. And maybe another CB.

[3644Skins]

FB Tony Richardson. Cooley moved to TE full time and Sellers unt Royal are expendable.

Sellers brings the same talents to the table as Richardson does, and I bet at a better price. I'll stick with Big Mike.

[akhhorus]

Sellers brings the same talents to the table as Richardson does, and I bet at a better price. I'll stick with Big Mike.

Sellers is nowhere near as talented as Richardson as a FB, imo. Sellers is more of an H-Back and can play TE, Richardson can't. I would dump Sellers for Richardson in a second.

[TOUGHSKIN]

We really need quality depth on the o-line and as complicated as our offense is no o-lineman in the draft will help us this year.Hopefully we can get some FA o-lineman from KC that already know the system.Someone like Justin Black who I think started for Willie Roaf 4or5 games and I think he can play gaurd too.(without big ray brown we all got to see how bad raymer is and i don't think any of us want him to be the #1 back-up at center and gaurd)

[3644Skins]

Sellers is nowhere near as talented as Richardson as a FB, imo. Sellers is more of an H-Back and can play TE, Richardson can't. I would dump Sellers for Richardson in a second.


Well let's agree to disagree on that one.

[IMALILTEAPOT]

i never want to release sellers. he is one of my fav players on the team. he is one of the best special teamers in the nfl, and his run blocking is great too. richardson is good, but i'll let larry johnson have him. sellers is da man

[Chief Seeway]

We haven't seen Sellers in the same roll as Richardson as long as Richardson's been doing it.

Maybe Saunders will use Sellers in the same way. Sellers is probably bigger and faster than Richardson so there is potential that he could be better.

[OCSkinzFan]

Everyone RELAX, Sellers ain't goin anywhere. He was the NFL special teamer of the week the last game of the season. Based on that alone he's on the team. But if you add that he had the best season of his career (12 catches, 7 TD's and 13 tackles), he doesn't break the bank, and Gibbs loves this guy there is really NO case for getting rid of him. Worst case scenario, he's he plays ST and rides the pine as Cooly's back-up.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Sellers is nowhere near as talented as Richardson as a FB, imo. Sellers is more of an H-Back and can play TE, Richardson can't. I would dump Sellers for Richardson in a second.

Sellers is a better Special teamer than Richardson, IMO, which increases his overall value to the team, higher than what Richardson would be.

Richardson may be a better FB, but Sellers is a better player, IMO.

[IowaSkinsFan]

We've all tossed around some talk about it in other threads as to who might follow coach Saunders and be a good fit here from KC - who do YOU think could go from being a small-time chief to a big-time REDSKIN?;)

(Just a thought - possibly Priest Holmes to split the backfield at times with Portis? Or does Priest still want to be a starter somewhere else?)

To answer the question, I think we will make a play for this guy!

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/316192

I think we are overlooking the return of David Patten to the offense next year and this guy could make an excellent #3 WR. Good size, could be a possession WR for us and wouldn't break the bank.

[NCskinsfanatic]

To answer the question, I think we will make a play for this guy!

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/316192

I think we are overlooking the return of David Patten to the offense next year and this guy could make an excellent #3 WR. Good size, could be a possession WR for us and wouldn't break the bank.

I could see us picking up a cheaper alternative like Boerigter but I still think Patten would be best utilized in the slot(as the 3rd option) like he was in NE. While Boerigter would be an affordable pickup but I dont think Marc would be the answer to start opposite of Moss.

I actually think we will target a guy that has already proven that he can handle being atleast the #2 guy. Eric Moulds would be ideal if released and realistically he shouldnt cost as much as Randel-El or Wayne and is exactly the type of possession WR that we need. He is a big surehanded target that runs pretty good routes and he can still get seperation, coming off a year where there was no QB in Buffalo his numbers are down and I think he's hungry to win now.....a perfect fit for the next 2-3 seasons imo.

[GoSkins!36]

I could see us picking up a cheaper alternative like Boerigter but I still think Patten would be best utilized in the slot(as the 3rd option) like he was in NE. While Boerigter would be an affordable pickup but I dont think Marc would be the answer to start opposite of Moss.

I actually think we will target a guy that has already proven that he can handle being atleast the #2 guy. Eric Moulds would be ideal if released and realistically he shouldnt cost as much as Randel-El or Wayne and is exactly the type of possession WR that we need. He is a big surehanded target that runs pretty good routes and he can still get seperation, coming off a year where there was no QB in Buffalo his numbers are down and I think he's hungry to win now.....a perfect fit for the next 2-3 seasons imo.


ERIC MOULDS, if he is released and we could pick him up, that would be great! I think the best scenerio, big target opposite moss with patten in the slot. and Moulds is proven in this league and should come at a decent price if he wants to play for a championship and not just playin for more money, cause if thats the cause he is gonna be playing somewhere else....

[santanadasavior]

Priest Holmes will soon be on the retired list.

I'm not sure we need any of their offensive players [can't afford Gonzo]. How are their DE's? We could use some help there.

Depending on how Saunders and Buges get along we may look at some of their O-lineman, even if for depth.

Jared Allen ripped us apart when we played them. He would be nice.

[MWballer]

Jared Allen ripped us apart when we played them. He would be nice.

Is he even a FA? Plus I heard they love him out there so I doubt he goes anywhere.

[santanadasavior]

Is he even a FA? Plus I heard they love him out there so I doubt he goes anywhere.

I don't think we'll get him he just asked who their DEs were. I should have said that the first time.

[Emmanouel8]

This team needs a WR, a DE, depth at both lines before anything else. Why are we talking about RB's and TE's? Those positions are not musts. We have player's that are good enough to carry us where we want to be.

We lost b/c we didn't have a pass rush, didn't have a 2nd threat next to Moss, and our O line dropped off when R.Thomas went down. Let's take care of our needs and worry about Tony Gonz and Priest Holmes anotehr day.

[GWBlitzST]

FB Tony Richardson. Cooley moved to TE full time and Sellers unt Royal are expendable.I know Richardson is a great FB, but Sellers expendable? He's not exactly a bad fullback, and since he's already under contract and our most intimidating player not named Sean Taylor, I say we just plug him in there. And of course the fact that he is a beast on special teams and Joe Gibbs loves the guy. If we could take someone from KC, I would want Tony G., but that ain't in the cards. Other than Boerighter, I don't think any Chiefs have a chance to be Redskins next year.

[DoGood]

I know Richardson is a great FB, but Sellers expendable? He's not exactly a bad fullback, and since he's already under contract and our most intimidating player not named Sean Taylor, I say we just plug him in there. And of course the fact that he is a beast on special teams and Joe Gibbs loves the guy. If we could take someone from KC, I would want Tony G., but that ain't in the cards. Other than Boerighter, I don't think any Chiefs have a chance to be Redskins next year.

What's stopping Sellers from being a FB? Portis loves running behind him and he is a beer keg. The fact that he is a nasty redzone threat is gravy. Sellers is a very special part of this team. He is probably one of Gibbs' favorites.

[dj_stouty]

I could see him bringing over Marc Boerigter to compete at WR3/4. He is 6'3", 220lbs and has a career average of 17ypc. Not bad...

[IowaSkinsFan]

Jared Allen ripped us apart when we played them. He would be nice.

He's not even available this offseason, is he?

[darkwing99]

bohringer will work as a second receiver.

[DoGood]

bohringer will work as a second receiver.

I would much prefer someone experienced. The value of a veteran presence shouldn't be diminished.

[RedskinRyan]

I would much prefer someone experienced. The value of a veteran presence shouldn't be diminished.

boerighter has been around awhile, missed last year due to injury though. he does have a 99yd TD catch in his resume.

[Red Bear]

FB Tony Richardson. Cooley moved to TE full time and Sellers unt Royal are expendable.

how can you say that? Sellers is a beast in the redzone and one of our best special teamers and he can play tight end. also Portis loves sellers as his lead blocker. sellers is a very versatile player and i, in no way shape or form see him as expendable.

[BraveSkin76]

I could see him bringing over Marc Boerigter to compete at WR3/4. He is 6'3", 220lbs and has a career average of 17ypc. Not bad...

I would have to resoundingly say "No" to Marc Boerigter. His 17 ypc average is a little misleading considering in his 1st season he caught a ball for a 99-yd reception AND he's only catched 39 balls in 4 full seasons. His 17 ypc is indeed a little misleading. He's nothing more than a No. 4 receiver who could possibly challenge for a No. 3 spot. But we have Patten, who's at least a No. 3, if not a No. 2.

The two guys I would want off their roster--which is also realistic--are T John Welbourn (Off. Line depth) and DT Ryan Sims.

[dj_stouty]

I would have to resoundingly say "No" to Marc Boerigter. His 17 ypc average is a little misleading considering in his 1st season he caught a ball for a 99-yd reception AND he's only catched 39 balls in 4 full seasons. His 17 ypc is indeed a little misleading. He's nothing more than a No. 4 receiver who could possibly challenge for a No. 3 spot. But we have Patten, who's at least a No. 3, if not a No. 2.

FYI: Even if you take out his 99 yard catch his rookie season, he STILL averaged 16.9 yards per catch that season. Aside from the 99 yard catch, he also had a 42 yard catch and 51 yard catch. Not bad for a 6'3" guy weighing 220lbs.

I'd much rather see a tall WR with great speed compete for the WR3 or WR4 on this team than someone like Taylor Jacobs, who is stealing paychecks from Danny.

[akhhorus]

how can you say that? Sellers is a beast in the redzone and one of our best special teamers and he can play tight end. also Portis loves sellers as his lead blocker. sellers is a very versatile player and i, in no way shape or form see him as expendable.

Because Richardson is a multiple pro bowler as a FB and is considered one of the top 3 blocking backs in the game right now. Sellers is a good special teamer and can create matchup problems in the right situations. If I had a choice, I would take Richardson over Sellers any day of the week. There's nothing that Sellers does for the team that couldnt be done by the combo of Richardson and Cooley.

[BraveSkin76]

FYI: Even if you take out his 99 yard catch his rookie season, he STILL averaged 16.9 yards per catch that season. Aside from the 99 yard catch, he also had a 42 yard catch and 51 yard catch. Not bad for a 6'3" guy weighing 220lbs.

I'd much rather see a tall WR with great speed compete for the WR3 or WR4 on this team than someone like Taylor Jacobs, who is stealing paychecks from Danny.

Believe me, I don't want Taylor Jacobs competing for the WR3 or WR4 spots either. However, I think Patten is a solid WR3. Our problem is we need a WR2 and I am not comfortable with a guy like Boerighter in that 2 spot. I don't think Marc could put up these numbers as a WR2 guy. And his 39 catches in 4 years (and last year's injury) has me corncerned with questions about durability and too small of a number of catches to really warrant paying him home than WR4 or WR5 money. His size and decnt spped is intriguing though.

[Red Bear]

Because Richardson is a multiple pro bowler as a FB and is considered one of the top 3 blocking backs in the game right now. Sellers is a good special teamer and can create matchup problems in the right situations. If I had a choice, I would take Richardson over Sellers any day of the week. There's nothing that Sellers does for the team that couldnt be done by the combo of Richardson and Cooley.

you make a good point, but i still wouldnt get rid of sellers to bring in richardson, royal i could understand. but you have to admit, inside the ten yard line, sellers is like a ghost to the defense, no one notices him until its too late...

[GWBlitzST]

sellers is like a ghost to the defense, no one notices him until its too late...They notice him, they just don' want anything to do with him.

[BurgundyNGold]

you make a good point, but i still wouldnt get rid of sellers to bring in richardson, royal i could understand. but you have to admit, inside the ten yard line, sellers is like a ghost to the defense, no one notices him until its too late...
I wouldn't get rid of Sellers for Richardson. Now Manuel White on the other hand... ;)

[3644Skins]

I wouldn't get rid of Sellers for Richardson. Now Manuel White on the other hand... ;)


I'm definitley on that train, White was lost in training camp but maybe he'll do better this time around. Either way, I don't think he measures up to Big Mike.

[BraveSkin76]

I wouldn't get rid of Sellers for Richardson. Now Manuel White on the other hand... ;)

Hehe, now we're talking. That's a free agent signing/player release any of us would do in a heartbeat. Here are the Chiefs' Free Agents for this off-season:

CHIEFS FREE AGENTS

Unrestricted Free Agents
Pos. Name Status
DE Carlos Hall --- I actually liked him when he was with Tennessee
QB Damon Huard ---
CB Dewayne Washington ---
TE Kendall Gammon ---
DT Lional Dalton --- How did he play when he was here? Was decent in KC
WR Marc Boerigter ---
QB Todd Collins --- We need a 3rd String QB
FB Tony Richardson --- In a heartbeat

Restricted Free Agents
Pos. Name Status
WR Chris Horn ---
DE Jimmy Wilkerson ---
T Jordan Black ---

[ihatedallas]

Richardson could be implenmented in uor offense, he's blocked for multiple 100 yard rushers and can catch the abll out of the backfield...

[akhhorus]

you make a good point, but i still wouldnt get rid of sellers to bring in richardson, royal i could understand. but you have to admit, inside the ten yard line, sellers is like a ghost to the defense, no one notices him until its too late...

This is true, but if dumping Sellers means we get a great blocking FB for Portis(who had one in Denver), I would do it. Sellers can stay as a special teamer if he wants, but Richardson would help the offense much more.

[The Skinsinator]

This is true, but if dumping Sellers means we get a great blocking FB for Portis(who had one in Denver), I would do it. Sellers can stay as a special teamer if he wants, but Richardson would help the offense much more.That's a great point. If Richardson is a beastly blocker, that would help the our running game alot. I've always advocated Gibbs using a lead blocker more for Portis morseo than just the normal 1 back set. Richardson and Portis would be a fantastic duo especially with General Saunders calling the shots.

[DoGood]

This is true, but if dumping Sellers means we get a great blocking FB for Portis(who had one in Denver), I would do it. Sellers can stay as a special teamer if he wants, but Richardson would help the offense much more.

I feel ya akh. But Sellers is a very valuable part of this team on and off the field. Of the entire team, I would put Sellers in the top 3 of Gibbs ideal players.
Mike Sellers is:
- Versatile.
- A very hard worker.
- He does his job without mistakes.
- He is a decent to good blocker.
- He hits hard and scores lots of TD's.
- He is great in the locker room.

We lose a lot more than a player that works hard if we were to try to upgrade him. Although I'm not very informed about Richardson.

[akhhorus]

That's a great point. If Richardson is a beastly blocker, that would help the our running game alot. I've always advocated Gibbs using a lead blocker more for Portis morseo than just the normal 1 back set. Richardson and Portis would be a fantastic duo especially with General Saunders calling the shots.

Hey, until he works his magic here, he's just a Colonel in my book :D

[akhhorus]

I feel ya akh. But Sellers is a very valuable part of this team on and off the field. Of the entire team, I would put Sellers in the top 3 of Gibbs ideal players.
Mike Sellers is:
- Versatile.
- A very hard worker.
- He does his job without mistakes.
- He is a decent to good blocker.
- He hits hard and scores lots of TD's.
- He is great in the locker room.

We lose a lot more than a player that works hard if we were to try to upgrade him. Although I'm not very informed about Richardson.

Don't get me wrong, Sellers is a good player, but two things:
1-Saunders isn't going to use the H-Back-which sellers is-like Gibbs did and has. Sellers isn't a FB and isn't a TE.
2-Richardson is considered arguably the best blocking FB in the league(Lorenzo Neal is also very good) and has made two pro bowls.

The question for me is that benched a good, but systemic player for a star at his position who knows the system about to be implemented.

[HAWGZHEAD]

Don't get me wrong, Sellers is a good player, but two things:
1-Saunders isn't going to use the H-Back-which sellers is-like Gibbs did and has. Sellers isn't a FB and isn't a TE.
2-Richardson is considered arguably the best blocking FB in the league(Lorenzo Neal is also very good) and has made two pro bowls.

The question for me is that benched a good, but systemic player for a star at his position who knows the system about to be implemented.If Saunders isn't going to use the h-back position will Cooley be a full time TE and if so why is everyone wanting to draft a TE when we could go elsewhere position wise?

[akhhorus]

If Saunders isn't going to use the h-back position will Cooley be a full time TE and if so why is everyone wanting to draft a TE when we could go elsewhere position wise?

No, Cooley will be the full time TE in my scenario.

[3644Skins]

Don't get me wrong, Sellers is a good player, but two things:
1-Saunders isn't going to use the H-Back-which sellers is-like Gibbs did and has. Sellers isn't a FB and isn't a TE.
2-Richardson is considered arguably the best blocking FB in the league(Lorenzo Neal is also very good) and has made two pro bowls.

The question for me is that benched a good, but systemic player for a star at his position who knows the system about to be implemented.


Sellers natural position is Fullback. Most of Portis' big runs came off of BIG blocks by Sellers. Plus Gibbs stated that the offense isn't changing completley just tweaked right?

[akhhorus]

Sellers natural position is Fullback. Most of Portis' big runs came off of BIG blocks by Sellers. Plus Gibbs stated that the offense isn't changing completley just tweaked right?

Saunders doesn't use the H-Back(which is a fundamental change for this offense), and if you want to stack up Sellers compared to Richardson-Portis will have many more big runs behind Richardson.

[The Skinsinator]

Hey, until he works his magic here, he's just a Colonel in my book :DUpon listening to his introduction, he sounded like a high ranking military officer moreso than a football coordinator. Very distinct voice tone, extremely knowledgeable and confident, and authoritative tone. Whatever his current "rank", I left most impressed. My old man got the exact same impression, and he is a retired Air Force O-5.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

Time out.

Chiefs fans are apparently saying that Saunders has wanted to use an H-back in his offense, but never really had the opportunity given his personnel. Now he has an H-back system already set up here in DC, and he originally came from one back with Coryell. I think the odds are very good that we'll see a lot of H-back action with Saunders.

[danny's stogie]

Time out.

Chiefs fans are apparently saying that Saunders has wanted to use an H-back in his offense, but never really had the opportunity given his personnel. Now he has an H-back system already set up here in DC, and he originally came from one back with Coryell. I think the odds are very good that we'll see a lot of H-back action with Saunders.

Yeah, that's what I thought about Saunders as well. They drafted Kris Wilson with the intention of turning him into an H-Back, but he's been a bust.

[akhhorus]

Upon listening to his introduction, he sounded like a high ranking military officer moreso than a football coordinator. Very distinct voice tone, extremely knowledgeable and confident, and authoritative tone. Whatever his current "rank", I left most impressed. My old man got the exact same impression, and he is a retired Air Force O-5.

Thats the last time I try a Kentucky Fried Chicken joke....

[akhhorus]

Time out.

Chiefs fans are apparently saying that Saunders has wanted to use an H-back in his offense, but never really had the opportunity given his personnel. Now he has an H-back system already set up here in DC, and he originally came from one back with Coryell. I think the odds are very good that we'll see a lot of H-back action with Saunders.

Thats interesting. But I guess the proof will be in the pudding.

[BurgundyNGold]

Thats the last time I try a Kentucky Fried Chicken joke....
I got that and was going to post something on it, but I couldn't get into the thread through all of the crickets, lol.

[3644Skins]

Thats interesting. But I guess the proof will be in the pudding.

Yep!!!

[dj_stouty]

I'm intrigued by the notion of a hybrid Gibbs/Saunders offense.

They may be onto something revolutionary...

This will be a fun training camp!

[The Skinsinator]

Thats the last time I try a Kentucky Fried Chicken joke....Yeah some of that southern humor is a bit over my head. Gotcha now.

[Awesome2]

A lot of TV and radio personalities seem to always be taking shots at this organization for bringing in talent and stars from other teams.

We don't need Richardson. Sellers is potentially a pro-bowl blocking full back as well.

[Red Bear]

yeah i still really dont think we need to bring richardson at this point. i also dont think the H-Back will become extinct in Al Saunders offense. What Al Saunders does, is bring a guy in who has stayed in the league and evolved the coryell system to fit with todays game. Sellers really impressed me last season, considering his 2004 season, i was wondering why they even resigned him at the time, but everything worked out.

[Syllable]

Don't get me wrong, Sellers is a good player, but two things:
1-Saunders isn't going to use the H-Back-which sellers is-like Gibbs did and has. Sellers isn't a FB and isn't a TE.
2-Richardson is considered arguably the best blocking FB in the league(Lorenzo Neal is also very good) and has made two pro bowls.

The question for me is that benched a good, but systemic player for a star at his position who knows the system about to be implemented.

Good thing you had the nerve to leave out Mack Strong, who I think is the most overrated Fullback at the moment with the soft Defenses they played. I think Richardson could and will block well for Portis.

[PigSkin724]

Leonard Pope. This will be the guy we move into the first round to get. He will be an animal.

Moss
Portis
Cooley
Pope
#2 Wr?

I think i just wet myself thinking about those options.

[helimech24]

Saunders doesn't use the H-Back(which is a fundamental change for this offense), and if you want to stack up Sellers compared to Richardson-Portis will have many more big runs behind Richardson.What makes Richardson better than Sellers? I think Sellers will do just fine being the fulltime FB. He has that killer instinct to just want to knock the blocks off of people, like on Special Teams.