Jason Campbell article on Redskins.com

[DoGood]

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=15382

This story is a great look into the Jason Campbell situation. This part is my favorite.

"My impression is that he's very accurate," Gibbs said. "I think he's going to be a guy that can really roam with the football. He's going to make plays with his feet. I think he has a sense of what the pocket is. He'll slide. He's going to be hard to sack because he's so big. We've seen a lot out of him. Now he needs to play."

A few thoughts:

Gibbs knows a lot more about Campbell than we do. The coaching staff has had the luxury of watching him every day running another offense at practice. He does this while playing against our nasty defense. If that doesn't help with a young quarterback's development then I don't know what does.

Watching Brunell lead our team to the second round of the playoffs and complete the best season of his career from the sidelines will be very valuable. He soaked those experiences up like a sponge.

I predict an open competition for the starting position throughout next years preseason. Gibbs will know for a certainty at how prepared Campbell will be come then.

I also predict that I am very excited about having Jason leading this team when it in it happens. I don't ever remember having a Big, Athletic quarterback in his mold in our history. VERY EXCITING.

[CFerro07]

Not to be a debbie downer or anything but of course Gibbs will praise Campbell. He has paid a rather large price to aquire this kid and if Gibbs came out and said he looked terrible then there goes Campbell's confidence.

However I do agree with what you are saying. I have been hoping for the Redskins to get a QB like Campbell for quite some time. I like QB's who can move around outside the pocket and with the size Campbell has that will make it difficult to tackle. Just look at Big Ben and how hard it is to bring him down. This kids potential is unlimited and as long as he can do what Ramsey couldnt and read the defense, we will have the luxury of knowing who our QB will be for years to come.

[whitskins]

Not to be a debbie downer or anything but of course Gibbs will praise Campbell. He has paid a rather large price to aquire this kid and if Gibbs came out and said he looked terrible then there goes Campbell's confidence.


True, but Gibbs could easily spare Campbell's confidence without making such sweeping comments as "it's time for him to play." Gibbs could simply say "we're impressed with the progress he's making and hope he will continue to do so throughout his career", or any of the standard lines he used in reference to Patrick Ramsey in the last two years.

However, more telling than the comments for me is Gibbs' actual expression when talking about Campbell. I watched his press conference when he made these comments about JC and Gibbs looked like he was absolutely giddy about the guy. Actually, every time I've seen him talk about JC he's been bursting out of his skin with enthusiasm. So I think his comments are pretty genuine.

[santanadasavior]

I see this guy being a more agile Rotheslisburger. And if that is true, there is a lot to be excited about.

[BurgundyNGold]

I see this guy being a more agile Rotheslisburger. And if that is true, there is a lot to be excited about.
A more agile and accurate Roethlisberger with a stronger arm.

[Fathead]

I see this guy being a more agile Rotheslisburger. And if that is true, there is a lot to be excited about.


If he's as smart as Big Ben (that 3rd down pass where he stops short of the line of scrimmage was amazing) then we are going to be a force for the next 12 years.

[DoGood]

He has paid a rather large price to aquire this kid and if Gibbs came out and said he looked terrible then there goes Campbell's confidence.

Joe Gibbs is not a dis-genuine man. I have no doubt that Joe Gibbs is very comfortable with where Jason Campbell is in his development.

[VTBob]

bring on Campbell!

[BurgundyNGold]

If he's as smart as Big Ben (that 3rd down pass where he stops short of the line of scrimmage was amazing) then we are going to be a force for the next 12 years.
Yeah, that was almost as amazing as that INT he threw on the goal line. I was having Neil O'Donnell flashbacks with that one, lol.

[Biggie]

If he's as smart as Big Ben (that 3rd down pass where he stops short of the line of scrimmage was amazing) then we are going to be a force for the next 12 years.

When was the last time we had a real franchise quarterback? Joe T?

[Fathead]

That INT was terrible. But everyone is stupid at times. Not everyone is smart.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

with jason's arm and size, if he can pick up the offense and understand how to read defenses soon, the rest of the league better watch out. im very excited to see what he can do.

[Agrawog]

I know Redskins.com needs content but that was the least informative grouping of letters and punctuation in the history of mankind. Not only was there no news of any kind, but there was no analysis of any kind.

10 minutes of my life I will never get back - damn you Larry Michael.

:banghead:

[BurgundyNGold]

I know Redskins.com needs content but that was the least informative grouping of letters and punctuation in the history of mankind. Not only was there no news of any kind, but there was no analysis of any kind.

10 minutes of my life I will never get back - damn you Larry Michael.

:banghead:

You didn't like watching the video that showed where the team's interior designer works? :D

[RedskinRyan]

i liked the article. i really want to see campbell get some playing time next year. starter? maybe not.

[skins111111]

I think they are handling JC perfect, he is maturing and gaining confidene under some great players and coaches......He will be a super Stud and we may see him sometime this season, hope he tears it up in preseason:)

[greatest2]

The franchise on the rise, and campbell will be the leader....

JC's time is now

[GoDannyBoy]

Getting the ball downfield will open up the offense. If Campbell can play conservative and not give up the ball he will starting next year.

[helimech24]

A more agile and accurate Roethlisberger with a stronger arm.So how is he nothing like big Ben,lol. If I were to compare him, I would say a Steve McNair type.

[helimech24]

When was the last time we had a real franchise quarterback? Joe T?Mark Rypien

[skinswin]

With all the attributes that Campbell has, he could be the greatest QB since slinging Sammy.

I'm very excited about the prospects of us being a regular playoff team for the next 12 years because of this kid.

Now lets put some players around him. We can help him most by getting another WR to compliment Moss.

[LuvSkins17]

I like Campbell and Im excited to see him play. But what do I know.... I still have 6 Heath Shuler Rookie cards in hard protective plastic to prove just how much I know. :whoknows:

It was so long ago, I don't even remember what his problem was. We are due for a Great Attention demanding QB!

[ConradCountry]

I am excited about Campbell, it will be different having an athlete under center.

[thickskin]

what sort of restrictions are there on practice squad numbers? i'd like to take 21 practice squaders just to choreograph game situations to run jc through.

[bwparker]

what sort of restrictions are there on practice squad numbers? i'd like to take 21 practice squaders just to choreograph game situations to run jc through.
I think 8 is the limit now. used to be five, but they let three more on last year. So we can't hire 21 to go through game situations. You can't even have on side of the ball, let alone both.

[HanburgerBum]

When was the last time we had a real franchise quarterback? Joe T?


Joe T doesn't have near the size or arm as this kid. I hate statue QBs, and it seems that Campbell will have that rare combination of size, arm and mobility. Assuming that he can read defenses, the Skins may have struck the mother lode with this pick. The next decade should be unbelievably exciting around here.

[C-7]

If he's as smart as Big Ben (that 3rd down pass where he stops short of the line of scrimmage was amazing) then we are going to be a force for the next 12 years.


You mean the play where he chucked the ball all the way down to the 2 or 3 yard line and miraculously completed the pass? Every announcer on every show said that was a BIG no-no for QBs (running one way, stoping, throwing it down the field the other way) and a very risky pass that should have been intercepted.


I agree though, amazing play.

[smoak]

You mean the play where he chucked the ball all the way down to the 2 or 3 yard line and miraculously completed the pass? Every announcer on every show said that was a BIG no-no for QBs (running one way, stoping, throwing it down the field the other way) and a very risky pass that should have been intercepted.


I agree though, amazing play.

Yeah, I am with you. Maybe the first part of tyhe play was "smart", but the end of it was HORRIBLE!! Either way, I am not willing to compare Campbell to anyone yet. I want to see how he looks in camp and preseason first, but I am veryoptimistic about the young man's potential.

[Patrick]

IMO the article is reinsurance to the Redskin Fans that Campbell is a big part of the future BUT that there are still indications that he’s still a year a way.

FIRST the title of the article : For Campbell, NFL Education Continues
Nothing that would lead you to believe that Jason is our starting QB next season.

In the article itself – there is only reference that he is improving and that Gibbs wants to expand his role ….. ie ……. BACKUP. As the article states “ at the very least”.

I THINK Campbell is our solid #2 QB and will be given more chances to see playing time in a mop up roll (compared to Ramsey) AND of course in the event of injury to Burnell …….. well let’s not go there.
Regardless – Mark Burnell IS THE STARTING QB going into the 2006 season – bottomline. ……… I don’t care how good JC looks this summer - nothing short of a repeat (or injury) of the 2004 season will knock Burnell out of the starting position.

AND on the flip side - went JC gets his chance, I'll be pulling for him 110%. .... I don't want (nor could Washington stand) another Heath Shuler experience.

[BigPlayJay]

I was happy to see that Brunell worked with JC all year. That's not always the case.
I'll bet some players are runied just by the mentors they wind up with.

[S.Taylor36]

I think JC has every opportunity to suceed in this league. He has Gibbs and Saunders now. They will put him in good situations to gain confidence and once he has that confidence WATCH OUT! I'm very excited to see him play this year.

[redskin_rich]

I'm going out on a limb and predicting that JC will be our starter on opening day this year.

[3644Skins]

I see this guy being a more agile Rotheslisburger. And if that is true, there is a lot to be excited about.

I don't know, put Roth on any other team and he would look like any other second year QB, he doesn't do a lot of good stat wise but he does win.

[techskinsfan]

i just hope there is an open competition in camp, what would it hurt...if anything i think it would improve all 3 qbs

[DoGood]

I'm very excited about the prospect of finding a quarterback that we acquire early enough and that player becoming a long time leader. I can't remember any Redskins quarterback that had the longevity of a Brett Favre or a John Elway. Having stability at a position like QB is invaluable. I have complete confidence in Gibbs that his selection of Campbell was the absolute right thing to do and that he and his coaching staff are grooming this kid to be great. What other quarterback got to develop under a coaching staff like this in history? This kid is a lump of coal and Gibbs is turning him into a diamond.:)

On an interesting note: I have heard a concern over Jason Campbell's hand size. He is 6'4'' 230 lbs which is a big boy, but he has hands that measure 9 1/8 inches. By comparison, Ramsey (6'2'' 220) has 10 inch hands. Someone said that they are 6'1'' 195 lbs and they have 9 1/2 inch hands. Brett Farve has mittens at 10 3/8 inches. Remember how Alex Smith lost a ton of fumbles last season and especially in the game against us? He hands are larger than Campbell's at 9 3/8's.

[DoGood]

I'm going out on a limb and predicting that JC will be our starter on opening day this year.

That's awful bold of you Rich. Anything could happen between now and then. I'm not ready to relieve Brunell yet but I really have a hard time believing he could make it through all of 2006 healthy and effective. I have no reason to believe that Campbell will not be ready to play next season. He sat a whole year while we went to the playoffs for the first time in 6 years and he got to watch Brunell have a comeback and Pro-Bowl season. And now he has amazing offensive coaches, a whole offseason to prepare himself, AND a personal servant in Bill Lazor. I would be worried about him if he were not effective by opening day 2006.

[smoak]

I don't know, put Roth on any other team and he would look like any other second year QB, he doesn't do a lot of good stat wise but he does win.

I do think sometimes that people put the chicken before the egg. Certainly sometimes a player performs above or below his draft status, but I would argue that MANY times it is because of the team and coaching staff. Especially when you talk about first rounders!

For example, people talk about the poor drafts under Casserly, and I'd argue that a large part of that was due to the poor coaching staff (Turner) in place to develop these kids.

[HanburgerBum]

You mean the play where he chucked the ball all the way down to the 2 or 3 yard line and miraculously completed the pass? Every announcer on every show said that was a BIG no-no for QBs (running one way, stoping, throwing it down the field the other way) and a very risky pass that should have been intercepted.


I agree though, amazing play.


While it is normally not a good idea for a QB to go one way and then throw across his body, I think it was actually a smart play in this instance. And, I am not staying this because Roth completed the pass.

If you will recall, it was 3rd and 28 with the line scrimmage about the 45. In that scenario, so what if the pass gets intercepted inside the 5 with a receiver nearby to make a tackle? It would have been better than a punt 99 times out of a hundred. Without converting the 3rd down the Steelers would have had to punt.

The exception would have been if Big Ben could have completed a pass or ran for at least 15 yds and allow Pitt to try a FG. Apparently, those options were not open.

[whitskins]

I'm going out on a limb and predicting that JC will be our starter on opening day this year.

I think I'm gonna go out on that limb with you. He's at least going to get a legit shot at the job. If Mark were our opening day starter right now then Gibbs would have said so by now. The job will be up for grabs and I think (just my gut instinct at work here) that Gibbs wants to give the job to Campbell.

[DoGood]

I think I'm gonna go out on that limb with you. He's at least going to get a legit shot at the job. If Mark were our opening day starter right now then Gibbs would have said so by now. The job will be up for grabs and I think (just my gut instinct at work here) that Gibbs wants to give the job to Campbell.

What are the chances that a QB that hasn't played a snap and is in his second year will lead us to the playoffs and beyond? I wouldn't think they would be very high even with the weapons on offense. Perhaps the coaching staff will be so good that they can overcome the pitfalls.

[ChiefPowhatan17]

Now he needs to play. I like that, we need to be fresh and young. The Future is Now.

[whitskins]

I think I'm gonna go out on that limb with you. He's at least going to get a legit shot at the job. If Mark were our opening day starter right now then Gibbs would have said so by now. The job will be up for grabs and I think (just my gut instinct at work here) that Gibbs wants to give the job to Campbell.

Personally I feel pretty good about it. It's all about the supporting cast (on both sides of the ball) when it comes to an inexperienced QB, and I think we'd have one of the best around. The achievements of Big Ben and Tom Brady and even Kurt Warner are not anomalies to me, I think with the supporting cast JC has that he can definitely take us far in the playoffs.

Can he win us the Super Bowl? I don't know, but of course I don't know if Brunell can either. I love Mark, but I'm not ready to say that Brunell can without a doubt take us farther in the playoffs than Campbell can. I've been a huge Brunell supporter since early last preseason, but I would not be surprised to see Campbell outperform him early and win the job. And I'd feel very comfortable with that personally.

[DoGood]

Personally I feel pretty good about it. It's all about the supporting cast (on both sides of the ball) when it comes to an inexperienced QB, and I think we'd have one of the best around. The achievements of Big Ben and Tom Brady and even Kurt Warner are not anomalies to me, I think with the supporting cast JC has that he can definitely take us far in the playoffs.

Can he win us the Super Bowl? I don't know, but of course I don't know if Brunell can either. I love Mark, but I'm not ready to say that Brunell can without a doubt take us farther in the playoffs than Campbell can. I've been a huge Brunell supporter since early last preseason, but I would not be surprised to see Campbell outperform him early and win the job. And I'd feel very comfortable with that personally.

Having said that, I wouldn't be surprised if Brunell has an even more impressive season next year. With this all-star coaching staff, anything can happen.

[3644Skins]

I do think sometimes that people put the chicken before the egg. Certainly sometimes a player performs above or below his draft status, but I would argue that MANY times it is because of the team and coaching staff. Especially when you talk about first rounders!

For example, people talk about the poor drafts under Casserly, and I'd argue that a large part of that was due to the poor coaching staff (Turner) in place to develop these kids.

You're right, the coaching staff and the team itself has a lot to do with it the development of the player.

[whitskins]

Having said that, I wouldn't be surprised if Brunell has an even more impressive season next year. With this all-star coaching staff, anything can happen.

Certainly could be, and I can definitely say that I would not shed a tear at that scenario either. I think we're in good shape at the QB position.

[HanburgerBum]

Personally I feel pretty good about it. It's all about the supporting cast (on both sides of the ball) when it comes to an inexperienced QB, and I think we'd have one of the best around. The achievements of Big Ben and Tom Brady and even Kurt Warner are not anomalies to me, I think with the supporting cast JC has that he can definitely take us far in the playoffs.

Can he win us the Super Bowl? I don't know, but of course I don't know if Brunell can either. I love Mark, but I'm not ready to say that Brunell can without a doubt take us farther in the playoffs than Campbell can. I've been a huge Brunell supporter since early last preseason, but I would not be surprised to see Campbell outperform him early and win the job. And I'd feel very comfortable with that personally.


Whitskins, you can Carson Palmer to that list. If Campbell were to start on opening day, his situation would be virtually identical to that of CP. Held the clipboard for the entire rookie season and then started from day one in his sophomore year. If Campbell turns out to be another Palmer (without the knee injury), you would take that wouldn't you?

[whitskins]

Whitskins, you can Carson Palmer to that list. If Campbell were to start on opening day, his situation would be virtually identical to that of CP. Held the clipboard for the entire rookie season and then started from day one in his sophomore year. If Campbell turns out to be another Palmer (without the knee injury), you would take that wouldn't you?

If Campbell turned out to be another Palmer, meaning an MVP candidate with 30+ TDs and a nearly 3:1 TD to INT ratio, I would sing from the rooftops. We would be a Super Bowl contender without question.

Palmer struggled a bit his first year, 18 TDs, 18 INTs, 8-8 record, but I think Campbell would be taking over a much better overall team, including defensively, than Palmer was given his first year as a starter.

[helimech24]

I think I'm gonna go out on that limb with you. He's at least going to get a legit shot at the job. If Mark were our opening day starter right now then Gibbs would have said so by now. The job will be up for grabs and I think (just my gut instinct at work here) that Gibbs wants to give the job to Campbell.I don't he would because of what happened last year with Ramsey. Gibbs was forced to start Ramsey despite his poor preseason, and it was all because he said Ramsey was the starter during the offseason.

[thickskin]

I think 8 is the limit now. used to be five, but they let three more on last year. So we can't hire 21 to go through game situations. You can't even have on side of the ball, let alone both.

then we should call them something else. 'game simulation assistants.' it's not like they'd actually be out there blocking and tackling and competing, just pretending to for realism's sake.

[vabeach_skinsfan]

I doubt Gibbs would hype up JC like that to the media just because he risked a lot to get him last year. I for one wouldn't mind seeing him start the season off, but if Brunel beats him out for the job during the training camp and pre-season then I say let the best man have the job.

[HanburgerBum]

If Campbell turned out to be another Palmer, meaning an MVP candidate with 30+ TDs and a nearly 3:1 TD to INT ratio, I would sing from the rooftops. We would be a Super Bowl contender without question.

Palmer struggled a bit his first year, 18 TDs, 18 INTs, 8-8 record, but I think Campbell would be taking over a much better overall team, including defensively, than Palmer was given his first year as a starter.


I don't know if the Skins offense in 2006 will be as good as Cincy's offense the first year Palmer played. But, the Skins defense figures to be light years better than Cincy's defense was then. Campbell wouldn't have to put up 30 a game to win. Low to mid twenties should be plenty.

I can hardly wait for Sept. Only 7 months to go!

[DoGood]

I doubt Gibbs would hype up JC like that to the media just because he risked a lot to get him last year. I for one wouldn't mind seeing him start the season off, but if Brunel beats him out for the job during the training camp and pre-season then I say let the best man have the job.

Awesome signature vabeach.

[nmskin]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/9230761

The offseason starts with the QB
click link for full article

In Washington, it's anyone's guess how long Mark Brunell keeps the starting job before he gives way to last year's first-round pick, Jason Campbell. Patrick Ramsey should be wearing another uniform by the summer, but why would Joe Gibbs start the Campbell era if he isn't going to remain as the Redskins head coach for a long period of time?

[redskinz#1fan]

Campbell will lead this team in the 2006 season. I think this kid will have all the doubters jumping on his bandwagon by the end of preseason. Just IMO! We haven't had a big, mobile QB since I can remember.

[skinfanjon]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/9230761

The offseason starts with the QB
click link for full article

In Washington, it's anyone's guess how long Mark Brunell keeps the starting job before he gives way to last year's first-round pick, Jason Campbell. Patrick Ramsey should be wearing another uniform by the summer, but why would Joe Gibbs start the Campbell era if he isn't going to remain as the Redskins head coach for a long period of time?

He discredits all his thoughts here by questioning the length of time Gibbs will be around. Gibbs is staying for 3 more seasons (maybe more?), barring serious health concerns. That is way too long to count on Brunell to lead us, so we might as well get the Campbell project started as soon as possible. I think Campbell will be given every opportunity to win the job in camp, but the bottom line is, he has to clearly be the better QB to win the job. If they are close, I think Gibbs will be more comfortable in going with Brunell. Eithedr way, I have absolutely no doubt that Gibbs will make the correct decision.

[giacomo2]

just wait for the preseason....when we unleash the beast called jason campbell. this guy is a stud. hail

[Smurf85]

Campbell will start when brunell gets hurt or if we start sucking.Lets face it Gibbs has a hard on for Brunell.I think gibbs will run another year stronge with Brunell unless he gets hurt.Lest face it Brunell had a damn good year and i only see a better on with Saunders.

[DoGood]

Campbell will start when brunell gets hurt or if we start sucking.Lets face it Gibbs has a hard on for Brunell.I think gibbs will run another year stronge with Brunell unless he gets hurt.Lest face it Brunell had a damn good year and i only see a better on with Saunders.

If Campbell really outperforms Brunell in the Preseason, I believe that Gibbs will go with the youngster. Most of the other young quarterbacks in the NFL haven't had the luxury of sitting under great coaches for a whole year while the team had its best season in recent memory. I think Campbell may be more prepared than we think.:)

[keepramsey]

i am hoping that the new AC/OC will carry enuff weight to have his way at QB.
i mean comeon, who could pass up at giving a young 6'4" 240lb athletic QB a complete unbiased looksee?
that has got to be an new OC's dream come true.
it is his/Saunders offence, right? as in he will be calling the plays. and saying who plays on offence, right?



i trust Saunders will go with the guy that shows he can get the job done.
whoever that may be. as long as it is not brunell. lol



flame on


kr

[akhhorus]

i trust Saunders will go with the guy that shows he can get the job done.
whoever that may be. as long as it is not brunell. lol

Yeah, because sitting through those 11 wins this year was an abject nightmare :rolleyes:.

[keepramsey]

ahh, yeah

akh


how is your offseason going?

i am just gonna come right out and say it.
for gods sake, i hope that JC will be our starter come game time.
he has too much potential to just let him sit another year.
he sits another year,a nd he will be re thinking about coming out when he did,a nd wondering if the skins were really as interested in him, as he thought.


yeah?



kr

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

ahh, yeah

akh


how is your offseason going?

i am just gonna come right out and say it.
for gods sake, i hope that JC will be our starter come game time.
he has too much potential to just let him sit another year.
he sits another year,a nd he will be re thinking about coming out when he did,a nd wondering if the skins were really as interested in him, as he thought.


yeah?



kr

since ramsey is most likely not going to be a redskin next year, are you going to change your screen name to "startjason"?

[keepramsey]

since ramsey is most likely not going to be a redskin next year, are you going to change your screen name to "startjason"?


knowing gibbs, it will have to be,"startjason in 2008 or whatever year gibbs thinks brunell does not have anything left."

teehee
most likley just keepit the same, i dont think i can change it anyways.
im branded

kr

[akhhorus]

how is your offseason going?

i am just gonna come right out and say it.
for gods sake, i hope that JC will be our starter come game time.
he has too much potential to just let him sit another year.
he sits another year,a nd he will be re thinking about coming out when he did,a nd wondering if the skins were really as interested in him, as he thought.

yeah?

Campbell has a ton of ability and potential. Brunell has earned the job with one of the best seasons by a Redskins QB in recent memory. If you bench him for no reason before the season just to get Campbell in, what kind of message does that send to the team? Play well and you'll get benched anyways?

And try and change your tune all you want and say you're a Campbell fan, but you're still in love with Ramsey.

[MONK_in_HOF]

ahh, yeah

akh


how is your offseason going?

i am just gonna come right out and say it.
for gods sake, i hope that JC will be our starter come game time.
he has too much potential to just let him sit another year.
he sits another year,a nd he will be re thinking about coming out when he did,a nd wondering if the skins were really as interested in him, as he thought.

kr

Campbell had no more eligability in college, and if he had come out after his junior year he would have been drafted late and have a minimum contract. I don't think he can ever second guess his choice to stay for his senior year.

[keepramsey]

Campbell has a ton of ability and potential. Brunell has earned the job with one of the best seasons by a Redskins QB in recent memory. If you bench him for no reason before the season just to get Campbell in, what kind of message does that send to the team? Play well and you'll get benched anyways?

And try and change your tune all you want and say you're a Campbell fan, but you're still in love with Ramsey.

AKH, i am a fan of this team. whoever may be on it.
when will you see this, i have no idea.
i may not like brunell as our QB. so what?
yeah, he had as good a season as any redskin QB last year.
but let me ask you tis.
how long has any QB, under gibbs, had the starting job?
i have been a fan since i was a wee tyke. and i remember a differant QB almost like every season. even when rypein? won the super bowl, he did not start for us too much longer.
gibbs in known for wining superbowls with a differant QB each time.
think about that.

all i am saying, is this. gibbs has a hard on for brunell. one like i have never seen before from gibbs.
and i hope that he sees the doctor after this season. cuz they aint supposed to last that long. i cant recall Gibbs ever supporting a QB like he has Brunell. it was like he knew his/gibbs system worked. and teh QB is a non factor. so he can basiclly put in anyone, in his system. and they will perform.

yas can say all you want to about me being in love with ramsey.
it dont bother me bro.


and just to get me straight, you beleive that brunell's 2005 season was one of his best ever?

i will agree, but that aint saying much.

it was the defense that won those late season games.
brunell did just enuff to not loose them.
never think otherwise.



kr

[akhhorus]

AKH, i am a fan of this team. whoever may be on it.
when will you see this, i have no idea.
i may not like brunell as our QB. so what?
yeah, he had as good a season as any redskin QB last year.
but let me ask you tis.
how long has any QB, under gibbs, had the starting job?

i have been a fan since i was a wee tyke. and i remember a differant QB almost like every season. even when rypein? won the super bowl, he did not start for us too much longer.
gibbs in known for wining superbowls with a differant QB each time.
think about that.

First off: Before you post these thoughts, please re-read them and fix all the grammar problems. Its hard to understand what you're saying when half of it looks like you typed it with your feet.

Second: Theisman held the job for 5 seasons until he broke his leg. Schroder lost his job due to injury and then he made a vaguely racist comment. Williams had the job for 1.5 seasons, then got hurt and Rypien started for Gibbs' last 4 years. So I guess you should re-think your statement that Gibbs was constantly benching QB?

all i am saying, is this. gibbs has a hard on for brunell. one like i have never seen before from gibbs.

And maybe Gibbs was justified by the performances? And Gibbs left Rypien in despite him looking terrible for his first couple seasons.

and i hope that he sees the doctor after this season. cuz they aint supposed to last that long. i cant recall Gibbs ever supporting a QB like he has Brunell. it was like he knew his/gibbs system worked. and teh QB is a non factor. so he can basiclly put in anyone, in his system. and they will perform.

Again, Rypien looked like crap and Gibbs stuck by him. How'd that work out?

yas can say all you want to about me being in love with ramsey.
it dont bother me bro.

Good, you clearly are.

and just to get me straight, you beleive that brunell's 2005 season was one of his best ever?

It was one of the best for a Redskins QB in a Long time. Maybe you should read what I actually wrote.

i will agree, but that aint saying much.

it was the defense that won those late season games.
brunell did just enuff to not loose them.
never think otherwise.

LMAO....keep believing that. You could say that about the Tampa game and the Philly game(although Brunell did hit some deep passes), and Brunell had a terrible half against Arizona, but this is a completely ridiculous statement if you saw what Brunell did in the St Louis, Dallas, Giants and Seattle games(Brunell did better than Delhomme or Big Ben against Seattle in the playoffs). And only the Tampa game was won by the Defense, Portis carried the team throughout the late season run.

[keepramsey]

First off: Before you post these thoughts, please re-read them and fix all the grammar problems. Its hard to understand what you're saying when half of it looks like you typed it with your feet.

Second: Theisman held the job for 5 seasons until he broke his leg. Schroder lost his job due to injury and then he made a vaguely racist comment. Williams had the job for 1.5 seasons, then got hurt and Rypien started for Gibbs' last 4 years. So I guess you should re-think your statement that Gibbs was constantly benching QB?



And maybe Gibbs was justified by the performances? And Gibbs left Rypien in despite him looking terrible for his first couple seasons.



Again, Rypien looked like crap and Gibbs stuck by him. How'd that work out?



Good, you clearly are.



It was one of the best for a Redskins QB in a Long time. Maybe you should read what I actually wrote.



LMAO....keep believing that. You could say that about the Tampa game and the Philly game(although Brunell did hit some deep passes), and Brunell had a terrible half against Arizona, but this is a completely ridiculous statement if you saw what Brunell did in the St Louis, Dallas, Giants and Seattle games(Brunell did better than Delhomme or Big Ben against Seattle in the playoffs). And only the Tampa game was won by the Defense, Portis carried the team throughout the late season run.



first off, if you dont like my grammer, thendont read.
but, i suspect that you have to read the things i print out, becuase youhave nothing better to do than blast another skins fan for his/her beliefs.

second
how many QB's does that make?
i think you forgot a couple. i aint into stats ,and looking up past rosters. but stan humpfrees was another. i am sure their are more. doug williams was my hero in that superbowl. what happened to him?

back to brunell
brunell should have never been given a long term deal. but since he saved coaches life, i guess gibbs feels in debt to brunell.

i mean comeon. who gets a multi year multi million dollar deal at the age of 30+ something, coming off an injury to his planting leg?




but now, we have a new OC.
and he may feel differantly about brunell. hell, i dont think anyone feels the way gibbs does about brunell.
so, maybe. just maybe. we might get a new breath of fresh air.
i cant wait till next year allready.
i know cambell will outperform brunell in preseaon.
just like i know ram will be with another team next year. and not in the cfl!
LOL


although that ish makes me laugh.


what are yas going to say when JC starts the season,a nd brunell is riding pine?
you gonna stick with your boyfreind brunell?
best second stringer in the nfl?
best pine rider in recent skins memory?

LOL


kr

[akhhorus]

first off, if you dont like my grammer, thendont read.
but, i suspect that you have to read the things i print out, becuase youhave nothing better to do than blast another skins fan for his/her beliefs.

No, I have better things to do than that, I take issue with agenda guys like you who desperately want a certain player in no matter what. And Campbell isn't the one you're pining for.

second
how many QB's does that make?

Rypien, Schroder, Williams, Theismann in 12 seasons. Humphries shouldn't count since he didn't start that much. And out of that, Rypien and Theismann started 9 out of 12 seasons. And Theismann only lost his job because LT shattered his leg.

i think you forgot a couple. i aint into stats ,and looking up past rosters. but stan humpfrees was another. i am sure their are more. doug williams was my hero in that superbowl. what happened to him?

William destroyed his knee and had to quit shortly after his SB glory. Gibbs stuck with basically two Qbs in his run, but had a period after Theismann where Schroder, Rypien and Williams fought over the Qb job.


back to brunell
brunell should have never been given a long term deal. but since he saved coaches life, i guess gibbs feels in debt to brunell.

:rolleyes: Brunell didn't save his life, Gibbs took the wrong medication and was feeling faint. And Brunell will never see most of his contract, he knew that he would have been cut long before most of his contract came up. And don't you think that since Brunell actually WON-which your boyfriend never did-Gibbs should feel in debt to him for winning?

i mean comeon. who gets a multi year multi million dollar deal at the age of 30+ something, coming off an injury to his planting leg?

His real deal was really a 3 year-17 million dollar deal. Thats fair for Brunell. And he wasn't coming off an injury to his planting leg, he had total elbow reconstruction. And the effects of that showed in 04, but he clearly looked healthy in 05.

but now, we have a new OC.
and he may feel differantly about brunell. hell, i dont think anyone feels the way gibbs does about brunell.

Yeah, just us fans who are grateful for taking this team to the playoffs...silly us :rolleyes:

so, maybe. just maybe. we might get a new breath of fresh air.
i cant wait till next year allready.
i know cambell will outperform brunell in preseaon.

And if he does, Brunell's on a short leash. If he doesn't, Campbell sits.

although that ish makes me laugh.

What "ish"? Were you reading something else and just forgot you were discussing something else?


what are yas going to say when JC starts the season,a nd brunell is riding pine?
you gonna stick with your boyfreind brunell?
best second stringer in the nfl?
best pine rider in recent skins memory?

Since you weren't here before 05, I was one of Brunell's biggest bashers after 04. When Gibbs said that Brunell still had a role to play with the Skins, I joked here that Gibbs meant as a long snapper, not as a QB. I go with what is best for the Skins, even if it means contradicting previous posts I've made. I'm not in love with any specific players as long as its whats best for the team. You clearly don't understand this concept and have your boyfriends. And I was also one of Campbell's biggest defenders before 05, I think the kid has a world of talent and could be something special. But Brunell, with his successful 05 season, deserves the job until he shows he can't do it.

[keepramsey]

No, I have better things to do than that, I take issue with agenda guys like you who desperately want a certain player in no matter what. And Campbell isn't the one you're pining for.



Rypien, Schroder, Williams, Theismann in 12 seasons. Humphries shouldn't count since he didn't start that much. And out of that, Rypien and Theismann started 9 out of 12 seasons. And Theismann only lost his job because LT shattered his leg.



William destroyed his knee and had to quit shortly after his SB glory. Gibbs stuck with basically two Qbs in his run, but had a period after Theismann where Schroder, Rypien and Williams fought over the Qb job.




:rolleyes: Brunell didn't save his life, Gibbs took the wrong medication and was feeling faint. And Brunell will never see most of his contract, he knew that he would have been cut long before most of his contract came up. And don't you think that since Brunell actually WON-which your boyfriend never did-Gibbs should feel in debt to him for winning?



His real deal was really a 3 year-17 million dollar deal. Thats fair for Brunell. And he wasn't coming off an injury to his planting leg, he had total elbow reconstruction. And the effects of that showed in 04, but he clearly looked healthy in 05.



Yeah, just us fans who are grateful for taking this team to the playoffs...silly us :rolleyes:



And if he does, Brunell's on a short leash. If he doesn't, Campbell sits.



What "ish"? Were you reading something else and just forgot you were discussing something else?




Since you weren't here before 05, I was one of Brunell's biggest bashers after 04. When Gibbs said that Brunell still had a role to play with the Skins, I joked here that Gibbs meant as a long snapper, not as a QB. I go with what is best for the Skins, even if it means contradicting previous posts I've made. I'm not in love with any specific players as long as its whats best for the team. You clearly don't understand this concept and have your boyfriends. And I was also one of Campbell's biggest defenders before 05, I think the kid has a world of talent and could be something special. But Brunell, with his successful 05 season, deserves the job until he shows he can't do it.


the ish you speak of, is the stuff i read from yas.
it makes me laugh.
the whole cfl thing. that is just funny.
brunell at least maybe could win a championship there/CFL.
i dont have a way with words like yawl.
i am a very basic person. i dont use big words. hell, ima redneck if nothing else!
but, ima redneck that is a skins fan.
and i do believe yas,w hen yas say you bashed brunell.
and i was here before the 2004 season. i did not post back then. more of a reader/lurker.
i am of the opinion, that brunell is over the hill. we got waht we could from him. and we aint gettin anymore.
i mean, if your are ahppy about not making it to the superbowl ,and loosing to a team we beat earlier in the year. thean yeah, brunell has had a good season.


sorry, i aint satified with a lose to seattle.
i think this team can do better.
i know this team can do better.
next year.


kr

[akhhorus]

the ish you speak of, is the stuff i read from yas.
it makes me laugh.
the whole cfl thing. that is just funny.
brunell at least maybe could win a championship there/CFL.
i dont have a way with words like yawl.

Then why didn't you just say: "That CFL joke". When you type some random word to point out something not related, how are we exactly supposed to know what you're talking about? Really, are you 13 or something? i know you've claimed to be an adult with a family, but I don't believe it. You write like a child. And Brunell could win the championship there, Ramsey probably couldn't.

i am a very basic person. i dont use big words. hell, ima redneck if nothing else!

You also seem to have trouble with the small words...and basic spelling.

but, ima redneck that is a skins fan.

I'm a redneck, being one doesn't make someone automatically a fool.

and i do believe yas,w hen yas say you bashed brunell.
and i was here before the 2004 season. i did not post back then. more of a reader/lurker.
i am of the opinion, that brunell is over the hill. we got waht we could from him. and we aint gettin anymore.
i mean, if your are ahppy about not making it to the superbowl ,and loosing to a team we beat earlier in the year. thean yeah, brunell has had a good season.

I am happy that we went from 6-10 to 11-7 with a playoff win. And Brunell has a lot to do with that. And if Brunell is "over the hill", Ill take his being over the hill if he can pass for 3000 yards and 20+ tds per year. How has Ramsey done compared to that? And if you're going to demand the Skins win the super bowl every year, you're just going to be miserable. The Skins weren't going to win the Super Bowl(or make it there this year). Too many injuries and too many loaded teams this season.

sorry, i aint satified with a lose to seattle.
i think this team can do better.
i know this team can do better.
next year.

I hope they can, but turning the team over to Campbell isn't a way to accomplish that.

[keepramsey]

Then why didn't you just say: "That CFL joke". When you type some random word to point out something not related, how are we exactly supposed to know what you're talking about? Really, are you 13 or something? i know you've claimed to be an adult with a family, but I don't believe it. You write like a child. And Brunell could win the championship there, Ramsey probably couldn't.



You also seem to have trouble with the small words...and basic spelling.



I'm a redneck, being one doesn't make someone automatically a fool.



I am happy that we went from 6-10 to 11-7 with a playoff win. And Brunell has a lot to do with that. And if Brunell is "over the hill", Ill take his being over the hill if he can pass for 3000 yards and 20+ tds per year. How has Ramsey done compared to that? And if you're going to demand the Skins win the super bowl every year, you're just going to be miserable. The Skins weren't going to win the Super Bowl(or make it there this year). Too many injuries and too many loaded teams this season.



I hope they can, but turning the team over to Campbell isn't a way to accomplish that.


i am bout to leave work now, but i just had to say. i have been in misery for over a decade with this team.
it is time for the misery to stop.
and what is wrong in wanting to win multiple superbowls?
i say at the begining of every year. the skins will go 16-0 this season. lol
what do you want.
i love this team. and i think no matter who is our Qb, i want to win a superbowl.
just dont think that will happen with an old injury prone QB.


laytr


kr

[akhhorus]

i am bout to leave work now, but i just had to say. i have been in misery for over a decade with this team.
it is time for the misery to stop.
and what is wrong in wanting to win multiple superbowls?

There's nothing wrong with that. Going into the season with the mindset of super bowl or bust is ridiuclous. So much of winning a super bowl is luck, and not talent/skill/coaching.

ii say at the begining of every year. the skins will go 16-0 this season. lol
what do you want.

Reality and realism.

ii love this team. and i think no matter who is our Qb, i want to win a superbowl.
just dont think that will happen with an old injury prone QB.

And the old "injury prone" got this team two games from the super bowl, how did Ramsey do with that assignment?

[bgforever]

True, but Gibbs could easily spare Campbell's confidence without making such sweeping comments as "it's time for him to play." Gibbs could simply say "we're impressed with the progress he's making and hope he will continue to do so throughout his career", or any of the standard lines he used in reference to Patrick Ramsey in the last two years.

However, more telling than the comments for me is Gibbs' actual expression when talking about Campbell. I watched his press conference when he made these comments about JC and Gibbs looked like he was absolutely giddy about the guy. Actually, every time I've seen him talk about JC he's been bursting out of his skin with enthusiasm. So I think his comments are pretty genuine.


JG knows Brunell's tendancies now too. Though Brunell's got the motion, exp., etc, when its time to compete once more for the position, he's sending a strong signal to Brunell, starting is earned. We know JG is near 100% to start out Brunell and wants to finish that way, but he wants Brunell to know just HOW much JC has showed compared to him.

[3644Skins]

Campbell has a ton of ability and potential. Brunell has earned the job with one of the best seasons by a Redskins QB in recent memory. If you bench him for no reason before the season just to get Campbell in, what kind of message does that send to the team? Play well and you'll get benched anyways?

And try and change your tune all you want and say you're a Campbell fan, but you're still in love with Ramsey.


Didn't Marvin Lewis do it in Cincy with Carson Palmer? How did that turn out? He's the coach, forget the message it sends, if he does it he should be supported regardless of how "well" Brunell played last season. I'll have no problem if Brunell gets benched in favor of JC next season mainly b/c this team doesn't get any better with Brunell at QB. No progress comes from him starting another season.

[akhhorus]

Didn't Marvin Lewis do it in Cincy with Carson Palmer? How did that turn out? He's the coach, forget the message it sends, if he does it he should be supported regardless of how "well" Brunell played last season. I'll have no problem if Brunell gets benched in favor of JC next season mainly b/c this team doesn't get any better with Brunell at QB. No progress comes from him starting another season.

Kitna's last year as the starter he was 8-8 as the starter(no playoffs) with good stats. The difference between that situation and the Skins' situation is that Carson Palmer was the #1 overall pick not the 25th. Barring a super bowl appearance, there is no way you just sit the #1 overall pick.