Will the Redskins pursue John Abraham?

[S.Taylor36]

I was reading this article that my Jets fan friend sent to me today, and I couldn't help but ask is John Abraham worth the Redskins pursuing? The Jets are about $25 million dollars over the cap. They franchised Abraham last year and if they were to do it again it would cost them $8.3 million. The Jets just hired a new young coach in Eric Mangini and yesterday made Mike Tannenbaum their new GM. Since I live in New York City I hear alot about the Jets and Giants. The Jets need a lot of help. They need a QB because who knows what Pennington is gonna do ever again. So my question is, do we package Ramsey with either a draft pick or lets say Lavar to get Abraham? I think Abraham, when healthy, is a stud. The guy had 70 tackles, 10.5 sacks and 6 forced fumbles all on the QB last year. I feel if you can get a guy like that he is worth pursuing...even more than T.O.

http://www.nj.com/jets/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/1139382050217310.xml&coll=1

[bantu]

I would love to get Abraham. I actually was justing ranting about crazy trades we as fans are speculating. I, however, just think it can't happen with the Jets. They already have cap issues and taking on a contract like LaVar's would be tough to do. We simply do not have the picks to package with Ramsey to get Abraham. I think Abraham is that good.

But if we could get Abraham for a fair price that would be the best news ever.

[CNYSkinFan]

I was reading this article that my Jets fan friend sent to me today, and I couldn't help but ask is John Abraham worth the Redskins pursuing? The Jets are about $25 million dollars over the cap. They franchised Abraham last year and if they were to do it again it would cost them $8.3 million. The Jets just hired a new young coach in Eric Mangini and yesterday made Mike Tannenbaum their new GM. Since I live in New York City I hear alot about the Jets and Giants. The Jets need a lot of help. They need a QB because who knows what Pennington is gonna do ever again. So my question is, do we package Ramsey with either a draft pick or lets say Lavar to get Abraham? I think Abraham, when healthy, is a stud. The guy had 70 tackles, 10.5 sacks and 6 forced fumbles all on the QB last year. I feel if you can get a guy like that he is worth pursuing...even more than T.O.

http://www.nj.com/jets/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/1139382050217310.xml&coll=1
If we trade Lavar it can't be for a high price free agent. Trading Lavar would automatically cost 12 million versus this year's cap. You only trade Lavar for a draft pick.

But I could see us trading Ramsey and Betts for Abraham straight up, maybe add in a 2nd next year. But I am not sure I want a guy like Abraham on the team, someone who did not want to play in a playoff game for fear of hurting his career. Also we have two decent DEs in Daniels and WYnn, we need to add a young pass rusher and the draft is dep with pass rushing DE. That is where we address the line.

[whistleandthumb]

The new Jets GM said yesterday that keeping Abraham was is number one priority right now, even if it means putting the franchise tag on him. If that's the case, I think Abraham is out of the running for any other team.

[bantu]

If we trade Lavar it can't be for a high price free agent. Trading Lavar would automatically cost 12 million versus this year's cap. You only trade Lavar for a draft pick.

But I could see us trading Ramsey and Betts for Abraham straight up, maybe add in a 2nd next year. But I am not sure I want a guy like Abraham on the team, someone who did not want to play in a playoff game for fear of hurting his career. Also we have two decent DEs in Daniels and WYnn, we need to add a young pass rusher and the draft is dep with pass rushing DE. That is where we address the line.

I like the draft idea. It would be a dream to be able to land a proven veteran for our #2WR spot, and then spend draft day grabbing pass rushers. This draft is super deep in pass rushers. DO NOT be surprised by SECOND day DL's drafted becoming stars. I just wish we had some higher picks though, still. If we do let Ramsey go, I hope we can get a first day pick. That is probably asking way too much, but it still would be nice.

[S.Taylor36]

If we trade Lavar it can't be for a high price free agent. Trading Lavar would automatically cost 12 million versus this year's cap. You only trade Lavar for a draft pick.

But I could see us trading Ramsey and Betts for Abraham straight up, maybe add in a 2nd next year. But I am not sure I want a guy like Abraham on the team, someone who did not want to play in a playoff game for fear of hurting his career. Also we have two decent DEs in Daniels and WYnn, we need to add a young pass rusher and the draft is dep with pass rushing DE. That is where we address the line.

I agree with the concern with this guy not playing in the playoffs but he is unreal when he plays. I think the fact that he knew he was going to be franchised helped his decision towards not playing. I feel with a new contract he'll be ready to go. As far as a young pass rusher, Abraham is 27, he's not exactly old. I think if you can get a guy like Abraham you get him. Maybe Ramsey and draft picks will do it. I feel the Jets are trying to do what New England did and acquire draft picks and start fresh.

[santanadasavior]

I still think that there are more important ways to spend our money right now. We need a number 2 wideout before we need a DE. Our defense is nasty the way it is and would be unbeatable with the DE. But our offense is very controllable without a WR.

[DoGood]

10.5 sacks in 2005?! Imagine what that kind of force could do in our defense.

[MWballer]

I dont think we should go after Abraham when we can start fresh with DE's like Stanley McClover, James Wyche, or Ray Edwards in the third round.

[S.Taylor36]

I still think that there are more important ways to spend our money right now. We need a number 2 wideout before we need a DE. Our defense is nasty the way it is and would be unbeatable with the DE. But our offense is very controllable without a WR.

Our D is nasty, but I always felt we missed that guy you can get at the QB. Imagine what Gregg Williams could do with Abraham and not having to blitz to get pressure? I do agree though that a #2 WR is the most important need in the off season

[LightsoutLA]

But still the Jets would have to get 8.3 mil under the cap just to Franchise Abraham. An right now the Jets are 29 mil over the Cap. He would be really good pick up for us if we did aquire him.

[DUCKIN_TACKLERS]

Im still torn as to what i think our most important need for this team is...It seems as if everyone thinks a number 2 WR is more important to us than a Stud DE. I however am not so sure. I noticed a huge difference on D when Daniels picked up his game and Griffin returned to the line up. Im not so sure a 2nd WR makes the same differnce. To boot we picked up Saunders who will be an offensive boost and there will be lots of TEs availabe to provide another Catching threat not to mention some affordable FA Wrs. I say if we have to splurge Id like to splurge at DE.

[S.Taylor36]

But still the Jets would have to get 8.3 mil under the cap just to Franchise Abraham. An right now the Jets are 29 mil over the Cap. He would be really good pick up for us if we did aquire him.

The Jets will get under the cap. Losing Ty Law will help.

[S.Taylor36]

Im still torn as to what i think our most important need for this team is...It seems as if everyone thinks a number 2 WR is more important to us than a Stud DE. I however am not so sure. I noticed a huge difference on D when Daniels picked up his game and Griffin returned to the line up. Im not so sure a 2nd WR makes the same differnce. To boot we picked up Saunders who will be an offensive boost and there will be lots of TEs availabe to provide another Catching threat not to mention some affordable FA Wrs. I say if we have to splurge Id like to splurge at DE.

It's a tough call. It really depends if Saunders feels he has the weapons here to utilize his offense. I think Gibbs will allow Saunders to have alot of imput much like Gregg Williams had alot of imput towards our last 2 draft picks in Taylor and Rodgers. Williams needed those guys and Gibbs complied. If Saunders feels that Moss, Patten and Thrash at WR and Cooley at H-Back can get it done then we go get a stud DE like Abraham. Like I said before, he is that good when healthy.

[LightsoutLA]

Yeah but they will have to trim 37 mil of the Cap. Just cutting Ty Law won't take them 37 mil under the Cap

[Redskin4Life]

Yeah but they will have to trim 37 mil of the Cap. Just cutting Ty Law won't take them 37 mil under the Cap
Cutting Law only saves 11M... they still need to trim 25-26M.

Abraham for picks and Ramsey is a good deal for them. But I don't like it at all for us (we can use those picks to get one or more studs like him in the draft).

AND I STILL think he could be a Redskins WITHOUT trading for him. The Jets cannot franchise a player without the space to do it. Expect to see Johnny on the FA market or see a lot of good Jets players become available...

[Redskin4Life]

Oh and the Jets COULD trade for Abraham for Brees... QB and OC have a good relationship.

[S.Taylor36]

Oh and the Jets COULD trade for Abraham for Brees... QB and OC have a good relationship.

The Chargers have been saying that they do not plan to move Brees or Rivers. Plus I don't think the Jets need another QB coming off surgery.

[BraveSkin76]

Hmm, I can't see them placing the $8 million dollar franchise tag on him when there already close to 26 million over the cap. I think before it's all said and done, Abraham will hit the FA market and his price will be so high that we have to respectfully bow out. Reworking 34 million to get 8 MILLON below the cap to franchise Abraham will be a very hard task.

I, myself, wouldn't mind John at all. But I worry about the price it may involved. Ramsey for Abraham straight up is obviously a deal any of us would jump at as a Redskin GM. But giving away our 2nd or 3rd this year is a No-No. Maybe Ramsey and a 2007 2nd rounder but not our 2006 2nd and 3rd round draft picks. That 2nd could be there to get a player like Dominique Byrd or Brodrick Bunkley; Our 3rd James Wyche or Ray Edwards.

[smoak]

I really have no interest in Abraham. He has an injury history and IMO lacks heart. The Redskins are building a team of guys who are hungry for the championship and wouldn't sit out a playoff game b/c they are worried about their contract for next season.

[BurgundyNGold]

I really have no interest in Abraham. He has an injury history and IMO lacks heart. The Redskins are building a team of guys who are hungry for the championship and wouldn't sit out a playoff game b/c they are worried about their contract for next season.
I agree. I've got a lingering "eh" kinda feeling about him. If Gibbs wants him then that's fine, but otherwise I could live without him. If we're to do a deal for a Jets DE, I'd much rather trade Ramsey for Bryan Thomas like Akh proposed a while back.

[whitskins]

I think he'll be traded away from the Jets and he would be a dominant force on our defense. I'm drooling thinking of this dude added to a defense with Griffin, Washington, and Taylor. We would be top three in the league no questions asked. I'd love it to happen if we could afford it while still upgrading at WR.

[CapitalDefense]

Abraham is a very good pass rusher but he is out of our price range also. Greg Williams does a great job of getting the most out of his players, look at Demetric Evans 33 tkls and 3 sacks. We do not need a DE with a price tag around 60 million, which is what its gonna take, and Abrahams toughness has been question while in NY as well.

We have a 2nd and 3rd rounder, we trade Ramsey and get another 2nd or 3rd rounder. Then use 2 of those 3 picks on speedy/edge rushers.

[DoGood]

Abraham is a very good pass rusher but he is out of our price range also. Greg Williams does a great job of getting the most out of his players, look at Demetric Evans 33 tkls and 3 sacks. We do not need a DE with a price tag around 60 million, which is what its gonna take, and Abrahams toughness has been question while in NY as well.

We have a 2nd and 3rd rounder, we trade Ramsey and get another 2nd or 3rd rounder. Then use 2 of those 3 picks on speedy/edge rushers.

I declare we draft DE and sign WR's!

[S.Taylor36]

I declare we draft DE and sign WR's!

and OL depth!!!!!

[ChiefPowhatan17]

No, I think that high price name players is exactly who Gibbs doesn't want.

[LightsoutLA]

Yeah we need Oline Depth but that could be done through Free Agency.

[HanburgerBum]

and OL depth!!!!!


Amen.

[BraveSkin76]

No, I think that high price name players is exactly who Gibbs doesn't want.

People kill me when they say this. Can you say Clinton Portis, Mark Brunell, Santana Moss and Marcus Washington? These are all high-priced players Gibbs wanted, got and signed to rich deals. Gibbs will take anybody he thinks could help this team and get under the salary cap.

[skinswin]

The hot rumor is that the Jet are going to franchise tag Abraham and trade him straight up for Phillip Rivers of the Chargers. Makes alot of sense.

[HanburgerBum]

If we trade Lavar it can't be for a high price free agent. Trading Lavar would automatically cost 12 million versus this year's cap. You only trade Lavar for a draft pick.

But I could see us trading Ramsey and Betts for Abraham straight up, maybe add in a 2nd next year. But I am not sure I want a guy like Abraham on the team, someone who did not want to play in a playoff game for fear of hurting his career. Also we have two decent DEs in Daniels and WYnn, we need to add a young pass rusher and the draft is dep with pass rushing DE. That is where we address the line.


Do you know what would be the Jets cap hit for trading Abraham? If that number is near the franchise tag number, there would not be much incentive for the Jets to make a trade unless they are getting a ton in return.

I would say that if the price (cap room and/or trade compensation) is reasonable, the Skins would have to think seriously about acquiring Abraham. He is apparently only 27 and should have 5 good years left. That's a time frame the Skins are shooting for SBs. There may be plenty of edge rushers in the draft, but they are unproven unlike Abraham. Mel Kiper has always said that DLine prospects are the most difficult to evaulate. Most of them are boom or bust. Even if the Skins get Abraham, they can always draft another DE in the 3rd round for developing (since Wynn and Daniels are both a little long in the tooth).

[redskin_rich]

Do you know what would be the Jets cap hit for trading Abraham? If that number is near the franchise tag number, there would not be much incentive for the Jets to make a trade unless they are getting a ton in return.


Zero, he is a free agent. They would have to franchise him to trade him.

[BraveSkin76]

The hot rumor is that the Jet are going to franchise tag Abraham and trade him straight up for Phillip Rivers of the Chargers. Makes alot of sense.

It makes alot of sense finacially for the Jets. I wonder if this means Brees is progressing and the Chargers feel combfortable in letting JRiv go?

[nmskin]

NFL | Franchise tag and transition tag prices for defensive players announced
Sun, 5 Feb 2006 22:19:04 -0800

Ron Borges, of The Boston Globe, reports the NFLPA has announced the prices for franchise tagged players and transition tagged players for the 2006 season.

Defensive ends will carry a franchise tag of $8,332,000 and a transition tag of $7,075,000 .

Linebackers will carry a franchise tag of $7,169,000 and a transition tag of $6,144,000. Cornerbacks will carry a franchise tag of $5,893,000 and a transition tag of $4,744,000. Defensive tackles will carry a franchise tag of $5,656,000 and a transition tag of $4,463,000. Safeties will carry a franchise tag of $4,109,000 and a transition tag of $3,592,000.

[akhhorus]

People kill me when they say this. Can you say Clinton Portis, Mark Brunell, Santana Moss and Marcus Washington? These are all high-priced players Gibbs wanted, got and signed to rich deals. Gibbs will take anybody he thinks could help this team and get under the salary cap.

Portis is the only big ticket contract amoung them. Marcus Washington and Moss signed fairly low ticket deals. Brunell's will never see a majority of his contract.

[MoeRedskins]

What I don't get about all of this is that the Jets are already well, well over the cap, how can they afford to cut so many players then franchise Abraham for 8 million? I know they would like to get some value for him before he leaves but with a team so far over the cap it is going to take a lot of moves to get under. What I am saying is, can the Jets really afford to franchise Abraham?

[helimech24]

I don't want him, and we don't need him. He is a self absorbed whine box that won't play hard if he might go to free agency. We have no need for players that are not team players with the same goal of a superbowl as we have.

[The Skinsinator]

I don't want him, and we don't need him. He is a self absorbed whine box that won't play hard if he might go to free agency.This is alot of people's sentiment around the league. Honestly, I think he is a heckuva talent but lost alot of credibility with his playoff absence awhile ago. That is huge and won't be forgotten soon. For the right deal, I would love to get him but I don't see that happening at all.

[helimech24]

This is alot of people's sentiment around the league. Honestly, I think he is a heckuva talent but lost alot of credibility with his playoff absence awhile ago. That is huge and won't be forgotten soon. For the right deal, I would love to get him but I don't see that happening at all.It could happen if he would agree to vet minimum, yeah right. He isn't worth the money because of all the injuries and his attitude or past attitude.

[ConradCountry]

If Abraham is here LaVar will not be their is no way that we can pay both these guys over the next 5 years.

LaVar to NO for WR Donte Stallworth

[The Skinsinator]

If Abraham is here LaVar will not be their is no way that we can pay both these guys over the next 5 years.I highly doubt it also. What I don't doubt is that Abe could really help this team more than Lavar could. This defense would uterrly dominant with a killer defensive end. Clemons can replace Lavar. Daniels and Abe on the ends would be sweet but I don't see it happening.

[ConradCountry]

I highly doubt it also. What I don't doubt is that Abe could really help this team more than Lavar could. This defense would uterrly dominant with a killer defensive end. Clemons can replace Lavar. Daniels and Abe on the ends would be sweet but I don't see it happening.

I think that Abe will hit the market because of the Jets ridiculous cap sitaution. I think that a WR is more of a need outside of the draft.

It is more likely that a 2nd rd DE will come in and play then a 2nd rd WR.

I am telling everyone that Donte Stallworth would be a great compliment to Moss and give us a track team playing WR.

[helimech24]

I think that Abe will hit the market because of the Jets ridiculous cap sitaution. I think that a WR is more of a need outside of the draft.

It is more likely that a 2nd rd DE will come in and play then a 2nd rd WR.

I am telling everyone that Donte Stallworth would be a great compliment to Moss and give us a track team playing WR.He isn't that big of an upgrade over Patten who is listed as 5'11. Stallworth is listed at 6'. We don't need short-medium WRs, we need big tall possession WRs.

[ConradCountry]

He isn't that big of an upgrade over Patten who is listed as 5'11. Stallworth is listed at 6'. We don't need short-medium WRs, we need big tall possession WRs.

We do not neccasserily need a tall WR we need a good 2nd WR no matter how tall or short they are.

[redskin_rich]

There are a lot of prospects in the draft at DE, that is where we should address that need. Abe is going to cost a ton and he has a questionable attitude. I say pass.

[DoGood]

There are a lot of prospects in the draft at DE, that is where we should address that need. Abe is going to cost a ton and he has a questionable attitude. I say pass.

Second.

[helimech24]

We do not neccasserily need a tall WR we need a good 2nd WR no matter how tall or short they are.I completely disagree with you. If you are looking at the field as far as levels down LB and secondary. We are missing that over the middle big receiver from our line-up. Other than quick slants, speed guys have a hard time getting open in the middle of the field because of lack of position. Speed isn't needed as much as size to block out safeties and CBs when the ball is coming.

[S.Taylor36]

I completely disagree with you. If you are looking at the field as far as levels down LB and secondary. We are missing that over the middle big receiver from our line-up. Other than quick slants, speed guys have a hard time getting open in the middle of the field because of lack of position. Speed isn't needed as much as size to block out safeties and CBs when the ball is coming.

I don't know Antwaan Randle El is all good with me if we get him

[colkurtz]

John Abraham will be going for the biggest salary - and it will be a huge chunk of change to get him.

The 'skins have had some bad luck with past FA DE's - Stubblefield, Smith, Wilkinson - guys who came here for a big paycheck and showed up out-of-shape or just coasting to keep the cash rolling in.

Abraham has as many sacks in a year as Wynn does in four seasons. Wynn is getting old - Abraham has five seasons or more if he stays motivated.

I think the team may talk to John to see his motivation level and whether he will fit in here. He could be the one piece to get this defense back to the top.
What if Sean Taylor's leagal troubles effect his ability to play next season?

I could see us looking at players like Abraham - as well as drafting project DE's for the longer future.

[PA Skins Girl]

I dont think it would be the right move for us. Cost is too much for the return. Like others have said, I think we should go after a young DE in the third round of the draft.

[RedskinRyan]

what about ramsey and a 3rd rounder for charles rogers? then we could sue the 2nd on a DE. prolly just wishful thinking. i dont want abraham. he's going to want too much money, his priorites differ from gibbs', and cant we just stop taking players from the jets? enough is enough...

[colkurtz]

I dont think it would be the right move for us. Cost is too much for the return. Like others have said, I think we should go after a young DE in the third round of the draft.

I agree, although I think the FO will at least talk to him because of his talent.
His attitude and price tag will be too high for us.

However, I do see us bringing in a pass rushing FA DE, as well as drafting to the position. We haven't drafted a DE since the '90's!

[NCskinsfanatic]

I dont think we'll sign or trade for Abraham . Abraham will simply cost too much and I think this staff is capable of doing more with less....especially on D. I think we'll probably sign a reasonably priced FA and draft a young guy with all the measurables in the 2nd or 3rd round to aid the Dline.

[EberKain]

How old is he? We could always trade next years 1st rounder.

[BurgundyNGold]

How old is he? We could always trade next years 1st rounder.
For crying out loud, we can't keep trading away draft picks. We need cheap, young players to come in and backfill for our aging ones or we'll never achieve even a modicum of continuity.

[bgforever]

Our D is nasty, but I always felt we missed that guy you can get at the QB. Imagine what Gregg Williams could do with Abraham and not having to blitz to get pressure? I do agree though that a #2 WR is the most important need in the off season

Worth an interview and worth the chance to see how he'd fit. Wynn's not gone, but it is clear we need both to do more than pressure the QB's from BOTH sides. With a rotation of Evans and Daniels (keeping him fresh) and a player like Abraham or at least of this caliber, would be totally sick. Like the notion of having him.

[PyroGenic]

I'd say no. Only reason we went after Kearse that one year was probably cuz GW had previous ties to coaching him, and even then we got outbidded by the iggles. Abraham has no previous ties to our coaching staff and is going to demand the same, probably more money than Kearse. No way we get him.

[bgforever]

I'd say no. Only reason we went after Kearse that one year was probably cuz GW had previous ties to coaching him, and even then we got outbidded by the iggles. Abraham has no previous ties to our coaching staff and is going to demand the same, probably more money than Kearse. No way we get him.

Good point, but.... As some players have done, winning a SB or a big chance to on a team climbing fast and powerful gets attention. Cory Simon to the Colts was an excellent example. We did no less than the Colts getting to the playoffs this past season and showed the kind of fight, the Jets USED to have in them. Realizing a team situation during negotiations speaks volumes of a player, as opposed to sitting there asking to cripple the team financially (that means the interview STOPS right there).

[BigCountry]

Well ESPN.s rumor central just added us to the list of teams interested...interesting ain't it

[PA Skins Girl]

Well ESPN.s rumor central just added us to the list of teams interested...interesting ain't it
What a shock.

[Redskinfan28]

I completely disagree with you. If you are looking at the field as far as levels down LB and secondary. We are missing that over the middle big receiver from our line-up. Other than quick slants, speed guys have a hard time getting open in the middle of the field because of lack of position. Speed isn't needed as much as size to block out safeties and CBs when the ball is coming.

totally disagree. if that were true, wrs like santana and steve smith would never make catches over the middle, which they do. speed is more important than anything else - you can't cover what you can't catch.

[redskinz#1fan]

People kill me when they say this. Can you say Clinton Portis, Mark Brunell, Santana Moss and Marcus Washington? These are all high-priced players Gibbs wanted, got and signed to rich deals. Gibbs will take anybody he thinks could help this team and get under the salary cap.

Moss & Washingtn were not rich deals. These were deals that came really cheap to us considering the performance that we have gotten out of these players. There are plenty of players around the league right now getting paid plenty more and their performance is a lot less.

[BraveSkin76]

Moss & Washingtn were not rich deals. These were deals that came really cheap to us considering the performance that we have gotten out of these players. There are plenty of players around the league right now getting paid plenty more and their performance is a lot less.

I don't understand your point about cost relative to performance. A top receiver deal is a top receiver deal no matter how well they do on the field.

Santana Moss is due to make 27 mil over the next 6 years. Not counting the 1.15 mil hit this year, that means he's due to average over 5 mil a year. You won't find more than 15 receivers in the NFL with better deals.

Over the next 4 seasons, Marcus Washington is due $21 million roughly. These are not cheap deals. Relative to what they could be making, they're cheaper, but not cheap. The average NFl receiver and OLB do not make anywhere near what Moss and Washington make.

[Battle Cat]

I highly doubt it also. What I don't doubt is that Abe could really help this team more than Lavar could. This defense would uterrly dominant with a killer defensive end. Clemons can replace Lavar. Daniels and Abe on the ends would be sweet but I don't see it happening.
I couldn't disagree more. This team was able to be ran on over the left side when Arrington was out. He came in a sured that side up, people stopped talking abotu running left on the Redskins when he came back. Holdman and Clemons had their shots to sure up that side and if you think teams ran left with Holdman and Clemons there try putting Abraham on the D Line then you got an even bigger issue with stopping the run.

[nmskin]

JETS AND CHARGERS TO ANNOUNCE BLOCKBUSTER
DE-Abraham To San Diego - QB-Rivers To New York

The DinoCosta Show has learned through an exclusive source that the NY Jets & San Diego Chargers are set to make a Blockbuster trade.

The Chargers will send quarterback Philip Rivers, the 4th overall pick in the 2004 NFL draft, to the Jets, in return for pass rushing defensive end John Abraham. Rivers has been stuck behind Chargers quarterback Drew Brees the last two seasons, and will be re-uniting with former Chargers asst. Brian Schottenheimer who was recently named the Jets offensive coordinator. Schottenheimer is planning to install an offensive system that is similar in design to the Chargers current system - a system that Rivers is comfortable in and familiar with. Abraham has been miffed that the Jets haven't given him a new contract after proving that he could play an entire 16 game schedule as he did last year. The Chargers will slide Abraham nicely into their 3-4 defense that will also feature Shawne Merriman, providing San Diego with a terrific twosome that will give the rest of the AFC West fits. This trade makes sense for both teams and makes the Chargers "quiet" signing of quarterback A.J. Feeley last season something that was apparently done with the long term in mind. A big question for the Jets is what will they do with current quarterback Chad Pennington...should he be successful in returning from major shoulder surgery for a second time.

> http://www.dinocosta.com/ToC.html

[bgforever]

JETS AND CHARGERS TO ANNOUNCE BLOCKBUSTER
DE-Abraham To San Diego - QB-Rivers To New York

The DinoCosta Show has learned through an exclusive source that the NY Jets & San Diego Chargers are set to make a Blockbuster trade.

The Chargers will send quarterback Philip Rivers, the 4th overall pick in the 2004 NFL draft, to the Jets, in return for pass rushing defensive end John Abraham. Rivers has been stuck behind Chargers quarterback Drew Brees the last two seasons, and will be re-uniting with former Chargers asst. Brian Schottenheimer who was recently named the Jets offensive coordinator. Schottenheimer is planning to install an offensive system that is similar in design to the Chargers current system - a system that Rivers is comfortable in and familiar with. Abraham has been miffed that the Jets haven't given him a new contract after proving that he could play an entire 16 game schedule as he did last year. The Chargers will slide Abraham nicely into their 3-4 defense that will also feature Shawne Merriman, providing San Diego with a terrific twosome that will give the rest of the AFC West fits. This trade makes sense for both teams and makes the Chargers "quiet" signing of quarterback A.J. Feeley last season something that was apparently done with the long term in mind. A big question for the Jets is what will they do with current quarterback Chad Pennington...should he be successful in returning from major shoulder surgery for a second time.

> http://www.dinocosta.com/ToC.html


Well it makes sense. Does that mean that Dallas now makes a move on the Jets Pennington? Does that constitute a trade for say.....Chad Pennington for the Overpriced Roy Williams (I know 3 Pro Bowls, but really only one to two are earned, if that at all).

[RicFlairOne]

JETS AND CHARGERS TO ANNOUNCE BLOCKBUSTER
DE-Abraham To San Diego - QB-Rivers To New York

The DinoCosta Show has learned through an exclusive source that the NY Jets & San Diego Chargers are set to make a Blockbuster trade.

The Chargers will send quarterback Philip Rivers, the 4th overall pick in the 2004 NFL draft, to the Jets, in return for pass rushing defensive end John Abraham. Rivers has been stuck behind Chargers quarterback Drew Brees the last two seasons, and will be re-uniting with former Chargers asst. Brian Schottenheimer who was recently named the Jets offensive coordinator. Schottenheimer is planning to install an offensive system that is similar in design to the Chargers current system - a system that Rivers is comfortable in and familiar with. Abraham has been miffed that the Jets haven't given him a new contract after proving that he could play an entire 16 game schedule as he did last year. The Chargers will slide Abraham nicely into their 3-4 defense that will also feature Shawne Merriman, providing San Diego with a terrific twosome that will give the rest of the AFC West fits. This trade makes sense for both teams and makes the Chargers "quiet" signing of quarterback A.J. Feeley last season something that was apparently done with the long term in mind. A big question for the Jets is what will they do with current quarterback Chad Pennington...should he be successful in returning from major shoulder surgery for a second time.

> http://www.dinocosta.com/ToC.html

Have checked other sports sites and no one else is reporting this. I agree it does make sense, but will check in AM to see if this is legit reporting by Costa.

[helimech24]

what about ramsey and a 3rd rounder for charles rogers? then we could sue the 2nd on a DE. prolly just wishful thinking. i dont want abraham. he's going to want too much money, his priorites differ from gibbs', and cant we just stop taking players from the jets? enough is enough...IMO, he has to many off the field problems (served a 4 game suspension last year), and he has been injury prone since coming to the NFL.

[helimech24]

totally disagree. if that were true, wrs like santana and steve smith would never make catches over the middle, which they do. speed is more important than anything else - you can't cover what you can't catch.I am not saying they are not just as good, but we had two speed short WRs last year with Patten and Moss. It didn't work. Steve Smith and Moss are freaks of nature right now. Randel El or Bobby Engram didn't have the same success on their respective team. Looking at Pitt., Ward and Randel El are both short WRs and they didn't complement each other well. That is why Randel El is leaving, and Cedric Wilson will be the #2 in that offense. We need diversity in the offense, not more of the same.

[ChiefPowhatan17]

Well it has been said many times that Abraham wants out of NYJ.

[Redskinfan28]

I am not saying they are not just as good, but we had two speed short WRs last year with Patten and Moss. It didn't work. Steve Smith and Moss are freaks of nature right now. Randel El or Bobby Engram didn't have the same success on their respective team. Looking at Pitt., Ward and Randel El are both short WRs and they didn't complement each other well. That is why Randel El is leaving, and Cedric Wilson will be the #2 in that offense. We need diversity in the offense, not more of the same.

I'm sorry, but I don't see why it matter to have diversity. If we put out 3 small and fast WRs, and they can get open, who cares how big they are? I think the need to have one big and one small WR, and the need for a #1 and #2 WRs, are myths. I want the 2 best WRs on the field as starters no matter the size.

Just my opinion.

[S.Taylor36]

Abraham definately wants out, now it's just a question of where. San Diego, Chiefs and the Redskins seem to be good fits.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/story/391514p-332068c.html

[HAWGZHEAD]

Abraham definately wants out, now it's just a question of where. San Diego, Chiefs and the Redskins seem to be good fits.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/story/391514p-332068c.htmlIs there anyone in their right mind that wants to play for the Jets? lol

[S.Taylor36]

Is there anyone in their right mind that wants to play for the Jets? lol

I don't think so. That team is a mess. Mangini is gonna have a hell of a time in New York.

[Redskinfan28]

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/story/391513p-332068c.html

Abraham, disgruntled last season while playing on a one-year, $6.7 million contract (the designated amount for a franchise defensive end), is believed to be seeking at least $18 million in guarantees. In December, he said he wanted a long-term deal, whether it was with the Jets or another team.


He is not worth this money.

[CNYSkinFan]

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/story/391513p-332068c.html

Abraham, disgruntled last season while playing on a one-year, $6.7 million contract (the designated amount for a franchise defensive end), is believed to be seeking at least $18 million in guarantees. In December, he said he wanted a long-term deal, whether it was with the Jets or another team.

While I am no chicken little when it comes to our cap space I doubt Abraham's wishes can be fulfilled in DC. And again, remember, he SAT OUT a PLAYOFF game in a contract dispute. Not what you want on a character driven team like ours.

[BigCountry]

JETS AND CHARGERS TO ANNOUNCE BLOCKBUSTER
DE-Abraham To San Diego - QB-Rivers To New York

The DinoCosta Show has learned through an exclusive source that the NY Jets & San Diego Chargers are set to make a Blockbuster trade.

The Chargers will send quarterback Philip Rivers, the 4th overall pick in the 2004 NFL draft, to the Jets, in return for pass rushing defensive end John Abraham. Rivers has been stuck behind Chargers quarterback Drew Brees the last two seasons, and will be re-uniting with former Chargers asst. Brian Schottenheimer who was recently named the Jets offensive coordinator. Schottenheimer is planning to install an offensive system that is similar in design to the Chargers current system - a system that Rivers is comfortable in and familiar with. Abraham has been miffed that the Jets haven't given him a new contract after proving that he could play an entire 16 game schedule as he did last year. The Chargers will slide Abraham nicely into their 3-4 defense that will also feature Shawne Merriman, providing San Diego with a terrific twosome that will give the rest of the AFC West fits. This trade makes sense for both teams and makes the Chargers "quiet" signing of quarterback A.J. Feeley last season something that was apparently done with the long term in mind. A big question for the Jets is what will they do with current quarterback Chad Pennington...should he be successful in returning from major shoulder surgery for a second time.

> http://www.dinocosta.com/ToC.html

That makes no sense whatsoever. The Chargers don't have the 4th overall pick in the draft, and the Jets wouldn't give that AND Abraham away for Rivers. Shady source to say the least.

[whitskins]

That makes no sense whatsoever. The Chargers don't have the 4th overall pick in the draft, and the Jets wouldn't give that AND Abraham away for Rivers. Shady source to say the least.

The 4th overall pick refers to Rivers, who was the 4th pick in the 2004 draft. There is no draft pick changing hands in this alleged deal.

[CNYSkinFan]

I want rivers to bre traded as fast as can be because then Ramsey is the #1 tradeable QB on the market and the Skins will start getting more offers.

[vabeach_skinsfan]

Even if the deal between SD and NYJ doens't fall through, I doubt the Skins would be able to afford his services anyways.

[redskin_rich]

I want rivers to bre traded as fast as can be because then Ramsey is the #1 tradeable QB on the market and the Skins will start getting more offers.
Rivers will not get traded this year, unless San Diego is getting another QB as part of the deal. Remember that Brees has no contract and a serious shoulder injury.

[CNYSkinFan]

Rivers will not get traded this year, unless San Diego is getting another QB as part of the deal. Remember that Brees has no contract and a serious shoulder injury.
There is a rumor out there that Rivers may get traded after the draft if Breres' recovery is going well.

[Redskin4Life]

Rivers will not get traded this year, unless San Diego is getting another QB as part of the deal. Remember that Brees has no contract and a serious shoulder injury.
That's why the quietly traded with Miami for AJ Feely. If Feely worked out for them, they get a proven vet. If not, they got the 2nd or 3rd from Miami to get a QB with. And their third stringer, Cleo Lemon -- the player SD traded for Feely and the 3rd rounder, should come available again after Miami drops him.

SD can manage without Rivers...

[redskin_rich]

That's why the quietly traded with Miami for AJ Feely. If Feely worked out for them, they get a proven vet. If not, they got the 2nd or 3rd from Miami to get a QB with. And their third stringer, Cleo Lemon -- the player SD traded for Feely and the 3rd rounder, should come available again after Miami drops him.

SD can manage without Rivers...
Feeley, a proven vet...:lol1:

[Redskin4Life]

Feeley, a proven vet...:lol1:
Okay so that was a stretch but then again so was thinking that Trent Green would be a starter for St Louis, KC. Or Kurt Warner, Super Bowl winning QB in 1999, for that matter. Or Trent Dilfer, SB winning QB in 2000.

[oldskinfan]

I think we are snake bitten with "high profile" star FA signings (back to Deion, etc.).

When we go after a low profile star (at the time of our signing them) we seem to have much better luck and value:

- Marcus Washington (he was a stud, but lost in the Indy shuffle)
- Cornelius Griffing (Pastabelly said we operpaid)
- Shawn Springs (not the #1 CB FA on everyone's list due to injury concerns)
- Santa Moss (yeah, nobody thought he was a #1 receiver, right?)

I'm thinking Kalimba Edwards, Aaron Kampan...

[ShaggySkins]

I really hope we don't go after Abraham. I don't think we will because he will require too much money. He's been a headcase the last year or so and is rarely healthy. He's just not worth the large money and headaches he would provide when there are cheaper alternatives out there.

[RedskinRyan]

I really hope we don't go after Abraham. I don't think we will because he will require too much money. He's been a headcase the last year or so and is rarely healthy. He's just not worth the large money and headaches he would provide when there are cheaper alternatives out there.

if the jets who are $26 mil over the cap cant afford him, why would the skins at $20 mil over be able too? abraham is going to price himself out of many teams ranges, and thats fine. i think kalimba edwards could be a skin next year though.

[ConradCountry]

Kalimba Edwards would look good in a Skins uniform.

[DCGreys]

While I am no chicken little when it comes to our cap space I doubt Abraham's wishes can be fulfilled in DC. And again, remember, he SAT OUT a PLAYOFF game in a contract dispute. Not what you want on a character driven team like ours.
would rather have a hard working rookie than him

[LavarEatsBabies]

We don't necessarily need Abraham, but having a consistent pass rusher would be great and is a priority (next to a #2 receiver)

[santanadasavior]

if the jets who are $26 mil over the cap cant afford him, why would the skins at $20 mil over be able too? abraham is going to price himself out of many teams ranges, and thats fine. i think kalimba edwards could be a skin next year though.

I would rather develop a prospect under GW then try to tame a guy who sat out a playoff game.

[S.Taylor36]

It's reported the Jets will make DE John Abraham their franchise player.
The tag will pay the Jets' pass rusher $8.3 million for the 2006 season. The Jets will then be able to trade him for Philip Rivers or work with him on a long-term deal. Considering his comments earlier this week, trading him appears most likely.

http://www.nj.com/sports/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/1140156367242560.xml&coll=1

[smoak]

We don't necessarily need Abraham, but having a consistent pass rusher would be great and is a priority (next to a #2 receiver)

I am in complete agreement, and I wish someone would change the title of this thread to "Will the Abraham Rumors Ever Die".

[BigCountry]

I would rather develop a prospect under GW then try to tame a guy who sat out a playoff game.

That'd be a good idea if a. we could afford to take that chance, but the rest of the defense is in its prime now and it's being seriously held back by the lack of a stud defensive end (every other great 4-3 defense in the league has one) and b. we had someone who's even on the verge. The attitude of "oh well we'll just develope someone" for arguably the most pivotal position on the defense is why Demetric Evans and Chris Clemons were pass rush specialists. Sometimes you just have to make the big signing.

[ConradCountry]

What scares me about Abraham is not the money, which could be better used on the offense, but the heaps of baggage that he comes with.

Why not get a guy like Andre Carter for half as much who is 75% as good a Abraham with no injuries and no baggage. We could then spend the other half that we would have spent on Abraham on upgrades at WR and OL.

[Saintforchrist]

I like the idea but we shouldnt trade LaVar. He may be a little Insabordanant at times but i see he gettin it now. He is the soul of our defense. If we could keep him and reiceve Abraham it would be trouble for the NFC East.

[PennSkinsFan]

I like the idea but we shouldnt trade LaVar. He may be a little Insabordanant at times but i see he gettin it now. He is the soul of our defense. If we could keep him and reiceve Abraham it would be trouble for the NFC East.

Oh no. I don't think he is the soul of the defense at all. They were the third overall defense in 2004 without Lavar. The soul of the defense to me are two people, Marcus Washington and Cornelius Griffin, by far.

[Skins3]

I believe if we had John in the second round against the seahawks we would have won that game because hassleback would not had all day to throw like he did

John will create turnovers on defense fumbles and Int's

[lsuredskin]

I think we could def. use him. Why do people always want to develope young players? By the time they do mature you have to worry about losing them or overpaying them anyway. Not only that, I want to win now. What's wrong with trying to make the superbowl next year. Yes, you need some youth but the rest of our team isn't getting any younger. How long will Springs, Chris Samuals, Jansen, Phillips, etc., still play at a high level? Let's get Abraham, a good #2 wr, and make our run.

[S.Taylor36]

I think this is much like the situation when the Eagles got Kearse. They had a great D but the got the guy that can take them to the next level. While Abraham is no Kearse, when healthy, John Abraham is an animal coming off the end. He gets to the QB and Gregg Williams would be absolutely giddy if he were lining up on our side. We get Abraham and you will see the #1 Defense in Washington next year.

Now, I understand the concern about his attitude. We it comes to that, I trust Joe Gibbs and Gregg Williams with the judgement of character. If they are cool with him, I'm cool with him. The question is, can we afford him? I don't know. But Abraham is worth pursuing. He's that good of a talent.

[HanburgerBum]

I like the idea but we shouldnt trade LaVar. He may be a little Insabordanant at times but i see he gettin it now. He is the soul of our defense. If we could keep him and reiceve Abraham it would be trouble for the NFC East.


Lavar is the "soul" of the Skins defense? You are joking right? As PSF pointed out, LA hardly played in 2004 when the team had the 3rd overall defense. In 2005, Lavar didn't play the entire schedule and when he did play he was no longer a three-down LB.

On top of that, Lavar allows himself to be interviewed for a "rock-the-boat" type of interview with the Times on the eve of the playoff-clinching game vs the Eagles (arguably the most important game here in over a decade). A player who is the "soul" of the defense wouldn't have done that.

I suspect the only reason LA is still on the roster is because there is no easy way (cap wise) to get rid of him. So many players have passed him in terms of importance to the defense (Washington, Griffin, Taylor, Springs, Marshall, Rogers and probably even Salavea), nobody even mentions him much any more when discussing the Redskins defense.

[akhhorus]

I think this is much like the situation when the Eagles got Kearse. They had a great D but the got the guy that can take them to the next level. While Abraham is no Kearse, when healthy, John Abraham is an animal coming off the end. He gets to the QB and Gregg Williams would be absolutely giddy if he were lining up on our side. We get Abraham and you will see the #1 Defense in Washington next year.

Now, I understand the concern about his attitude. We it comes to that, I trust Joe Gibbs and Gregg Williams with the judgement of character. If they are cool with him, I'm cool with him. The question is, can we afford him? I don't know. But Abraham is worth pursuing. He's that good of a talent.


But Kearse hasn't been worth the money they paid him. He looked great with Simon next to him, then above average without him. The Skins don't need a superstar DE. They need a player who can get consistant pressure on passing downs. An athletic rookie or a vet like Bryan Thomas or Kalu could get that down at 1/5 Abe's price.

[thickskin]

Oh no. I don't think he is the soul of the defense at all. They were the third overall defense in 2004 without Lavar. The soul of the defense to me are two people, Marcus Washington and Cornelius Griffin, by far.

ah yes. the old universal. a perfect harmony of dark and light, equally proportioned. yin and yang. anima and animus. evil and good. auburn and bama.

[colkurtz]

ah yes. the old universal. a perfect harmony of dark and light, equally proportioned. yin and yang. anima and animus. evil and good. auburn and bama.

(????) What?

Can this thread pleasssssssssssse die?

[DCGreys]

Tapp

[bgforever]

I think we could def. use him. Why do people always want to develope young players? By the time they do mature you have to worry about losing them or overpaying them anyway. Not only that, I want to win now. What's wrong with trying to make the superbowl next year. Yes, you need some youth but the rest of our team isn't getting any younger. How long will Springs, Chris Samuals, Jansen, Phillips, etc., still play at a high level? Let's get Abraham, a good #2 wr, and make our run.

Good point, though I am for developing players from 2nd rd and down, I also saw how Holgren figured out that he needed instant relief to solidy one key spot and instead of FA, DRAFTED a MLB and STUCK him in there and granted the guy's got speed, he had to gulp the entire defense playbook, while Holgren also stuck a FA in where he was getting static in the offense plus added another FA - Joe J. at WR. - result + SB apprearance. So the point is, it can work either way. What a FA gives you is confidence of a chance, but NO guaranteee. What a draftee gives you is HOPE, but also, NO guarantee. The difference is weighed in effectiveness to the team's performance to win, since as you said, trying to make the SB the next year.

Holgren got away with it, by putting depth in two spots that were hurting and immediate relief from a rookie that not only provided hope, but was effective at a level above the average NFL MLB, with speed. That is NOT common, so your point is valid in the case of a NFL DE FA immediately making an impact. The Eagles benefited from BOTH Jevon Kearse and TO at the same time, but JK wasn't as effective for the overall team, as a FA DE in 2005, that he was in 2004. The drawback is next season, in 2006, what is his role as career starts to descend, and now the Eagles are in need again of a DE. They took their SB shot in 2004 to the credit of FA, but likewise their descent is also due to it (TO and Kearse were not in the equation in 2005).

[skinfanatic]

thoughts now that hes been franchised?

personally, hes out of reach for us now realistically. the only way i see it is if we trade lavar. actually, this could work, why not just merge both threads and have one w/ 100,000 posts?

[nmskin]

thoughts now that hes been franchised?

personally, hes out of reach for us now realistically. the only way i see it is if we trade lavar. actually, this could work, why not just merge both threads and have one w/ 100,000 posts?

too much $ / always hurt

[akhhorus]

thoughts now that hes been franchised?

personally, hes out of reach for us now realistically. the only way i see it is if we trade lavar. actually, this could work, why not just merge both threads and have one w/ 100,000 posts?

If I'm the jets, I wouldn't take Lavar for Abe straight up. I would demand future picks or something else.

[Redskin4Life]

Honestly, would you take him if the price was low to acquire him? Ramsey and a 3rd? The Jets can't trade to the AFC cause that would be ridiculous... most of the rumors involve AFC teams and us. They want Ramsey. If we give them a first day pick as well (assuming that we get a 3rd in compensatory), is it worth it? Or even giving up Ramsey, Betts and a 6th for Abe?

I hope no more than that but if that option became available, would we, as Skins fans, be okay with it? I think Abe here with the guys we've already got on D could be scary. Plus, we would get the time we need to develop the 2nd or 3rd round DE we get in exchange. And we'll have the space to sign all our picks by taking Ramsey and Betts off the books...

But also bear in mind, both Ramsey and Betts are FAs next year and if they have good years next year, they would warrant a lot of value in comp picks. IMHO, I think Ramsey will never get us more than he can right now in compensation. Betts, on the otherhand, could give us a high comp pick in the end. I don't know.

[S.Taylor36]

Honestly, would you take him if the price was low to acquire him? Ramsey and a 3rd? The Jets can't trade to the AFC cause that would be ridiculous... most of the rumors involve AFC teams and us. They want Ramsey. If we give them a first day pick as well (assuming that we get a 3rd in compensatory), is it worth it? Or even giving up Ramsey, Betts and a 6th for Abe?

I hope no more than that but if that option became available, would we, as Skins fans, be okay with it? I think Abe here with the guys we've already got on D could be scary. Plus, we would get the time we need to develop the 2nd or 3rd round DE we get in exchange. And we'll have the space to sign all our picks by taking Ramsey and Betts off the books...

But also bear in mind, both Ramsey and Betts are FAs next year and if they have good years next year, they would warrant a lot of value in comp picks. IMHO, I think Ramsey will never get us more than he can right now in compensation. Betts, on the otherhand, could give us a high comp pick in the end. I don't know.

I think if you can get Abraham for Ramsey and a 3rd, you do it right away. I don't think that's enough though. Ramsey is at his peak right now as far as trade value. Everyone knows the kid has an arm, it's his decision making that is in question. Ramsey is young, cheap and unlike many other QB's available, healthy. Right now the QB's out there are Brees (injured), Culpepper (injured), Jon Kitna (Palmer is injured so he might stick around) and Josh McCown. The Jets are over the cap so they can't sign another injured QB at a high price. They'd be dumb to take on Brees because they have the same issue with Pennington and that's a hell of a gamble. Culpepper is too much $$$, and I see him going to either the Dolphins or Raiders. Kitna I see hanging around with the Bengals because of the Palmer injury. McCown, I don't know the market for him really. So that leaves Ramsey looking good right now. He has to be traded now because he is not gonna play this year and that would decrease his value. Betts I'd still hold on to. I like him in the backfield and giving him up this year I believe would be a mistake.

[S.Taylor36]

Here is an article I found with predictions as to where all the QB's will go. It has Ramsey going to New Orleans.

http://rotoworld.com/content/story.asp?sport=NFL&storyid=19835

[S.Taylor36]

Here is an article I found with predictions as to where all the QB's will go. It has Ramsey going to New Orleans.

http://rotoworld.com/content/story.asp?sport=NFL&storyid=19835

I don't agree with this assesment

Ramsey can probably be acquired for a box of footballs

[ChiefPowhatan17]

It looks as if we are one of the teams looking to trade for him. But, can we afford it. Please don't give up anymore #1's.

[danny's stogie]

I don't agree with this assesment

Ramsey can probably be acquired for a box of footballs

I agree...a box of footballs may be a stretch. I think a box of used gym socks is more likely and maybe, just maybe we can convince the trading partner to throw in some odor eaters to erase the putrid smell.

[The Skinsinator]

I don't agree with this assesment

Ramsey can probably be acquired for a box of footballsFunny, but I think everyone maybe pleasantly surprised at what we get for him. A young qb that is cheap, has a cannon, and healthy should get some interest. Lots of teams need qbs and there aren't reasonable solutions out there. As odd as it sounds to us, Ramsey may sound reasonable to alot of teams. I'd be calling everyone that needs a qb and deal him hard.

[akhhorus]

Funny, but I think everyone maybe pleasantly surprised at what we get for him. A young qb that is cheap, has a cannon, and healthy should get some interest. Lots of teams need qbs and there aren't reasonable solutions out there. As odd as it sounds to us, Ramsey may sound reasonable to alot of teams. I'd be calling everyone that needs a qb and deal him hard.

The problem is that its a bad year to try and deal a QB. There's going to be 8-10 better Qbs out there available in trades and FA(Culpepper, Seneca Wallace, Kerry Collins, Brooks, Frerotte, Pennington(maybe), Fielder, Brees, Orton, Brian Griese and maybe Tim Rattay). Thats going to depress Ramsey's value.

[Smurf85]

We draft a DE for this reason.Now that the Colts have signed Reggie Wayne.There is NO way they can sign Freeney and his contract is over after this year.So i would like to go after him next year when we might have more room under the cap.

[ConradCountry]

We draft a DE for this reason.Now that the Colts have signed Reggie Wayne.There is NO way they can sign Freeney and his contract is over after this year.So i would like to go after him next year when we might have more room under the cap.

Freeney will never leave INdy you can be sure that all these moves are contigent on being able to sign him next your or it will be the tag game.

[bgforever]

Here is an article I found with predictions as to where all the QB's will go. It has Ramsey going to New Orleans.

http://rotoworld.com/content/story.asp?sport=NFL&storyid=19835


I felt this was good in many ways, because even though Brooks was a bit more mobile than Ramsey, the players they have in place currently and the distaste for Brooks being a starter anymore has grown, means a pitch at Ramsey may be made.

[bgforever]

Freeney will never leave INdy you can be sure that all these moves are contigent on being able to sign him next your or it will be the tag game.

Letting Freeney go is like letting Wayne or Manning go. It would be a very bad move. They love him, and would start staying away from the RCA Dome, if he's gone.

[Smurf85]

ConradCountry Wrote:
Freeney will never leave INdy you can be sure that all these moves are contigent on being able to sign him next your or it will be the tag game.

Well they better be able to make him the highest payed DE.You know that is what he is going to want.

[Jake76]

Trading Lavar Arrington would simply cost the team too much money. The remainder of his bonus money automatically escalates into the salary cap. Additionally, we don't have any picks to trade. Gave up 1st and 4th rounders for 2006 for Jason "I haven't played a down" Campbell. There isn't any viable solution to the Lavar problem at this point that comes out well for the Skins. If he stays, evidently his cap number is around 12 mil. If not, then the signing bonus money( the remainder, which is plenty) winds up in the cap anyway. As for Abraham, why bother? He has been franchised. Would have to give up at least 1 if not 2 # first round picks, and as such we do not have a first in 2006. Forget Abraham!

[Jake76]

Why in the would would San Diego ever trade Phillip Rivers for John Abraham straight up, now that that Drew Brees is going to be a free agent? Does not make any sense.

[whitskins]

Trading Lavar Arrington would simply cost the team too much money. The remainder of his bonus money automatically escalates into the salary cap. Additionally, we don't have any picks to trade. Gave up 1st and 4th rounders for 2006 for Jason "I haven't played a down" Campbell. There isn't any viable solution to the Lavar problem at this point that comes out well for the Skins. If he stays, evidently his cap number is around 12 mil. If not, then the signing bonus money( the remainder, which is plenty) winds up in the cap anyway. As for Abraham, why bother? He has been franchised. Would have to give up at least 1 if not 2 # first round picks, and as such we do not have a first in 2006. Forget Abraham!

Trading Lavar would only have an additional cap charge of just over 100,000 dollars and would clear off a gazillion dollars worth of cap space for future years. We would essentially take the same huge hit either way but if we keep him then we'll have to continue paying his massive salary for several more years.

And Abraham has been franchised but that does not mean he has to be traded for 2 first rounders. Remember Champ for Portis? If the Skins and Jets agree to compensation then they can trade anything for Abraham. And Abe is going to sign his tender to force the Jets to trade him so they can't pull the tag off of him to get his cap charge back. No one is going to give up two firsts for Abe, he'll go somewhere for a more reasonable sum.

[skins4me]

New York papers reporting this morning about 'Skins interest in John Abraham and Jets interest in P.Ramsey. Also, it appears Adam Vinatieri will be on the market but, his price tag may be too steep for us. He would be a great upgrade at K.

[EberKain]

I would be happy with both those, but say goodbye to next years 2nd rounder if we trade Ram for Abraham.

[santanadasavior]

I would be happy with both those, but say goodbye to next years 2nd rounder if we trade Ram for Abraham.

I really don't care about that pick as of right now because we need a pass rusher. I really don't care how many people say that we need to keep all of our picks, we also need to improve the team now. And by making this move we can do that. I think that Ramsey is not even a piece in our puzzle and John Abraham would be huge IMO.

[Smurf85]

Skins4me Wrote:
New York papers reporting this morning about 'Skins interest in John Abraham and Jets interest in P.Ramsey. Also, it appears Adam Vinatieri will be on the market but, his price tag may be too steep for us. He would be a great upgrade at K.

Can i get a link i can not find it and i want to read it.

[Smurf85]

Also how can this happen it would hurt are cap even more at this moment.

[gravesUKRedskin]

...look at how long it's taken Lavar to get over his injury (if he is yet). How this. Take Levar, bulk him up a bit and play him at DE like Freeney (he would be just as quick). That would allow Levar to be his old aggresive self. Then we take a long look to see if there is any good OLBs out there. We have done a real good job recently of finding LBs out of nowhere, so lets do it again. Or trade Ramsey for an OLB, that would provide an upgrade for that area.

[S.Taylor36]

Among the several teams with whom the Jets have spoken in recent days are the Washington Redskins and the Denver Broncos.

I knew we'd be interested.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2346508

[Smurf85]

S.Taylor36 Wrote:
I knew we'd be interested.

Yes we are interested but we still dont have the money that we need to get him.

[S.Taylor36]

S.Taylor36 Wrote:


Yes we are interested but we still dont have the money that we need to get him.

We don't have the money right now but once the CBA negotiations are settled we might have the money. John Clayton tonight on Sportscenter said that the Redskins and Jets feel comfortable with each other and that they (the Jets) have interest in Ramsey and we have interest in Abraham. If there is any way it can get done I think the Redskins are gonna go after this guy.

[Smurf85]

S.Taylor36 Wrote:
We don't have the money right now but once the CBA negotiations are settled we might have the money. John Clayton tonight on Sportscenter said that the Redskins and Jets feel comfortable with each other and that they (the Jets) have interest in Ramsey and we have interest in Abraham. If there is any way it can get done I think the Redskins are gonna go after this guy.

Yes but the CBA is done yet so we have no money we cant count on that.If the CBA gets done and its in the favor of the Skins then i hope to god we do get him if we do it would be great for are DEF.

[ShaggySkins]

I'm really torn on Abraham. Part of me feels this is the 10+ sack guy our defense has been lacking for a long time and he could really fill that void. Another side of me has heard about his personality problems and he has been injury prone in the past. It really depends on what the Jets want for him, if we can give up Ramsey and say a 4th rounder then I would do it in a heartbeat but since we are already missing our 1st and 3rd rounders i would be very cautious in trading away our second rounder in any deal and I ultimately think that may be what it takes to land him.

[GWBlitzST]

Seriously if we are looking at him hard I wouldn't worry about personalitiy problems. Once he gets into the Skins locker room, talks with MW, GW, and Joe, he'll know what he's becoming a part of. And Danny will take care of him, he won't be getting the run around on his long term deal like he did in New Jersey.

[Redskin4Life]

I'm really torn on Abraham. Part of me feels this is the 10+ sack guy our defense has been lacking for a long time and he could really fill that void. Another side of me has heard about his personality problems and he has been injury prone in the past. It really depends on what the Jets want for him, if we can give up Ramsey and say a 4th rounder then I would do it in a heartbeat but since we are already missing our 1st and 3rd rounders i would be very cautious in trading away our second rounder in any deal and I ultimately think that may be what it takes to land him.
We are missing a 4th, not a 3rd.... we've got a 2nd, 3rd, 5th, 2 6th, 7th

[DCGreys]

Tapp is it

[Smurf85]

Will we go after him.Well not now NO way in hell.

[NCskinsfanatic]

I have to admit that without the cba we will probably be filling most of our pressing needs (after cuts) through the draft this year. In other words, I think its safe to say that without a cba there will be no abe in B&G.

[ChiefPowhatan17]

Not without a CBA.

[chad101]

Rumor in JET land is Abraham for one of Denver's 1st rounders will be announced tomorrow.

[bgforever]

Rumor in JET land is Abraham for one of Denver's 1st rounders will be announced tomorrow.

That was a given. They keep loading up that line and the problem, as far as I am concerned is Plummer choking.

[skinswin]

Rumor in JET land is Abraham for one of Denver's 1st rounders will be announced tomorrow.


That denver first rounder used to be OUR FIRST ROUNDER!:banghead:

[DCGreys]

who needs it at this point

[chad101]

That denver first rounder used to be OUR FIRST ROUNDER!:banghead:

I think or the person on Jets board who states he has a source says it is the #29 pick which I don't think is yours.

[skinswin]

Denver has two first rounders because one of them is ours. Whichever is the higher first rounder is ours.

But Denver wouldn't have one to give away if it wasn't for us throwing that in. :banghead: :devil2:

[chad101]

Denver has two first rounders because one of them is ours. Whichever is the higher first rounder is ours.

But Denver wouldn't have one to give away if it wasn't for us throwing that in. :banghead: :devil2:

Yeah but you got Campbell with that deal correct?

Would have been tough getting a QB of his potential with that pick this year.

[DCGreys]

you are aware we drafted Campbell in that transaction, right? Plenty of value i would say

[WABronco]

I think or the person on Jets board who states he has a source says it is the #29 pick which I don't think is yours.

Nope, it's not.

[akhhorus]

Yeah but you got Campbell with that deal correct?

Would have been tough getting a QB of his potential with that pick this year.

exactly. And a good Qb is worth more than a good Pass rusher.