cba tba mon

[gibbsisgod]

http://redskins.scout.com/2/502838.html happy reading, i hope this stays true

[S.Taylor36]

This is great news if true. Two things I take from that report is that they will most likely extend the deadline, which I always believed they would do. The second is the cap number. $95 million would be great for us. Now I'll go back to crossing my fingers.

[Jake76]

How can you say the salary cap will be 95 mil and that is okay for the Redskins? We would still be about 25 mil over and that is horrendous.

[GolfFreak]

I hope it gets done soon!

[PennSkinsFan]

How can you say the salary cap will be 95 mil and that is okay for the Redskins? We would still be about 25 mil over and that is horrendous.

Because with a new CBA it will allow restructuring of contractds to ease that cap number tremendously.

[gibbsisgod]

7 years not 4 and tricks of cap mag will not fault

[whitskins]

If the CBA gets extended then I'm going to go out on a limb and say John Abraham will be a Redskin very shortly.

[hail2skins]

I thought the cap would be higher with a new CBA considering the new TV contracts.

[whitskins]

I thought the cap would be higher with a new CBA considering the new TV contracts.

It will be I think the 95 mil still refers to a non-extended CBA cap.

[Jake76]

Regardless of a new CBA, the Skins will still be way over the cap. And that automatically is problematic. As for Arrington, if he stays, there is another 6 mil or so due in July that will add to the salary cap woes. Keep in mind, all teams have to be at or under the cap by Mar. 3. Does not leave much time for us to get down to the cutoff

[Jake76]

Abraham has already been designated a franchise player by the Jets. How are the Redskins ever going to trade for him? No money and not enough draft picks available to use in a trade

[whitskins]

Regardless of a new CBA, the Skins will still be way over the cap. And that automatically is problematic. As for Arrington, if he stays, there is another 6 mil or so due in July that will add to the salary cap woes. Keep in mind, all teams have to be at or under the cap by Mar. 3. Does not leave much time for us to get down to the cutoff

If the cap is 105-110 mil then the Skins can definitely get under without much of a problem. They have a bunch of guys they can cut/trade like Bowen, Harris, Ramsey, Raymer, etc, and restructuring contracts becomes much, much easier because the 30% rule will not apply.

Time shouldn't be a factor either way, they should have a plan for both scenarios by now, so it doesn't matter that the deadline is so close.

[whitskins]

Abraham has already been designated a franchise player by the Jets. How are the Redskins ever going to trade for him? No money and not enough draft picks available to use in a trade

Because the Skins will have cap room with a CBA extension and can sign him to a long-term deal that has a small initial cap charge like Moss' deal.

And they don't necessarily need draft picks to trade for him, they can trade Ramsey and other players or picks from next year. The two first round picks is only the standard compensation if no alternative compensation is worked out and no one is going to give up two firsts for Abe. The only reason we're talking with the Jets about Abe is because Ramsey is part of the discussion.

[MONK_in_HOF]

:Partyup: That is how I will feel if this story is valid. This will help us greatly, and it will be good for football overall. As much as is would be advantageous to the Skins w/out a cap next year, it would be bad for football IMO. I wouldn't want us to be the Washington Yankees.

[Jake76]

Even with a new CBA the Skins are still way over the cap. That means either cutting players or restructuring of existing contracts or both. Either way, it makes it difficult to sign free agents when there isn't money. And again, every team must be at or under the cap by March 3. Not good!!

[Axegrinder]

Even with a new CBA the Skins are still way over the cap. That means either cutting players or restructuring of existing contracts or both. Either way, it makes it difficult to sign free agents when there isn't money. And again, every team must be at or under the cap by March 3. Not good!!
http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=15618

[santanadasavior]

Even with a new CBA the Skins are still way over the cap. That means either cutting players or restructuring of existing contracts or both. Either way, it makes it difficult to sign free agents when there isn't money. And again, every team must be at or under the cap by March 3. Not good!!

There is plenty of dead weight to be lost. Do not worry.

[akhhorus]

Because with a new CBA it will allow restructuring of contractds to ease that cap number tremendously.

And if the Skins can restructure Springs, portis, Washington & Griffin, they only have to cut Noble, Bowen, Harris, Raymer and deal Ramsey and they are significantly UNDER the cap.

[akhhorus]

And if the Skins can restructure Springs, portis, Washington & Griffin, they only have to cut Noble, Bowen, Harris, Raymer and deal Ramsey and they are significantly UNDER the cap.

Also, I seriously doubt that the cap will stay at 95ish million. I suspect that it will jump significantly, or that it will take a major leap in 07, so the skins should be fine capwise.

[Skinz4lyfe]

Man I hope we get this deal done because IMO, a new CBA will go a long way in determining how this team will fair next year and what FAs we can pick up. I still don't expect us to be major players in Free Agency but at least we'll be able to pick up some middle of the road replacements.

[greatest2]

guys just a though and i know it's out there...

how is Randy thomas, i am really excited about our running game next season......hope he is on schedual with his rehad,....anybody got any info on this????

[hail2skins]

guys just a though and i know it's out there...

how is Randy thomas, i am really excited about our running game next season......hope he is on schedual with his rehad,....anybody got any info on this????Don't hijack threads. This is about the CBA, not Thomas.

[RicFlairOne]

ProfootballTalk says that it will get done too. Gotta go to church now and pray for Skins (just joking - well not really).

whooooooooooooooo

[Thugzbunny]

Most Likely it will get done, other wise your looking at lot of unhappy and sad players. It's not good for the players and teams that may have to cut good players.

[flave1969]

How can you say the salary cap will be 95 mil and that is okay for the Redskins? We would still be about 25 mil over and that is horrendous.

I would suggest you read the other cap threads on how relatively simple it is for Washington to get under the cap. If the CBA is not extended then there are real problems. We would need to shed 20 million but as in every year that is reasonably straightforward. Players that are unlikely to be around no matter what happens will shed over half the amount.

[CapitalDefense]

Finally some good news on the CBA, I will be relieved when there is a report that its done. Gibbs said they had a plan in place either way, lets hope plan A works out because plan B could be painful.

[PA Skins Girl]

Regardless of a new CBA, the Skins will still be way over the cap. And that automatically is problematic. As for Arrington, if he stays, there is another 6 mil or so due in July that will add to the salary cap woes. Keep in mind, all teams have to be at or under the cap by Mar. 3. Does not leave much time for us to get down to the cutoff
Jake-
The Skins have $30 million allocated in roster bonuses in 2006. With a CBA extension, they can convert the roster bonuses to signing bonuses and spread that money over the length of the player's current contract. They can drop $20 million by doing just that. Also, with a CBA extension, they can convert the salaries of several high salaried players to signing bonuses and spread that money out, saving more. The reason they cant do these conversions as easily without a CBA extension is the 30% rule. Basically, when you convert the roster bonuses, the player's future salaries would then be in violation of the 30% rule. With a CBA extension, the 30% rule gets pushed back until the new Last Capped Year.

As far as Abraham, do you remember how we got Clinton Portis? We franchised Champ Bailey, then traded him. The new team can then sign the franchised player to a long term deal.

With a CBA extension, we have some room to make a few moves.

[OCSkinzFan]

Jake-
The Skins have $30 million allocated in roster bonuses in 2006. With a CBA extension, they can convert the roster bonuses to signing bonuses and spread that money over the length of the player's current contract. They can drop $20 million by doing just that. Also, with a CBA extension, they can convert the salaries of several high salaried players to signing bonuses and spread that money out, saving more. The reason they can do these conversions as easily without a CBA extension is the 30% rule. Basically, when you convert the roster bonuses, the player's future salaries would then be in violation of the 30% rule. With a CBA extension, the 30% rule gets pushed back until the new Last Capped Year.

As far as Abraham, do you remember how we got Clinton Portis? We franchised Champ Bailey, then traded him. The new team can then sign the franchised player to a long term deal.

With a CBA extension, we have some room to make a few moves.
Another crystalline elucidation from Skins Girl on this year's cap.

[S.Taylor36]

Jake-
The Skins have $30 million allocated in roster bonuses in 2006. With a CBA extension, they can convert the roster bonuses to signing bonuses and spread that money over the length of the player's current contract. They can drop $20 million by doing just that. Also, with a CBA extension, they can convert the salaries of several high salaried players to signing bonuses and spread that money out, saving more. The reason they can do these conversions as easily without a CBA extension is the 30% rule. Basically, when you convert the roster bonuses, the player's future salaries would then be in violation of the 30% rule. With a CBA extension, the 30% rule gets pushed back until the new Last Capped Year.

As far as Abraham, do you remember how we got Clinton Portis? We franchised Champ Bailey, then traded him. The new team can then sign the franchised player to a long term deal.

With a CBA extension, we have some room to make a few moves.

I was waiting for your knowledge on this subject PA Skins Girl. Everytime you answer I understand more and more about this subject. Thanks for the imput.

[BtwnDaTackles]

Really Hope this follows through man...

[bgforever]

Hail2Skins corrected me on the update of the CBA - NONE. Still watching the news like everyone else - I agree BtwnDaTackles -

[techskinsfan]

has anyone found any other place that gives similar positive indications?

[akhhorus]

has anyone found any other place that gives similar positive indications?

Latest post article sounds very optimistic and the latest from PFT is really optimistic.

[techskinsfan]

Latest post article sounds very optimistic and the latest from PFT is really optimistic.
alright thats great then...i wasnt sure how credible that article was

[sdredskinsfan]

has anyone found any other place that gives similar positive indications?

Adam Schefter (sp?) of NFL Network, who a couple of days was prognosticating doom, said sunday that there are some encouraging signs. But, it didn't sound like anything was imminent. Nevertheless, he and others admit they don't truly know.

[whistleandthumb]

I've always believed something would get done in the 11th hour, but would love to have it done on Monday... a nice b-day present from the NFLPA to me!!

[sdredskinsfan]

http://redskins.scout.com/2/502838.html happy reading, i hope this stays true

Article does NOT say that CBA will be announced monday. Only the 2006 cap will be announced monday, according to the article. But, at least the article points to a CBA in the near future.

[GibbsFan]

CBA will get done. Too much for both sides to lose IMO. Both sides rock the boat but neither one wants to tip it over. Its real bad for 06 if it does not get done. 07 would not be as great as everyone thinks if uncapped.

[Slobberknocker]

Well, it's Monday, and the shoe hasn't dropped yet...

[RicFlairOne]

Might get done next week. The owners and players will get this done by March 7th at the latest. All parties involved will make it happen.

[chrisbcbu]

Here is the latest right now.

NFL | League moving closer to a labor deal?
Mon, 27 Feb 2006 09:29:18 -0800

Alex Marvez, of the Sun-Sentinel, reports the NFL appears on the verge of reaching agreement on a new labor pact with its players union. Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones said Monday, Feb. 27, that progress has been made. An agreement reached this week would likely delay the start of the free-agent signing period, which is scheduled to begin Friday, March 3. Jones said negotiations between the league and the NFL Players Association could continue until Thursday, March 2.

[whistleandthumb]

Here is the latest right now.
Thanks for posting. Things sound as encouraging as ever.

[chrisbcbu]

Thanks for posting. Things sound as encouraging as ever.

If you think that sounds encouraging, you should hear what PFT is saying now

CBA IS "DONE," BUT . . . .



A league source tells us that a deal between the NFL and the NFL Players Association on an extension to the Collective Bargaining Agreement is "done," and that the only thing keeping the thing from being signed and sealed is the absence of a firm arrangement among owners regarding an expansion of revenue sharing.



The only remaining problem is that the new CBA replaces "Defined Gross Revenues" (i.e., the stuff that has been shared by the 32 teams for years) with "Total Football Revenues" (i.e., every penny earned). And if every penny earned, including stuff that isn't currently shared, goes into the formula for determining the salary cap, the problem is that the low-earning teams will see their individual cap numbers influenced by the much bigger money being raked in by other teams.



Stay tuned. It's looking more and more like it's only a matter of time before the owners work this thing out. As they should.

[akhhorus]

If you think that sounds encouraging, you should hear what PFT is saying now

Good, I get to yell this at the guy posting in my latest mock blog....

[Redskinfan28]

Once the CBA is signed, we can then restructre contracts, cut players and sign Moulds.

[whistleandthumb]

If you think that sounds encouraging, you should hear what PFT is saying now
Jumpin' George, that's good news!!!! I hope it's true, and they can work it out in the next couple days.

[DoGood]

Where does this information originate from? Is there someone sitting in on the meetings or does Tagliabue (sp?) give an interview on progress? I'm just curious.

[akhhorus]

Where does this information originate from? Is there someone sitting in on the meetings or does Tagliabue (sp?) give an interview on progress? I'm just curious.

Probably from the parties involved who have connections with media outlets. PFT hinted that one agent was text messaging him what Upshaw was saying in the closed door meeting as he was saying it.

[Battle Cat]

Might get done next week. The owners and players will get this done by March 7th at the latest. All parties involved will make it happen.

I was under the impression that this was the owneres against the owners and had nothing to do with the players.

[FanFromArizona]

Just out of curiosity, [and I am NOT taking this position], but what happens if we are NOT under the cap by the deadline, what happens next?

It does not sound like this will be a problem, but could we ask for an extension to make a decision on what needs to be reduced to get under the cap? This is getting too close for comfort, I would hate to have to negotiate last minute under duress, so: Could we refuse to be under the cap by the deadline and what are the consequences of failing to be under the cap?

PA Skins Girl, you out there?

[akhhorus]

Just out of curiosity, [and I am NOT taking this position], but what happens if we are NOT under the cap by the deadline, what happens next?

It does not sound like this will be a problem, but could we ask for an extension to make a decision on what needs to be reduced to get under the cap? This is getting too close for comfort, I would hate to have to negotiate last minute under duress, so: Could we refuse to be under the cap by the deadline and what are the consequences of failing to be under the cap?

PA Skins Girl, you out there?

I believe that if you're over the cap at the start of free agency, you cannot sign free agents until you're under the cap and you could lose draft picks if you continue to refuse to be under or at the cap.

[FanFromArizona]

I believe that if you're over the cap at the start of free agency, you cannot sign free agents until you're under the cap and you could lose draft picks if you continue to refuse to be under or at the cap.

so what would be the penalty if we are over the cap for a couple of days besides not being able to sign free agents? Is there a formula?

[chrisbcbu]

Just out of curiosity, [and I am NOT taking this position], but what happens if we are NOT under the cap by the deadline, what happens next?

It does not sound like this will be a problem, but could we ask for an extension to make a decision on what needs to be reduced to get under the cap? This is getting too close for comfort, I would hate to have to negotiate last minute under duress, so: Could we refuse to be under the cap by the deadline and what are the consequences of failing to be under the cap?

PA Skins Girl, you out there?

There are definately penalties for not being under the cap. It would start off as losing draft picks, then would come fines. And after all that you refuse to get under the cap the Commish will start voiding out the contracts starting with the most recent contracts, until you are finally under the cap.

[akhhorus]

so what would be the penalty if we are over the cap for a couple of days besides not being able to sign free agents? Is there a formula?

I wouldn't push it, even for a couple days.

[chrisbcbu]

More info from PFT. The NFL didnt give out the cap numbers today like they were supposed to. Which is giving indication that the a deal is definately in the works and that it will probably delay the opening of Free agency.

NFL DELAYS OFFICIAL CROP REPORT

A league source tells us that the NFL previously promised to disseminate on Monday the official crop report (a/k/a salary cap numbers) for 2006, and that the league ultimately failed to do so.

This development has prompted increased speculation among league insiders that a new CBA is imminent, since an extension would require the team-by-team salary maximums to be re-calculated pursuant to the formula set forth in the new agreement.

We've previously heard that the new CBA will determine the cap numbers based on a percentage of "Total Football Revenue." Current thinking in some circles is that the number will be 59 percent, and that the salary cap will be between $100 million and $110 million per team for 2006.

Raw revenue numbers suggest an even higher number, but we're told that there are certain deductions that will be made before the 59 percent figure is applied.

Anyway, brace yourself for what looks to be an inevitable announcement that peace and harmony will continue in a sport premised upon anything but.

[smoot]

and that the salary cap will be between $100 million and $110 million per team for 2006.

:Pickle: if this is true then were money

[S.Taylor36]

If the cap goes up to $110 million, then we can do some good things.

[Biggie]

:Pickle: if this is true then were money

You know, for that to happen, we would have to give in and pay for Ralph Wilson's yacht. Are we willing to do that?

[smoot]

You know, for that to happen, we would have to give in and pay for Ralph Wilson's yacht. Are we willing to do that?
i dont get the reference, care to explain?

[Biggie]

i dont get the reference, care to explain?

Ralph Wilson being the owner of the Buffalo Bills.

[Smurf85]

Really all this means nothing.If i see it happen then i will be happy, but right now we are in big troble.I pray that we get what we need, or we will be crying 1 to 3 weeks from now.When we loss key players.

[akhhorus]

i dont get the reference, care to explain?

The joke is that Snyder, a big market rich owner, would have to divide his revenues to a small market poorer owner who is cheap and will spend it on luxury goods instead of putting more money in his team.

[danny's stogie]

You know, for that to happen, we would have to give in and pay for Ralph Wilson's yacht. Are we willing to do that?

LOL. I'd give him that yacht....and a map leading it right over Niagra Falls.

[danny's stogie]

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/9271811

Deadline: March 1st, 4 PM ET.

[whistleandthumb]

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/9271811

Deadline: March 1st, 4 PM ET.
Why would they set the deadline for Wednesday if FA isn't supposed to start until Friday? Wouldn't they want to use all day Thursday and Friday, if need be, to get something done?

[smoot]

The joke is that Snyder, a big market rich owner, would have to divide his revenues to a small market poorer owner who is cheap and will spend it on luxury goods instead of putting more money in his team.
yeah, i read it wrong, i was reading it as that we would have to buy the yacht that belongs to ralph wilson. didnt seem to make much sense :banghead:

[RicFlairOne]

The joke is that Snyder, a big market rich owner, would have to divide his revenues to a small market poorer owner who is cheap and will spend it on luxury goods instead of putting more money in his team.

You've been saying all along that it had to get done. If PFT's numbers are correct (and they usually are very accurate) and the cap is between 100 and 110, that is very good news and will allow Gibbs and company to move forward with a 'best' case scenerio.

[Smurf85]

We are in troble!NFL TALKS BREAK DOWN!

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2348417