Arrington released Part II

[rskinsfan10]

Continue the discussion here.

The original has been closed and archived.

http://hailredskins.com/vbforum/showthread.php?t=33211

[silverspring]

Does anyone understand the full cap implications of this for both this year and future years?

[RichardBradley]

what did we win with him?

[akhhorus]

No one is acting as though he was victim

I think you're willing to excuse any public griping by Lavar as being provoked by the coaches and that Lavar is blameless for his failures in 05. Lavar needs to take responsibility for his actions and behavior(as does Taylor and everyone in society) and stop acting like he deserves everything. He doesn't.

but at the same time lets not act as though he should have had a smile on his face after what went on around here this past season. His position coach initiating a confrontation on the sidelines, then following that up with trying to take it up a notch in the locker room is/was LaVar's fault I suppose, along with other unreported things that I have heard about. Yep, all LaVar's fault. Even other players observing that one particular confrontation reportedly were saying "C'mon, leave LaVar alone already.

So that excuses Lavar ripping Gibbs and the staff before the season during the mini camps? This was a relationship headed for divorce, but Lavar started it by blaming the coaches for his problems and for his injury.

LaVar comes in and gets as many tackles in one game as the guy that had been playing in front of him had gotten in 3-4 games, but he has nothing left? Yeah, okay. Believe what you will.

Doing it against a pathetic team in San Francisco doesn't impress me considering the game was over by National Anthem. But if memory serves, even with Lavar the Star in, we gave up 2 big runs to them. And I think Holdman was bad, but Lavar wasn't much better than him.

[chrisbcbu]

Does anyone understand the full cap implications of this for both this year and future years?

We save 4.2 million this year and he is completely off our books for future years!

[redskin_rich]

Does anyone understand the full cap implications of this for both this year and future years?
I believe his cap hit will be around 8 Mil this year and nothing in the future, he is clered off the books.

[akhhorus]

Does anyone understand the full cap implications of this for both this year and future years?

He costs us 8 million against the cap for 06, instrad of 12 million and costs us nothing in the future. His contract is completely off the books after 06.

[helimech24]

Does the 6 million still count against the cap with a 4 million dollar relief from Lavar?
Nevermind, you guys already answered. Thanks.

[MoeRedskins]

So you think Lavar still possesses his freakish athleticism, he was simply minimized in the defense for no good reason whatsoever?

Lavar rarely blitzed because every time he did he was routinely blocked by a running back. It's pretty clear that when a former practice squad guy is replacing you on the field on third downs because he is the better pass rusher, that Lavar just didn't possess the athletic skills he once did. I really doubt the coaches saw the ability in Lavar but just collectively agreed not to use him in that way. That doesn't make any sense.

LaVar comes in and gets as many tackles in one game as the guy that had been playing in front of him had gotten in 3-4 games, but he has nothing left? Yeah, okay. Believe what you will.

Stated very well right there. I don't have the tape in front of me, so I can't tell you what LaVar did do on plays he blitzed, but I do want it noted that our blitz this year was not as affect as it was the year in 2004. It seemed on blitzes nobody was really getting free in the beginning and the middle of the season. Also, based on the stories I have heard about the feeling the D coaches had toward L.A., I wouldn't be surprised if they did withold him. I have no evidence and it is just my belief, but the guys we have coaching D are a stubborn bunch, and if you don't get in line I could see them just saying the hell with you and your not playing. It doesn't make much sense, granted, but it impossible.

[The 6th Dirtbag]

what did we win with him?


The chance to watch a really exciting player. No kidding, the int for a TD against CAR is the second most memorable moment in recent Redskins history (Moss TD against Dallas being #1), and that was just one play! He also gave Troy Aikman a career-ending shot to the dome (not trying to glorify an injury, but c'mon, the HOF Dallas QB ends career because #56 is a missle--that is cool.) Also, he had an int and a sack and 10 tckls in the TB playoff game (arguably his best performance ever as a Redskin), so to answer your question: the only playoff game in almost a decade. Good time for him to show up, huh?

[akhhorus]

No. Think about it like this: If the NFL had a fantasy draft with ALL the players today I am sure that, regardless of what teams picked first, LaVar would be picked before Lamar. Whether LaVar was picked in round 3 or 7, Lamar would definitely be picked AFTER him (despite the fact that Lamar or Lemar whatever, plays a more important position). Could you really see Lemar going before LaVar. No way man.

Thats a ridiculous example. But I think a smart GM would take Lemar before Lavar.

[The Skinsinator]

He costs us 8 million against the cap for 06, instrad of 12 million and costs us nothing in the future. His contract is completely off the books after 06.This is why I am very pleased with this. He's not worth close to his outlandsish contract and gives us a tremendous amount more flexibility with new acquisitions/current contracts.

[HAWGZHEAD]

LaVar is still a good player. He isn't the athletic nightmare he was coming out of college. Noone is saying he sucks in here, but he has lost a step, has a weight problem, and was a strain on the cap. That is how I see the situation.

With all that said I will still be sick to see him in the NFC east come regular season.

[The 6th Dirtbag]

Thats a ridiculous example. But I think a smart GM would take Lemar before Lavar.

How is that ridiculous? I think it proves my point pretty well.

[rskinsfan10]

I think you're willing to excuse any public griping by Lavar as being provoked by the coaches and that Lavar is blameless for his failures in 05. Lavar needs to take responsibility for his actions and behavior(as does Taylor and everyone in society) and stop acting like he deserves everything. He doesn't.Well, you think wrong. LaVar himself took responsiblity for some of the things that he said, so that road was traveled months ago. Now, show me what exactly did I say that he deserves.



So that excuses Lavar ripping Gibbs and the staff before the season during the mini camps? This was a relationship headed for divorce, but Lavar started it by blaming the coaches for his problems and for his injury. Never said that he was excused from that either. Try again.



Doing it against a pathetic team in San Francisco doesn't impress me considering the game was over by National Anthem. But if memory serves, even with Lavar the Star in, we gave up 2 big runs to them(as we did in KC with. And I think Holdman was bad, but Lavar wasn't much better than him.Right, because that game doesn't count as none of the others that he played in where he clearly was better then Holdman. Again, believe what you will.

[akhhorus]

Stated very well right there. I don't have the tape in front of me, so I can't tell you what LaVar did do on plays he blitzed, but I do want it noted that our blitz this year was not as affect as it was the year in 2004. It seemed on blitzes nobody was really getting free in the beginning and the middle of the season. Also, based on the stories I have heard about the feeling the D coaches had toward L.A., I wouldn't be surprised if they did withold him. I have no evidence and it is just my belief, but the guys we have coaching D are a stubborn bunch, and if you don't get in line I could see them just saying the hell with you and your not playing. It doesn't make much sense, granted, but it impossible.

I can't buy that because Williams(and Gibbs) are ultra competative and would do basically anything and play anyone to win. If Lavar was so much better on the field than Holdman or Clemons, he would have been on the field. I can believe that they were sick of Lavar's crap off the field, but I can't believe that they would bench Lavar just to spite him. The irony of this theory is that Lavar played the most during the midseason tailspin the skins did and he went down with a thigh injury against St Louis and didn't play much until the 2nd philly game and we won.

[whitskins]

Stated very well right there. I don't have the tape in front of me, so I can't tell you what LaVar did do on plays he blitzed, but I do want it noted that our blitz this year was not as affect as it was the year in 2004. It seemed on blitzes nobody was really getting free in the beginning and the middle of the season. Also, based on the stories I have heard about the feeling the D coaches had toward L.A., I wouldn't be surprised if they did withold him. I have no evidence and it is just my belief, but the guys we have coaching D are a stubborn bunch, and if you don't get in line I could see them just saying the hell with you and your not playing. It doesn't make much sense, granted, but it impossible.

Ok, when did I ever say he had nothing left? I didn't, I said he was past his prime, and that is completely obvious. How many tackles LA had in a game compared to Warrick Holdman doesn't mean much to me, because Warrick Holdman totally sucks. Lavar was once the premiere linebacker in the NFL, but now we're judging his worth based on the fact that he's better than Warrick Holdman?

I said Lavar is past his prime and he is. He does not possess the once freakish athleticism that he used to become a once dominant player. If the best theory you have for why Lavar's production was so down (by his own standards) last year is that his coaches held him back for no reason other than they are "stubborn" then I can't really say anything other than that doesn't make sense. I fail to grasp how telling someone not to freelance on the field is robbing him of his athletic ability. It isn't.

And to blame our overall blitzing doesn't make much sense either. Marcus Washington had 7.5 sacks last year. Lavar had ZERO. The common response is Lavar was blitzed far less than Washington, and even Marshall and Clemons, which is true, because whenever he was blitzed he was handled easily. Maybe some don't buy it but to me that makes some sense.

What Lavar is right now is a totally serviceable and totally replaceable outside linebacker. He could be a good addition for another team but he burned his bridges with these coaches and was making an outrageous sum of money. I never said he had nothing left, but if you think he is still in his prime then I respectfully believe you are mistaken.

[GWBlitzST]

I got here late, but I would just like to extend my thanks to Lavar for giving back some money and I wish him well. Hopefully he'll get to go to the Steelers or Chargers or somewhere he'll be somewhat happy. I am really glad we got that cap space, now that seems like a great move.

[akhhorus]

Well, you think wrong. LaVar himself took responsiblity for some of the things that he said. so that road was traveled months ago. Now, show me what exactly did I say that he deserves.

I'm not saying that you said this or that. I'm talking about Lavar's behavior. And please show me where Lavar "took responsibility" for some of the things he said(which is funny that he's only take responsibility for "some" of what he said). I remember he said he wanted to stay after the 2nd Tampa Bay game, but I remember him only mumbling something on the THompson Show about how he was taken out of context or was too emotional. Thats far from manning up and taking responsibility.

Never said that he was excused from that either. Try again.

Then why bring your anecdote up? You have a point: to say that the coaches were provoking Lavar just to provoke/irritate Lavar and this is his "suffering" from the 05 season and because of this, for some reason, Lavar deserves some understanding from us. If this is true, then what provoked Lavar's rant in the preseason?

Right, because that game doesn't count as none of the others that he played in where he clearly was better then Holdman. Again, believe what you will.

He did play well in that game, but the theory that Holdman is responsible for the long runs in early season-and QED he's disaster of a OLB-is hollow since we gave up big runs with Lavar in the lineup. Holdman sucks. But, he's cheap. Lavar isn't much better.

And I will believe what I saw. You can believe what you saw also.

[ryflan47]

I'm pissed at the front office.
AWFUL AWFUL AWFUL.

[The 6th Dirtbag]

I'm pissed at the front office.
AWFUL AWFUL AWFUL.


Big time. I wonder who will sign him. Texans maybe?

[akhhorus]

How is that ridiculous? I think it proves my point pretty well.

So, if in this fantasy draft of yours, someone takes Patrick Ramsey ahead of Daunte Culepepper, Ramsey is a better player? It assumes that every GM in the NFL makes smart decisions, especially when drafting players. If you had the same person drafting for each team, it would be a good example.

[The 6th Dirtbag]

I am so distraught that this happened. I seriously think my love for the Redskins went from 100 to 94. I am really upset.

[ryflan47]

Big time. I wonder who will sign him. Texans maybe?
At least trade him and get something in return.... I mean come on.

[MoeRedskins]

Ok, when did I ever say he had nothing left? I didn't, I said he was past his prime, and that is completely obvious. How many tackles LA had in a game compared to Warrick Holdman doesn't mean much to me, because Warrick Holdman totally sucks. Lavar was once the premiere linebacker in the NFL, but now we're judging his worth based on the fact that he's better than Warrick Holdman?

I said Lavar is past his prime and he is. He does not possess the once freakish athleticism that he used to become a once dominant player. If the best theory you have for why Lavar's production was so down (by his own standards) last year is that his coaches held him back for no reason other than they are "stubborn" then I can't really say anything other than that doesn't make sense. I fail to grasp how telling someone not to freelance on the field is robbing him of his athletic ability. It isn't.

And to blame our overall blitzing doesn't make much sense either. Marcus Washington had 7.5 sacks last year. Lavar had ZERO. The common response is Lavar was blitzed far less than Washington, and even Marshall and Clemons, which is true, because whenever he was blitzed he was handled easily. Maybe some don't buy it but to me that makes some sense.

What Lavar is right now is a totally serviceable and totally replaceable outside linebacker. He could be a good addition for another team but he burned his bridges with these coaches and was making an outrageous sum of money. I never said he had nothing left, but if you think he is still in his prime then I respectfully believe you are mistaken.


This is an agruement that will only be settled over time, and my fondess of Lavar could possibly does skew my view on things, but I think Lavar will still show what he has got more left in the tank then many believe. If he doesn't and totally flops, I'll acknowledge it publically acknowledge it and buy you a beer. Whether or not he blitzed well is one thing, but I saw enough flashes in the pan last year to start a pretty wild fire, its just gotta catch on somewhere.

[redskin_rich]

At least trade him and get something in return.... I mean come on.
The Skins got 4 Mil off the cap hit, they wouldn't have gotten that with a trade and nobody would be dumb enough to pick up his bloated contract anyways.

[helimech24]

Ok, when did I ever say he had nothing left? I didn't, I said he was past his prime, and that is completely obvious. How many tackles LA had in a game compared to Warrick Holdman doesn't mean much to me, because Warrick Holdman totally sucks. Lavar was once the premiere linebacker in the NFL, but now we're judging his worth based on the fact that he's better than Warrick Holdman?

I said Lavar is past his prime and he is. He does not possess the once freakish athleticism that he used to become a once dominant player. If the best theory you have for why Lavar's production was so down (by his own standards) last year is that his coaches held him back for no reason other than they are "stubborn" then I can't really say anything other than that doesn't make sense. I fail to grasp how telling someone not to freelance on the field is robbing him of his athletic ability. It isn't.

And to blame our overall blitzing doesn't make much sense either. Marcus Washington had 7.5 sacks last year. Lavar had ZERO. The common response is Lavar was blitzed far less than Washington, and even Marshall and Clemons, which is true, because whenever he was blitzed he was handled easily. Maybe some don't buy it but to me that makes some sense.

What Lavar is right now is a totally serviceable and totally replaceable outside linebacker. He could be a good addition for another team but he burned his bridges with these coaches and was making an outrageous sum of money. I never said he had nothing left, but if you think he is still in his prime then I respectfully believe you are mistaken.
:goodpost: , I also believe it is the fact that he was going to cost 12 million for being a little bit better than Holdman that put the nail in the coffin. He had to many negatives to keep him.

-not as good as before the injury
-been riding a 1year injury excuse for 2 years
-12 million in cost (6 mil signing bonus)
-Not getting along with coaches
-talked against the coaches in public
-2 down WLB
-can't pass rush
-not as fit coming into the season

[whitskins]

At least trade him and get something in return.... I mean come on.

No because if we traded him for a mid-low round draft pick we wouldn't get the 4 million in IMMEDIATE cap savings that we got from the buyout. Also, that is assuming that there is a team out there who wants to pay Lavar 12 mil a season after the past two years he's had, which were injury plagued and average. I really doubt there was a big market for that.

Also, the 4 mil in savings we get this year is more valuable than a mid round draft pick would have been, assuming a trade was even an option which is a huge assumption in and of itself.

[ryflan47]

No because if we traded him for a mid-low round draft pick we wouldn't get the 4 million in IMMEDIATE cap savings that we got from the buyout. Also, that is assuming that there is a team out there who wants to pay Lavar 12 mil a season after the past two years he's had, which were injury plagued and average. I really doubt there was a big market for that.

Also, the 4 mil in savings we get this year is more valuable than a mid round draft pick would have been, assuming a trade was even an option which is a huge assumption in and of itself.
I know this is cliche, but every draft pick could be the next superstar...
Will someone comfort me that he won't go to the Giants or Girls?

[HAWGZHEAD]

If he doesn't and totally flops, I'll acknowledge it publically acknowledge it and buy you a beer. I don't think he is saying that Arrington will flop or suck, just that he isn't the superstar he once was or that some of us still hold him up to be.

[The 6th Dirtbag]

So, if in this fantasy draft of yours, someone takes Patrick Ramsey ahead of Daunte Culepepper, Ramsey is a better player? It assumes that every GM in the NFL makes smart decisions, especially when drafting players. If you had the same person drafting for each team, it would be a good example.


First of all if any GM took Ramsey with Culpepper still on the board he would be fired. Second, it doesn't assume that they would all have to make smart decisions, just that none could make any herrendous ones. Seriously, I just cannot imagine ANY GM wanting L.M. over L.A. Can anyone else reading this thread support what akhhorus is staing? I would really like to hear someone else defend this. (that L.M. is a "much better" player than L.A.)

[HAWGZHEAD]

Will someone comfort me that he won't go to the Giants or Girls?Well he did say he wants to stay in the NFC east...

[The 6th Dirtbag]

he is from PA, maybe philly or Pitt

[HAWGZHEAD]

First of all if any GM took Ramsey with Culpepper still on the board he would be fired. Second, it doesn't assume that they would all have to make smart decisions, just that none could make any herrendous ones. Seriously, I just cannot imagine ANY GM wanting L.M. over L.A. Can anyone else reading this thread support what akhhorus is staing? I would really like to hear someone else defend this. (that L.M. is a "much better" player than L.A.)I could see plenty of GM's taking Marshall over LaVar. He doesn't fit into alot of defensive schemes with his style of play. I don't think he would play well in a 3-4 which is the last hope I have of him not going to the girls.

[akhhorus]

First of all if any GM took Ramsey with Culpepper still on the board he would be fired. Second, it doesn't assume that they would all have to make smart decisions, just that none could make any herrendous ones.

Lemar over Lavar isn't a horrendous decision. Its a smart one. Taking Arrington over any of a couple dozen other Lbs is a stupid one.

Seriously, I just cannot imagine ANY GM wanting L.M. over L.A. Can anyone else reading this thread support what akhhorus is staing? I would really like to hear someone else defend this.

I know ConradCountry is 100% with me on this one. And I can't imagine any GM wanted Lavar over Marshall. Ive been looking at what other teams fan boards have been saying on this, and to a team, they all think he's overrated and finished(except the Tampa fans, who think he's on steroids and except for a couple Jets fans who think he's still the next LT).

[rskinsfan10]

I'm not saying that you said this or that. I'm talking about Lavar's behavior. And please show me where Lavar "took responsibility" for some of the things he said(which is funny that he's only take responsibility for "some" of what he said). I remember he said he wanted to stay after the 2nd Tampa Bay game, but I remember him only mumbling something on the THompson Show about how he was taken out of context or was too emotional. Thats far from manning up and taking responsibility.You would need to contact WTEM and ask them for every transcript from the JT Show. He mentioned that some of the things that he said about the staff, he shouldn't have said. I used the term "some" because he was only apologetic for some of what he said



Then why bring your anecdote up? You have a point: to say that the coaches were provoking Lavar just to provoke/irritate Lavar and this is his "suffering" from the 05 season and because of this, for some reason, Lavar deserves some understanding from us. If this is true, then what provoked Lavar's rant in the preseason? I brought it up because you seemed to be giving the impression that LaVar should have been walking around here filled with glee after all of this went down this past season.



He did play well in that game, but the theory that Holdman is responsible for the long runs in early season-and QED he's disaster of a OLB-is hollow since we gave up big runs with Lavar in the lineup. Holdman sucks. But, he's cheap. Lavar isn't much better.

And I will believe what I saw. You can believe what you saw also.When the replays clearly show that Holdman was clearly out of position on a couple of those long runs, then to follow that up with lackluster efforts to get to the ball carrier on others, along with what I personally saw from him when I isolated him during home games whereas I didn't have to relay on a TV angle, then yeah, I'll go along with what I myself saw.

[HAWGZHEAD]

Lemar over Lavar isn't a horrendous decision. Its a smart one. Taking Arrington over any of a couple dozen other Lbs is a stupid one.



I know ConradCountry is 100% with me on this one. And I can't imagine any GM wanted Lavar over Marshall. Ive been looking at what other teams fan boards have been saying on this, and to a team, they all think he's overrated and finished(except the Tampa fans, who think he's on steroids).Agreed, the boards of teams I have been on today say most of them want nothing to do with LaVar, and he doesn't fit their team.

[The 6th Dirtbag]

I could see plenty of GM's taking Marshall over LaVar. He doesn't fit into alot of defensive schemes with his style of play. I don't think he would play well in a 3-4 which is the last hope I have of him not going to the girls.

Okay, true about the 3-4 scheme and stuff, but the question was can anyone support the claim that L.M. is a "much better" player than LaVar? Being picked for scheme is a good point, but it does not address him being a better player than L.A. Would any GM take him purely for skill reasons? NO.

[MoeRedskins]

I can't buy that because Williams(and Gibbs) are ultra competative and would do basically anything and play anyone to win. If Lavar was so much better on the field than Holdman or Clemons, he would have been on the field. I can believe that they were sick of Lavar's crap off the field, but I can't believe that they would bench Lavar just to spite him. The irony of this theory is that Lavar played the most during the midseason tailspin the skins did and he went down with a thigh injury against St Louis and didn't play much until the 2nd philly game and we won.


I think Williams knew he could do well without him, he proved his could in 2004. I mean why bench him the first six (I believe it was six) games of the year for Warrick Holdman? A screen door does better against the wind then Holdman does against the run. I don't recall how much L.A. played during the final strech, but he was huge in the TB game. Plus during the tailspin the offense was nowhere near as effective as toward the end of the year. Many excuses can be made for how the team performed with and w/o L.A., but I think the coaches thought they had enough talent to win without him, so it wasn't like they were cutting off the nose to spite the face.

[whitskins]

First of all if any GM took Ramsey with Culpepper still on the board he would be fired. Second, it doesn't assume that they would all have to make smart decisions, just that none could make any herrendous ones. Seriously, I just cannot imagine ANY GM wanting L.M. over L.A. Can anyone else reading this thread support what akhhorus is staing? I would really like to hear someone else defend this. (that L.M. is a "much better" player than L.A.)

I know who had the better season last year (by far) and it was Lemar Marshall. I also know who played for a very reasonable and affordable salary, and that was Marshall as well.

As for who is simply better, who cares, this is football in the real world, not a video game. There are way too many factors to go on than simple ability, and Marshall may still have Lavar beat on ability at this point in their careers. Marshall was extremely productive for this team last year, perhaps the most underrated player on the team.

[RichardBradley]

he has been the most overated player in the league... We won pone playoff game with him in 5 years if we cant do better without him than we should rehire Steve spurrier

[hail2skins]

I can't believe that some of you are surprised at the fact he wants to go to NFC East team. His words were something to the affect that he has something to prove. He talked about his relationship with his position coach and said it was both sides. He didn't care for him and vice versa. He said him and Williams go along good. Arrington wasn't on the field early in the season because he was still injured. Gibbs said it today and Arrington alluded to it in his interview today. Toward the end of the season he was doing well in the system IMO no matter what the numbers say. The system we have doesn't take advantage of his strengths and as he said today, sometime you have to cut your losses. Arrington's departure has nothing to do with his performance. Nothing at all. It is the business side of football that is the reason he's gone. If he had stayed, his contract situation would have gotten worse. Both sides agreed that is was best to part ways and it's a win for both sides. Arrington gets in the FA market early and the Skins get cap relief. All of this talk about him not being able to play anymore is pure bull, he's on 27. Is Marshall better than Arrington? I don't believe so but maybe he fits our system better. Who knows what Arrington would do if he didn't get injured in 2004. If teams had to pick between the two, I wonder who they would take. My guess is the majority would take Arrington.

Say what you want but he has to be replaced and that will be difficult. I don't believe his replacement is on this roster right now. I just don't.

[monkr]

glad he's gone.
too much $ ,little production.
more trouble than he's worth

[HAWGZHEAD]

Would any GM take him purely for skill reasons? NO.You don't know that one way or the other so the arguement is invalid.

[hail2skins]

Agreed, the boards of teams I have been on today say most of them want nothing to do with LaVar, and he doesn't fit their team.Those are the fans, what do the coaches think is the question.

[The 6th Dirtbag]

I know who had the better season last year (by far) and it was Lemar Marshall. I also know who played for a very reasonable and affordable salary, and that was Marshall as well.

As for who is simply better, who cares, this is football in the real world, not a video game. There are way too many factors to go on than simple ability, and Marshall may still have Lavar beat on ability at this point in their careers. Marshall was extremely productive for this team last year, perhaps the most underrated player on the team.

Okay, but again, the point here is: Akhhorus said that "L.M. is a much better player than L.A." This is not true. If you read my previous posts (which is annoying, I know) you will see that I admit that, of course, L.M. had a bettr season (more playing time), but is he a "much better player"? No.

[RedskinsDave]

glad he's gone.
too much $ ,little production.
more trouble than he's worth

Well, in Lavar's defense the team gave him the money. He did not ask for it. When it comes to the contract I blame the front office. My boss offers me a raise I'm not saying no.

[HAWGZHEAD]

Those are the fans, what do the coaches think is the question.I don't know. I am really interested to see where he goes.

[helimech24]

First of all if any GM took Ramsey with Culpepper still on the board he would be fired. Second, it doesn't assume that they would all have to make smart decisions, just that none could make any herrendous ones. Seriously, I just cannot imagine ANY GM wanting L.M. over L.A. Can anyone else reading this thread support what akhhorus is staing? I would really like to hear someone else defend this. (that L.M. is a "much better" player than L.A.)I totally argree with AKH about this. Look how fast Pierce was picked up by the Giants last year when he turned down the Redskins offer. GW knows how to coach LBs and make them superstars. Lemar was a beast that really tightened up in the second half with his play. Lavar proved this year that he can't rush the QB with success. He was also carrying a 12 million dollar pricetag for a team to take. If you really want to compare Lemar and Lavar. You will have to bring up '04 Lemar the beast on the Weakside, and Lavar of '05. I would absolutely take Lemar as the WLB from '04 over '05 Levar.

[whitskins]

Okay, but again, the point here is: Akhhorus said that "L.M. is a much better player than L.A." This is not true. If you read my previous posts (which is annoying, I know) you will see that I admit that, of course, L.M. had a bettr season (more playing time), but is he a "much better player"? No.

Ok, Arrington is the better player but Marshall had the much better season because he got more playing time, despite the fact that Arrington is actually the much better player. This makes no logical sense whatsoever but it is apparently helping ease some of the pain, so go with it I guess.

[akhhorus]

You would need to contact WTEM and ask them for every transcript from the JT Show. He mentioned that some of the things that he said about the staff, he shouldn't have said. I used the term "some" because he was only apologetic for some of what he said

"Some"...classy of Lavar.

I brought it up because you seemed to be giving the impression that LaVar should have been walking around here filled with glee after all of this went down this past season.

Then you mistook my opinion. I didn't think or say that Lavar should be happy about how 05 went down. Lavar had a tough season on the field and off of it, but Lavar is to blame for his play on it. I'm not going to get in what was going on off of it because both sides are to blame and you know more about what was going on on the sidelines. But, Lavar has no one else to blame if he does little on the field and when the Skins dominate defensively with him on the sidelines and playing part time. And Lavar signed that massive contract and has to live up to it, or he knows what the consequence would be and what they were.

When the replays clearly show that Holdman was clearly out of position on a couple of those long runs, then to follow that up with lackluster efforts to get to the ball carrier on others, along with what I personally saw from him when I isolated him during home games whereas I didn't have to relay on a TV angle, then yeah, I'll go along with what I myself saw.

Do you ever want to get into a discussion about Lavar and how he gets out of position and bites on fakes? Both of them are subpar/bad OLBs. The difference being that Holdman makes about 10% of what Lavar makes.

[akhhorus]

Is Marshall better than Arrington? I don't believe so but maybe he fits our system better. Who knows what Arrington would do if he didn't get injured in 2004. If teams had to pick between the two, I wonder who they would take. My guess is the majority would take Arrington.

Thats the tragedy of Lavar with Gibbs/Williams. Wiliams' system is perfect for Lavar if he would just play with some discipline but he chafed with the demands of GW.

[The 6th Dirtbag]

having one better season strictly because of playing time is not a good enough reason FOR ME PERSONALLY(obviously for some of you having one season in which he had like 6 or 7 more games of playing time more is good enough) If LaVar didn't get benched (for reasons most of us will never really know--and please don't act like you know unless you work for the Redskins--) than it is safe to assume he would have played well.


HE HAD THE BEST GAME OF HIS PRO CAREER IN OUR ONLY PLAYOFF WIN IN LIKE A DECADE AGAINST TB---1INT, 1 SACK, like 10 TCKLS. Hey, if that isn't good, what is?

ANd, yes I know he didn't play that way every game he appeared in, but L.M. didn't show up every game either.

[akhhorus]

Agreed, the boards of teams I have been on today say most of them want nothing to do with LaVar, and he doesn't fit their team.

That tells me a lot. We have our homer biases on our players, but when a big name like Lavar is out there, no other fans really want him on their team; that tells me a lot on how much Lavar has in him.

[hail2skins]

Thats the tragedy of Lavar with Gibbs/Williams. Wiliams' system is perfect for Lavar if he would just play with some discipline but he chafed with the demands of GW.I disagree. How is it perfect if you're not utilizing his strengths. Now, the first season with GW was the perfect system for Arrington. Not what we saw last year IMO.

[smoak]

I totally argree with AKH about this. Look how fast Pierce was picked up by the Giants last year when he turned down the Redskins offer. GW knows how to coach LBs and make them superstars. Lemar was a beast that really tightened up in the second half with his play. Lavar proved this year that he can't rush the QB with success. He was also carrying a 12 million dollar pricetag for a team to take. If you really want to compare Lemar and Lavar. You will have to bring up '04 Lemar the beast on the Weakside, and Lavar of '05. I would absolutely take Lemar as the WLB from '04 over '05 Levar.

1) Pierce played well in NY.
2) I agree it will be nice to have LaVar's contract off the books.
3) Throw money out and I'd take LaVar over Lemar every day of the week and twice on game days.
4) LaVar didn't have the opportunities to rush the QB this season as he did in the past. He was used a run stopper and taken out of the game on third and passing downs.
5) LaVar wasn't used as a pass rusher under Marty and yet he still was a game changer on a good defense. In fact, while LA was here, with the exception of the George Edwards year, I think all our defenses were good.

[akhhorus]

having one better season strictly because of playing time is not a good enough reason FOR ME PERSONALLY(obviously for some of you having one season in which he had like 6 or 7 more games of playing time more is good enough) If LaVar didn't get benched (for reasons most of us will never really know--and please don't act like you know unless you work for the Redskins--) than it is safe to assume he would have played well.


HE HAD THE BEST GAME OF HIS PRO CAREER IN OUR ONLY PLAYOFF WIN IN LIKE A DECADE AGAINST TB---1INT, 1 SACK, like 10 TCKLS. Hey, if that isn't good, what is?

ANd, yes I know he didn't play that way every game he appeared in, but L.M. didn't show up every game either.

He didn't have a sack in that game. The NFL website credits him with that on his player page, but not in the game stats. And Lavar's had better games than the wild card game.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

I could see plenty of GM's taking Marshall over LaVar. He doesn't fit into alot of defensive schemes with his style of play. I don't think he would play well in a 3-4 which is the last hope I have of him not going to the girls.

I think just about every GM in the Nfl would take Marshall with his current contract over LaVar with the contract he had up until yesterday.
Besides any personal problem he might have had with the coaches or any injury, I think it's impossible to analize LaVar's situation without taking into account his ridiculous contract. THAT is what really caused this whole situation. The minute that contract was signed there were 2 options: either he stayed completely injury free and played like the reincarnation of Lawrence Taylor or he had to go..there was no way around it, especially if it's true that he refused to renegotiate...

[HAWGZHEAD]

That tells me a lot. We have our homer biases on our players, but when a big name like Lavar is out there, no other fans really want him on their team; that tells me a lot on how much Lavar has in him.I was shocked. While there were a few that said they would love to have him most said they wouldn't touch him with a ten foot pole. I expected mouths to be drooling and them making fun of us for losing one of our franchise players, but most of the discussion was about how they didn't want him. I am not backing their beliefs but it certainly caught me off gaurd.

[The Skinsinator]

Agreed, the boards of teams I have been on today say most of them want nothing to do with LaVar, and he doesn't fit their team.That could have factored in somewhat. The cap hit for him was ridiculous. That other 4 million (whatever the cap is) will be very helpful this year and especially the years to come.

[smoak]

That tells me a lot. We have our homer biases on our players, but when a big name like Lavar is out there, no other fans really want him on their team; that tells me a lot on how much Lavar has in him.

The only certainty I know is that as a collective group, fans are morons. Generally speaking, a GM could do worse than doing the OPPOSITE of what fans want on a % of decisions.

[akhhorus]

4) LaVar didn't have the opportunities to rush the QB this season as he did in the past. He was used a run stopper and taken out of the game on third and passing downs.

Im disagree with this partially. Lavar was blitzed a lot in the middle of the season, but he would be easily blocked out of the play. I remember Spence ripping Lavar for this several times when he would waddle into the offensive backfield and get blocked out by a RB.

[rskinsfan10]

"Some"...classy of Lavar. What is unclassy about it? Just because he didn't beg for total forgiveness for everything that he said? There were some things that he felt that he didn't need to apologize for, and that's his right. Nothing unclassy about that at all. That's his prerogative.

Do you ever want to get into a discussion about Lavar and how he gets out of position and bites on fakes? Both of them are subpar/bad OLBs. The difference being that Holdman makes about 10% of what Lavar makes.That's fine, and I'll also add my comments about how many times Thug Love #21 bites on fakes and is out of position as well.

[akhhorus]

The only certainty I know is that as a collective group, fans are morons. Generally speaking, a GM could do worse than doing the OPPOSITE of what fans want on a % of decisions.

Perhaps, but when everyone wants nothing to do with Lavar, that tells me a lot. Even teams that need help across the board like Cleveland and Green Bay.

[The 6th Dirtbag]

Ok, Arrington is the better player but Marshall had the much better season because he got more playing time, despite the fact that Arrington is actually the much better player. This makes no logical sense whatsoever but it is apparently helping ease some of the pain, so go with it I guess.


Well, if you factor in the fact that he was rehabbing a knee AND(more importantly) was having a "thing" with some/all of the D coaches, yeah I would say that does make sense. Look, L.M. simply is not as good of a player as L.A. L.M. is good and he appears to be getting better, but just isn't as good as L.A. What do you think Ray Lewis or Derrick Brooks or Marcus Washington or Zach Thomas would say if they were asked who is better? Of course I do not know what they would say, but think about it. I couldn't imagine any of them saying, "L.M. is (quoting akhhorus) 'a much better player than L.A.' " Just don't see it, man.

[HAWGZHEAD]

Thug Love #21 :lol1:

[MoeRedskins]

I don't think he is saying that Arrington will flop or suck, just that he isn't the superstar he once was or that some of us still hold him up to be.


I totally disagree, I think he says that Arrington sucks, and that my mother's ugly.

Now, if you will excuse me, work is over for the day. I am going to drown my sorrows while wearing my Arrington Jersey, probably for the last time.

[akhhorus]

What is unclassy about it? Just because he didn't beg for total forgiveness for everything that he said? There were some things that he felt that he didn't need to apologize for, and that's his right. Nothing unclassy about that at all. That's his prerogative.

Oh C'mon. If Lavar is apologizing for only "some" of his comments, thats awful. So, he regrets some of the times he ripped the coaches, but the rest of the times he doesn't? Thats his right to do it, but that doesn't mitigate or forgive Lavar for his ripping the coaches in the first place.

That's fine, and I'll also add my comments about how many times Thug Love #21 bites on fakes and is out of position as well.

And he does, Dallas has run the flea flicker and hard PA against him with some success. Wilbon had a great column about him where he quoted an vet NFL qb who said that Taylor can be fooled on certain fakes, but is tough otherwise. PK quoted Hasselback saying similar things.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Perhaps, but when everyone wants nothing to do with Lavar, that tells me a lot. Even teams that need help across the board like Cleveland and Green Bay.

What will be REALLY interesting now will be where LaVar ends up and most of all how much he is able to get contract-wise..I'm betting less than what he would have gotten he had he restructured (which if no CBA is reachied could be the situation with ALOT of players).

[akhhorus]

I totally disagree, I think he says that Arrington sucks, and that my mother's ugly.

Now, if you will excuse me, work is over for the day. I am going to drown my sorrows while wearing my Arrington Jersey, probably for the last time.

And I will still wear my Arrington Authetic jersey to watch every game since its my good luck jersey.

[The 6th Dirtbag]

What do you think Ray Lewis or Derrick Brooks or Marcus Washington or Zach Thomas would say if they were asked who is better? Of course I do not know what they would say, but think about it.

I couldn't imagine any of them saying, "L.M. is (quoting akhhorus) 'a much better player than L.A.' " Just don't see it, man. Do you?


I use these players because I assume they would know best who is better at their own positions (MLB and OLB)

[SpicyMcHaggis]

What do you think Ray Lewis or Derrick Brooks or Marcus Washington or Zach Thomas would say if they were asked who is better? Of course I do not know what they would say, but think about it.

I couldn't imagine any of them saying, "L.M. is (quoting akhhorus) 'a much better player than L.A.' " Just don't see it, man. Do you?

Probably not, but with L.A.'s money you can pay 3 pro-bowl caliber LB's with a bit less baggage...that is certainly better than LaVar by himself...

[HAWGZHEAD]

What do you think Ray Lewis or Derrick Brooks or Marcus Washington or Zach Thomas would say if they were asked who is better? Of course I do not know what they would say, but think about it.

I couldn't imagine any of them saying, "L.M. is (quoting akhhorus) 'a much better player than L.A.' " Just don't see it, man. Do you?They would say "We are all athletes and we all play the game the way we do" because that is how athletes answer questions ;). Give the "much better player" thing a rest this is like the 6th post you have used that in.

[akhhorus]

Well, if you factor in the fact that he was rehabbing a knee AND(more importantly) was having a "thing" with some/all of the D coaches, yeah I would say that does make sense.

Yeah, that 4-6 week knee injury thats taking a Congressional term to recover from....

Look, L.M. simply is not as good of a player as L.A. L.M. is good and he appears to be getting better, but just isn't as good as L.A. What do you think Ray Lewis or Derrick Brooks or Marcus Washington or Zach Thomas would say if they were asked who is better? Of course I do not know what they would say, but think about it. I couldn't imagine any of them saying, "L.M. is (quoting akhhorus) 'a much better player than L.A.' " Just don't see it, man.

The best part of this, its scientific.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

They would say "We are all athletes and we all play the game the way we do" because that is how athletes answer questions ;). Give the "much better player thing a rest this is like the 6th post you have used that in.

Actually they would say "the game of football" because for whatever reason all pro athletes inexplicably feel the need to specify which sport they play...

[Axegrinder]

Well....we lost a playmaker.
Remember his BIG playoff interception?
We can never have too many playmakers.

[skinfanjon]

What do you think Ray Lewis or Derrick Brooks or Marcus Washington or Zach Thomas would say if they were asked who is better? Of course I do not know what they would say, but think about it.

I couldn't imagine any of them saying, "L.M. is (quoting akhhorus) 'a much better player than L.A.' " Just don't see it, man. Do you?


I use these players because I assume they would know best who is better at their own positions (MLB and OLB)

I cant imagine anyone asking them the question. It's a mute point. They dont even currently play the same position. I wonder who is better, Steve Hutchinson or Kevin Mawae?

[HAWGZHEAD]

Actually they would say "the game of football" because for whatever reason all pro athletes inexplicably feel the need to specify which sport they play...True lol.

[akhhorus]

Well....we lost a playmaker.
Remember his BIG playoff interception?
We can never have too many playmakers.

I agree. But its not worth clogging up 13% of the cap for one BIG play a year.

[The 6th Dirtbag]

Hahahahaha, okay, okay I give up (not my position, just the argument).

Anyway, I am sad to see him leave. And by the way, we are still going to have to cut more starters to get under the cap...not to mention we still need to address WR#2 and DE. So, this is only the beginning of sorrows. I would rather have Chris Samuels go. (That might be the dumbest thing I have said, but taht is how much I love #56)

All this talk (on other threads) about T.O., who I have not decided on yet, but wish we would have gone after Randy a couple of years ago instead if we were gonna pursue T.O., is crazy if we are cutiing players like L.A. to free up $$$. What are we thinking?

[DoGood]

And I will still wear my Arrington Authetic jersey to watch every game since its my good luck jersey.

Sweet. We will ALWAYS see tons of LaVar jerseys at FedEx on game day because he was always a bright spot and fan favorite on the unsuccessful teams of old. He always gave us something to be proud of and optomistic.

[The Skinsinator]

I agree. But its not worth clogging up 13% of the cap for one BIG play a year.For the entire team. This is a team game and our success defensively is predicated upon Gregg Williams and his system and not Lavar Arrington. Lavar is a filthy rich man and can still go elsewhere to play. I will miss him and warmly welcome the players we get the next couple offseasons from that new cap money.

[DoGood]

Hahahahaha, okay, okay I give up (not my position, just the argument).

Anyway, I am sad to see him leave. And by the way, we are still going to have to cut more starters to get under the cap...not to mention we still need to address WR#2 and DE. So, this is only the beginning of sorrows. I would rather have Chris Samuels go. (That might be the dumbest thing I have said, but taht is how much I love #56)

All this talk (on other threads) about T.O., who I have not decided on yet, but wish we would have gone after Randy a couple of years ago instead if we were gonna pursue T.O., is crazy if we are cutiing players like L.A. to free up $$$. What are we thinking?

We have a such a strong group of linebackers that it made sense to "cut the fat" instead of weakening other areas of need like the offensive line.

[Axegrinder]

I agree. But its not worth clogging up 13% of the cap for one BIG play a year.
I wouldn't go that far,but we definitely couldn't afford to pay him that much money.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Hahahahaha, okay, okay I give up (not my position, just the argument).

Anyway, I am sad to see him leave. And by the way, we are still going to have to cut more starters to get under the cap...not to mention we still need to address WR#2 and DE. So, this is only the beginning of sorrows. I would rather have Chris Samuels go. (That might be the dumbest thing I have said, but taht is how much I love #56)

All this talk (on other threads) about T.O., who I have not decided on yet, but wish we would have gone after Randy a couple of years ago instead if we were gonna pursue T.O., is crazy if we are cutiing players like L.A. to free up $$$. What are we thinking?

Whoooahhh...you've gotta be kidding..
1)Which starters will we have to cut?
2)Samuels made the Pro-Bowl...
3)How can you be undecided on T.O.?????
I understand that you are sad to see him leave (I am too) but come on...

[akhhorus]

And by the way, we are still going to have to cut more starters to get under the cap...not to mention we still need to address WR#2 and DE.

No we won't. We're fine. Cutting Lavar was a great move cap wise.

So, this is only the beginning of sorrows. I would rather have Chris Samuels go. (That might be the dumbest thing I have said, but taht is how much I love #56)

Wow, you would rather have the multiple pro bowler coming off a very good season(pro bowl season) get cut than Lavar? Just...wow. Should we cut Portis for Betts and Nemo also? Maybe we should dump Moss also so that Taylor Jacobs can get more PT.

[skinfanjon]

I agree. But its not worth clogging up 13% of the cap for one BIG play a year.

Not to mention a play that just fell in his lap. I'm not trying to discredit the play just because he was fortunate (which he was), because he still caught the ball and managed not to drop it, and he was in the right place at the right time. But it's not like he was locked up in man coverage and made an incredible leaping pick. The ball was tipped and it dropped into his zone of the defense that was called on that play. Furthermore, he fumbled the ball at the end of the play, but fortunately for us it was not reviewed and we scored on the next play.

[Fathead]

I wouldn't go that far,but we definitely couldn't afford to pay him that much money.


The cap # was the biggest issue. We could not afford to continue to pay Lavar that much. If he wanted to restructure, then he could have stayed.



Anyway, since Coach Gibbs signed off on this, I am for it.

[DoGood]

I am a bit saddened, but I am also SO relieved.

[HAWGZHEAD]

Maybe we should dump Moss also so that Taylor Jacobs can get more PT.Thank bejesus someone said it and not me first. Why haven't we done this yet? All the sparks he has shown on the practice field, come on move over Moss here comes something leaner.

[skinfanjon]

The cap # was the biggest issue. We could not afford to continue to pay Lavar that much. If he wanted to restructure, then he could have stayed.



Anyway, since Coach Gibbs signed off on this, I am for it.

This is the most important point of the whole situation. In Gibbs I trust, how about everyone else? Its always sad to have a fan favorite cut, and I'll miss seeing #56 in the B&G too. But it was time to part ways.

[DoGood]

[/B]

This is the most important point of the whole situation. In Gibbs I trust, how about everyone else? Its always sad to have a fan favorite cut, and I'll miss seeing #56 in the B&G too. But it was time to part ways.

Correct.

[The 6th Dirtbag]

Whoooahhh...you've gotta be kidding..
1)Which starters will we have to cut?
2)Samuels made the Pro-Bowl...
3)How can you be undecided on T.O.?????
I understand that you are sad to see him leave (I am too) but come on...


Okay, really quickly...

1.) I don't know, but we are still way above the cap (assuming no deal by Thursday)

2.) Yeah, I know. That is why I admitted it might have benn the dumbest thing I have said.

3.) I just don't see how Santana Moss will take having to be the #2. He just had his breakout year and now he might have to move over for a loudmouth? That might disrupt the locker room chemistry. I know T.O is amazing, but look how his last 2 coaches ended up dealing with him.

[skinfanjon]

Okay, really quickly...

1.) I don't know, but we are still way above the cap (assuming no deal by Thursday)

2.) Yeah, I know. That is why I admitted it might have benn the dumbest thing I have said.

3.) I just don't see how Santana Moss will take having to be the #2. He just had his breakout year and now he might have to move over for a loudmouth? That might disrupt the locker room chemistry. I know T.O is amazing, but look how his last 2 coaches ended up dealing with him.

He meant how you can you possibly even entertain the thought of bringing him in!

[HAWGZHEAD]

2.) Yeah, I know. That is why I admitted it might have benn the dumbest thing I have said.

There is a pool going.

[The 6th Dirtbag]

[/B]

He meant how you can you possibly even entertain the thought of bringing him in!


Oh. Yeah, I doubt I will ever want him, but a ring would be nice.

[The 6th Dirtbag]

There is a pool going.


Hahahahahaha. Good one.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Okay, really quickly...

1.) I don't know, but we are still way above the cap (assuming no deal by Thursday)

2.) Yeah, I know. That is why I admitted it might have benn the dumbest thing I have said.

3.) I just don't see how Santana Moss will take having to be the #2. He just had his breakout year and now he might have to move over for a loudmouth? That might disrupt the locker room chemistry. I know T.O is amazing, but look how his last 2 coaches ended up dealing with him.

1)Apparently 11 players restructured, so we will probably be well under the cap.
2)All right..
3)I think you misunderstood me...I wouldn't want TO on the Skins even if he was willing to pay me personally for it...I would rather have Westbrook and Coles as our WRs next year...

[HAWGZHEAD]

Hahahahahaha. Good one.LOL, just messin with ya.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

[/B]

He meant how you can you possibly even entertain the thought of bringing him in!

Exactly

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Oh. Yeah, I doubt I will ever want him, but a ring would be nice.

How many rings does TO have?

[skinfanjon]

1)Apparently 11 players restructured, so we will probably be well under the cap.
2)All right..
3)I think you misunderstood me...I wouldn't want TO on the Skins even if he was willing to pay me personally for it...I would rather have Westbrook and Coles as our WRs next year...


As insane as that idea is (I just threw up in my mouth a little bit), I agree whole heartedly. I would rather Steve Spurrier line up at WR for us.

[HAWGZHEAD]

How many rings does TO have?He'd have 2 rings around his eyes if him and Taylor were in the same lockerroom.

[rskinsfan10]

Some of you pissed on him for not wanting to restructure, according to the AP, but the Post has a different version:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/06/AR2006030601071.html

Arrington, who had renegotiated with the Redskins several times before and contends a $6.5 million bonus was omitted from the contract he signed in December 2003, was willing to agree to a restructuring very similar to what other teammates had agreed to, but wanted his redone contract to be valid regardless of the CBA situation, according to sources with direct knowledge of the conversations. They contend that Arrington offered to undertake the same restructuring process cornerback Shawn Springs agreed to, with more future payments guaranteed up front and the player eligible for free agency after the 2007 season. The Redskins would accept that offer only with the contingency that a CBA extension voids the contract, according to the source.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

[/B]

As insane as that idea is (I just threw up in my mouth a little bit), I agree whole heartedly. I would rather Steve Spurrier line up at WR for us.

Hey we would finally have our three receiver set!!

[The 6th Dirtbag]

I don't even want to start defending T.O. because I don't even like him, but I meant that for all the crap he put the Eagles through he also put them through the NFC Championship hump they never could get over without him. Again, I don't feel comfortable defending T.O., so I won't address my comment beyond this. I don't like the guy.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

He'd have 2 rings around his eyes if him and Taylor were in the same lockerroom.

I would pay to see this happen...

[skinfanjon]

Hey we would finally have our three receiver set!!

While were at....BRING BACK WUERFFEL!! I miss "the glove"!

[skinfanjon]

Some of you pissed on him for not wanting to restructure, according to the AP, but the Post has a different version:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/06/AR2006030601071.html

Sounds to me like the Skins really just wanted to wash their hands of him.

[IMALILTEAPOT]

lavar said on the john thompson show that he wants to play for a team in the nfc east. he said he doesnt want to be a cowboy, but he wants to be able to go to dc at least once a season cuz he still loves it here. which i dont understand, cuz if he went to a nfc east team, everyone would probably turn on him.

[DoGood]

lavar said on the john thompson show that he wants to play for a team in the nfc east. he said he doesnt want to be a cowboy, but he wants to be able to go to dc at least once a season cuz he still loves it here. which i dont understand, cuz if he went to a nfc east team, everyone would probably turn on him.

Being a iggle or a giant is not a drastic improvement over being a cowgirl...

[CowboyKilla]

When HEALTHY, LA is gamechanger.
For us he wasn't healthy for most of the last two years, so he wasn't nearly as effective even when he did play... outside of "flashes".
During that time the relationship soured. Both sides could take some blame.
He wasn't going to play for us at 12 mill per so, sae la vie.
I wish him the best, hope to god he doesn't play in the nfc east.
We move on, and continue our Takeover.

[skinfanjon]

lavar said on the john thompson show that he wants to play for a team in the nfc east. he said he doesnt want to be a cowboy, but he wants to be able to go to dc at least once a season cuz he still loves it here. which i dont understand, cuz if he went to a nfc east team, everyone would probably turn on him.

Hello...Philly. He's gonna look stupid in green.

[IMALILTEAPOT]

Being a iggle or a giant is not a drastic improvement over being a cowgirl...exactly. i will root for lavar real hard next year, but if he goes to a nfc east team, i think all of us lavar fans will find it hard to root for him. i dont understand lavar. i know he honestly loves the dc area, and the fans, yet he doesnt want to be here. i dont know how bad it was with the coaches, but to make "mr. redskin" want to give money to get out of here is weird. i just want lavar to know that wherever he goes, those fans arent gonna appreciate him as much as we did. he mite get more playing time, and maybe more wins, but hes not gonna be as loved as he is here.

[IMALILTEAPOT]

Hello...Philly. He's gonna look stupid in green.i dont think that will happen cuz trotter and lavar didnt really get along. trotter even told the press that lavar was undisciplined. that leaves NY, and i dont know if lavar would wanna be with coughlin. san diego is the best fit, but thats allll the way on the other side of the country. thats a big change for lavar, and he still wants to be local

[skinfanjon]

i dont think that will happen cuz trotter and lavar didnt really get along. trotter even told the press that lavar was undisciplined. that leaves NY, and i dont know if lavar would wanna be with coughlin. san diego is the best fit, but thats allll the way on the other side of the country. thats a big change for lavar, and he still wants to be local

Trotter has actually been pining for him recently in the media. Its strange, because I also thought they didn't get along, but never the less....I would post a link but i can't rememeber which site I saw it on. I think it was more than one.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

lavar said on the john thompson show that he wants to play for a team in the nfc east. he said he doesnt want to be a cowboy, but he wants to be able to go to dc at least once a season cuz he still loves it here. which i dont understand, cuz if he went to a nfc east team, everyone would probably turn on him.

The season is only 4 or 5 months long..he can live in DC the rest of the time without having to go to the Eagles or the Giants...I doubt anybody would still be a fan of his if he did so...I really do not understand his reasoning..if he loves us so much he should of said something like "I'll go to any team on the east coast just as long as it isn't in the NFC east because I love the Redskins and the fans and I want to be as close as possible without having actually to play against them twice a year"..or he could have said nothing at all...

[HAWGZHEAD]

Trotter has actually been pining for him recently in the media. Its strange, because I also thought they didn't get along, but never the less....I would post a link but i can't rememeber which site I saw it on. I think it was more than one.It is in this thread somewhere. I know what you are talking about.

[MoeRedskins]

And I will still wear my Arrington Authetic jersey to watch every game since its my good luck jersey.


I'll have to wait and see where he ends up signing with to continue to wear his jersey or not, but it is very comfortable.

[redskin_rich]

Dale Lindsay had some interesting comments just now on NBC4. I'm paraphrasing here but he basically said this is about 11 guys, not 1 and this is about making sacrifices for good of the team and not individual accomplishments. He said if somebody isn't willing to put aside their own interests for the good of the team, then they will find somebody who will.

[whitskins]

Dale Lindsay had some interesting comments just now on NBC4. I'm paraphrasing here but he basically said this is about 11 guys, not 1 and this is about making sacrifices for good of the team and not individual accomplishments. He said if somebody isn't willing to put aside their own interests for the good of the team, then they will find somebody who will.

These guys obviously just hated each other's guts.

[rskinsfan10]

Dale Lindsay had some interesting comments just now on NBC4. I'm paraphrasing here but he basically said this is about 11 guys, not 1 and this is about making sacrifices for good of the team and not individual accomplishments. He said if somebody isn't willing to put aside their own interests for the good of the team, then they will find somebody who will.This is the type of stuff that I'm talking about. Lindsey comes out and says this crap, which I did see for myself, and with it IMO he gives the impression that LaVar was the only player all year long that may have missed an assignment or didn't make a play. His arrogance is beyond ridiculous.

[rskinsfan10]

These guys obviously just hated each other's guts.From what I gathered, he took this as his one shining moment to take an unneccesary shot at LaVar. This following nothing but positive rhetoric from Gibbs and LaVar in regards to the other party all day.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

This is the type of stuff that I'm talking about. Lindsey comes out and says this crap, which I did see for myself, and with it IMO he gives the impression that LaVar was the only player all year long that may have missed an assignment or didn't make a play. His arrogance is beyond ridiculous.

Was he asked a direct question or did he just come out and make that statement?actually any way you look at it, even if it were true, it's completely useless..LaVar's gone, and there are about a million other things that the coaches (all of them) should be worrying about right now..

[HAWGZHEAD]

Dale Lindsay had some interesting comments just now on NBC4. I'm paraphrasing here but he basically said this is about 11 guys, not 1 and this is about making sacrifices for good of the team and not individual accomplishments. He said if somebody isn't willing to put aside their own interests for the good of the team, then they will find somebody who will.That sounds like the kind of stuff that can start a whole backlash in motion. He says that, Arrington fires back, and then all the fans have a bad taste in their mouth about the deal. That didn't need to be said, it has no use outside the walls of FedEx.

[skinfanjon]

That sounds like the kind of stuff that can start a whole backlash in motion. He says that, Arrington fires back, and then all the fans have a bad taste in their mouth about the deal. That didn't need to be said, it has no use outside the walls of FedEx.

Agree 100%. No need to drag this thing out. Lindsey needs to shut his yap.

[rskinsfan10]

Was he asked a direct question or did he just come out and make that statement?actually any way you look at it, even if it were true, it's completely useless..LaVar's gone, and there are about a million other things that the coaches (all of them) should be worrying about right now..He was asked a question in relation to LaVar saying that despite their feelings for each other, LaVar would expect Lindsey to say that rhetoric floating around that he wasn't coachable wasn't true. It was almot as if Lindsey had it in his mind that this was going to be his response to any LaVar related question, regardless of what it was.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

He was asked a question in relation to LaVar saying that despite their feelings for each other, LaVar would expect Lindsey to say that rhetoric floating around that he wasn't coachable wasn't true. It was almot as if Lindsey had it in his mind that this was going to be his response to any LaVar related question, regardless of what it was.

LaVar should just let it go..it's a useless comment which adds nothing nor changes anythingg..if LA wants to keep a good relationship with the Skins fans he should continue to have kind words for Gibbs and the whole organization..this way he would prove himself to be a classy individual...

[redskin_rich]

This is the type of stuff that I'm talking about. Lindsey comes out and says this crap, which I did see for myself, and with it IMO he gives the impression that LaVar was the only player all year long that may have missed an assignment or didn't make a play. His arrogance is beyond ridiculous.
I tend to agree, whatever has happened between LaVar and Lindsay should stay between them. It serves no purpose to make the kind of statements that Lindsay did, if anything it makes him look bad.
Furthermore, since LA is no longer a member of the team, there is absolutely no reason to trash him, even in a backhanded way. All that does is give him motivation to prove them wrong.

[syphy]

I for one am disappointed. I actually believed all of his "Redskin for life" BS. I respected the guy enough to wait until he had a deal with the NFLPA before buying a jersey with his name on it so he wouldn't be ripped off.

Well, I feel as a diehard Skins fan and *former* staunch Lavar supporter that I am the one who has been ripped off. I wonder if I sent him a letter along with that filthy rag of a jersey, if he'd give me $93 or so back. (replica jersey)

Piss off Lavar, I hope the next time you play at FedEx that you are booed back into the parking lot. I only hope that I can be there to add my voice to the cacophony.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

I for one am disappointed. I actually believed all of his "Redskin for life" BS. I respected the guy enough to wait until he had a deal with the NFLPA before buying a jersey with his name on it so he wouldn't be ripped off.

Well, I feel as a diehard Skins fan and *former* staunch Lavar supporter that I am the one who has been ripped off. I wonder if I sent him a letter along with that filthy rag of a jersey, if he'd give me $93 or so back. (replica jersey)

Piss off Lavar, I hope the next time you play at FedEx that you are booed back into the parking lot. I only hope that I can be there to add my voice to the cacophony.

That seems just a bit harsh...

[Biggie]

I for one am disappointed. I actually believed all of his "Redskin for life" BS. I respected the guy enough to wait until he had a deal with the NFLPA before buying a jersey with his name on it so he wouldn't be ripped off.

Well, I feel as a diehard Skins fan and *former* staunch Lavar supporter that I am the one who has been ripped off. I wonder if I sent him a letter along with that filthy rag of a jersey, if he'd give me $93 or so back. (replica jersey)

Piss off Lavar, I hope the next time you play at FedEx that you are booed back into the parking lot. I only hope that I can be there to add my voice to the cacophony.

Believe it or not, he did the Skins a bigger favor by leaving than he did at any point in the last two years. Thanks to him giving us some cap room back, we can now sign some necessary parts.

[Dept_of_Defense]

Believe it or not, he did the Skins a bigger favor by leaving than he did at any point in the last two years. Thanks to him giving us some cap room back, we can now sign some necessary parts.
Yeah, LaVar's gone, but his last act as a Redskin was for the team. I will always love LaVar.

[Smurf85]

Im not that happy he is gone.I wish he would not have been a jerk over the last year or so.With that being said now we need depth in our secondary, and maybe a safety depending on ST.We also need a DE and to add to that we need a LB.Thats just Defence, on Offence we need depth on the oline and 1 to 2 WRs.So that 4 million is not that great.All i have to say is that CBA better get done.If it does not i would expect Dallas and the Giants to take over lets face it they have money to spend.I already have heard that they are going to go crazy in FA.

[silverspring]

He costs us 8 million against the cap for 06, instrad of 12 million and costs us nothing in the future. His contract is completely off the books after 06.

We save 4.2 million this year and he is completely off our books for future years!

I believe his cap hit will be around 8 Mil this year and nothing in the future, he is clered off the books.

Thanks you guys. Crazy i didn't even know this was a possibility, i guess if we were going to drop him this seems to be the best approach.

Either way this is a bummer, what can you say.

[ShaggySkins]

He had to go. Just like Coles had to go after it became public he was unhappy. Arrington had blowups with his position coach and created some disruption in the locker room. He wasn't producing enough to warrent the distractions he created. I don't wish any ill will on him but I'm happy he is gone. Both the team and him need to go seperate directions. He didn't fit into this system where it was demanded for him to play disciplined football and he wasn't able to freelance.

Thats all I have to say about Lavar.

[X-Factor13]

i like the move. now we have 4 million, and possibly more depending on the new cap, dollars to go persue guys that we actually need

[ShaggySkins]

Yeah, LaVar's gone, but his last act as a Redskin was for the team. I will always love LaVar.

For the team???:rolleyes:

He negotiated his release so that he would have an oppurtunity to cash in on FA. If he hadn't negotiated he would have been released far later after much of the money from other teams had been spent.

I guess he was sueing the Skins for that supposid 6.5 million signing bonus for the team also right?

[HurricaneSkins]

I can't believe this thread is still going..LOL. I feel like the bottom line is everybody got what they wanted inside the Redskins orginization so that really is all that matters. Everybody happy makes for a better T-E-A-M, IMO. All I know is without this we definitely wouldn't be players in the free agent market and now we can be.

[hail2skins]

For the team???:rolleyes:

He negotiated his release so that he would have an oppurtunity to cash in on FA. If he hadn't negotiated he would have been released far later after much of the money from other teams had been spent.

I guess he was sueing the Skins for that supposid 6.5 million signing bonus for the team also right?They approached him and they gave him options. He chose one.

[RicFlairOne]

For the team???:rolleyes:

He negotiated his release so that he would have an oppurtunity to cash in on FA. If he hadn't negotiated he would have been released far later after much of the money from other teams had been spent.

I guess he was sueing the Skins for that supposid 6.5 million signing bonus for the team also right?

D of D: You will always 'love' Lavar - are you serious?? I knew that there would be tons of threads about this guy, but this worked out great for the Skins. Shaggy makes great points above too, but what about this summer when Lavar blasted organization and Gibbs. Can you imagine anyone from those Super Bowl teams doing that? Suing the team when his agents messed up? Crying and whining right before the Skins biggest game in 6 years (last regular season game). He had some great games and great moments, but as Husband points out in article on Redskins.com this move is best for Arrington / and Skins. I'm sure that Snyder and Gibbs are happy about the way this turned out.

[Biggie]

His contract is completely off the books after 06.

I smell good things to come.

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

D of D: You will always 'love' Lavar - are you serious?? I knew that there would be tons of threads about this guy, but this worked out great for the Skins. Shaggy makes great points above too, but what about this summer when Lavar blasted organization and Gibbs. Can you imagine anyone from those Super Bowl teams doing that? Suing the team when his agents messed up? Crying and whining right before the Skins biggest game in 6 years (last regular season game). He had some great games and great moments, but as Husband points out in article on Redskins.com this move is best for Arrington / and Skins. I'm sure that Snyder and Gibbs are happy about the way this turned out.
That and the fact that he has expressed strong interest of playing in the NFC East make me wonder about the love of LA towards the Redskins.

[redskin_rich]

That and the fact that he has expressed strong interest of playing in the NFC East make me wonder about the love of LA towards the Redskins.
Everybody wants to show up their past employer, lover, whatever. One-upmanship reigns supreme and the only sure way to execute this would be to go to a division rival, where there are 2 chances per year.

I could definitely see LaVar signing with the Eagles, they have a need at OLB and they have always been fond of poaching our players. Also LaVar could probably keep his house in Maryland that he just built a couple years ago, since Philly is only 2 hours away.

[Dept_of_Defense]

They approached him and they gave him options. He chose one.
Exactly, he chose to give the team money back rather than wait till June. This deal worked out for both the team and LaVar. I still say that LaVar thought about the team in his final days here.

[CapitalDefense]

Everybody wants to show up their past employer, lover, whatever. One-upmanship reigns supreme and the only sure way to execute this would be to go to a division rival, where there are 2 chances per year.

I could definitely see LaVar signing with the Eagles, they have a need at OLB and they have always been fond of poaching our players. Also LaVar could probably keep his house in Maryland that he just built a couple years ago, since Philly is only 2 hours away.
That would be great because Greg Williams knows Lavar, he knows Lavars weaknesses, I would imagine Greg could help the offensive staff during those 2 weeks.

Pitch it left boys, everyone knows he can't shed blockers. 310 pound LT Chris Samuels, 345 pound LG Derrick Dockery and a 270 pound FB named Sellers coming right at ya. Ask Mr. Dawkins about that experience....:lol1:

[Dept_of_Defense]

D of D: You will always 'love' Lavar - are you serious?? I knew that there would be tons of threads about this guy, but this worked out great for the Skins. Shaggy makes great points above too, but what about this summer when Lavar blasted organization and Gibbs. Can you imagine anyone from those Super Bowl teams doing that? Suing the team when his agents messed up? Crying and whining right before the Skins biggest game in 6 years (last regular season game). He had some great games and great moments, but as Husband points out in article on Redskins.com this move is best for Arrington / and Skins. I'm sure that Snyder and Gibbs are happy about the way this turned out.
I'm not doubting that this is the best move for the team and LaVar, I'm just saying that I will always remember what he did while he was here. Don't you remember all the horrible years we had from 2000-2004? LaVar was the one thing that gave us something to be excited about. He was our franchise player, someone that could intimidate other teams and a player that undeniably gave his all everytime he stepped on the field. He was San Diego's LT, Baltimore's Ray Lewis, etc....someone that you would picture when you thought about that team. You could never doubt how much he loved the fans and the city of Washington. That's how I will remember LaVar and that's how I hope he's remembered.

[helimech24]

I left this thread a couple of hours ago when the first one was just archieved. Man, everyone has been busy. I think the only team that Arrington would go to in the NFC east is NY. Philly is to tightwadded to pick him for the money, and he doesn't fit IMO in the 34 with the Cowgirls(not a good pass rusher now).

[santanadasavior]

Is it possible that the Skins would give him a smaller monetary offer in FA? I know that money was the main issue and he has said that he always wanted to be a Redskin. I'm just putting this out there because I still like the guy.

[HAWGZHEAD]

Is it possible that the Skins would give him a smaller monetary offer in FA? I know that money was the main issue and he has said that he always wanted to be a Redskin. I'm just putting this out there because I still like the guy.I don't think so after what Dale Lindsay had to say about him.

[redskin_rich]

I'm not doubting that this is the best move for the team and LaVar, I'm just saying that I will always remember what he did while he was here. Don't you remember all the horrible years we had from 2000-2004? LaVar was the one thing that gave us something to be excited about. He was our franchise player, someone that could intimidate other teams and a player that undeniably gave his all everytime he stepped on the field. You could never doubt how much he loved the fans and the city of Washington. That's how I will remember LaVar and that's how I hope he's remembered.
Good post and I totally agree. During those years that we stunk and the coaching staff changed constantly, LaVar was a player that I could brag about and enjoy watching every Sunday. Sitting in the stadium, I could always tell when LaVar made the tackle by how hard and fast the ball carrier went down. There is no doubt in my mind that during the '01 and '02 seasons, teams gameplanned around LA.

Unfortunately, he just didn't fit in with what the current staff is doing, he has missed a lot of time due to injuries and he had a burdensome contract, none of these factors are really his fault. I won't get into the media tirades but that is the only negatives that can be held against him, IMO.

Anyway, this is best for everybody and there is no reason for anybody to be upset.

[DoGood]

I for one am disappointed. I actually believed all of his "Redskin for life" BS. I respected the guy enough to wait until he had a deal with the NFLPA before buying a jersey with his name on it so he wouldn't be ripped off.

Well, I feel as a diehard Skins fan and *former* staunch Lavar supporter that I am the one who has been ripped off. I wonder if I sent him a letter along with that filthy rag of a jersey, if he'd give me $93 or so back. (replica jersey)

Piss off Lavar, I hope the next time you play at FedEx that you are booed back into the parking lot. I only hope that I can be there to add my voice to the cacophony.

What an awful thing to say about a guy that was always proud to be a Washington Redskin. I don't even want to look at this post anymore. LaVar left because it was in the best interests of both sides. And guess what, everyone else's cheers will drown out your sad and pitiful animosity towards a guy that did everything he could to make the Redskins a winner. Piss off.

[bgforever]

Originally Posted by The Jake
"The official told the AP that Arrington was the only Redskins player who refused to rework his deal. Arrington was disgruntled over playing time last season and no longer wished to play for the team."

This is a quote from the cnnsi.com story about LaVar, maybe this will dry some eyes crying for poor lavar


the ABOVE is just a sample of the ridiculous way misquotes, misprints and flat out lies have hurt our team with these knee jerk media writings. Granted we do comment and have blogs, they are NOT the same AUDIENCE that these AP and other "credentialed" writers have access to! In doing so, they misguide our own writings, when we follow their lead or believe them and they don't even have the dignity to come forward and apologize (most of them anyway).

LaVar DID NOT REFUSE TO REWORK his deal! He in fact is listed as the First person to rework, but also decided, to end the constant back and forth of indecision and avoid a worser mess possibly for both parties.

We would do well to rely on what DO KNOW as fact already and confirm it, when Redskins reps let us know. Its ok to speculate, all do it, but to sit there with AP credentials and not substantuate your weak story and create negative atmosphere LaVar alluded to, is totally tasteless and stupid. I realize when LaVar says "everybody" he is being emotional and means whoever wishes harm or hangs on to stupid stories like the one above.

The man wanted to stay, did what he had to do and we can go forward better, because of the unfortunate deal.

[LATrueRedskin]

I'm not doubting that this is the best move for the team and LaVar, I'm just saying that I will always remember what he did while he was here. Don't you remember all the horrible years we had from 2000-2004? LaVar was the one thing that gave us something to be excited about. He was our franchise player, someone that could intimidate other teams and a player that undeniably gave his all everytime he stepped on the field. He was San Diego's LT, Baltimore's Ray Lewis, etc....someone that you would picture when you thought about that team. You could never doubt how much he loved the fans and the city of Washington. That's how I will remember LaVar and that's how I hope he's remembered.

That's how I'll remember him for sure.

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

That's how I'll remember him for sure.
Hey LA, will you change your sn??

[santanadasavior]

That's how I'll remember him for sure.

It's rough for him to go out the way he did. I wish him the best of luck and it's going to be a little weird wearing that championship jersey next year and his name not being on the back.

[akhhorus]

Interesting postscript from PFT:

ARRINGTON TURNED DOWN $6.5 MILLION

A reader has tipped us off to an unusual dynamic regarding the recent release of linebacker LaVar Arrington by the Redskins, which occurred when he agreed to waive $4.4 million in earned but unpaid signing bonus money. We've confirmed the following new information through a league source.

As it turns out, the 'Skins offered to convert the $6.5 million roster bonus owed to Arrington into a guaranteed signing bonus, which would have permitted it to be prorated over four years. The 'Skins also offered to move up all or part of the $4.4 million in deferred payments from his December 2003 signing bonus.

Arrington was poised at one point to accept the deal, but then opted for free agency.

So the maneuver results in a $10.9 million hole from which Arrington will now dig on the open market. And if his agents haven't lined up a deal that will pay him more than $10.9 million plus his $545,000 base salary in 2006, it will prove in hindsight to be a bad move.

[HAWGZHEAD]

Interesting postscript from PFT:Wow, if true that is interesting. Seems the relationship between him and the team were too far gone.

[akhhorus]

Wow, if true that is interesting. Seems the relationship between him and the team were too far gone.

Yeah, and the proposed restructure probably would have saved much more than he did with the buyout. But PFT is right, if he doesn't score a major deal in free agency, his agents have screwed him again.

[PA Skins Girl]

Lavar was the face of the franchise for a his first 4 years here. My opinion is, when new stars emerged, he didnt know exactly how to react. He became high-maintenance, even a bit unstable, if you asked me.

I'm sorry to see him go, but I really believe this is better end to a tough situation than anyone could have hoped for.

It wont seem right to see him in another uniform. I hope he will always consider this his home. No hard feelings.

[redskin_rich]

Yeah, and the proposed restructure probably would have saved much more than he did with the buyout. But PFT is right, if he doesn't score a major deal in free agency, his agents have screwed him again.
It reeks of tampering to me. If LaVar signs with a team this week, I will definitely believe there was talks going on beforehand.

[Dept_of_Defense]

Lavar was the face of the franchise for a his first 4 years here. My opinion is, when new stars emerged, he didnt know exactly how to react. He became high-maintenance, even a bit unstable, if you asked me.

I'm sorry to see him go, but I really believe this is better end to a tough situation than anyone could have hoped for.

It wont seem right to see him in another uniform. I hope he will always consider this his home. No hard feelings.
Unfortunately they just said on Comcast that he's looking to sign with a team in the NFC East. He did also say that he "would have a really hard time putting on a Dallas jersey." I'm am really not liking this. I think I'm going to throw up when I see him wearing another uniform.

[santanadasavior]

Unfortunately they just said on Comcast that he's looking to sign with a team in the NFC East. He did also say that he "would have a really hard time putting on a Dallas jersey." I'm am really not liking this. I think I'm going to throw up when I see him wearing another uniform.

It will be weird at first, but when you look at the scoreboard, it will all be fine. This move is a little bittersweet for me. I really liked the guy and I don't want to play him twice every year. I don't know what to make of this really.

[ShaggySkins]

Unfortunately they just said on Comcast that he's looking to sign with a team in the NFC East. He did also say that he "would have a really hard time putting on a Dallas jersey." I'm am really not liking this. I think I'm going to throw up when I see him wearing another uniform.

If Lavar signs with a team in the NFC East it would be a very stupid decision for him to make.

He wouldn't fit in with either Dallas or Philly. He couldn't get along with Trotter when they were both here in DC why would he get along any better with him in Philly. And Parcells isn't going to let him freelance any more then Greg Williams did. If he ends up with either of them then great because it will just turn into a big distraction like it was here.

Laver needs to go to a coach that will let him freelance such as Ray Rhodes in Seattle or Marty in SD. He's shown that when playing under a strict defensive system he is a problem. It was clear with Marvin Lewis and then with Greg Williams.

[helimech24]

The only place he could possible go IMO is the Giants. Your right, he doesn't fit in a 34 defense, and I think Philly is to stingy with their money to pay what Lavar wants.

[LATrueRedskin]

Hey LA, will you change your sn??

Nope, I'm gonna keep it as long as he doesn't become a Cowboy.

[helimech24]

Nope, I'm gonna keep it as long as he doesn't become a Cowboy.I think you are safe then.

[SonnyandSam]

Well, the Poston boys better have a guaranteed contract worth at least $11 million for Lavar if what PFT wrote is true. Lavar turned down a heck of a lot of guaranteed money to not be with "his" team.

That also means the team signing him has to have a fair amount of cap space which leaves out the cowgirls. Philly has substantial cap space. Not sure NY has enought considering all their other needs. But they are looking for linebackers to go with Antonio....so maybe he will be in blue and red next year.

Lavar may not be the Lavar of old but he is still very talented and very good (sorry Achk....you're wrong on his ability and value to teams, IMHO). And he still has the ability to be a Pro Bowl caliber linebacker. Just depends on how he is used. His smartest move would be to find a team that will take advantage of his strengths. Lavar just simply does not work in a Gregg Williams defense.

[helimech24]

I think the best place for Lavar to go isn't in the NFC East, but in the South. TB would be a pretty damn good fit for him.

[santanadasavior]

I think the best place for Lavar to go isn't in the NFC East, but in the South. TB would be a pretty damn good fit for him.

I actually think he would be best in a 3-4 defense. His size and "pass rushing skills" would make him fit their well. I just want to play him next year. I just think that he would have the worst game of his career.

[santanadasavior]

Nope, I'm gonna keep it as long as he doesn't become a Cowboy.

I like that dedication. Who knows, he could come back.

[DoGood]

I like that dedication. Who knows, he could come back.

That's an interesting thought... It's entirely possible and it sure would make me happy.

[helimech24]

I actually think he would be best in a 3-4 defense. His size and "pass rushing skills" would make him fit their well. I just want to play him next year. I just think that he would have the worst game of his career.He doesn't have any pass rushing skills anymore. That is why Clemons was doing it on 3rd down. Everytime Williams would rush him, Lavar was easily blocked.

[santanadasavior]

That's an interesting thought... It's entirely possible and it sure would make me happy.

If you think about it, it makes a lot of sense.

1. The fans in general love him.
2. He is a great athlete.
3. Other teams may be reluctant to sign him because of his past few seasons.
4. He said he always wanted to be a Redskin.

[Dept_of_Defense]

If you think about it, it makes a lot of sense.

1. The fans in general love him.
2. He is a great athlete.
3. Other teams may be reluctant to sign him because of his past few seasons.
4. He said he always wanted to be a Redskin.
Two words: Dale Lindsey

[Axegrinder]

If you think about it, it makes a lot of sense.

1. The fans in general love him.
2. He is a great athlete.
3. Other teams may be reluctant to sign him because of his past few seasons.
4. He said he always wanted to be a Redskin.
This is wishful thinking,but it's not realistic.
If he wanted to stay with the Skins,he'd have renogiated his deal without going through all of this.
He's gone.

[santanadasavior]

This is wishful thinking,but it's not realistic.
If he wanted to stay with the Skins,he'd have renogiated his deal without going through all of this.
He's gone.

I'm not really talking about right now. The right now option is a huge longshot and I'm not really fond of it. The later in time option is more along my line of thinking.

[DoGood]

If you think about it, it makes a lot of sense.

1. The fans in general love him.
2. He is a great athlete.
3. Other teams may be reluctant to sign him because of his past few seasons.
4. He said he always wanted to be a Redskin.

I wasn't implying that he come back so soon. I was thinking more a few years down the road.

[MONK_in_HOF]

Ok..So most of the places I read at first indicated the Redskins would get roughly 4.2 million in cap space from letting Lavar go. The bottom of this ESPN article on the CBA talks about the Lavar situation and implies the Redskins will save 9 million in cap space. This can't be right can it? link (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2356310)

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

And I think Holdman was bad, but Lavar wasn't much better than him.
We must have been watching different games.

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

Two words: Dale Lindsey :banghead:

[akhhorus]

Ok..So most of the places I read at first indicated the Redskins would get roughly 4.2 million in cap space from letting Lavar go. The bottom of this ESPN article on the CBA talks about the Lavar situation and implies the Redskins will save 9 million in cap space. This can't be right can it? link (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2356310)

Hmm...interesting. I think the 4.4 million figure is right; but if Lavar gave up another bonus or depending on the language of the contract, the 9 million figure is possible.

[bgforever]

Hmm...interesting. I think the 4.4 million figure is right; but if Lavar gave up another bonus or depending on the language of the contract, the 9 million figure is possible.


If you counted the 12 million, minus the 4.4, that's 7.6 remaining, but he already received some of that remaining and he was only due 5+ mil as opposed to an entire 12 mil which would have counted against the cap originally,before his decision. The proration of what was accountable after 2006, apparently dicipated when he "forfieted" VOLUNTARILY his remaining balance. I would think this is their logic on that as well. That THIS year was the last accountable one in full, since the forfeiting took place now, not later.

In short its like he nullified the deal, by NOT meeting the "specific performance" required before deadline triggers.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Hmm...interesting. I think the 4.4 million figure is right; but if Lavar gave up another bonus or depending on the language of the contract, the 9 million figure is possible.

That would be huge...we could really be big-time players in the FA market if that were to be true...

[akhhorus]

If you counted the 12 million, minus the 4.4, that's 7.6 remaining, but he already received some of that remaining and he was only due 5+ mil as opposed to an entire 12 mil which would have counted against the cap originally,before his decision. The proration of what was accountable after 2006, apparently dicipated when he "forfieted" VOLUNTARILY his remaining balance. I would think this is their logic on that as well. That THIS year was the last accountable one in full, since the forfeiting took place now, not later.

In short its like he nullified the deal, by NOT meeting the "specific performance" required before deadline triggers.

Hmm..interesting. It might come down to whether or not the CBA is extended. We'll see. If it is 9 million saved, we can afford just about anyone to replace Lavar.

[skinsfan811]

Sorry...I haven't read the whole thread, but I think this is a win-win situation for both Lavar avd the Skins.The redskins can aford any replacement they want for Lavar, and Lavar gets out of a situation he didn't want to be in in Washington.

[S.Taylor36]

Sorry...I haven't read the whole thread, but I think this is a win-win situation for both Lavar avd the Skins.The redskins can aford any replacement they want for Lavar, and Lavar gets out of a situation he didn't want to be in in Washington.

I found this interesting out of Lavar. He really loved the fans in Washington.

Lavar Arrington has hinted he opted out of his contract for the good of the Redskins.
"They have an opportunity now to get more cap room, and re-sign some guys I really love, and I have the opportunity to get a fresh beginning." The 'Skins were in terrible cap shape and the move was good for both sides in theory, as Arrington clearly wanted out of D.C. and was willing to give up the money.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/06/AR2006030601071.html

[flave1969]

I understand what Lavar meant to this franchise when times were tough in his first four seasons but I saw the man get rewarded for all he meant. Even with the disputed $6.5 million dollars it was the biggest contract for a Redskin defensive player ever. The money he was offered showed that at the time he was thought of as a Redskin for life.

Yet in two seasons he has done little that makes him indespensible. I have watched players take to the Gregg Williams scheme with relish and perform above their previous standards, yet Lavar never looked comfortable with the scheme. I cannot fathom why an injury that restricted him to four games early in 04 was still affecting him in 05, when all reliable accounts suggested it was not a major knee injury. These things happen but why is Lavar Now working out like never before, its a year too late IMO.

Lavar has been quick to talk and quick to retract and again I understand it is borne from frustration but I got tired of hearing it. The Times article was a disgrace, those who defend him for it should remember that talking to the media serves one purpose "GETTING YOUR VIEWS INTO THE PUBLIC ARENA". That is what the media does. Why did he have to even talk to the Times at that time it did the team a disservice and is the ultimate in naivety if you think what you say is in confidence. Lavar can't have it both ways when dealing with the hacks, there were plenty of times he was willing to sound off but at the most crucial time in the teams season it was meant to be in confidence. He could have waited.

It is these things that I will remember since the contract was signed, not the great plays of the past two years because there were not many. Lavar looked a shell of the man he was and maybe he will turn it around like Brunell did this year. I wish him luck but am not sorry that we have a lot more scope to build the depth of this team because the contract will be off the books. If Lavar had recorded seasons that were even 90% as effective as his first four I would be upset but they were not and as great as he was, the team is everything.

[Keino]

I understand what Lavar meant to this franchise when times were tough in his first four seasons but I saw the man get rewarded for all he meant. Even with the disputed $6.5 million dollars it was the biggest contract for a Redskin defensive player ever. The money he was offered showed that at the time he was thought of as a Redskin for life.

Yet in two seasons he has done little that makes him indespensible. I have watched players take to the Gregg Williams scheme with relish and perform above their previous standards, yet Lavar never looked comfortable with the scheme. I cannot fathom why an injury that restricted him to four games early in 04 was still affecting him in 05, when all reliable accounts suggested it was not a major knee injury. These things happen but why is Lavar Now working out like never before, its a year too late IMO.

Lavar has been quick to talk and quick to retract and again I understand it is borne from frustration but I got tired of hearing it. The Times article was a disgrace, those who defend him for it should remember that talking to the media serves one purpose "GETTING YOUR VIEWS INTO THE PUBLIC ARENA". That is what the media does. Why did he have to even talk to the Times at that time it did the team a disservice and is the ultimate in naivety if you think what you say is in confidence. Lavar can't have it both ways when dealing with the hacks, there were plenty of times he was willing to sound off but at the most crucial time in the teams season it was meant to be in confidence. He could have waited.

It is these things that I will remember since the contract was signed, not the great plays of the past two years because there were not many. Lavar looked a shell of the man he was and maybe he will turn it around like Brunell did this year. I wish him luck but am not sorry that we have a lot more scope to build the depth of this team because the contract will be off the books. If Lavar had recorded seasons that were even 90% as effective as his first four I would be upset but they were not and as great as he was, the team is everything.

I was avoiding this thread, but I happenned to notice Flave posted, and he never posts junk, so I decided to read that last post.

I have to say that if I were to pick one post that sums up my feelings, this would be it. Although, in fairness, I haven't read many on the topic.

I've never gotten over the Times article that came out during the week before the biggest game this franchise had seen in 6 years.

[PA Skins Girl]

If you counted the 12 million, minus the 4.4, that's 7.6 remaining, but he already received some of that remaining and he was only due 5+ mil as opposed to an entire 12 mil which would have counted against the cap originally,before his decision. The proration of what was accountable after 2006, apparently dicipated when he "forfieted" VOLUNTARILY his remaining balance. I would think this is their logic on that as well. That THIS year was the last accountable one in full, since the forfeiting took place now, not later.

In short its like he nullified the deal, by NOT meeting the "specific performance" required before deadline triggers.
I've read this post 4 times and I still cant make sense of it. :whoknows:

[hail2skins]

Flav, great post as usual. As far as the 05 season went, Lavar was still in recovery. Joe said it and so did Arrington. What more do we need. Joe, who everybody relishes on this board said the rehab slowed him down in training camp and they couldn't get all the work for him that they wanted to get in. Arrington basically said on the JT show the same thing almost. He wasn't entirely healthy and he's still working on stuff right now. What I can blame him for is trying to come back earlier than he should have which caused him to have issues with the coaches and the approach that was taken with the injury.

I understand that he was costing alot on the books and knew that something had to happen. I was hoping that they could find some middle ground but that didn't happen. People say he didn't want to be here but I don't agree. The man left $10+ million to get his freedom. Freedom that save us money now and freedom that let's him hit the market. If he had stayed here, a lot of you would still be angry because he had some numbers on the books that later down the road would still cause us problems. He decided let's not do this to this organization and let's move on. Despite other's opinions I believe he did it for both parties. If he had stayed, the numbers would have gotten worse and this thing would have gotten uglier and uglier. IF he had any malice, he could have opted to stay here and keep the money tied up. He didn't and I'm appreciative.

[RicFlairOne]

I'm not doubting that this is the best move for the team and LaVar, I'm just saying that I will always remember what he did while he was here. Don't you remember all the horrible years we had from 2000-2004? LaVar was the one thing that gave us something to be excited about. He was our franchise player, someone that could intimidate other teams and a player that undeniably gave his all everytime he stepped on the field. He was San Diego's LT, Baltimore's Ray Lewis, etc....someone that you would picture when you thought about that team. You could never doubt how much he loved the fans and the city of Washington. That's how I will remember LaVar and that's how I hope he's remembered.

Good points. His best year was with Marty in 2001 when the team started 0-5. And I'll also admit that he had to go through all of the coaching changes. But unfortunately I'll also remember the whining and the suit against the team.