Redskins Raise Ticket and Parking Prices!

[smoak]

Wow, this is a steep increase! I will probably have to sell a couple games (possibly including the dallass game) to help with the cost of season tickets.

The Washington Redskins will raise the price of lower-bowl general-admission seats 39 percent next season, and will increase the cost of parking in the 20,000 parking spaces at FedEx Field from $25 to $35, up 40 percent.

The 2006 season-ticket invoices include a significant change from past years. Gershman said invoices for most of the general-admission seats will separate the team's ticket price from the 10 percent Prince George's County sales tax on the ticket. So last year's $79 lower-bowl ticket, which included the tax, has increased to $99 for the ticket plus an additional county tax of about $9.90, making the total $108.90.

Upper-bowl seats that were priced between $40 and $60 have gone up between $5 and $11. With tax included, those seats are priced from around $50 to $70.

LINK (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/06/AR2006030601535.html)

[Patrick]

I KNEW this was coming. This will probably cause me to not be able to retain my season tickets. .......... IF the Redskins don't let me drop my memberships to the Tailgate Club WITHOUT losing my lowerbowl seating I'm afraid I'm just going to have to give them one of those "Take These Tickets and Shove Them Up Your *(* :cussing: ....... well you get the idea.

[smoak]

I KNEW this was coming. This will probably cause me to not be able to retain my season tickets. .......... IF the Redskins don't let me drop my memberships to the Tailgate Club WITHOUT losing my lowerbowl seating I'm afraid I'm just going to have to give them one of those "Take These Tickets and Shove Them Up Your *(* :cussing: ....... well you get the idea.

Can you sell a couple games to help defray the costs? I know the redskins consider it a no-no, but the worst they can do is take away your tickets. :rolleyes:

[dj_stouty]

No surprise here...

He hasn't raised prices in two seasons, I believe. This is the price you pay when you make the playoffs. Its par for the course.

Plus, it doesn't hurt when you have tens of thousands on a waiting list.

If anything, it may force more people to drop their tickets and allow more "able bodied" fans on the waiting list to purchase them. I think there is a slew of longtime ticket holders who have only been to a handful of games since they erected Fed Ex.

[PA Skins Girl]

That's quite a jump. Cant say I'm happy about it. I'm in the lower bowl...ouch!

[Sean Taylor is God]

Wow, this is a steep increase! I will probably have to sell a couple games (possibly including the dallass game) to help with the cost of season tickets.







LINK (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/06/AR2006030601535.html)
Aren't there league-wide rules pertaining to the percentage increase a team can enact on its concession and ticket prices? those are very large increases and i think it's quite presumptuous of snyder to do this after just one winning season in decades. Slow your roll DAN!

[FootballNorth]

This is crap. :banghead: :cry: I am a Bills season ticket holder with front row seats in the corner of the club level (not club amenities, just same level) for $27 a pop. $270 for the season.

[skins lady]

This is crap. :banghead: :cry: I am a Bills season ticket holder with front row seats in the corner of the club level (not club amenities, just same level) for $27 a pop. $270 for the season.
$270 per season for club row? I couldn't even think of that at Fedex Field, Upper Deck is around $575 give or take per year.

[Keino]

Did you just compare the Buffalo Market to the DC market?


He hasn't raised prices in years, and the fact is that there are tens of thousands of people willing to pay the new price. The increases aren't that substantial in my opinion. Of course my seat prices are locked in thanks to the 6 year contract we signed.

[Seebs]

I've paid 150 Euros for my 19 home games of soccer this season...

[PA Skins Girl]

This gives the 2005 average per club. We were 10th highest last year.

http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2005/12/13/chiefs_set_ticket_prices_for_2006/

[Sean Taylor is God]

Buffalo is not a city, it's a conglomerate of failure! 0-4 I would have moved long ago just because the air must be SO stale.

[CNYSkinFan]

This is crap. :banghead: :cry: I am a Bills season ticket holder with front row seats in the corner of the club level (not club amenities, just same level) for $27 a pop. $270 for the season.
yeah...but you have to deal with Bills fans. That is the price you have to pay. larger ticket prices to go to a stadium full of drunk out of control fans more interested in yellow jackets flying around to break up fights would just be inhumane.

[skins lady]

This gives the 2005 average per club. We were 10th highest last year.

http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2005/12/13/chiefs_set_ticket_prices_for_2006/
I'd hate to be a New England fan, $128 times 10 games= $1280 for the upper level
:eek:

[Sean Taylor is God]

This gives the 2005 average per club. We were 10th highest last year.

http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2005/12/13/chiefs_set_ticket_prices_for_2006/
Those #'s are a little spuprising but it should be noted that al the teams near the top a new, technologically advanced stadiums that allow for higher prices. i guess the increases aren't that crazy.

[Battle Cat]

I hope this still allows for the everday fan to be able to go to Fed Ex field. I only get to make it to about a game a year so the price doesn't effect me as much. I was proud of how loud and rawkus our fans were last year. I dont want to see that replaced with rich stiff suits sitting on their hands. I apologize ahead of time to any rich stiff suits on this message board, not you guys the other ones.

[smoak]

I may be in the minority, but I'd rather have a teeny tiny increase every year than big jumps. I start budgeting for tickets a year in advance.

[Sean Taylor is God]

I may be in the minority, but I'd rather have a teeny tiny increase every year than big jumps. I start budgeting for tickets a year in advance.
that is one of the main reasons i thought there were rules against such large % increases. i guess i'm wrong, but in that case, there should be. SAVE SMOAK!

[smoak]

that is one of the main reasons i thought there were rules against such large % increases. i guess i'm wrong, but in that case, there should be. SAVE SMOAK!

I am trying to save. Honestly, if we could get a Super Bowl under Gibbs, I'd probably turn in my tickets b/c NOTHING could top that for me. A championship with the man who for me defines what it means to be a Redskins (whether be player, coach or fan).

[Sean Taylor is God]

I'll get you tickets my friend, snyder's my cousin.

[dj_stouty]

LOL @ Buffalo.

There is a reason they stop selling beer after halftime instead of after the 3rd quarter like most NFL Stadiums...

It's no wonder Buffalo is at 90% capacity every Sunday when the tickets are less than 30 bucks a seat. You can't even get an obstructed view at Fed Ex for any less than 40!

[skinfanjon]

I just got my tickets last season, so I have not had the benefit of the lack of increase the last two years. I understand though, it's the price of success. Of course I'll renew!

[Sean Taylor is God]

I just got my tickets last season, so I have not had the benefit of the lack of increase the last two years. I understand though, it's the price of success. Of course I'll renew!
And that's why the owners get away with it. fans that are willing to pay. supply and demand here people, supply is the same, demand has gone up, as a result prices go up. ECON 101.

[skinfanjon]

And that's why the owners get away with it. fans that are willing to pay. supply and demand here people, supply is the same, demand has gone up, as a result prices go up. ECON 101.

I took that class last semester, you are absolutely correct!

The tickets are worth it to me, no place feels more like home than Fedex.

[Sean Taylor is God]

I took that class last semester, you are absolutely correct!

The tickets are worth it to me, no place feels more like home than Fedex.
i think they should play one game next season in RFK, maybe like a preseason exhibition. RFK isn't a stadium its a shrine to greatness.

[smoak]

I hope this still allows for the everday fan to be able to go to Fed Ex field. I only get to make it to about a game a year so the price doesn't effect me as much. I was proud of how loud and rawkus our fans were last year. I dont want to see that replaced with rich stiff suits sitting on their hands. I apologize ahead of time to any rich stiff suits on this message board, not you guys the other ones.

LMAO!!! Do we have a lot of rich stiff suits here?

[skinfanjon]

i think they should play one game next season in RFK, maybe like a preseason exhibition. RFK isn't a stadium its a shrine to greatness.

Sounds good to me:beer: Can you imagine funneling 90k+ season ticket holders into a 55k capacity stadium? That would be the hottest ticket in town, they could charge whatever they wanted. Of course, it would have to be a night game....I bet Snyder would jump all over something like that, if it was acceptable with the league

[RedskinsDave]

I'd like to wish Dan Snyder a happy time rotting in hell. One playoff win and we see a jump like this? Highway robbery laws should cover this increase. 40% increase?!!!! :devil2:

[Axegrinder]

Big Thumbs Down to the Redskins and Snyder!!!
We've lined his pockets when the teams weren't very good.
Where was my rebate then?

Go ahead big shot,outprice your 12th man.
My name has just come up for season tickets and the Redskins can do what Patrick said.
I'm fed up!

[Sean Taylor is God]

I hear the Eagles are looking for fans. Step your game up! there are enough people out there willing to pay those prices, that is why he is raising them. enough willing fans = you are inconsequential.

[Axegrinder]

I hear the Eagles are looking for fans. Step your game up! there are enough people out there willing to pay those prices, that is why he is raising them. enough willing fans = you are inconsequential.
Was that directed at me?

[Keino]

My Goodness people.

If Mr. Spacely was selling his Sprockets for $10 per and then raised the price to $14 it would represent a 40% increase. Is it really that serious?

$30 over 10 games is $300 bucks annually. I think most reasonable people can budget for an increase of $300 bucks spread out. Maybe it means Dinner and a Movie 5 or 6 times less next year. I'd rather be at a game than on a date with my wife anyways.

Thats the lower bowl increase...$30 Flippin dollars.

In the upperbowl, the increase is a max of $11 per game.

Save the indignant responses for a real issue. We want Danny to make money, because he injects it into improving the team and the venue.

[Sean Taylor is God]

Was that directed at me?
it's directed to everyone who is mad. nobody LIKES paying higher prices but i've been listening to too many people say that they are not going to be fans any more. if that's the case you are not a fan now!

[Axegrinder]

My Goodness people.

If Mr. Spacely was selling his Sprockets for $10 per and then raised the price to $14 it would represent a 40% increase. Is it really that serious?

$30 over 10 games is $300 bucks annually. I think most reasonable people can budget for an increase of $300 bucks spread out. Maybe it means Dinner and a Movie 5 or 6 times less next year. I'd rather be at a game than on a date with my wife anyways.

Thats the lower bowl increase...$30 Flippin dollars.

In the upperbowl, the increase is a max of $11 per game.

Save the indignant responses for a real issue. We want Danny to make money, because he injects it into improving the team and the venue.Don't forget parking.
Concessions going up too?
In case some of you haven't looked lately,the middle class is being squeezed.

[RedskinsDave]

My Goodness people.

If Mr. Spacely was selling his Sprockets for $10 per and then raised the price to $14 it would represent a 40% increase. Is it really that serious?

$30 over 10 games is $300 bucks annually. I think most reasonable people can budget for an increase of $300 bucks spread out. Maybe it means Dinner and a Movie 5 or 6 times less next year. I'd rather be at a game than on a date with my wife anyways.

Thats the lower bowl increase...$30 Flippin dollars.

In the upperbowl, the increase is a max of $11 per game.

Save the indignant responses for a real issue. We want Danny to make money, because he injects it into improving the team and the venue.

Then do it $5 a year for 6 years. This lump increase after one frickin playoff win is just plain gouging. It's Dan's way of saying thank you for nothing for supporting my crap team over the last 5 years.

This really makes paying full price for a pre-season game even more frustrating.

It's the whole thought process that bothers me. Sit on loyalty for years and then once the bandwagoners are back.....WHAM....take that loyal suckers!!!!!!!!

[RedskinsDave]

Concessions going up too?

That should be fun to watch too.

[bgforever]

This gives the 2005 average per club. We were 10th highest last year.

http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2005/12/13/chiefs_set_ticket_prices_for_2006/
This gives the 2005 average per club. We were 10th highest last year.

http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2005/12/13/chiefs_set_ticket_prices_for_2006/


Gawd! Houston and Detroit in the upper echolon - dispicable!

I also anticipated an increase and thought all along it was a middle of the road thing. The organization can at their discretion increase reasonably. However, I didn't expect the bowl's to be so steep. Apparently they did with percentages for the dollar amount, because there is still good angles from up top and I have the ones that faces from the end zone, but a slight angle so I can see more of the Redskins' sideline.

I am still going to load up for another season :)

[70chip-on-1]

For the last 10 years I have gone to about 3-4 games a year. In those 10 years I have yet to show up to the stadium with a ticket in-hand.

Just go down to the stadium day of the game and score em in the parking lot. WITHOUT exception I have yet to pay face value for great seats.. Just wait 5 minutes after kickoff and you'll find guys with fistfulls of tickets on firesale.

I just like the convenience of waiting till the last minute.. If I wake up and I'm hungover, or have a cold, I don't have to go.. nothing lost. If I wakeup and it looks to be a good day for gridiron action.. I roll down and meetup with the regulars. Its just easier that way.

[redskin_rich]

it's directed to everyone who is mad. nobody LIKES paying higher prices but i've been listening to too many people say that they are not going to be fans any more. if that's the case you are not a fan now!
I'm not sure where you read anybody saying that they would not be a Skins fan anymore but whether or not one chooses to spend their money on season tix or stay home and watch, does not measure what kind of fan they are.

[smoak]

For the last 10 years I have gone to about 3-4 games a year. In those 10 years I have yet to show up to the stadium with a ticket in-hand.

Just go down to the stadium day of the game and score em in the parking lot. WITHOUT exception I have yet to pay face value for great seats.. Just wait 5 minutes after kickoff and you'll find guys with fistfulls of tickets on firesale.

I just like the convenience of waiting till the last minute.. If I wake up and I'm hungover, or have a cold, I don't have to go.. nothing lost. If I wakeup and it looks to be a good day for gridiron action.. I roll down and meetup with the regulars. Its just easier that way.

Sounds like a great plan if I lived closer. Does it work out for big games (i.e. dallass) as well?

[Keino]

Then do it $5 a year for 6 years. This lump increase after one frickin playoff win is just plain gouging. It's Dan's way of saying thank you for nothing for supporting my crap team over the last 5 years.

This really makes paying full price for a pre-season game even more frustrating.

It's the whole thought process that bothers me. Sit on loyalty for years and then once the bandwagoners are back.....WHAM....take that loyal suckers!!!!!!!!

And if it were gradual and annual then people would complain that he raises them annually. Nobody likes paying more money, but geezuz, lets not act like the prices went from affordable to unaffordable.

Chances are, if you could afford the old price you can afford the new. If you couldn't afford the old price, well then the new price shouldn't have an effect on your personal economy.

I mean really, do you raise prices when your product is performing or when it is not? The answer is obvious and understandable as a business decision.

[smoak]

Don't forget parking.
Concessions going up too?
In case some of you haven't looked lately,the middle class is being squeezed.

Gas and tolls are a killer for me as well.

Bottom line is that we are all different people and everyone is going to have a different opinion. Nobody is right or wrong aboujt how they feel re: the issue.

[Sean Taylor is God]

I'm not sure where you read anybody saying that they would not be a Skins fan anymore but whether or not one chooses to spend their money on season tix or stay home and watch, does not measure what kind of fan they are.
you're right, i reviewed the thread and nobody threatened to leave because of ticket prices. however, a few have said such in reference to lavar's release so that's where i was getting it from. i actually prefer to watch games in the comfort of my living room and agree that game attendance has nothing to do with loyalty. MERCHANDISING!!! We've got Spaceballs:The Movie t-shirts, hats, lunch boxes... we've even got a Spaceballs:The Movie Flame Thrower.

[70chip-on-1]

Sounds like a great plan if I lived closer. Does it work out for big games (i.e. dallass) as well?

Its worked for every game I've been to.. big or small. I don't go to every dallas game or eagles etc.. but I've been to a few. You just have to wait till after the game starts to get the good deals.

[smoak]

And that's why the owners get away with it. fans that are willing to pay. supply and demand here people, supply is the same, demand has gone up, as a result prices go up. ECON 101.

You are absolutely correct. We have nobody to blame but ourselves. If we all stopped going, the prices would drop.

I hear the Eagles are looking for fans. Step your game up! there are enough people out there willing to pay those prices, that is why he is raising them. enough willing fans = you are inconsequential.

Unfortunately to you are correct about any one person being of consequence when it comes to setting prices, but this is a little harsh. People are going to stop being Redskins fans. They'll just be fans from home. This board has people that travel hours to get to each home game. Some fly in for every game. At the risk of sounding corny, I've met many of the fans here and I can tell you the folks I have met all bleed burgundy and gold.

(Note: I never met bigsef. :D)

[smoak]

Its worked for every game I've been to.. big or small. I don't go to every dallas game or eagles etc.. but I've been to a few. You just have to wait till after the game starts to get the good deals.

That will probably be my game plan in a couple years. I've just been burnt by scalpers and I don't care for them at all.

[Sean Taylor is God]

I realize my comments are a little harsh. However, right now are prices are about $30 lower on avg than the avg of the top 5. we are blessed with top quality facilities and a well run FO. as well we are always high spenders on the field. we live in one of the most powerful cities in the world so daily operations are more expensive than almost every other club. i don't think it's unfair to put our ticket prices in the same brackets as the most expensive teams.

[FootballNorth]

Here's a different perspective. I am proud to admit that I am a small-time "scalper" of Redskins and other tickets. Largely using the profits I make to offset junkets that I otherwise could not justify to my wife ( of recent note, I was at Super Bowl XL and am going to the Final Four in a few weeks).

Last year I had 13 Redskins season tickets and 2 season parking passes. With my prices always being lower than any of the big time brokers, I made about 2 grand last year on the Skins 10 games (about $15 a ticket on average). An acceptable return, but still a pretty low return considering having to pay up-front, spend the hours finding buyers, time and expense of maintaining my website, etc.

This year, I'll likely be going down to 7 tickets due to this price increase, as the opportunity cost is too great. In other words, I can make a lot more money on other tickets, including the Bills.

I know there must be a lot of other scaplers out there with the same dilemma. If they all decide to walk away in the name of greater returns elsewhere it can be great for the everyday fan as demand for season tickets will take a big hit. It can also turn around and bite the team in the butt as they may realize how fragile the season ticket base is with 92,000 seats, rising prices and no option but to lock in to the entire season.

It will be interesting to see the fallout. All I know is in the last 2 years I have gone from something like 115,000 on the waiting list to now being in the low 5 digits. There is a whole lot of attrition here with the renewal rate as well as people who are on the list who decline the offer to purchase.

Bottom line is in a city like Washington where demand is so strong, higher prices are usually best for the fan as the middle men (scalpers) may look elsewhere, but it's a fine line that may lead to empty seats and fans no longer being able to get back cash for the games they do not attend, making their price per game attended even higher.

Supply and demand is a wonderful rule of life.

Rob

[Axegrinder]

I realize my comments are a little harsh. However, right now are prices are about $30 lower on avg than the avg of the top 5. we are blessed with top quality facilities and a well run FO. as well we are always high spenders on the field. we live in one of the most powerful cities in the world so daily operations are more expensive than almost every other club. i don't think it's unfair to put our ticket prices in the same brackets as the most expensive teams.
Harsh?
Calling people Eagle fans is down right inflamatory!

[bgforever]

Harsh?
Calling people Eagle fans is down right inflamatory!


Is that why those toes are smoking in your avatar :lol1:

Just ribbing ya. :)

[Sean Taylor is God]

Harsh?
Calling people Eagle fans is down right inflamatory!
Are you gellin'

[Keino]

Well since I buy my tickets through legitimate means, I care not one iota about how the increase in ticket prices effects the Ticket Scalping Community. You mean legitimate buyers will now have increased opportunity to purchase tickets as a result of the increase? Well that is an upside to having to pay more in my book. We also just might see a decrease in the number of Green, Blue and Silver Jerseys when we play the teams with those colors, because scumbag scalpers aren't providing these fans with tickets. The deal gets better and better from where I sit......

[redskin_rich]

All I know is in the last 2 years I have gone from something like 115,000 on the waiting list to now being in the low 5 digits.
How do you find out where on the list you are? I was around 113,000 on January, 2004.

[Axegrinder]

Is that why those toes are smoking in your avatar :lol1:

Just ribbing ya. :)
That's funny.
Of course I'm gellin.
This is my official stinky feet avatar week.

[FootballNorth]

Well since I buy my tickets through legitimate means, I care not one iota about how the increase in ticket prices effects the Ticket Scalping Community. You mean legitimate buyers will now have increased opportunity to purchase tickets as a result of the increase? Well that is an upside to having to pay more in my book. We also just might see a decrease in the number of Green, Blue and Silver Jerseys when we play the teams with those colors, because scumbag scalpers aren't providing these fans with tickets. The deal gets better and better from where I sit......

I completely agree. The fans will likely be better off.

Just understand that this could bite the fans in the butt. Many markets are driven by speculators (ie. gold) who have no intention of ever using the product/service/ticket/commodity for what it is. Just let it be know that once these speculators get disinterested in the market and leave, the people who buy the product can get burned. This is a fact of efficient markets.

Event tickets are a supply and demand driven market, just like everything else. If you feel that only fans should be allowed to buy and use them, then the team should implement a "pick up your tickets on the way into the stadium" policy and you'll see what happens to demand.

Rob "the scumbag scalper"

[FootballNorth]

How do you find out where on the list you are? I was around 113,000 on January, 2004.

You should be able to call up the team and they'll tell you exactly where you are. 301-276-6050.

[dj_stouty]

I agree 100% with Keino on this matter.

To my knowledge, Snyder hasn't raised ticket prices since Gibbs came back. Talk about a missed opportunity! If there was a chance to be greedy and force an increased raise in ticket prices; it would have been on the heels of the return of the prodical son. But he didn't...

And after a season that saw 2 post season games, he decides to increase prices. Big whoop. That is life. Remember...this is the guy who has the highest paid HC, DC and OC in the league in the range of 10 million total salary a year. That comes out to 10 dollars/game in ticket price per ticket holder, if you want a comparison. That is where your 10 dollar increase is going, upper level ticket holders...

Last year hail2skins posted a thread (http://hailredskins.com/vbforum/showthread.php?t=21387&highlight=ticket) about Danny NOT raising ticket prices for the '05 season. It contained only 16 posts in response. I counted 2 total members who were vocally happy to hear that Danny didn't raise ticket prices. This year, we have 55 responses in 5 hours...most of which are blasting Danny for raising ticket prices. Interesting...

[RedskinsDave]

I think this will increase the number of opposing fans at the games. The higher ticket price will mean more folks will dump a game or two to afford it. These tickets will end up in the hands of Eagles and Cowboys fans who don't mind paying a premium since their team is only in D.C. once a year.

[Keino]

I completely agree. The fans will likely be better off.

Just understand that this could bite the fans in the ass. Many markets are driven by speculators (ie. gold) who have no intention of ever using the product/service/ticket/commodity for what it is. Just let it be know that once these speculators get disinterested in the market and leave, the people who buy the product can get burned. This is a fact of efficient markets.

Event tickets are a supply and demand driven market, just like everything else. If you feel that only fans should be allowed to buy and use them, then the team should implement a "pick up your tickets on the way into the stadium" policy and you'll see what happens to demand.

Rob "the scumbag scalper"

Is the Redskins Season ticket market driven by speculators? I highly doubt it. The difference between Ticket Scalping and other Speculation (Gold, Real Estate etc.) is those practices are legal and widely considered legitimate, but buying a ticket for an event and then reselling at greater than face value is illegal in most states. Even in States where it is legal, you have to be a licensed broker and you are subject to state regulation and caps on your profits. If you think Speculators becoming disinterested in Redskins season tickets is going to have any impact whatsoever on the Demand for Redskins season tickets, well then you just don't understand the Redskins market as well as you think you do. The team has sold out every year since 1960 something. The demand is there with or without Speculators, and the fact is that speculators drive up prices by decreasing supply.

I don't feel fans should be the only ones buying and using tickets, I feel that the team should be the only Individual/entity proffiting from the sale thereof. The States of Maryland, and Virginia seem to agree with me, as does the District of Columbia.

[FootballNorth]

You take speculators out of the gold market today and the commodity loses 80% of it's value tomorrow. The Redskins would never be in for this type of decline, but it is inconceivable to think that speculators do not play a sizeable part.

No short-sighted government who is in the back pocket of professional sports teams' is going to tell me what I can and cannot make a buck from. I have 100% happy customers who, at the end of the day, obtained their tickets at the best possible value and could not be happier.

[RedskinsDave]

You take speculators out of the gold market today and the commodity loses 80% of it's value tomorrow. The Redskins would never be in for this type of decline, but it is inconceivable to think that speculators do not play a sizeable part.

No short-sighted government who is in the back pocket of professional sports teams' is going to tell me what I can and cannot make a buck from. I have 100% happy customers who, at the end of the day, obtained their tickets at the best possible value and could not be happier.

Ugh, their "best possible value" would be FACE value. :rolleyes:

[Sean Taylor is God]

how are you a redskins fan and a yankees fan? i loathe you! nothing personal of course. the value is actually higher because there is a value associated with not having to buy the tickets for all the other games. i am not going to crunch the numbers but i would assume our friend is selling them for much higher than that figure.

[TonyStewart]

Then do it $5 a year for 6 years. This lump increase after one frickin playoff win is just plain gouging. It's Dan's way of saying thank you for nothing for supporting my crap team over the last 5 years.

This really makes paying full price for a pre-season game even more frustrating.

It's the whole thought process that bothers me. Sit on loyalty for years and then once the bandwagoners are back.....WHAM....take that loyal suckers!!!!!!!!

You should know and have this theory down by now as a yankee fan, I mean he spends well over twice the amount on players a year & doesnt make anywhere close to the amount that Dan Snyder makes AND the 9 or 10 times the sox come into town there are more Sox fans then yankee fans in the stadium... I thoroughly enjoy starting "Lets Go Sox!!!" chants that can be heard over the yankee cheers

... I am not mad at Dan's tickets increase but then again I am goin into my 10th year without my price changing BUT I will enjoy the last 10 years of increases when I renew my lease for my club level after the 10 year contract I signed when FedEx opened... BUT as a TRUE REDSKIN FAN, I choose a game at FedEx Field then sitting at home watching the game in HD b/c I get to watch the away games to do that

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

oh this is just perfect timing.......the year i sign up for season tickets this happens. :rolleyes:

[FootballNorth]

Ugh, their "best possible value" would be FACE value. :rolleyes:

I agree 100%. With this as the goal there is only one decision to make and that is to either:

1. continue expanding the size of the stadium until supply and demand are in harmony at current prices,

or,

2. continue to raise prices until there are only 92,000 people winning to pay face value.

The Skins have shown over the last couple of years that they are willing to use both tactics. Good for them. They must have someone working for them who has taken economics 101.

Of course there are very few teams who can consistently sell their final ticket on the day of the game (which would be the result of a perfect ticket sales strategy). The Skins are not there yet and therefore there is a secondary market.

[Keino]

You take speculators out of the gold market today and the commodity loses 80% of it's value tomorrow. The Redskins would never be in for this type of decline, but it is inconceivable to think that speculators do not play a sizeable part.

No short-sighted government who is in the back pocket of professional sports teams' is going to tell me what I can and cannot make a buck from. I have 100% happy customers who, at the end of the day, obtained their tickets at the best possible value and could not be happier.

LMAO. If the Redskins would never be in for that type of decline, what sizeable part do speculators play in terms of benefit to the team?

Well as a crack dealer, all of my customers are happpy too, and therefore no short sighted government is going to tell me I cannot make a buck from selling crack. I give them crack at the best possible value. Nevermind the LAWS. Laws that you are breaking when you sell Redskins Tickets above face-value. Im sure you're claiming the income at tax time too :rolleyes:

Im not judging you for doing it (Im not saint), but lets not act like you play a pivotal role either way for the team. The absolute best value for event goers is face value. If you are providing tickets above the face value than you are not providing the best value whether they are happy paying your price or not.

[Axegrinder]

If any of y'all were at the opening game at FedEx and remember the wine and cheese [$$$] crowd that were there,it's coming back.
I don't believe peoples salaries went up 40 % last year.

For the affluents who are able to attend,I salute you.
I'm jealous,but I hope that you'll continue to represent.
Those that I know personally,will represent,no doubt about that.
But.....they are pricing away their fan base.

Parking?That's the biggest joke of all.
It's enough to turn people off right there.
How can they possibly rationalize a $10 dollar increase?
It's pathetic!

[Chief Seeway]

How do you find out where on the list you are? I was around 113,000 on January, 2004.

FN posted a good number.

I called and found out I'm at 60,813. If your contact information has changed (like mine does every three years), address, phone number, email, etc you can fax the new info to 301-276-6001.

As for the increase, I agree with Keino. It looks bad but really isn't if you prepare (budget). Open an extra money market fund and pay into it (direct deposit) a little each paycheck all year.

Or 60,813 of yout's could bail out and I'll get me some tizzles fo shizzle:lol1:

[RedskinsDave]

You should know and have this theory down by now as a yankee fan, I mean he spends well over twice the amount on players a year & doesnt make anywhere close to the amount that Dan Snyder makes AND the 9 or 10 times the sox come into town there are more Sox fans then yankee fans in the stadium... I thoroughly enjoy starting "Lets Go Sox!!!" chants that can be heard over the yankee cheers



Yeah, okay guy. :rolleyes:

[RedskinsDave]

If any of y'all were at the opening game at FedEx and remember the wine and cheese [$$$] crowd that were there,it's coming back.


That's exactly what my brother said. We were just getting to the point where we actually had a home field crowd full of loyal fans and not just the folks there to be seen. I am afraid this will take us back to that first year where a moderate increase each year would not have.

[Sean Taylor is God]

i was at the first game at oriole park at camden yards.that's the kind of crowd you get at the first game because it is an event for the wealthy to be seen at and network. raising the price isn't going to make them care, it will only make it harder for those who do.

[Keino]

Don't get me wrong Axe, Im not affluent. I just think some of us are making a huge deal out of the % when the percentage amounts to what is not a significant amount of money. See my Spacely's Sprockets example......If the Jetsons want a raise I have to raise the price 40% from 10 to 14 bucks.

Im going to trim other areas of my entertainment budget to off-set the difference.

[Chief Seeway]

If any of y'all were at the opening game at FedEx and remember the wine and cheese [$$$] crowd that were there,

The tailgate game?

I don't think the Thunderbird PennSkinsFan was drinking should be considered "wine".

Seriously, I see your point to a lesser degree. I lucked out and got 50 yard line lower level seats for that game (face value) and only noticed a handful of uppity-ups socializing like they were at a country club instead of a Redskins game. Let's face it this is the DC/VA/MD area we're talking about, there are plenty of people with big money.

[Axegrinder]

The tailgate game?

I don't think the Thunderbird PennSkinsFan was drinking should be considered "wine".

Seriously, I see your point to a lesser degree. I lucked out and got 50 yard line lower level seats for that game (face value) and only noticed a handful of uppity-ups socializing like they were at a country club instead of a Redskins game. Let's face it this is the DC/VA/MD area we're talking about, there are plenty of people with big money.
I was refering to the Buddy Ryan Arizona Cardinal game circa 1997.
Westbrook caught the winning TD in ot.
The crowd sucked.

[DoGood]

FN posted a good number.

I called and found out I'm at 60,813. If your contact information has changed (like mine does every three years), address, phone number, email, etc you can fax the new info to 301-276-6001.

As for the increase, I agree with Keino. It looks bad but really isn't if you prepare (budget). Open an extra money market fund and pay into it (direct deposit) a little each paycheck all year.

Or 60,813 of yout's could bail out and I'll get me some tizzles fo shizzle:lol1:

This is me as of January 2004.

Waiting List Position: 128,099

[FootballNorth]

Scalpers certainly do not play any part in the success or failure of the team, except to perhaps prop up ticket prices allowing the team to increase revenues to bring in players and personnel to help create a winner:Peace: .

The facts are there are tens of thousands of Redskins season tickets held by people (who call themselves fans) who have no intention of ever attending a game. They sell their seats to a scalper who pieces them out to game attendees.

The best possible outcome in this inperfect world we live in is for these season ticket holders to either not renew their seats (yeah right) or sell to honest people who charge reasonable prices and would prefer to see them sold to a home town fan to increase the 12th man advantage.

enter: ME :lol1:

Anyone making other suggestions who is a season seat holder had better think pretty hard on what their asking price is going to be if they can't make the Dallas game this year!

[Axegrinder]

I'm all for networking.
There are a lot of people gourging the market and that makes some of the goodguys[our good guys] look bad.
I've had dealings with our members[as far as parking is concerned] and it was fair on both sides.
On that end,I'll have to say thank you!
In their defense,they shouldn't be painted with such a broad brush.

[dj_stouty]

Parking?That's the biggest joke of all.
It's enough to turn people off right there.
How can they possibly rationalize a $10 dollar increase?
It's pathetic!

Well...Danny probably saw people spending upwards of 100 - 120 dollars on ebay for a single green parking pass and decided to squeeze some of the profits from the 3rd party sellers.

[smoak]

LMAO. If the Redskins would never be in for that type of decline, what sizeable part do speculators play in terms of benefit to the team?

Well as a crack dealer, all of my customers are happpy too, and therefore no short sighted government is going to tell me I cannot make a buck from selling crack. I give them crack at the best possible value. Nevermind the LAWS. Laws that you are breaking when you sell Redskins Tickets above face-value. Im sure you're claiming the income at tax time too :rolleyes:

Im not judging you for doing it (Im not saint), but lets not act like you play a pivotal role either way for the team. The absolute best value for event goers is face value. If you are providing tickets above the face value than you are not providing the best value whether they are happy paying your price or not.

While I absolutely agree with you, before I was a season ticket holder, I was willing to pay a little extra for the privledge of being able to go to a game "here and there"(as opposed to buying a tailgate package). So I can see a lottle of the other side as well when single event tickets are not available.

[HanburgerBum]

Is the Redskins Season ticket market driven by speculators? I highly doubt it. The difference between Ticket Scalping and other Speculation (Gold, Real Estate etc.) is those practices are legal and widely considered legitimate, but buying a ticket for an event and then reselling at greater than face value is illegal in most states. Even in States where it is legal, you have to be a licensed broker and you are subject to state regulation and caps on your profits. If you think Speculators becoming disinterested in Redskins season tickets is going to have any impact whatsoever on the Demand for Redskins season tickets, well then you just don't understand the Redskins market as well as you think you do. The team has sold out every year since 1960 something. The demand is there with or without Speculators, and the fact is that speculators drive up prices by decreasing supply.

I don't feel fans should be the only ones buying and using tickets, I feel that the team should be the only Individual/entity proffiting from the sale thereof. The States of Maryland, and Virginia seem to agree with me, as does the District of Columbia.


Keino, I tend to agree with you and dj-Stouty on the ticket price increase. It would be hypocritical on the part of us fans on the one hand to strut around like peacocks about how much revenue our owner Snyder can generate, how much he spends to win (be it on players or coaches) and how some of the other owners do nothing to increase their income, and then on the other hand to complain when Danny takes steps to increase his revenue so that he can continue to spend to win.

True, general admission Redskins tickets are now either approaching $100 or even slightly over that amount. That is a lot of money to attend one game. But, by comparison, I think pro football tickets are the biggest bargain in sports.

A couple of years back, I went to a Caps game and was shocked to find that my mediocre seats cost $45 each. Wizards tickets are undoubtedly more than that. I don't go to baseball games, partly because I am protesting what I consider to be its obscene economic system and partly because I find them boring. I don't even know what the Orioles and the Nats charge, $30? To me, pro football is so far above these other sports, the $100 price tag is cheap by comparison. Also, there are only 10 games to pay for in a year (hopefully 12 this year).

Having said that, I think Dan Snyder needs to be careful that he doesn't stretch a great fan base beyond its capabilities. With now over 90,000 seats at FedEx, with the high prices for tickets (and concessions) and with all the traffic problems getting to and from the game, Skins tickets are, as I see it, readily available. I can't imagine anyone who really wants to go to a Skins game not being able to find tickets. And, I think the so-called long waiting list for season tickets is largely illusory. It wouldn't surpise me if most of those people on the list have left Washington (or earth), are no longer interested, or signed up in the first place on a lark.

Last year, when I couldn't attend a game and offered two tickets free of charge to any neighbor who wished to go, 5 of them turned me down before the 6th person took me up on it. I think Dan is getting dangerously close to the limit of what the market will bear.

[FootballNorth]

Keino, I tend to agree with you and dj-Stouty on the ticket price increase. It would be hypocritical on the part of us fans on the one hand to strut around like peacocks about how much revenue our owner Snyder can generate, how much he spends to win (be it on players or coaches) and how some of the other owners do nothing to increase their income, and then on the other hand to complain when Danny takes steps to increase his revenue so that he can continue to spend to win.

True, general admission Redskins tickets are now either approaching $100 or even slightly over that amount. That is a lot of money to attend one game. But, by comparison, I think pro football tickets are the biggest bargain in sports.

A couple of years back, I went to a Caps game and was shocked to find that my mediocre seats cost $45 each. Wizards tickets are undoubtedly more than that. I don't go to baseball games, partly because I am protesting what I consider to be its obscene economic system and partly because I find them boring. I don't even know what the Orioles and the Nats charge, $30? To me, pro football is so far above these other sports, the $100 price tag is cheap by comparison. Also, there are only 10 games to pay for in a year (hopefully 12 this year).

Having said that, I think Dan Snyder needs to be careful that he doesn't stretch a great fan base beyond its capabilities. With now over 90,000 seats at FedEx, with the high prices for tickets (and concessions) and with all the traffic problems getting to and from the game, Skins tickets are, as I see it, readily available. I can't imagine anyone who really wants to go to a Skins game not being able to find tickets. And, I think the so-called long waiting list for season tickets is largely illusory. It wouldn't surpise me if most of those people on the list have left Washington (or earth), are no longer interested, or signed up in the first place on a lark.

Last year, when I couldn't attend a game and offered two tickets free of charge to any neighbor who wished to go, 5 of them turned me down before the 6th person took me up on it. I think Dan is getting dangerously close to the limit of what the market will bear.

100% agreement here on everything said.

[hail2skins]

Don't get me wrong Axe, Im not affluent. I just think some of us are making a huge deal out of the % when the percentage amounts to what is not a significant amount of money. See my Spacely's Sprockets example......If the Jetsons want a raise I have to raise the price 40% from 10 to 14 bucks.

Im going to trim other areas of my entertainment budget to off-set the difference.All of my friends are affluent. :D

You want to talk about paying for parking, go to a Bears game. You have to pay $75 just to tailgate and that's the lot farthest from the stadium. You want to get close and tailgate, you pay in excess of $100

[RedskinsDave]

I think we can all forget about getting rid of our preseason tickets now. :banghead:

[Dept_of_Defense]

All of my friends are affluent. :D

You want to talk about paying for parking, go to a Bears game. You have to pay $75 just to tailgate and that's the lot farthest from the stadium. You want to get close and tailgate, you pay in excess of $100
Wow, and I thought we were bad here.....

[Keino]

I think we can all forget about getting rid of our preseason tickets now. :banghead:


Do you seriously try to recoup the cost of them? I usually give mine away. This year Im taking my 6 year old daughter to one of the pre-season games, as she has expressed an interest in going to see the Redskins.


Funny Story, before she knew any better, Caila (My daughter) was a fan of the Giants because her favorite color is blue. Last season she professed her love for the Redskins, so we let her eat at the table with us again.....:)

[RedskinsDave]

Do you seriously try to recoup the cost of them? I usually give mine away. This year Im taking my 6 year old daughter to one of the pre-season games, as she has expressed an interest in going to see the Redskins.

I try to get at least half. Giving them away makes Danny's gouge seem even worse.

[BandWagon]

Well it's time for me to chime in....

Comment one: My 16x9 ratio, hi-def replay screens had damn well better be installed now!

Comment two: FedEx field is now 10 years old and definitely NOT a modern state of the art stadium design. That's how/why teams like Detroit and Houston are charging top tier prices. I could argue our facilities don't warrant being in the top 10.

Comment three: We do live in an affluent area, where entertainment of all types is relatively expensive...that probably DOES put us in the top 10.

Comment four: The comments on economics in this thread a generally spot on. However, I believe that the "waiting list" is teetering and I know for a fact there is an extraordinary level of attrition. This is not our mommy and daddy's waiting list...it simply does not take 30 years to get your tickets....despite what the Redskins would want you to believe. Nowhere near as others have demonstrated through the placement improvements in less than 2 years. Which, to me, supports the fact that we are rapidly approaching the aforementioned level where ONLY 92,000 people are willing to pay $XX.XX per ticket.

Comment five: Percentage increases are relative. 40% of 50 bucks has much less of an impact on the budget than 40% or 500 bucks. It's important to keep that in perspective.

Comment six: All personal feelings aside about the replay screens. The Redskins could really win in this deal if there are demonstrable improvements to the facilities. I'm skeptical we'll see that however.

[smoak]

All of my friends are affluent. :D

You want to talk about paying for parking, go to a Bears game. You have to pay $75 just to tailgate and that's the lot farthest from the stadium. You want to get close and tailgate, you pay in excess of $100

Is that what the team charges or is that scalper prices!?

[GolfFreak]

Ugh ... this sucks. They see parking as a cash cow and up that 40% - that's a very steep increase for 1 year.

I figured the seat prices would increase, they didn't last year ... what can we do about it??? Either pay it or forfeit our tickets.

[dj_stouty]

Comment six: All personal feelings aside about the replay screens. The Redskins could really win in this deal if there are demonstrable improvements to the facilities. I'm skeptical we'll see that however.

All good points...but I'd rather have Danny spend top $ on guys like Saunders and Williams or acquiring guys like Moss and Rabach than have a jumbotron. I think we would all prefer to have a better product on the field than have the ability to watch replays.

[hail2skins]

Is that what the team charges or is that scalper prices!?Those are parking prices

[Patrick]

OK forks - here the reality of the situation for me.
My season ticket bill came in yesterday and sure enough all increases were applied.

NOW to start off with - The Redskins DIDN'T even have enough courtesy to enclose a letter of explanation for the price increases. Funny, they always remember to include a note about NO increases. ……….. Percentage wise – it did NOT add up to 40% …… More like 20%. I can hear a few of you now (you know who you are) SEE – that’s not so bad and still worth it to be at the game. ………………….. WELL the cold hard reality of it - $6300+ / year for my season ticket package. ……………Now granted, some of you season ticket holders (at least that what it seems like when reading the posts in this thread) are in a much better financial situation than I [Again – I can hear you saying – Awhhh , Shut Up and quit your complaining. Cost does not matter for a TURE Redskins fan]. …… and find this to be NO problem AND I should just accept it. Price of success – YEAH RIGHT. Well, with a mortgage (and maintaining a house), a kid in college, vehicles, and trying to supplement additional moneys for retirement (something some of you might REALLY get concerned about as you get into your 50’s) – 20% makes a hell of a difference.

I’m sorry to say – unless the Redskins and I can come to a mutual agreement on certain particulars about my account – WE WILL BE PARTING WAYS!!!! …………… And to be honest - the $6300 (I save this year) will buy me an awesome 65” HD something AND a yearly HD signal provider of some format. In addition – in 10 years after this season, I’ll have probably made some better investments with the $70,000+ (you all know that ticket prices will go up at least 3 times by then) I will have saved …………… Just the way I see it AND if this makes me a bad Redskins fan – so be it. ……… The funny thing about that is – I was a Redskins fan before a lot of you were even born (at least those of you who are under 42) – and I DIDN’T have season tickets then.

Sorry – I just had to vent some more – nothing personal! :)

[smoak]

Patrick -

Honestly, I give you a standing ovation for that post, but I hope something can be worked out for you. Bottom line is that the more fans decide to turn down the Redskins, the more they'll have to think twice about doing this sort of thing. The only reason I am not outraged is b/c at least Snyder invests in the team (coaches and players). BUT! Exactly like you said, I have a mortgage, two vehicles, and with all the other rising costs of living, I can relate. Sometimes tough choices have to be made, and the definition of a fan is NOTHING but what is in your heart. Having season tickets or an autographed helmet does not make a person a fan.

[Keino]

Our bill came yesterday as well, and the additional amount totaled $100.00, of course that's because our ticket prices are fixed for the next 5 years.

However, if they had gone up by 20% in real dollars that would mean about $500 bucks. Not enough for me to part ways, but certainly enough for me to be irrritated. I would cut other parts of my entertainment budget, because attending the games is THAT important to me. I'm not going to miss the return of this franchise to greatness.

[RedskinsDave]

So anyone up for starting a petition to demand new big screens?

[Keino]

So anyone up for starting a petition to demand new big screens?

I'd sign it. After 2 games in Raymond James Stadium and seeing their awesome HD, 16X9 Screen we should definately have one.....

[Axegrinder]

I agree with Patrick's assesment.
Having read the posts on other boards,we are in the majority.
There seems to be a groundswell of agreement on this issue and there are a lot of angry ticketholders not planning to re-up.
It's not that we don't want to,we've just been priced out.

[dj_stouty]

OK forks - here the reality of the situation for me.
My season ticket bill came in yesterday and sure enough all increases were applied.

NOW to start off with - The Redskins DIDN'T even have enough courtesy to enclose a letter of explanation for the price increases. Funny, they always remember to include a note about NO increases. ……….. Percentage wise – it did NOT add up to 40% …… More like 20%. I can hear a few of you now (you know who you are) SEE – that’s not so bad and still worth it to be at the game. ………………….. WELL the cold hard reality of it - $6300+ / year for my season ticket package. ……………Now granted, some of you season ticket holders (at least that what it seems like when reading the posts in this thread) are in a much better financial situation than I [Again – I can hear you saying – Awhhh , Shut Up and quit your complaining. Cost does not matter for a TURE Redskins fan]. …… and find this to be NO problem AND I should just accept it. Price of success – YEAH RIGHT. Well, with a mortgage (and maintaining a house), a kid in college, vehicles, and trying to supplement additional moneys for retirement (something some of you might REALLY get concerned about as you get into your 50’s) – 20% makes a hell of a difference.

I’m sorry to say – unless the Redskins and I can come to a mutual agreement on certain particulars about my account – WE WILL BE PARTING WAYS!!!! …………… And to be honest - the $6300 (I save this year) will buy me an awesome 65” HD something AND a yearly HD signal provider of some format. In addition – in 10 years after this season, I’ll have probably made some better investments with the $70,000+ (you all know that ticket prices will go up at least 3 times by then) I will have saved …………… Just the way I see it AND if this makes me a bad Redskins fan – so be it. ……… The funny thing about that is – I was a Redskins fan before a lot of you were even born (at least those of you who are under 42) – and I DIDN’T have season tickets then.

Sorry – I just had to vent some more – nothing personal! :)

$6,300 is an awful lot of money...but how much were you paying before the increase? $5,250? That is still an awful lot of money, but I know that your seats are fantastic and you also receive additional benefits. Have you thought about asking to be placed back in the upper level on the 50? Doing that would save you $3,000...and you could still get an HD television & programing with the savings.

[BandWagon]

All good points...but I'd rather have Danny spend top $ on guys like Saunders and Williams or acquiring guys like Moss and Rabach than have a jumbotron. I think we would all prefer to have a better product on the field than have the ability to watch replays.
I'm operating under the assumption that that's already being done (spending top $, is it not?), so new monies above those currently being spent should be spent on fan amenities...that would make me feel much better about the rate hike.

[BandWagon]

I'd sign it. After 2 games in Raymond James Stadium and seeing their awesome HD, 16X9 Screen we should definately have one.....
Somebody is singing my tune!!!

[DoGood]

Sorry for being off topic, but I do not have enough posts yet to start a thread and I am bursting with pride:



(answer: 8-6 Canada)

Please don't post like that.

[whistleandthumb]

Sorry for being off topic, but I do not have enough posts yet to start a thread and I am bursting with pride:

And THIS would be the reason such rules have been set by the owners. And I would like to take this moment to thank them, again, for installing such rules.

[FootballNorth]

Sorry Guys. Didn't know it was such a problem. Off-topic posting deleted by myself.

[Axegrinder]

Great job guys. :awesomewo This is how the board is supposed to work.
You guys policed yourselves and you did the right things afterward.
Props to Whistle,Do Good, and to FootballNorth.
Good teamwork!

[Patrick]

$6,300 is an awful lot of money...but how much were you paying before the increase? $5,250? That is still an awful lot of money, but I know that your seats are fantastic and you also receive additional benefits. Have you thought about asking to be placed back in the upper level on the 50? Doing that would save you $3,000...and you could still get an HD television & programing with the savings.

I haven't given up YET .......... Here's my problem.
I started out in the upper deck with two tickets. Section 430, row 19 - not bad
Second year I was contacted about additional season tickets. Found that unusual because of the number of people on the waiting list but was told it was a one time offer and could get up to six more season ticket. I could only afford two. This offer also included relocation but my tickets would be split. Section 431 Row 11 & Row 9 (2 seats in each row). Closer toward the end zone but moved down - So pretty decent seats.

4th year I was contacted again about relocation to the Lower Section and having my seats all together. I was a little concern about the view of the field being flatten (compared to the upper level) but the agent assured me he could get me in back row - Section 104 Row 29 - This was AWESOME. BUT OF course the seats would go up in price - but that was only $20/seat ...... AND to get this offer I had to join the TailGate Club. This was where things get costly. ...... Tailgate membership was $45/game or $1800/seaon (all 4). In addition there was a one time joining fee of $1275.

What I'm going to attempt to do is have them drop my Tailgate membership, which is now at $2040. If that's happens - NO problems and I'll renew my tickets ......... BUT ................THE catch is -the Redskins have stated that they have the right to relocate you anywhere of their choosing if you drop the Tailgate Club Membership ............. See the potential of getting really SCREWED.

And to be honest with you - I'm really not willing to give up my seat location! I figure for the $6000+ they have soaked me for on that TGC crap - I should be able to retain my seating.

Stay tune .............................

[RedskinsDave]

AH Patrick, that tailgate club thing is Danny's way of skipping over the waiting list.

[Keino]

AH Patrick, that tailgate club thing is Danny's way of skipping over the waiting list.

Well that and adding to the Premium Seats, revenue that he doesn't have to share under the current CBA. Not sure how this revenue is treated under new CBA.

[monkr]

http://washingtontimes.com/sports/2...22915-5891r.htm

Snyder, Redskins just doing business
By Tom Knott
March 8, 2006


Dan Snyder has an obligation to maximize the profit-margin line of the Washington Redskins.That is what those in business do. They are forever taking the pulse of the marketplace and determining where they can wrest further profits from the operation.

The trick is to forge a balance between cost and demand, which Snyder has managed well in his stewardship of the Redskins. He undoubtedly overreached in the personnel end of the team in his first few years, but he has turned the Redskins into one of the most valuable franchises in all of sports.The latest ticket hike of the Redskins is hardly surprising after the team made the playoffs last season. Teams, like other businesses, raise prices to remain competitive. If not, they suffer the consequences.Price hikes are inevitable in professional sports. What seems outrageous today will appear to be a bargain in the years ahead.

Those expressing displeasure with the latest profit-making move of the Redskins are missing a fundamental point of the fan/team relationship. They do not have to buy what this business is peddling, not unless they are being ordered to renew their season tickets at gunpoint.If they genuinely believe the product is not worth the increase, they have a fairly persuasive recourse. They do not have to make the journey to the bowl by the Beltway eight times in the fall.They can stay home and watch the game on television. Or they can adopt a new entertainment diversion.

That is all any game is, a momentary diversion. At the end of the game, win or lose, you still have the same bills, the same responsibilities and the same problems

[monkr]

National Football League: 2005

TMR's exclusive Fan Cost Index survey, now in its 13th year, tracks the cost of attendance for a family of four. The FCI includes: four average-price tickets; four small soft drinks; two small beers; four hot dogs; two game programs; parking; and two adult-size caps.

You can navigate to older FCI surveys by clicking on the gold arrows to the left or right of the year listed above.

TEAM Avg. Ticket % Change Prem. Avg. Ticket Ticket Rank Beer (oz.) Soda (oz.) Hot
Dog Parking Program Cap FCI % Change
NEW ENGLAND $90.89 20.66% $566.67 1 $5.50 16 $3.50 22 $3.50 $35.00 $5.00 $14.95 $477.47 14.99%
WASHINGTON $67.53 -0.91% $170.23 6 $7.00 20 $5.00 22 $5.00 $25.00 $5.00 $14.95 $389.01 1.70%
NY GIANTS $71.59 7.39% $118.51 2 $6.25 16 $3.50 20 $3.75 $15.00 $5.00 $17.99 $388.85 5.34%
NY JETS $71.32 7.42% $306.08 3 $6.25 16 $3.50 20 $3.75 $15.00 $5.00 $17.99 $387.74 5.35%
CHICAGO $68.89 5.08% $284.75 4 $5.25 16 $3.50 20 $3.50 $20.00 $5.00 $19.99 $384.04 3.74%
TAMPA BAY $63.59 7.08% $242.43 12 $4.25 12 $3.75 12 $3.75 $25.00 $5.00 $18.00 $363.85 5.92%
MINNESOTA $67.94 10.23% n/a 5 $4.00 16 $2.50 16 $3.00 $10.00 $5.00 $19.99 $361.72 7.17%
KANSAS CITY $66.49 0.00% $80.00 7 $3.75 14 $2.25 14 $3.50 $18.00 $5.00 $18.00 $360.46 0.00%
BALTIMORE $62.01 16.93% $203.58 13 $7.00 24 $5.00 32 $4.00 $25.00 n/a $14.00 $351.04 11.4%
PHILADELPHIA $66.09 6.75% $199.89 9 $5.50 24 $3.00 21 $4.00 $10.00 $5.00 $13.00 $349.35 3.16%
DENVER $63.94 4.51% $235.61 11 $5.00 16 $3.00 14 $4.25 $20.00 $5.00 $12.00 $348.76 2.06%
SAN FRANCISCO $64.00 0.0% $0.00 10 $5.00 14 $2.00 12 $3.50 $25.00 $5.00 $12.00 $347.00 -8.80%
DALLAS $66.20 24.76.% $226.13 8 $5.00 16 $3.50 32 $3.50 $12.00 $5.00 $10.00 $344.78 17.98%
HOUSTON $56.73 5.48% $237.32 19 $6.00 21 $3.25 21 $5.00 $15.00 $5.00 $20.00 $336.90 5.17%
ST LOUIS $60.92 5.29% $154.11 14 $7.00 24 $3.00 14 $3.00 $15.00 $5.00 $15.00 $336.68 0.71%
OAKLAND $58.89 0.0% $109.05 17 $4.50 14 $2.50 14 $3.00 $15.00 $7.00 $17.99 $331.53 0.0%
INDIANAPOLIS $60.06 10.51% $164.00 15 $6.00 24 $4.00 32 $3.00 $10.00 $5.00 $14.95 $330.15 7.43%
LEAGUE AVERAGE $58.95 7.88% $176.26 - $5.52 17.5 $3.22 19.6 $3.53 $16.31 $4.53 $15.30 $329.82 5.64%

http://www.teammarketing.com/fci.cf...=fci_nfl_05.cfm

[monkr]

This increase doesn't affect me personally ( i get my tickets for free ) but,
Its a business move, and a smart one. While im sure a lot of people are going to be upset with it, as people will be whenever prices on anything rise it makes sense. Since there are so many people that want Redskins season tickets, if he raises the price of a ticket section, he increases per ticket revenue, without selling less tickets. People that no longer want to pay that much will leave and the tickets will be bought by people who have been waiting to get them. Im sure people would like the tickets to remain cheap, but to consider the massive demand for them, and that this is only a portion of tickets(lower bowl) it doesnt make a whole lot of sense in ANY market to not raise the price.

[Keino]

Hey monkr...Any chance you can clean that post-up to make it more legible. Also listing the most expensive to least expensive would add some much needed perspective.

[Axegrinder]

This increase doesn't affect me personally ( i get my tickets for free ) but,
Its a business move, and a smart one. While im sure a lot of people are going to be upset with it, as people will be whenever prices on anything rise it makes sense. Since there are so many people that want Redskins season tickets, if he raises the price of a ticket section, he increases per ticket revenue, without selling less tickets. People that no longer want to pay that much will leave and the tickets will be bought by people who have been waiting to get them. Im sure people would like the tickets to remain cheap, but to consider the massive demand for them, and that this is only a portion of tickets(lower bowl) it doesnt make a whole lot of sense in ANY market to not raise the price.
The turnover rate in tickets is growing.
He's outpricing his fanbase.
Sure there will be a lot of people filling the vacuum,but it won't last.
If you think about it,we're not paying for the Redskins anymore.We're paying for the small market teams now.

[dj_stouty]

He's outpricing his fanbase.

This would be true if the Skins were still going on 5 years without a playoff birth. If Gibbs makes this team a perennial playoff contender like many of us believe he will, the potential fanbase to fill Fed Ex will grow, despite the increase in tickets.

People like to play to see winners. For some; even more than they can afford.

[monkr]

Hey monkr...Any chance you can clean that post-up to make it more legible. Also listing the most expensive to least expensive would add some much needed perspective.

ya sure you don't want anymore drinks with that ?

:rolleyes:

[monkr]

The Redskins have apparently made the decision to support the new CBA, which means they will be giving up millions in local revenue to other teams in smaller markets.
Thus, these price hikes are intended to help offset that lost revenue, allowing Snyder to support the new CBA without hurting our ability to sign players.

[dj_stouty]

ya sure you don't want anymore drinks with that ?

:rolleyes:

Keino's request is a legitimate one. Your stats are simply unreadable.

[monkr]

Keino's request is a legitimate one. Your stats are simply unreadable.

how 'bout adjusting YOUR " text size " ?

now, i think, . . . i'll have another drink :rolleyes:

[HAWGZHEAD]

how 'bout adjusting YOUR " text size " ?

now, i think, . . . i'll have another drink :rolleyes:Nice attitude :twak:

[monkr]

Nice attitude :twak:

:beer:

[Keino]

ya sure you don't want anymore drinks with that ?

:rolleyes:

Geezuuuuuuus.

The Font Size has nothing to do with it. Everything is jumbled together. You've posted what appears to be an insightful post, but that does no good if the insight provided cannot be understood by those who would like to read it.

I was asking as a poster, not as a Mod, but to hell with it, I will try and clean it up when I get home and have some time.

[dj_stouty]

how 'bout adjusting YOUR " text size " ?

now, i think, . . . i'll have another drink :rolleyes:

There is nothing wrong with my text size.

You are treading on thin ice, missy.

[Patrick]

The turnover rate in tickets is growing.
He's outpricing his fanbase.
Sure there will be a lot of people filling the vacuum,but it won't last.
If you think about it,we're not paying for the Redskins anymore.We're paying for the small market teams now.

As of last night ............. an excellent point!!!

[Keino]

As of last night ............. an excellent point!!!

Not really. 40% of our gate always was shared with the rest of the league. I haven't heard the particulars as to what is defined as "Shared Revenue" for CBA extension, but in either case, the gate was always shared.

[smoak]

Not really. 40% of our gate always was shared with the rest of the league. I haven't heard the particulars as to what is defined as "Shared Revenue" for CBA extension, but in either case, the gate was always shared.

BUT! Now there si a flat fee from not shared revenue (parking, tailgate club, etc) that goes to a fund to bail out the weenie owners who do not know how to make money.

[Keino]

BUT! Now there si a flat fee from not shared revenue (parking, tailgate club, etc) that goes to a fund to bail out the weenie owners who do not know how to make money.

Okay but the point remains that the tickets (Gate revenue) was always shared.

So what we are talking about is an extra $100 per season for Parking pass owners.

[Skinsfan1311]

I haven't given up YET.

AND to get this offer I had to join the TailGate Club. This was where things get costly. ...... Tailgate membership was $45/game or $1800/seaon (all 4). In addition there was a one time joining fee of $1275.

THE catch is -the Redskins have stated that they have the right to relocate you anywhere of their choosing if you drop the Tailgate Club Membership ............. See the potential of getting really SCREWED.

And to be honest with you - I'm really not willing to give up my seat location! I figure for the $6000+ they have soaked me for on that TGC crap - I should be able to retain my seating.

Stay tune .............................

I hope it works out for you, but I'd be very surprised if it did. The lure,(catch), for getting those sweet seats was joining the tailgate club. I got the same offer that you did, and decided that I would love the seats, but not the fact that I had to join the tailgate club,(a big ripoff, IMO), for the privilege. Anyone can join the tailgate club and get good seats.

If I knew that I could pay a "one-time fee" of a couple of grand, get great for lower-bowl seats, then quit the club but keep the seats, I would do it right now, and I'm sure I'm not not the only one. It sounds like you know the terms and conditions, for getting, and keeping, those nice seats; now you want to change them.

With all due respect, why should you keep those seats, for a couple of grand less, while the other fans have to pay it?

Also, as an upper-level ticket-holder, I hope that they do not give the "relocated lower-bowl ticket-holders" the primo seats in the uppers. While I feel that they should have priority over fans off the wait-list, the current upper-bowl denizens should get upgraded first. IMHO of course.

Again, Patrick, I hope it works out for you. Good Luck

[Axegrinder]

The Skins are one of the top 5 out of 15,so we're paying the most to the smaller markets.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/9293654
Under the new deal, the bottom 17 teams in revenue will not contribute to the pool, which will be funded with the top five teams contributing the most; the second five less; and the third five less than them.

While tickets may not be directly diverted to the cba,we are absorbing Snyders costs in supporting the other 17 teams.

[smoak]

Okay but the point remains that the tickets (Gate revenue) was always shared.

So what we are talking about is an extra $100 per season for Parking pass owners.

In terms of revenue that will now be shared? Yes, $100 * 25,000 vehicles (the estimate may be high, but I am guessing) is $2.5MM plus the tailgate, consessions, merchandise and other unshared revenue generated thabks to the 92,000 dedicated Skins fans (and that one moronic dallass fan).

I don't question Snyder's opportunity to make money. I just think he is pricing some of us out of the market.

[Patrick]

I hope it works out for you, but I'd be very surprised if it did. The lure,(catch), for getting those sweet seats was joining the tailgate club. I got the same offer that you did, and decided that I would love the seats, but not the fact that I had to join the tailgate club,(a big ripoff, IMO), for the privilege. Anyone can join the tailgate club and get good seats.

If I knew that I could pay a "one-time fee" of a couple of grand, get great for lower-bowl seats, then quit the club but keep the seats, I would do it right now, and I'm sure I'm not not the only one. It sounds like you know the terms and conditions, for getting, and keeping, those nice seats; now you want to change them.

With all due respect, why should you keep those seats, for a couple of grand less, while the other fans have to pay it?

Also, as an upper-level ticket-holder, I hope that they do not give the "relocated lower-bowl ticket-holders" the primo seats in the uppers. While I feel that they should have priority over fans off the wait-list, the current upper-bowl denizens should get upgraded first. IMHO of course.
Again, Patrick, I hope it works out for you. Good Luck

I understand where you are coming from BUT I also do not feel I should be penalized because I've decided to drop my TG membership. At the very least I should be able to get equal to or better than seats than I had when I was located in the upper section AND I'll even say better because I was on file for upgrading my location every year.

[HanburgerBum]

OK forks - here the reality of the situation for me.
My season ticket bill came in yesterday and sure enough all increases were applied.

NOW to start off with - The Redskins DIDN'T even have enough courtesy to enclose a letter of explanation for the price increases. Funny, they always remember to include a note about NO increases. ……….. Percentage wise – it did NOT add up to 40% …… More like 20%. I can hear a few of you now (you know who you are) SEE – that’s not so bad and still worth it to be at the game. ………………….. WELL the cold hard reality of it - $6300+ / year for my season ticket package. ……………Now granted, some of you season ticket holders (at least that what it seems like when reading the posts in this thread) are in a much better financial situation than I [Again – I can hear you saying – Awhhh , Shut Up and quit your complaining. Cost does not matter for a TURE Redskins fan]. …… and find this to be NO problem AND I should just accept it. Price of success – YEAH RIGHT. Well, with a mortgage (and maintaining a house), a kid in college, vehicles, and trying to supplement additional moneys for retirement (something some of you might REALLY get concerned about as you get into your 50’s) – 20% makes a hell of a difference.

I’m sorry to say – unless the Redskins and I can come to a mutual agreement on certain particulars about my account – WE WILL BE PARTING WAYS!!!! …………… And to be honest - the $6300 (I save this year) will buy me an awesome 65” HD something AND a yearly HD signal provider of some format. In addition – in 10 years after this season, I’ll have probably made some better investments with the $70,000+ (you all know that ticket prices will go up at least 3 times by then) I will have saved …………… Just the way I see it AND if this makes me a bad Redskins fan – so be it. ……… The funny thing about that is – I was a Redskins fan before a lot of you were even born (at least those of you who are under 42) – and I DIDN’T have season tickets then.

Sorry – I just had to vent some more – nothing personal! :)


I won't criticize Dan Snyder for raising prices, because he is willing to spend to win. But, I am concerned whether he is stretching this great fan base beyond its limits. If an ardent fan like you is considering giving your season tickets, there must be a lot more fans doing the same.

I hope it never gets to the situation where the stadium does not sell out and TV gets blacked out. I remember the old days of having to travel to Fredericksberg or beyond if I wanted to catch the Skins on TV (from a Richmond station).

[superskin]

I'll admit that I didnt read every post in this thread, only because I would go dizzy with all of the formulas regarding revenue-sharing, increase percentages, etc. But I do know this - I love this franchise with everything I have. I feel extremely privilaged to have witnessed Gibbs first go around as a teenager, only to experience the sheer drama and excitement that he has given us thus far in the "second-coming", and all of it LIVE and IN PERSON to boot.

I think this quote from the Washington Times says it best:

"This is par for the course," said season-ticket holder Jan Power of Davidsonville, Md. "I spend more money going to the movies and getting the concessions, and I have 100 percent more fun at Redskins games. I get the biggest bang for the buck by going to see the Redskins. Would I like it to be cheaper? Yes, but I can't think of anything I get more joy out of."

Wow. How simple and true. I think about how I feel at 12:57 pm on a crisp and clear Sunday...the American Flag unfurled on the field, Gibb's face on the jumbotron lipping the National Anthem, a divisional foe on the other sideline, and butterflies in the stomachs of 92,000 fans as we ponder what is at stake.

Man, suddenly the additional money seems so secondary. There is absolutely no herb, medicine, or drug in this world that will give you the emotional trip that attending 8 Redskins home games does - period. For me, THAT is the elixir that makes the price increase go down alot easier.

[Skinsfan1311]

I understand where you are coming from BUT I also do not feel I should be penalized because I've decided to drop my TG membership. At the very least I should be able to get equal to or better than seats than I had when I was located in the upper section AND I'll even say better because I was on file for upgrading my location every year.

Gonna have to agree to disagree with you on that one.
"Equal" ? Maybe.
"Better?" No.

Why should those of us who have been waiting just as long, or longer for upgrades be penalized? I'm on file for upgrading my location every year too. Should your request get priority over mine, or anyone elses?

You made the decision to pay premium dollars for leaping over everyone for those choice seats. Part of that process was giving up your older seats. W

Now that you can't, or won't, pay the premium any longer, you seem to think it's o.k. to get equal to, or better than seats, at others expense.

Please don't misunderstand me, I'm not trying to call you out, or be a jerk about it. If you take a look at my posting history you'll see that the majority of most of my posts are pretty lame, and definitely not argumentative.

I'm an infrequent poster, and I typically lurk, but don't post in these types of threads. This particular subject hits a nerve, and I felt compelled to post.

I truly hope it works out for you. Good Luck!

[Patrick]

I'll admit that I didnt read every post in this thread, only because I would go dizzy with all of the formulas regarding revenue-sharing, increase percentages, etc. But I do know this - I love this franchise with everything I have. I feel extremely privilaged to have witnessed Gibbs first go around as a teenager, only to experience the sheer drama and excitement that he has given us thus far in the "second-coming", and all of it LIVE and IN PERSON to boot.

I think this quote from the Washington Times says it best:

"This is par for the course," said season-ticket holder Jan Power of Davidsonville, Md. "I spend more money going to the movies and getting the concessions, and I have 100 percent more fun at Redskins games. I get the biggest bang for the buck by going to see the Redskins. Would I like it to be cheaper? Yes, but I can't think of anything I get more joy out of."

Wow. How simple and true. I think about how I feel at 12:57 pm on a crisp and clear Sunday...the American Flag unfurled on the field, Gibb's face on the jumbotron lipping the National Anthem, a divisional foe on the other sideline, and butterflies in the stomachs of 92,000 fans as we ponder what is at stake.

Man, suddenly the additional money seems so secondary. There is absolutely no herb, medicine, or drug in this world that will give you the emotional trip that attending 8 Redskins home games does - period. For me, THAT is the elixir that makes the price increase go down alot easier.
SuperSkins....... It is comforting to know that IF I'm not able to maintain my season tickets that there will be many like you (well almost – there NO one like you) at FEDEX that share my passion for the Skins, who I loved since the 60's, SCREAMING their butts off in support of the greatest team in the NFL. ...... BUT for me it has to come down to priorities (family first - sorry) and the reality of the situation ($$$)…………
AND if by chance I'm no longer able to be at the games - every time I see you on my 65"HDTV,
I'll PROUDLY say - Hey, THAT guy IS the real deal and he's a friend of mine.

[Keino]

In terms of revenue that will now be shared? Yes, $100 * 25,000 vehicles (the estimate may be high, but I am guessing) is $2.5MM plus the tailgate, consessions, merchandise and other unshared revenue generated thabks to the 92,000 dedicated Skins fans (and that one moronic dallass fan).

I don't question Snyder's opportunity to make money. I just think he is pricing some of us out of the market.

While at the same time maintaining his ability to be competetive in the F/A Market and maintaining the ability to overpay coaches so that we have the best staff.

Lets not forget that Snyder Dumped millions of his own money into improving the stadium experience for us too. THe house that Jack Built is nothing like Fed-Ex today, and Snyder deserves that credit.

[Patrick]

Gonna have to agree to disagree with you on that one.
"Equal" ? Maybe.
"Better?" No.

Why should those of us who have been waiting just as long, or longer for upgrades be penalized? I'm on file for upgrading my location every year too. Should your request get priority over mine, or anyone elses?

You made the decision to pay premium dollars for leaping over everyone for those choice seats. Part of that process was giving up your older seats. W

Now that you can't, or won't, pay the premium any longer, you seem to think it's o.k. to get equal to, or better than seats, at others expense.

Please don't misunderstand me, I'm not trying to call you out, or be a jerk about it. If you take a look at my posting history you'll see that the majority of most of my posts are pretty lame, and definitely not argumentative.

I'm an infrequent poster, and I typically lurk, but don't post in these types of threads. This particular subject hits a nerve, and I felt compelled to post.

I truly hope it works out for you. Good Luck!

I understand you completely. AND happy you are compelled to post - good discussion is what makes hR the great place it is.
AND believe me - the last thing I want to do is screw someone over who waiting for seat upgrade - the Redskin Ticket Office MORE than takes care of that - IF you know what I mean.
I hope they are willing to work with me - and if not so be it. Not going to stop me from being the fan I alway have been. Just means I'll be sometimes taking up some of the offers I've had for tickets. :)

[70chip-on-1]

2 guys where I work just got their bill the other day, and they are done. Both make good money and have been season ticket holders for 25+ YEARS! But its too painful. I don't blame em either. When I saw their bill for the season package, my jaw dropped to the floor. These new prices are easily going to knock alot of long timers outta the game.
They are real big fans that get loud and usually show up Monday real hoarse.

Jeeez... You think there are too many lame corp pukes hangin out sittin on their hands?? just wait.

I told em to do what I do... buy a nosebleed single outside the stadium right before gametime for ~$20. Go grab some no-show corporate schmuck's seat in the lower bowl somewhere inside the 20s.. sure its musical chairs for the first quarter, but it works for me everytime.

[Skinsfan1311]

I understand you completely. AND happy you are compelled to post - good discussion is what makes hR the great place it is.
AND believe me - the last thing I want to do is screw someone over who waiting for seat upgrade - the Redskin Ticket Office MORE than takes care of that - IF you know what I mean.
I hope they are willing to work with me - and if not so be it. Not going to stop me from being the fan I alway have been. Just means I'll be sometimes taking up some of the offers I've had for tickets. :)

Yeah Man...thanks! If you want to feel better about the situation, do what I did.....read, and re-read superskins post a few times..... Good Luck!

[Axegrinder]

I'm going to reiterate something that I've read elsewhere[my apologies to the author].This sums up my feelings.
"I feel as though I've been kicked in the groin with a pair of steeltoed shoes".

[skins lady]

I'm going to reiterate something that I've read elsewhere[my apologies to the author].This sums up my feelings.
"I feel as though I've been kicked in the groin with a pair of steeltoed shoes".
What is up with you're avatar? Why stinky shoes all of a sudden?

[Axegrinder]

What is up with you're avatar? Why stinky shoes all of a sudden?
It's stinkyfeet week in AvatarLand!:)

[FootballNorth]

You gotta love the "Prince George's County Admission and Amusement Tax" don't you. Kind of gives me a warm fuzzy!

[BandWagon]

While at the same time maintaining his ability to be competetive in the F/A Market and maintaining the ability to overpay coaches so that we have the best staff.

Lets not forget that Snyder Dumped millions of his own money into improving the stadium experience for us too. THe house that Jack Built is nothing like Fed-Ex today, and Snyder deserves that credit.
Keino, mate! Mind filling me in on some of those details? I've been a ticket holder for 4 years, going on 5...and have been to numerous games at RFK. I have a long wish list of improvements to the stadium experience...perhaps you can make me feel better about my complaints? Not sure I'm seeing it....

[redskin_rich]

Keino, mate! Mind filling me in on some of those details? I've been a ticket holder for 4 years, going on 5...and have been to numerous games at RFK. I have a long wish list of improvements to the stadium experience...perhaps you can make me feel better about my complaints? Not sure I'm seeing it....
Mainly on the club level, it was just a concrete breezeway until Snyder bought the team and stadium. He spent around 30 million enclosing the club level and furnishing it. General seating people may say, big deal but for what club seat owners were paying, it was appreciated.

[Keino]

Keino, mate! Mind filling me in on some of those details? I've been a ticket holder for 4 years, going on 5...and have been to numerous games at RFK. I have a long wish list of improvements to the stadium experience...perhaps you can make me feel better about my complaints? Not sure I'm seeing it....

Did you go to any games in 1997 when the stadium opened? If so, can you honestly say it is remotely the same stadium?

[BandWagon]

Did you go to any games in 1997 when the stadium opened? If so, can you honestly say it is remotely the same stadium?
Not in 97. I think my first was in 2000. Specifics?

[Axegrinder]

Mainly on the club level, it was just a concrete breezeway until Snyder bought the team and stadium. He spent around 30 million enclosing the club level and furnishing it. General seating people may say, big deal but for what club seat owners were paying, it was appreciated.
Overall,it's useless to the majority who can't even get a chickenwing from Hooters.
It's nice to know that he's taking care of the highdollar seats though.
They're the fans he wants.

[redskin_rich]

Overall,it's useless to the majority who can't even get a chickenwing from Hooters.
It's nice to know that he's taking care of the highdollar seats though.
They're the fans he wants.
He didn't build the stadium or set the prices initially. What the club seat owners were getting at 300% more in price was ridiculous. Snyder upgraded that immediately.
As for the rest of the stadium, he put in escalaters to the upper deck, he put in wind screens around the top ring and he did some cosmetic improvements (painting the concrete between levels burgundy and gold and changing the padding around the field wall to burgundy, it was green originally).
There may be more but those are the improvements that I know about.

[Axegrinder]

He didn't build the stadium or set the prices initially. What the club seat owners were getting at 300% more in price was ridiculous. Snyder upgraded that immediately.
As for the rest of the stadium, he put in escalaters to the upper deck, he put in wind screens around the top ring and he did some cosmetic improvements (painting the concrete between levels burgundy and gold and changing the padding around the field wall to burgundy, it was green originally).
There may be more but those are the improvements that I know about.
With the exception of the the escalater,it sounds like lipstick and nail polish.

[redskin_rich]

With the exception of the the escalater,it sounds like lipstick and nail polish.
I do think the wind screen is appreciated by the patrons in the last row of the upper deck.

Anyway, I was just answering BandWagon's questions about the improvements.

[BandWagon]

With the exception of the the escalater,it sounds like lipstick and nail polish.
How about something like, um, say....

http://www.panstadia.com/vol5/54-028a1.jpg

[santanadasavior]

How about something like, um, say....

http://www.panstadia.com/vol5/54-028a1.jpg

Isn't that M&T Bank Stadium? Unless you're suggesting we get a big screen I'm confused.

[BandWagon]

I do think the wind screen is appreciated by the patrons in the last row of the upper deck.

Anyway, I was just answering BandWagon's questions about the improvements.
Thanks man, I appreciate it. I remember when the fencing got "faced" up there. I think it was 2002 or 03. Seemed to a make difference to me...my Sherpa's appreciated it too.

[BandWagon]

Isn't that M&T Bank Stadium? Unless you're suggesting we get a big screen I'm confused.
Suggesting is exactly what I'm doing....well...lobbying actually.

[santanadasavior]

Suggesting is exactly what I'm doing....well...lobbying actually.

I honestly don't see the point. I mean it's nice, but I think the screens we have are sufficient. I would rather have them spend the money on some more sound directing fans. I think that would help our team a little more.

[BandWagon]

I honestly don't see the point. I mean it's nice, but I think the screens we have are sufficient. I would rather have them spend the money on some more sound directing fans. I think that would help our team a little more.
Where do you sit? And my point is rather simple. If you're a top tier team in pricing you should provide a top tier fan experience. Would anyone argue with that? I would guess and with a little Googling I could know for sure, that we have one of the most out-dated scoreboard replay systems in the league. We now have a second-generation stadium and I'd like to see some upgrades. BTW, from Section 402, I find the screens extremely small and inadequate.

[DoGood]

I honestly don't see the point. I mean it's nice, but I think the screens we have are sufficient. I would rather have them spend the money on some more sound directing fans. I think that would help our team a little more.

Sound directing fans? What is that. If it has anything to do with artificial noise, I hate it.

[Axegrinder]

I do think the wind screen is appreciated by the patrons in the last row of the upper deck.

Anyway, I was just answering BandWagon's questions about the improvements.
I'm not disageeing with you,but I am not exactly overwhelmed with the smoke and mirrors.
I know about the windscreen[verywell]:) and I can probably add a few more items,such as additional vendors and liquor bars.
My arguement is that he's raised more than enough to redo this stadium.
He has naming rights,sponsorships,commercials,signs....advertisi ng galore.
What's the problem?Why stick it to the seasonticket holders?
I might be a little more acceptable when everybody has parking.

[santanadasavior]

Where do you sit?

I've been to one game and I sat behind the away bench about 20 rows back. (Just for clarification I meant fans as in wind not people.)

[santanadasavior]

Sound directing fans? What is that. If it has anything to do with artificial noise, I hate it.

It was a joke. I kinda made it up. My idea was like fans (things that blow air) at the top of the stadium directing all the noise right to the helmets of the offensive linemen. It was a joke.

[redskin_rich]

I might be a little more acceptable when everybody has parking.
The thing that really pisses me off about the parking is all the spots designated to the orange (club) lot. I see dozens of empty spots, every game, in these lots. They might fill up late --it wouldn't surprise me-- but It seems like a waste to me and denying the true, diehard, tailgating fans.
RFK was first come, first serve and that is the way it should always be, IMO.

[DoGood]

It was a joke. I kinda made it up. My idea was like fans (things that blow air) at the top of the stadium directing all the noise right to the helmets of the offensive linemen. It was a joke.

Oh my bad. I have great contempt for any noise amplification systems. The milwaukee bucks and boston celtics have it and it might be one of the things I hate most EVER. That and people who drive in the rain without their headlights.

[santanadasavior]

The thing that really pisses me off about the parking is all the spots designated to the orange (club) lot. I see dozens of empty spots, every game, in these lots. They might fill up late --it wouldn't surprise me-- but It seems like a waste to me and denying the true, diehard, tailgating fans.
RFK was first come, first serve and that is the way it should always be, IMO.

Amen brother. The earlier you get there the more the Redskins mean to you. That should be taken into consideration. If you can't get there because of prior arrangements, go the night before and cone off a parking spot.

[santanadasavior]

Oh my bad. I have great contempt for any noise amplification systems. The milwaukee bucks and boston celtics have it and it might be one of the things I hate most EVER. That and people who drive in the rain without their headlights.

No problem. I just think that there should be some more either useful to the team things or more comfort for the fans things added before the big screen.

[BandWagon]

The thing that really pisses me off about the parking is all the spots designated to the orange (club) lot. I see dozens of empty spots, every game, in these lots. They might fill up late --it wouldn't surprise me-- but It seems like a waste to me and denying the true, diehard, tailgating fans.
RFK was first come, first serve and that is the way it should always be, IMO.Oh boy brother...you're singing another one of my tunes...

[BandWagon]

I'm not disageeing with you,but I am not exactly overwhelmed with the smoke and mirrors.
I know about the windscreen[verywell]:) and I can probably add a few more items,such as additional vendors and liquor bars.
My arguement is that he's raised more than enough to redo this stadium.
He has naming rights,sponsorships,commercials,signs....advertisi ng galore.
What's the problem?Why stick it to the seasonticket holders?
I might be a little more acceptable when everybody has parking.
Axegrinder...how about cup holders? I've been in other stadiums where general admission seats all had cup holders...seems pretty simple, but a HUGE convenience...

This pic just makes me sad...what a waste on a horrible team..kinda like the Giants getting a home playoff game this year. We should buy this from them off eBay... http://www.kansasviking.com/imagesstadiums/reliantstadium22.JPG

[santanadasavior]

Oh boy brother...you're singing another one of my tunes...

We can take them down, I know we can. I just don't have any discerable plan.

[santanadasavior]

Axegrinder...how about cup holders? I've been in other stadiums where general admission seats all had cup holders...seems pretty simple, but a HUGE convenience...

It would be great. I was sitting really close to the field when I went and there were no cupholders. I am ashamed to say that I was unable to participate in the 12th man for the first quarter after indulging in a 75847436897436 oz. Coke.

[santanadasavior]

This pic just makes me sad...what a waste on a horrible team..kinda like the Giants getting a home playoff game this year. We should buy this from them off eBay... http://www.kansasviking.com/imagesstadiums/reliantstadium22.JPG

That's just wrong. Why must he spite us?

[BandWagon]

It would be great. I was sitting really close to the field when I went and there were no cupholders. I am ashamed to say that I was unable to participate in the 12th man for the first quarter after indulging in a 75847436897436 oz. Coke.
Oh! Then undoubtably you had the stadium restroom experience as well?!

Edit: Just reminded myself...how about ruggedized flatpanel tv's in the restrooms????

[santanadasavior]

Oh! Then undoubtably you had the stadium restroom experience as well?!

Edit: Just reminded myself...how about ruggedized flatpanel tv's in the restrooms????

Ohhh it was a blast. I waited in a delisious smelling line for about 10 minutes and then had to inhale about 438765 packs of cigarettes after my exit.

[bgforever]

I can't purchase mine this year. Might be losing my job. PM me for details if you want them.

[Axegrinder]

Axegrinder...how about cup holders? I've been in other stadiums where general admission seats all had cup holders...seems pretty simple, but a HUGE convenience...

This pic just makes me sad...what a waste on a horrible team..kinda like the Giants getting a home playoff game this year. We should buy this from them off eBay... http://www.kansasviking.com/imagesstadiums/reliantstadium22.JPG
Cup holders are the bomb.
I sat in the club seats at the 1st game at FedEx and the holders were great.The seats are a little wider there too,so I don't know if they'd be able to do it on the non-club seats.
It would be a good move though!

[santanadasavior]

Cup holders are the bomb.
I sat in the club seats at the 1st game at FedEx and the holders were great.The seats are a little wider there too,so I don't know if they'd be able to do it on the non-club seats.
It would be a good move though!

What they did at Camden Yards is they put the cupholders on the back of the seat in front of you to not make the seats bigger. It's pretty useful.

[Axegrinder]

What they did at Camden Yards is they put the cupholders on the back of the seat in front of you to not make the seats bigger. It's pretty useful.
That's a good idea,I'm all for that

[Skinsfan1311]

Thanks man, I appreciate it. I remember when the fencing got "faced" up there. I think it was 2002 or 03. Seemed to a make difference to me...my Sherpa's appreciated it too.


:lol1: That's good stuff bandwagon! Do your Sherpas fetch your beer?

[dj_stouty]

Do you know how many seats would be lost if Danny installed a screen the size of the one at M&T Bank? If they wanted a widescreen TV at the stadium, they should have planned for that during construction. Its not Danny's fault that the stadium was not built for one.

My only problem with Fed Ex is the parking. The Cash Lots are a joke. I understand that there isn't enough room for parking lots next to the stadium...but they need to upgrade their shuttle service to the cash lots. (which most of them are leased from area businesses. It is NO fun to tailgate in a parking lot of a corporate business. 1/2 the fun of tailgating is having the skyline of the stadium in the background)

Everything else is fine by me. I like the liquor bars added to the lower and upper levels. I love the two bars behind the 100 section; it has a nightclub atmosphere before the game and during halftime; Shoulder to shoulder...drinking...having fun. And after the game, Kenny, Mike and the drum corp rock it out! The escalators are great....and most forget how hard it is to climb 6 stories to the top of a stadium. I walked for 20 minutes getting up to the upper level of RFK for a baseball game last year. NO FUN.

If I had a choice between sitting in the "coolest" stadium in the league, but watching a Redskins team as talented as the Houston Texans...OR...sitting at Fed Ex watching a Joe Gibbs coached Redskins team; I would obvoiusly choose the later. I go to the games to have fun and watch football. My surroundings are very secondary to the action on the field.

[smoak]

While at the same time maintaining his ability to be competetive in the F/A Market and maintaining the ability to overpay coaches so that we have the best staff.

Lets not forget that Snyder Dumped millions of his own money into improving the stadium experience for us too. THe house that Jack Built is nothing like Fed-Ex today, and Snyder deserves that credit.

I don't disagree although I do not have a base of reference for "the house that jack built". I vowed to not step foot in that stadium until Norv Turner was fired and I had tickets for Marty's first game, Spurrier's first game, and Gibb's first game (all before I was a season ticket holder).

[smoak]

The thing that really pisses me off about the parking is all the spots designated to the orange (club) lot. I see dozens of empty spots, every game, in these lots. They might fill up late --it wouldn't surprise me-- but It seems like a waste to me and denying the true, diehard, tailgating fans.
RFK was first come, first serve and that is the way it should always be, IMO.

Can I get an AMEN!!!

[Axegrinder]

Do you know how many seats would be lost if Danny installed a screen the size of the one at M&T Bank? If they wanted a widescreen TV at the stadium, they should have planned for that during construction. Its not Danny's fault that the stadium was not built for one.

My only problem with Fed Ex is the parking. The Cash Lots are a joke. I understand that there isn't enough room for parking lots next to the stadium...but they need to upgrade their shuttle service to the cash lots. (which most of them are leased from area businesses. It is NO fun to tailgate in a parking lot of a corporate business. 1/2 the fun of tailgating is having the skyline of the stadium in the background)

Everything else is fine by me. I like the liquor bars added to the lower and upper levels. I love the two bars behind the 100 section; it has a nightclub atmosphere before the game and during halftime; Shoulder to shoulder...drinking...having fun. And after the game, Kenny, Mike and the drum corp rock it out! The escalators are great....and most forget how hard it is to climb 6 stories to the top of a stadium. I walked for 20 minutes getting up to the upper level of RFK for a baseball game last year. NO FUN.

If I had a choice between sitting in the "coolest" stadium in the league, but watching a Redskins team as talented as the Houston Texans...OR...sitting at Fed Ex watching a Joe Gibbs coached Redskins team; I would obvoiusly choose the later. I go to the games to have fun and watch football. My surroundings are very secondary to the action on the field.
To expand on your shuttle service comment,I wish they handled it more like Busch Gardens and Kings Dominion.
If they had "continuous" trams/train/cart sevice to and fro,it might alleviate some of the problems with parking and tailgating.

[dj_stouty]

To expand on your shuttle service comment,I wish they handled it more like Busch Gardens and Kings Dominion.
If they had "continuous" trams/train/cart sevice to and fro,it might alleviate some of the problems with parking and tailgating.

Yeah...a monorail system would be key, but I'm assuming the costs of that would be astronomically more than a bigscreen monitor at Fed Ex.

The best solution is for METRO to put a track that goes directly to the front gates of the stadium. That way you can park ANYWHERE and get to the game w/ less hassle.

[bgforever]

Yeah...a monorail system would be key, but I'm assuming the costs of that would be astronomically more than a bigscreen monitor at Fed Ex.

The best solution is for METRO to put a track that goes directly to the front gates of the stadium. That way you can park ANYWHERE and get to the game w/ less hassle.


Now get this: They could name it the " FEDEX EXPRESS"

[Sean Taylor is God]

Now get this: They could name it the " FEDEX EXPRESS"
That would in essence be the Federal Express Express. that's lunacy. lets do it!

[bgforever]

That would in essence be the Federal Express Express. that's lunacy. lets do it!

:lol1: Sometimes I think you really are Sean Taylor!

[Sean Taylor is God]

:lol1: Sometimes I think you really are Sean Taylor!
hey, athletes got free time too. hopefully mine will not be hampered by incarceration.

[TonyStewart]

That would in essence be the Federal Express Express. that's lunacy. lets do it!

FedEx has already taking that name & used it for one of their services... I mean they must have forgot what FedEx was short for when they named their service FedEx Express, that or they have a bunch of monkeys working for them(tony K's favorite superbowl commercial)

[Sean Taylor is God]

FedEx has already taking that name & used it for one of their services... I mean they must have forgot what FedEx was short for when they named their service FedEx Express, that or they have a bunch of monkeys working for them(tony K's favorite superbowl commercial)
i love that monkey commercial. What about the "Shut Your Mouth Shuttle". cost: whatever Snyder chooses and your soul.

[bgforever]

i love that monkey commercial. What about the "Shut Your Mouth Shuttle". cost: whatever Snyder chooses and your soul.

hmm Shut Your Mouth Shuttle? nicknamed SHAFT? sounds too much like those ploitation films from the 70's

[Sean Taylor is God]

hmm Shut Your Mouth Shuttle? nicknamed SHAFT? sounds too much like those ploitation films from the 70's
:lol1: The Schitty Schuttle, for people with speech impediments.

[TonyStewart]

i love that monkey commercial. What about the "Shut Your Mouth Shuttle". cost: whatever Snyder chooses and your soul.

I might have to try that shuttle just once, it sounds very enticing... oh wait, I dont want to waste my $35,ooo parking pass...

Snyder should make his own TV Station after he makes that radio station of his & he would charge us Redskins fans 10 bucks a month but it would be free for everyone else but that wouldnt faze us at all... he just wants our money not others but as long as he wins a super bowl or two pretty soon, I will buy a $5,000 dollar whoopy cushion from him

[bantu]

These are the reasons why Fedex will never become a dominant, scary place to play for opponents. They keep raising these prices, the only people that can go will be coporate types who will use the tickets to schmooze with colleagues and clients. The blue-collar fan who will scream their lungs out, paint their torso & face, wave their hands, and cheer will become non-existent cuz they can't afford tickets!!!

THIS WHY WE WILL NEVER BE LIKE ARROWHEAD, DENVER, OR EVEN SEATTLE. AND COMPARING IT TO RFK?? THATS A JOKE.

[Keino]

These are the reasons why Fedex will never become a dominant, scary place to play for opponents. They keep raising these prices, the only people that can go will be coporate types who will use the tickets to schmooze with colleagues and clients. The blue-collar fan who will scream their lungs out, paint their torso & face, wave their hands, and cheer will become non-existent cuz they can't afford tickets!!!

THIS WHY WE WILL NEVER BE LIKE ARROWHEAD, DENVER, OR EVEN SEATTLE. AND COMPARING IT TO RFK?? THATS A JOKE.

Guess you didn't attend any games last year. Fed-Ex represented a tremendous Home field advantage for us, and has the last 2 years. BTW- we went 6-2 at home last year. I've attended games at both RFK and Fed-Ex. There was not a louder Redskins Homefield than the Dallas game last year. Period.

[bantu]

Guess you didn't attend any games last year. Fed-Ex represented a tremendous Home field advantage for us, and has the last 2 years. BTW- we went 6-2 at home last year. I've attended games at both RFK and Fed-Ex. There was not a louder Redskins Homefield than the Dallas game last year. Period.

I agree, wholeheartedly about last year. I was at a couple of those. But this trend isn't going to stop. Snyder is a "edited" when it comes to fans. The percentage that these ticket rates are rising are ridiculous. What I meant is that it will not get better for us as a home-field advantage if they keep making it harder for people to really afford to go these games. And if we the fans are not able to buy these tickets, you think Snyder will have trouble selling them elsewhere?? He'll have them sold to the highest bidder no matter who they are (Eagles fans, I'm looking at you).

These rates are outrageous. And the crappy thing is, I love the team sooo much that I'm gonna try my hardest to still go to as many as I can.

[CNYSkinFan]

Now get this: They could name it the " FEDEX EXPRESS"

Fedex actually gets very particular about their naming rights. There was a coffee shop here in Syracuse that named themselves "Federal Espresso". Fedex sued them to change the name. Fedex won and the cafe was ordered to chang it's name. it did..to "Ex-federal Espresso". Fedex sued AGAIN and it finally changed it's name to something different entirely.

It was quite funny because I never confused sending a package and getting coffee but apparently Fed Ex thought I would.

[Keino]

I just don't think a $30 per ticket maximum increase is going to have the effect you claim it will Bantu. In real terms, not percentage terms, the increase amounts to $300 per year. I don't think the most rabid fans are going to let $300 spread out over a period of 10 games effect their attendence. If anything, they will cut other areas of their entertainment budget. As long as Snyder continues to dedicate himself to putting a winning product on the field and as long as Joe Gibbs is a part of this franchise in some capacity, we will not have any issues regarding our homefield advantage. Price increase or not.

[santanadasavior]

Guess you didn't attend any games last year. Fed-Ex represented a tremendous Home field advantage for us, and has the last 2 years. BTW- we went 6-2 at home last year. I've attended games at both RFK and Fed-Ex. There was not a louder Redskins Homefield than the Dallas game last year. Period.

Opening day, three straight false starts. That's not ST or Lemar, that's us. We have take control and I expect it to stay that way.

[BandWagon]

If I had a choice between sitting in the "coolest" stadium in the league, but watching a Redskins team as talented as the Houston Texans...OR...sitting at Fed Ex watching a Joe Gibbs coached Redskins team; I would obvoiusly choose the later. I go to the games to have fun and watch football. My surroundings are very secondary to the action on the field.
I guess my point is with the top earning team in the league why is it an either/or and not a both? Seriously...

And per my point about the screen, Snyder brought it up on a fan chat last year. He knows he's got to do something about it. I'm just trying to stoke the fire and bring on a little, eh hem, owner rivalry....

[rskinsfan10]

FedEx has already taking that name & used it for one of their services... I mean they must have forgot what FedEx was short for when they named their service FedEx Express, that or they have a bunch of monkeys working for them(tony K's favorite superbowl commercial)So, what goofy animal are you and what's the name of your company so I can make this same ridiculous comment in return?

[FootballNorth]

My 4 seats in 430, Row 3 last year: $2,772 total invoice

Same seats this year: $3,490 total invoice.

Over 25% increase.

GREAT SEATS. Anyone want them?

Rob

[openallnight]

Whoa, i've been out of town for the past few weeks on business and just yesterday got a chance to see my invoice, $3,571.00 for 2 freakin' season tix! Last year I paid 2,830, which I thought at the time was pushing the envelope of my budget.

Seeing that there was a 26% increase, I just assumed it was a mistake and called the Redskin ticket offices to clarify the error. As you guys obviously already knew I found out there was no error.

Although, like any addict looking for a fix I shelled out the money. Although, if this happens again next year, could someone here please conduct an intervention and have me entered into a 12 step program? Please, before it's too late and I end up like some tragedy from a country song.