Goodbye Patten?

[BigCountry]

I have a feeling this is the end of the road for Patten. Thrash will do fine as a 4th reciever and he'll cost us less. We also need that money to plug some holes on defense or the decline in the defensive rankings will continue.

[skins lady]

I don't know about this one. I think there's room for him on the team.

[Campbell2Moss13]

I think the redskins will try to trade patten for a draft pick.

[X-Factor13]

i think you're on to something. I just posted something like that in another forum and honestly i think it would be a good move to release him now... especially seeing the chiefs offense for so long living in kansas... we'll be OK with our "big 3" lol

[SpicyMcHaggis]

I have a feeling this is the end of the road for Patten. Thrash will do fine as a 4th reciever and he'll cost us less. We also need that money to plug some holes on defense or the decline in the defensive rankings will continue.

I think we could actually lose money cap-wise if we cut him...

[828791Redskins]

I think the redskins will try to trade patten for a draft pick.

After only one year you think he's gone? Whats his contract like?

[BigCountry]

I think the redskins will try to trade patten for a draft pick.

Doesn't he have zero value?

[CNYSkinFan]

I think we could actually lose money cap-wise if we cut him...
tha's right. We would lose .603 million in cap space if we cut him. Mi say we keep him and let the top 3 fight it out for their depth. Jacobs is the most likely to lose a role, same with Antonio Brown, Thrash will stay #5 and be a ST force.

[Campbell2Moss13]

he signed last year a 5 year deal for 13 million and a 5 million dollar signing bonus.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

tha's right. We would lose .603 million in cap space if we cut him. Mi say we keep him and let the top 3 fight it out for their depth. Jacobs is the most likely to lose a role, same with Antonio Brown, Thrash will stay #5 and be a ST force.

Sounds good to me!!

[redskin_rich]

Bye bye, Taylor Jacobs is more like it.

[HAWGZHEAD]

Can we finally get rid of Taylor Jacobs now? lol

[PA Skins Girl]

Keep him. He's gonna be one motivated dude this year.

[Slobberknocker]

WHY???

No no no, I don't think we lose Patten unless he reacts badly to becoming one of a receiving corps like he had in New England. El and Lloyd should be fine with it since they're joining as a group. But Patten doesn't seem the type; he's humble and a team-oriented guy.

The signiing of El helps trim the roster in other ways. We don't need Antonio Brown (thank god, kisses aside), we might not need Collins as a 3rd QB, Thrash is an option, though I believe Gibbs likes him and we could keep him for depth and teams.

Jacobs is gone, Brown is gone. But Patten could be wicked in the slot, and we have a rotation that can rebound from knicks and injury.

[danny's stogie]

Keep him as long as he doesn't pull a Coles. Depth is good. Taylor Jacobs sucks. He costs more against the cap to cut.

Even if he leaves we'll always have those Patriot curl option routes to remember him by.

[whitskins]

Keep him. He's gonna be one motivated dude this year.

Yup. He'll be very solid depth and will cost more to cut than to keep. No point in letting him go. Plus, with Randle-el playing WR and PR that opens up a roster spot to keep 5 WRs, so we can keep Thrash for special teams and have an extremely deep WR core. Plenty of insurance in case someone gets hurt.

[CNYSkinFan]

Jacobs, Patten, Thrash, and Ferris will all fight it out for the last two roster spots. Their cuts will not cost much or save much on the cap so the Redskins can afford to let them hang around and make the cuts late in training camp.

[bgforever]

Can we finally get rid of Taylor Jacobs now? lol


Very likely it spelled his release and unfortunately Jimmy Farris. We would do well to now increase one slot on the roster previously held by the overload of WR for an OL and another for CB. Should we lose Ade Jimoh, then add yet another.

[Slobberknocker]

I'm looking forward to interviews on redskins.com. I want to know what Saunders thinks, how Gibbs feels this will work and how each of our receivers perceives these moves.

I bet they mesh well, give or take a bit of getting used to each other. QB camp should be a fun introduction!

[Slobberknocker]

Should we lose Ade Jimoh, then add yet another.

I hope we don't lose Jimoh. That sounds odd, but he's starting to make a name and I want him around to hear heartfelt cheers instead of boos as his status on our team grows.

[Dolla Bill]

I hope we don't lose Jimoh. That sounds odd, but he's starting to make a name and I want him around to hear heartfelt cheers instead of boos as his status on our team grows.


I was really hard on him the previous years, but he has turned it around. I may not like him so much on D, but he had one hell of a game against Arizona with that stick on Fitzgerald. His ST contributions have been phenomenal. I think we just tendered him, and Clemons though according to KFFL.

[Patrick]

Jacobs, Patten, Thrash, and Ferris will all fight it out for the last two roster spots. Their cuts will not cost much or save much on the cap so the Redskins can afford to let them hang around and make the cuts late in training camp.

IMO - Jacobs has been gone since the end of the season and Thrash just got replaced.

[Dolla Bill]

IMO - Jacobs has been gone since the end of the season and Thrash just got replaced.


By whom? Randle-El? On punt coverage, does Randle-El see the field?

[PyroGenic]

no way we're losing patten, costs more to cut than to retain. plus look at our receiving corps, does this not excite you? Its gonna be amazing to watch our passing game (which hasnt been amazing to watch in like a decade) with an O coordinator that knows what to do with them. My only worries are with brunnel/QB position but whatever. This should be a fun season to watch.

[PyroGenic]

By whom? Randle-El? On punt coverage, does Randle-El see the field?

yeah, randle el has been quoted as saying he wanted to be a return specialist (ill have to find it but I saw it numerous times on espn).

[hail2skins]

Bye bye, Taylor Jacobs is more like it.Thank you. I don't think Patten is going anywhere.

[Redskinfan28]

I have a feeling this is the end of the road for Patten. Thrash will do fine as a 4th reciever and he'll cost us less. We also need that money to plug some holes on defense or the decline in the defensive rankings will continue.

I don't know if he's gone, but his attitude has not meshed with Gibbs. He complained last year about his role, and then made statements that he wouldn't give money back. He is certainly not going to be happy with his role now.

[RichardBradley]

competition will bring out the best in all of them

[IowaSkinsFan]

he signed last year a 5 year deal for 13 million and a 5 million dollar signing bonus.

Are you sure about that? I thought it was closer to $31 million over 5 years.

At any rate, if the signing bonus is accurate, it would cause a $4 million cap hit if he is cut before June 1st.

Farris, Jacobs and Brown are the goners on this list. Thrash is a hard worker and a character guy. I don't think Joe will let him go.

I think we are looking at Moss, Patten, Lloyd, Randle El and Thrash, in that order.

[TonyStewart]

THIS IS A SILLY THREAD... PATTEN is staying!!!!

ANDIT SHOULD BE OUSTED as a thread

[IMALILTEAPOT]

patten isnt going anywhere. thou i think it is a lil messed up that we signed 2 wrs and that pretty much bumps him to #4, if he is a good teammate, he will understand and embrace him.

[hail2skins]

THIS IS A SILLY THREAD... PATTEN is staying!!!!

ANDIT SHOULD BE OUSTED as a threadStop posting in caps and this is not a silly thread.

[silverspring]

You know when considering about damaged egos and such with all these talented WRs, I honestly think patten might be the biggest problem if there even is a problem. He seemed to express some aggravation last year at not being thrown the ball enough with moss there if i recall. If it was feasable cap wise i would probably let him go and let thrash take his spot.

[BurgundyNGold]

I think that the coaches were just as disenchanted with Patten's performance opposite Moss in the first 10 games of the season as the fans were. Enter Brandon Llyod and Randle El. Famine to feast -- that's a Redskin's offseason for you, lol.

[smoak]

Patten is going to surprise some folks in '06 I think. He is best suited to spell Moss if Santana gets hurt.

[BurgundyNGold]

Patten is going to surprise some folks in '06 I think. He is best suited to spell Moss if Santana gets hurt.
Actually, he can probably play the X or the Z. He was out of position last year, IMO. So, that gives us 3 guys who can do that (Moss, Randle El, Patten) and one Y (Lloyd) unless Saunders uses Cooley out there like he did with Gonzo.

[colkurtz]

Why get rid of Patten? He's great for depth and as a rotation player with the other WRs.

Who do want to keep in Patten's place? Jacobs? Ferris? Pleazzzzzze.

Patten will stay another season and give us some speed and depth in an area where we've been weak for years.

I'll be glad to see Taylor Jacobs andd Antonio Brown go. I hope Thrash stays as the #5 and ST guru.

[BurgundyNGold]

Why get rid of Patten? He's great for depth and as a rotation player with the other WRs.

Who do want to keep in Patten's place? Jacobs? Ferris? Pleazzzzzze.

Patten will stay another season and give us some speed and depth in an area where we've been weak for years.

I'll be glad to see Taylor Jacobs andd Antonio Brown go. I hope Thrash stays as the #5 and ST guru.
This is what I see happening too. Patten is good enough to be a 3rd WR and should get plenty of playing time regardless of who we have "in front" of him on the depth chart.

[smoak]

Actually, he can probably play the X or the Z. He was out of position last year, IMO. So, that gives us 3 guys who can do that (Moss, Randle El, Patten) and one Y (Lloyd) unless Saunders uses Cooley out there like he did with Gonzo.

I prefer El be used more as an inside guy to create mismatches. I saw somewhere that he has a very poor % of catches with balls thrown his way.

[BurgundyNGold]

I prefer El be used more as an inside guy to create mismatches. I saw somewhere that he has a very poor % of catches with balls thrown his way.
I don't know if that is the plan. $31M over 6 years ($21M + $10M SB) isn't slot receiver kinda cash. If I had to guess, I would think that getting 3 guys who can play X or Z gives you a great opportunity when shifting into or out of formations. That's assuming that all 3 can learn both positions. For the D, it would be hell. You'd never know who will end up where. ;)

[smoak]

I don't know if that is the plan. $31M over 6 years ($21M + $10M SB) isn't slot receiver kinda cash. If I had to guess, I would think that getting 3 guys who can play X or Z gives you a great opportunity when shifting into or out of formations. That's assuming that all 3 can learn both positions. For the D, it would be hell. You'd never know who will end up where. ;)

I know the money is high, but I think El is better after the catch on shorter routes. Is it possible we'll see even MORE wr screens.

[BurgundyNGold]

I know the money is high, but I think El is better after the catch on shorter routes. Is it possible we'll see even MORE wr screens.
That's for sure. He's also going to make a great punt returner. Now, if we could just sign Andre Carter -- or ANY very good pass rushing DE -- I'd be pretty happy even if we didn't make any more big splashes in FA.

[colkurtz]

I don't know if that is the plan. $31M over 6 years ($21M + $10M SB) isn't slot receiver kinda cash. If I had to guess, I would think that getting 3 guys who can play X or Z gives you a great opportunity when shifting into or out of formations. That's assuming that all 3 can learn both positions. For the D, it would be hell. You'd never know who will end up where. ;)

Yeah, those guys playing X and Z and continually switching sides and rotating in and out. They'll always be fresh and keeping the defense spread out. Great for a more wide open running game.

[HAWGZHEAD]

That's for sure. He's also going to make a great punt returner. Now, if we could just sign Andre Carter -- or ANY very good pass rushing DE -- I'd be pretty happy even if we didn't make any more big splashes in FA.Agree, even I am crying for some defense to be signed via FA. Sign Carter and Archuletta and some depth and lets go to the draft.

[santanadasavior]

I think the redskins will try to trade patten for a draft pick.

He could be a number 2 on plenty of teams. I think that he will find a home elsewhere. If he doesn't, we officially have the best WR corp in the NFL.

[SkinsASchamps]

He could be a number 2 on plenty of teams. I think that he will find a home elsewhere. If he doesn't, we officially have the best WR corp in the NFL.

Best in the nfl?
Better than the colts, raiders, or rams?

Its close but I dont know about that.

[santanadasavior]

Best in the nfl?
Better than the colts, raiders, or rams?

Its close but I dont know about that.

I think that with our youth and the teams upward spiral we are soon going to be better, if not already.

[helimech24]

I am of the opinion that if we can trade Patten for a draft pick without picking up any of the contract, I am for it. But if we can't trade him, it makes more sense to hold on to him for depth this year. It will be crazy seeing those four rotate in and out of the lineup in different formations.

[Dolla Bill]

Best in the nfl?
Better than the colts, raiders, or rams?

Its close but I dont know about that.


I'd have to go no on that one. The Rams when Warner stole league MVP from Faulk, sure, but not now, no way. I'd take Moss over Holt, and even Randle-El/Lloyd over Bruce. As far as top 3 WR's, we are stacked.

[SkinsASchamps]

I think that with our youth and the teams upward spiral we are soon going to be better, if not already.

I think that may be slightly because you have your burgandy and gold glasses on. Haha. But I hope you are right.

[smoak]

Best in the nfl?
Better than the colts, raiders, or rams?

Its close but I dont know about that.

See, when I say "best", I look at the entire group top to bottom. Right now I'd stack Moss, Lloyd, El, Patten, and Thrash against any recieving corps in the league. Maybe they are not the very best, but they are up there. You also have to factor in Cooley.

[santanadasavior]

I think that may be slightly because you have your burgandy and gold glasses on. Haha. But I hope you are right.

Ohhh those glasses never come off. I just think that we have the most potential as a core. Someone else said it too but we have a better TE/HBack than the other teams.

[Vonslydog]

Best in the nfl?
Better than the colts, raiders, or rams?

Its close but I dont know about that.
You could also make a case for the Cards, as surprising as it sounds. They have the best starting pair in the league.

I'm surprised so many people think Thrash's spot might be threatened. Gibbs seems to be as high on him as anyone on the team (short of M.B.). I don't see Patten going anywhere this year either, but he has become a lot less valuable. This year, I'd guess we'll carry Moss, Randle El, Lloyd, Patten, Thrash. I wouldn't be surprised to see this be Patten's last year as a 'skin though. He's pretty expensive to carry as a #4.

[SkinsASchamps]

See, when I say "best", I look at the entire group top to bottom. Right now I'd stack Moss, Lloyd, El, Patten, and Thrash against any recieving corps in the league. Maybe they are not the very best, but they are up there. You also have to factor in Cooley.

I agree but he said WR corp. I think the teams I listed have better WR at the top two than we do.

Holt>Moss
Bruce>Lloyd or Randel El (whoever you pick)
Mcdonald< the other

R. Moss> S. Moss
Porter= Lloyd or Randel El
Gabriel<the Other

Harrison>Moss
Wayne>Llyod or Randel El
Stokely=other


So the top two are the trouble. We have youth and will be around a while so soon we will be in the tops of the league. We are good on paper but not the best.

Patten as the 4th is good but how much PT is he going to get?

[helimech24]

See, when I say "best", I look at the entire group top to bottom. Right now I'd stack Moss, Lloyd, El, Patten, and Thrash against any recieving corps in the league. Maybe they are not the very best, but they are up there. You also have to factor in Cooley.You gotta give it to Indy for the most stacked WR corps, but we aren't far down the list.

[SkinsASchamps]

Ohhh those glasses never come off. I just think that we have the most potential as a core. Someone else said it too but we have a better TE/HBack than the other teams.

I only take mine off for an hour a day. its not safe to have them off too much. My dad says I could go blind.

[SkinsASchamps]

You could also make a case for the Cards, as surprising as it sounds. They have the best starting pair in the league.

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I forgot the cards. good look. They are up there and should be. They have a great tandom and a pretty good third.

[BigCountry]

THIS IS A SILLY THREAD... PATTEN is staying!!!!

ANDIT SHOULD BE OUSTED as a thread

So everything you dissagree with is now silly? If it's not worth your time, don't post on it.

[EberKain]

I have a feeling this is the end of the road for Patten. Thrash will do fine as a 4th reciever and he'll cost us less. We also need that money to plug some holes on defense or the decline in the defensive rankings will continue.

Did you year him on the radio show, he is so pumped to prove himself as the #2 WR. You dont get rid of guys when they have that kind of motivation. After Moss, I see the depth chart as a toss-up to be determined in training camp.

[SkinsASchamps]

Did you year him on the radio show, he is so pumped to prove himself as the #2 WR. You dont get rid of guys when they have that kind of motivation. After Moss, I see the depth chart as a toss-up to be determined in training camp.


Competition is a great thing. So is health. Our boys should be very healthy and stay fresh. Hopefully these guys blend well with each other and our QBs.

[shally]

After only one year you think he's gone? Whats his contract like?


that is the key... if it costs too much to cut him vs keeping him we might keep him a bit longer..

if he is gone either thrash plays the number 4 receiver (typically a special teams player) or we might sign a player like boerigter for this role

[shally]

WHY???

No no no, I don't think we lose Patten unless he reacts badly to becoming one of a receiving corps like he had in New England. El and Lloyd should be fine with it since they're joining as a group. But Patten doesn't seem the type; he's humble and a team-oriented guy.

The signiing of El helps trim the roster in other ways. We don't need Antonio Brown (thank god, kisses aside), we might not need Collins as a 3rd QB, Thrash is an option, though I believe Gibbs likes him and we could keep him for depth and teams.

Jacobs is gone, Brown is gone. But Patten could be wicked in the slot, and we have a rotation that can rebound from knicks and injury.


as long as brunell can actually find him... he seems to have a blind spot with pattens jersey number on it...

[shally]

IMO - Jacobs has been gone since the end of the season and Thrash just got replaced.

nobody covers punts like jimoh and thrash.. they have places on the team for that purpose.. no reason to risk a 6 mil dollar player like randle el covering punts.. that is like the giants using sehorn when he was at the top of his game as a corner returning kickoffs... we know how that ended

[shally]

Patten is going to surprise some folks in '06 I think. He is best suited to spell Moss if Santana gets hurt.

not just that.. put him inthe slot or onthe move and he can use his quickness against #3 corners or safeties.. it will be up to brunell to get him the ball

[shally]

I prefer El be used more as an inside guy to create mismatches. I saw somewhere that he has a very poor % of catches with balls thrown his way.


correct... it was under 50 %... for certain... but he will be used for gadget plays and for high yield type of plays like joe washington was before this..

rocket screen anybody ??? LOL

[shally]

Did you year him on the radio show, he is so pumped to prove himself as the #2 WR. You dont get rid of guys when they have that kind of motivation. After Moss, I see the depth chart as a toss-up to be determined in training camp.


as much as i like stovall, i do not see us drafting another receiver.. my guess is a guy like tapp if he falls to us.. or d quell if he falls to us... or pope or fasano if they fall to us... or cedric griffin...

[SkinsASchamps]

as much as i like stovall, i do not see us drafting another receiver.. my guess is a guy like tapp if he falls to us.. or d quell if he falls to us... or pope or fasano if they fall to us... or cedric griffin...

Dude. You just posted a lot of times in a row. lol. Well tapp would be a great option but he is moving up a lot. may be a 1st rounder now. I see us going with defense in the draft.

[BigPlayJay]

You know when considering about damaged egos and such with all these talented WRs, I honestly think patten might be the biggest problem if there even is a problem. He seemed to express some aggravation last year at not being thrown the ball enough with moss there if i recall. If it was feasable cap wise i would probably let him go and let thrash take his spot.

I agree. Most people seem to be thinking we will keep Patten because it will actually cost us a little to get rid of him. If he doesn't fit our plans, then he will probably go as has been the Gibbs pattern no matter the cap hit (very small in this case).

One added thought is that it seems obvious they feel he's not up to filling out the roster opposite Moss so why not call it a loss, take the small hit now, and save the cap hit he would give us next season which goes up a fair amount I think.

[EberKain]

Dude. You just posted a lot of times in a row. lol. Well tapp would be a great option but he is moving up a lot. may be a 1st rounder now. I see us going with defense in the draft.

A bit off topic, but I think we get Pope if he falls to us, or just draft Defense again.

[GolfFreak]

I don't see how he could be cut after one year ... but we do have a boat load of WRs now. I see them in this order: Moss, Lloyd, El, Patten, Thrash, Jacobs, Antiono Brown. Now I think the last two are gonners since it comes down to a numbers game. I think we have to keep Thrash for his ST play, but I think 5 WRs is the limit.

[lakeskin]

I wonder what David would look like in Green & White.

[MWballer]

Patten will be a Redskin again next year I dont see how they'd give the guy an exclusive interview one week and then cut the guy the next it just doesn't make sense. Patten will be our 4th WR next year. Gibbs and Saunders have prolly thought of some pretty crazy things to do with this offense were gonna put on the field.

[helimech24]

I wonder what David would look like in Green & White.He will have a lot of past time practicing with Ramsey, that should help a little I guess,lol.

[SkinsASchamps]

A bit off topic, but I think we get Pope if he falls to us, or just draft Defense again.

Man o Man I would love to get Pope. If he goes that late in the second though we should be charged with robbery. Develop him behind fauria and let the chips fall into place. would be beautiful.

[joethefan]

patten will be here at least another year....Jacobs and ferris wll be gone...I wanna keep thrash...

[smoak]

You gotta give it to Indy for the most stacked WR corps, but we aren't far down the list.

IMO, Indy has the best three but if you look at all WRs/TEs/HBs, then I am not sold. Dallass Clark should be putting up hug numbers and he doesn't.