View Full Version : Who's our biggest threat?
santanadasavior
03-20-2006, 01:03 PM
I am not including the Redskins in the poll because I want a good view as to who our biggest competition for the NFC East. I think we will win it but the purpose of this poll is to see who is going to give us a run.
danny's stogie
03-20-2006, 01:04 PM
Giants....depending on Tiki.
santanadasavior
03-20-2006, 01:06 PM
Giants....depending on Tiki.
I would have to agree. I think that Tiki is the X-factor for that team. If he is healthy then he will give us the best run, if not, the Giants won't reach .500.
MWballer
03-20-2006, 01:08 PM
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Dallas they'll be strong next season and hungrier after missing the playoffs and dealing with Parcells attitude. They've had a pretty good offseason as well with the addition of TO their passing game will improve too.
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Giants wont do as well next season they seemed to unravel towards the end of the season and Tiki is getting older. How long can he keep it up? if he can't have the year he had last year I doubt Eli can carry the team and Plax should himself to be a goat in the playoffs last year.
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The Eagles are doing nothing in the offseason for some reason while everyone else in the East is improving their rosters. They have no number 1 WR and their D is aging. Eagles are in some trouble from my stand point.
smoak
03-20-2006, 01:12 PM
The Eagles. I have to see how their draft and remaining FA goes, but I think thye could bounce back and push for the playoffs next season. dallass I think is second b/c they were close this year and a healthy and behaved TO is a dangerous thing (don't bet on it though).
Lastly, I'm thinking the Giants. Eli regressed down the stretch and looked below average. Tiki and Strahan are getting older. Their o-line is suspect. I am not a huge fan of Shockey or Plaxico in the clutch (both guys seem to rack up stats againsty lesser opponents). Their secondary is re-vamped, but not really that improved (IMO).
Meatsnack
03-20-2006, 01:18 PM
I like the Giants to build on last year. They still need O-line help but their defense should be improved with the new DBs. Tiki will be ready.
The Eagles will bounce back to a 500 team +/- one game. McNabb can will a win or two out their offense.
Dallass will start strong then TO will destroy them. Maybe whiff on a block to get Bledsoe killed or something after Bledsoe throws more balls to another WR one game. Maybe he'll sleep with Jerrah's trophy wife. One way or another, he will kill them. MuWaHaHaHaHaaaa! :batangel:
i think it's the Eagles. they had MAJOR injury problems last year and will be focusing on their line-play with the remainder of free agency and the draft. bottom line, though, while i think we're the front runner, any one of the teams could ultimately win it.
danny's stogie
03-20-2006, 01:33 PM
I think that line-play is the deciding factor in the division. All the teams have good players and all the teams have certain weaknesses, but how the lines fair is the big question mark.
Dallas's downfall was a crappy Oline and a weak defensive front 3. I don't think their Oline is any better than last season. On defense, compare the 3-4 teams that are good and the ones that are bad; a dominant nose tackle is vital to the success of the 3-4. Unless Ferguson gets better or Parcells unearths a gem I expect the Skins' Oline to manhandle the Dallas defense like it did in the second meeting.
Philly needs help on both lines. On offense they need to teach their linemen how to run block and hope for the best when it comes to keeping Donovan upright. On defense, either Walker or Patterson need to get better or expect another subpar defensive season for the Eagles. I wouldn't be shocked to see them draft a DT in the first round and if they do, their entire season might be tied to that players' productivity. That's the ex-factor when it comes to the Eagles, if they get better there then they could return to form as a top 5 defense, if not it could be another long season.
I didn't think the Giants would be as good as they were last year, but a lot of their success last year can be attributed to a suprisingly good Oline and the emergence of Osi to give Strahan help on the Dline. If they can continue playing well they should be a real threat once again.
I'm not saying that this is the be all and end all of the NFC East, but I think it's the biggest ex-factor in the division and is an area in which, at least at this point, the Skins hold a decided edge.
LATrueRedskin
03-20-2006, 01:40 PM
I'd say the Giants. They're quietly making some solid gains on defense, and their offense is already pretty stout.
skins-12th-man
03-20-2006, 01:45 PM
As much as I hate the giants i still have to pick them. Tiki is just one of those people that has talent. Still they also have a solid defence. The dont have a great one but the players depend on each-other so is any players fall it would be shakey. I would have said dallas but i think TO will hurt them to much.
CarMike
03-20-2006, 01:47 PM
Cowgirls. Defense was already pretty good. With the addition of TO, it may push them ahead a little. That is of course if they all can get along.
redskin_rich
03-20-2006, 01:56 PM
The Eagles are our biggest threat this year.
I'm not worried about the Giants, they will take a step back this year and the Cowgirls will be lucky to win 8 games.
X-Factor13
03-20-2006, 02:02 PM
IMHO, we have the best division in football, so it doesn't matter who i pick because all the teams are good and maybe playoff caliber. But for poll purposes i went with the gints
GWBlitzST
03-20-2006, 02:21 PM
The Giants, because of their D line. Antonio Pierce will be back too, and they've drastically improved their secondary, which was their weakest area. Eli still has a lot of work to do. I wouldn't be surprised if their offense regressed slightly.
CNYSkinFan
03-20-2006, 02:29 PM
Has to be the Giants. they have alot of talent on offense, and are fixing or attempting to fix their defensive backfield.
The Eagles have lost alot of talent, not just TO, over the last two years and they may have open revolt in the lockerroom this year the first time McNabb has a bad game.
The Cowboys in my opinion are not much better off then last year. Unless TO is going to play free safety they are susceptible to the deep pass and they are getting old real quick, see Baltimore. This could be a real bad year for them and Parcells.
dogfight6
03-20-2006, 02:29 PM
None of those turkeys, Injuries are the only thing we have to fear next season. 6-0 in our division 14-2 overall.
danny's stogie
03-20-2006, 02:29 PM
The Giants, because of their D line. Antonio Pierce will be back too, and they've drastically improved their secondary, which was their weakest area. Eli still has a lot of work to do. I wouldn't be surprised if their offense regressed slightly.
I have to disagree with this. Madison is on the down-side and Demps was never very good to begin with. I'd say slight improvement, not drastic.
redskinz#1fan
03-20-2006, 02:35 PM
I picked the Giants, but this will all be riding on the shoulders on TIKI! If he runs good, then they will have a decent year, if he doesn't then there goes the season.
I'm not too worried about the cowgirls or eagles. Everyone thinks Dallas because they picked up TO, now they are going to be a force. They will have a good team, but not a playoff cailber team. IMO!
vabeach_skinsfan
03-20-2006, 02:37 PM
Giants....depending on Tiki.
I'm thinking Tipi won't be able to gain as many yards this season. He's getting up there in age, and I think teams will be prepared to stop him.
danny's stogie
03-20-2006, 02:42 PM
I picked the Giants, but this will all be riding on the shoulders on TIKI! If he runs good, then they will have a decent year, if he doesn't then there goes the season.
I'm not too worried about the cowgirls or eagles. Everyone thinks Dallas because they picked up TO, now they are going to be a force. They will have a good team, but not a playoff cailber team. IMO!
Yup. The Cowboys signing TO isn't like the Eagles signing him. The Eagles desperately needed a reciever so the improvement in their offense was felt immediately. The Cowboys on the other hand, had/have decent recievers so it's not like they need TO to jump start the team. What the Cowboys need are a FS, NT, OLB, a brand spanking new Offensive line, and a decent RB, and unless I'm mistaken, TO doesn't play any of those positions.
skins111111
03-20-2006, 03:42 PM
As much as I hate the giants i still have to pick them. Tiki is just one of those people that has talent. Still they also have a solid defence. The dont have a great one but the players depend on each-other so is any players fall it would be shakey. I would have said dallas but i think TO will hurt them to much.
Hey Thunder, you been hangin around Uncle bill to long...........your right though, Eli's maturing, Tiki's on fire and they have a good solid D
Don't tell Bill I said that:)
MONK_in_HOF
03-20-2006, 03:45 PM
Whoever stays healthy. The NFC East is going to be such a dogfight that staying healthy will be at a premium. I really think that any of the 4 teams could win the division.
PyroGenic
03-20-2006, 03:48 PM
the giants were the NFC champs last year and got better in their secondary with sam madison. Eventhough nobody here is probably going to admit it, Eli Manning is a decent QB and will be good with time. With more opportunities to throw to Burress and Shockey, the better chemistry they will develop. Sooner or later something serious is gonna click with that passing game. Tiki is arguably the best back in the NFC so with the weapons in place, how can they not be a threat?
Dolla Bill
03-20-2006, 03:51 PM
Where is option D? The Washington Redskins. These teams last year had nothing on us, and it was because we shot ourselves in the foot almost all of last year. Until then, we will be our own worst enemy.
IMALILTEAPOT
03-20-2006, 04:11 PM
if TO can mesh with the cowgirls, i think they can be threats. but the giants improved their secondary, and the eagles will surely have a better season than lasts. its gonna be a tough task to win the nfc east
PA Skins Girl
03-20-2006, 04:23 PM
Cowboys. They have a solid defense, weapons on offense, their O-line should be better, they have a decent rotation of RBs and a vet QB. They are very similiar to us.
LadyNRedskinsfan
03-20-2006, 04:41 PM
i voted for the giants, since they actually did make the playoffs along with the skins last year. they have taken any hits and should be better. i still cant believe we went 5-1 in the division last year. its going to be another fun season in the nfc east.
whistleandthumb
03-20-2006, 04:51 PM
Here's the problem with this poll/thread. It's asking two TOTALLY different issues. The title of the thread is "Who's our biggest threat?," which is one issue. The poll asks who will give us the best run in the NFC East - a totally different issue.
I vote the Cowboys, initially, because I think they always pose the worst threat to us. We have entire seasons lost because of one loss to a lousy Cowboy team.
The Giants will give us the best run in the division.
ryflan47
03-20-2006, 04:54 PM
This division is going to be even stronger this year. As long as we don't suffer in the division, we should be fine.
WillieWilliams
03-20-2006, 05:32 PM
Yea the NFC East is gonna be tough this year... we reloaded, the cowboys are a real threat now with TO, the Giants were dangerous last year and most likely will keep that up, and the Eagles will have a healthy donovan and brian westrook (to start with) its gonna be a tough, but fun to watch year
CowboyKilla
03-20-2006, 05:35 PM
I'd say the Cowboys. Skins v. Boys, hard to top that.
GoSkins!36
03-20-2006, 05:38 PM
Giants are still the team to beat since they won the division last year. If the Giants get Sam Madison to play like he did a few years ago, watch out, that makes their defense a lot stronger with that D-line of theirs. But I'll have to agree with most everybody, this division looks like the strongest top to bottom, every team has improved one way or another, either through FA or getting their injured stars back
colkurtz
03-20-2006, 06:26 PM
The Giants are the #1 threat. They won the division and Eli will get better with time. They have a very good DL rush and Tikki has our number, if he is healthy.
Eagles will have Donovan back and are well coached and play tough. They will never be a pushover.
Cowboys have TO, which is an improvement over Keshawn, but it's still Bledsoe. Other parts of their team seem weak.
This will be a very tough division - other teams won't want to play the NFC BEast. However, we can win it this year.......
Redskins
Giants
Eagles
Cowgirls
HAWGZHEAD
03-20-2006, 06:56 PM
Cowboys, mostly dependent on how well they control Owens.
DCGreys
03-20-2006, 08:33 PM
This division is Tiki versus the Redskins Defensive line. Donovan versus the Redskins secondary seven. Portis versus the Cowboys defensive line. Redskins Offensive line against every team.
If we can win three of the four, we get into the playoffs. Win all 4 and win the East.
swheeler
03-20-2006, 09:20 PM
I went with the Eagles. Reid, McNabb, and Westbrook all should not be misunderestimated, and with a decent draft they'll patch up their weaknesses.
No way the Giants repeat their success right away, and the Cowboys might look hot for a little while but they'll self destruct early.
shally
03-20-2006, 09:43 PM
i think a healthy eagles team without TO distracting them is going to be very tough once again
but overall, the level of competition inthe nfc east is going to be very tough
shally
03-20-2006, 09:45 PM
Cowboys, mostly dependent on how well they control Owens.
and whether or not parcells can cobble a decent o line together
shally
03-20-2006, 09:50 PM
The Giants are the #1 threat. They won the division and Eli will get better with time. They have a very good DL rush and Tikki has our number, if he is healthy.
Eagles will have Donovan back and are well coached and play tough. They will never be a pushover.
Cowboys have TO, which is an improvement over Keshawn, but it's still Bledsoe. Other parts of their team seem weak.
This will be a very tough division - other teams won't want to play the NFC BEast. However, we can win it this year.......
Redskins
Giants
Eagles
Cowgirls
interesting...
of all the teams, if you throw out last year, the eagles have been the most consistently solid. the cowboys and giants have been up one year and down the next.
i think this year the giants and cowboys swap places. the giants fall back and dallas makes a run in parcells last season.
it comes down to a 3 way race with the skins edging out the cowboys and eagles for the division, while philly and dallas are both playoff teams.
philly knocks off dallas in a wild card game, and the skins run the table at home beating tampa to go to the superbowl.
skins prevail over denver in the superbowl 35-17....
santanadasavior
03-20-2006, 09:51 PM
I think that every game we play within the division will be very close, just due to the nature of the teams. I think that overall the Giants will find a way to squeeze out the most wins. That is, behind us, of course.
Skinz4lyfe
03-20-2006, 10:06 PM
Good question. I still say its the Cowboys. TO does improve their offense. They now have great receivers and an outstanding TE in Whitten. Julius Jones can be good if he's healthy and they've upgraded the O-line too. The front 7 on defense is good. DeMarcus Ware scares me. However, their secondary can be had. Newman is overrated IMO but Henry is pretty good. But they are not fast enough to hang with our receivers. My guess is they'll address the safety position in the draft.
Philly must acquire a true #1 receiver if they are to be SB contenders again. They've been sitting on their hands this offseason and haven't done much to upgrade their team. The defense is still pretty solid but the offense needs help. McNabb is great when healthy and Westbrook is a baller. But the only receiver that is worth anything right now is LJ Smith. Greg Lewis is improving but he's still young. Todd Pinkston is OK.
The Giants IMO overachieved last year. Strahan is still great but he's getting older. Usi (LMNOP or however your spell his last name) is great on the other side as well. They've also made some good moves this off-season by upgrading their secondary. If they can land a couple of LBs they'd be dangerous, especially if Eli continues to improve.
bgforever
03-20-2006, 10:53 PM
Good question. I still say its the Cowboys. TO does improve their offense. They now have great receivers and an outstanding TE in Whitten. Julius Jones can be good if he's healthy and they've upgraded the O-line too. The front 7 on defense is good. DeMarcus Ware scares me. However, their secondary can be had. Newman is overrated IMO but Henry is pretty good. But they are not fast enough to hang with our receivers. My guess is they'll address the safety position in the draft.
Philly must acquire a true #1 receiver if they are to be SB contenders again. They've been sitting on their hands this offseason and haven't done much to upgrade their team. The defense is still pretty solid but the offense needs help. McNabb is great when healthy and Westbrook is a baller. But the only receiver that is worth anything right now is LJ Smith. Greg Lewis is improving but he's still young. Todd Pinkston is OK.
The Giants IMO overachieved last year. Strahan is still great but he's getting older. Usi (LMNOP or however your spell his last name) is great on the other side as well. They've also made some good moves this off-season by upgrading their secondary. If they can land a couple of LBs they'd be dangerous, especially if Eli continues to improve.
I really liked the way Barber peaked (of course not against us), but at second glance, the Giants have something showing a crack here and there, but their BRAINs keep them in games. A lot of teams, get whipped in some areas,but forget to use their brains. The Giants use theirs.
The Cowboys however, improved in the given areas that can keep them in the playoff hunt. That's what a team shoud strive for. Hey they'll be using their brains too, because OT, er I mean TO will have them either thinking from his sudden calm to reacting to business as usual. This wont' stop them, believe it or not, because all Drew Bledsoe needed was a faster target than Johnson. TO has a gear like Moss that makes him want to destroy a defense and with Glenn's speed, it will make some teams sick to their stomach, watching TO celebrate. What can hurt the Cowboys? I am not telling until the start of the season, just before their first kickoff. :)
Death_Venom
03-20-2006, 10:57 PM
I think the Cow-girls are going to be our biggest threat next year......I think the Giants had a "fluke" season, and the Eagles will be back in form-maybe not great form but they pose a decent challenge.........
bgforever
03-20-2006, 11:00 PM
I think the Cow-girls are going to be our biggest threat next year......I think the Giants had a "fluke" season, and the Eagles will be back in form-maybe not great form but they pose a decent challenge.........
Philly is that scrappy team that reminds me of DC Recreation Leagues, where the team had mis-matched uniforms, gritty looking fields with glass and cigarette butts all in em'. The players looked liked they had a bad grunge day and the only thing you cared about was everybody (I do mean body) being accounted for to return to the bus to get the heck out of there.
They WiLL be back. I have no doubt about it.
GolfFreak
03-21-2006, 06:14 AM
I chose the Gints. They have a pretty good Offensive cast with Manning, Tiki, Shockey, Burress, and I hear talks about them getting Me-shawn.
I think the Boys are second and the Iggles last due to the FA moves made so far. My how the Iggles have fallen.
joethefan
03-21-2006, 08:06 AM
surprisingly I said the Giants, Tiki, Eli, and Paxico will be stronger this year.
Dept_of_Defense
03-21-2006, 11:02 AM
surprisingly I said the Giants, Tiki, Eli, and Paxico will be stronger this year.
Yeah I agree. The Giants, then Philly, then Dallas.
vabeach_skinsfan
03-21-2006, 11:02 AM
I think we will be our biggest threat. With all the expectations and of this year due to the success we acheived last year, its our season to lose. The only thing stopping us is US. Everyone else is insignificant!!!!!!!!!!!!
DocScholl
03-21-2006, 11:51 AM
I sure hope you all aren't basing these votes on the first two games that you all have beaten the Cowboys in what 10 years ? The Cowboys are the team to beat in the East . :)
guess88
03-21-2006, 11:53 AM
I say the Giants. They have a great defensive line, decent linebackers, and they've made some notable upgrades in the secondary. As for the offense, Eli should only get better (and while inconsistent, he's shown flashes of great playmaking), Tiki's one of the most overlooked backs in the NFL, and if they pick up Keyshaun, they'll have a decent WR core too. Plexico is a HUGE target, Shockey always has to be accounted for, Tiki's dangerous, and Keyshaun plays better than his numbers. They've got weapons, but we can take them.
I'm kind of at a toss up between the girls and the iggies as the 2nd big threat. They've got some decent weapons of offense, and while young, I can only imagine their defense gelling better together. They do need help at corner though, so we'll see how that goes... I have no faith in Bledsoe in the post season, but there's gotta be something there if Parcells keeps him in. Give him 5 seconds to throw and he's excellent, but who has that nowadays? As for the iggies... to me they seem like they're rebuilding, i'm not sure why, but i just get that feeling from them. McNabb and Westbrook are dangerous though. D has generally been solid, but I think we'll have to see how their WR group has matured and who'll step up. If Pinkston is their #1 guy, we're golden, but their young guys are supposidly doing well... we'll see.
All i know is that it's gonna be a great F'ing season!
Redblood
03-21-2006, 12:28 PM
I sure hope you all aren't basing these votes on the first two games that you all have beaten the Cowboys in what 10 years ? The Cowboys are the team to beat in the East . :)
It ain't the cowgirls. They are now forever associated with a h*m*s@xu@l cowgirl movie.
Couldn't get to the POs last year.
It ain't the g-nomes. They are not the answer. Couldn't win a stinkin PO game.
The e-girls because of A. Reid.
danny's stogie
03-21-2006, 12:33 PM
I sure hope you all aren't basing these votes on the first two games that you all have beaten the Cowboys in what 10 years ? The Cowboys are the team to beat in the East . :)
Sorry, but they're looking up at 2 teams right now.
CNYSkinFan
03-21-2006, 03:09 PM
I sure hope you all aren't basing these votes on the first two games that you all have beaten the Cowboys in what 10 years ? The Cowboys are the team to beat in the East . :)
Someone is in love with TO too much.
Last I saw the cowboys had a mediocre defensive and offensive line. A safety in roy Williams who can not cover deep patterns. And overrated young running back in Julius Jones who can't get out of Parcell's doghouse. And a mannequin for QB.
But your right...the Cowboy's are still America's team....1920's depression America....but still America.
vabeach_skinsfan
03-21-2006, 03:24 PM
I sure hope you all aren't basing these votes on the first two games that you all have beaten the Cowboys in what 10 years ? The Cowboys are the team to beat in the East . :)
No, I'm basing this off your very old quarterback, suspect runningback, and suspect secondary.
AliBabba
03-21-2006, 03:43 PM
I sure hope you all aren't basing these votes on the first two games that you all have beaten the Cowboys in what 10 years ? The Cowboys are the team to beat in the East . :)
Drew is a statue ... AC will knock it over
J.Jones is soft and inconsistent, Barber just isn't that great
TO is a cancer, you'll get one good year, but unless he plans on playing D it won't be nearly enough
We saw Roy Williams true coverage skills last year, you have one CB, No LB, one decent DL ... please ... last place, maybe 3rd if the Egirls are as injured as last year
NCskinsfanatic
03-21-2006, 04:03 PM
The G-men, they're the division champs and they should be as good as last year if not better in 06. They might have lost a few guys but they still have yet to see Mannings best and Tiki is solid along with a decent D.
The boys may be a strong canidate if the Giants have a rash of injuries or struggle early. Like it or not TO will probably be on his best behavior this year and he along with Glenn and Witten at TE will give Bledsoe a lot of speed and power on O. They just have to get more production from Julius and Barber at RB to compete. And while they're d may be good, i wouldnt trade it for GW's!
The Eagles, yeah whatever, the D will be stout as always, the offensive will have to stay healthy to be good and ultimately I'm just not sold on their playmakers on offense incomparison to the rest of the NFC East.
guess88
03-21-2006, 04:43 PM
i know it's kinda sacraligious to say this, but i honestly think julius jones will have a break out year this year.
DoGood
03-21-2006, 06:24 PM
I feel sorry for anybody we play.:)
danny's stogie
03-21-2006, 06:26 PM
i know it's kinda sacraligious to say this, but i honestly think julius jones will have a break out year this year.
I'd be curious as to why you think that--I'm not indicting you, I really am curious--because I don't think he's shown anything in 2 seasons to suggest he'll be anything more than a scatback change-up.
the real moss89
03-21-2006, 07:35 PM
If i had to pick a threat i would pick the giants but i really don't think we will be threatened that much this year. I think we have a real good team for this season. I'm not sayin we will blow out the NFC east but i think we have a real good shot at winning it.
helimech24
03-21-2006, 07:37 PM
I'd be curious as to why you think that--I'm not indicting you, I really am curious--because I don't think he's shown anything in 2 seasons to suggest he'll be anything more than a scatback change-up.That is easily hurt every year. I went with the Giants because they have the potential of being the most well rounded out of the other three. Philly is going to pass a lot with no receivers, and Dallas will try to pound the ball with no running back. The Giants have a good running back, WR, and a QB that is going into his third year. There defense isn't bad either when Pierce is in.
ShaggySkins
03-21-2006, 07:38 PM
The Giants finished ahead of us in the division. I think the question needs to be are we the biggest threat to the Giants.
Lets not get ahead of ourselves people. We didn't win the division last season and that needs to be our immediate goal.
danny's stogie
03-21-2006, 08:22 PM
That is easily hurt every year. I went with the Giants because they have the potential of being the most well rounded out of the other three. Philly is going to pass a lot with no receivers, and Dallas will try to pound the ball with no running back. The Giants have a good running back, WR, and a QB that is going into his third year. There defense isn't bad either when Pierce is in.
Yeah, that was the funny part of watching the Cowgirls last season...they kept trying to run, but they couldn't. I believe they were actually near the top of the league in total rushing yards, but don't let any Cowgirl fan fool you with that stat because they were right at the bottom of the league in average per attempt. If at first you don't succeed, try, try again.
becky
03-21-2006, 09:29 PM
Yeah, that was the funny part of watching the Cowgirls last season...they kept trying to run, but they couldn't. I believe they were actually near the top of the league in total rushing yards, but don't let any Cowgirl fan fool you with that stat because they were right at the bottom of the league in average per attempt. If at first you don't succeed, try, try again.
And that's only going to be worse this year with Allen gone unless they find a way to upgrade his position. I just can't see how they're going to keep TO from being disgruntled with Bledsoe on his back all the time and no running game to open up the pass (they'll have to try and do the opposite effectively). They lose 3 key vets and get TO.. there is still time left, but they are not impressing me so far.
I see Philly being much improved, but only if they can get someone good to throw the ball to (maybe Reggie will blossom?) and/or commit to the run more. Still the Giants I think are the team to beat.. they still have some glaring holes but at least they attempted to address their secondary issues.
Dept_of_Defense
03-21-2006, 11:14 PM
I sure hope you all aren't basing these votes on the first two games that you all have beaten the Cowboys in what 10 years ? The Cowboys are the team to beat in the East . :)
*Rubs Eyes* Am I reading what I think I'm reading........
LadyNRedskinsfan
03-21-2006, 11:25 PM
*Rubs Eyes* Am I reading what I think I'm reading........
yep. a post by a delusional cowboys fan....:D
vabeach_skinsfan
03-22-2006, 07:15 AM
i know it's kinda sacraligious to say this, but i honestly think julius jones will have a break out year this year.
its actually sacrilegious.
Anyways, for Julius Jones to have a break out season is total blasphemy. He hasn't proven to be the durable back to carry the load for the "girls". Marion Barber isn't even capable of being a back up running back. I think the entire run game is suspect with that shaky o-line.
AliBabba
03-22-2006, 08:38 AM
i know it's kinda sacraligious to say this, but i honestly think julius jones will have a break out year this year.
that may be your opinion, but what are you basing that on? what has he shown in college or the pros to indicate he's anything more than an oft-injured, inconsistent, smallish, change of pace guy. He couldn't make it through the season on any level getting all of the carries, that's why I say change of pace. He can run for 135 or 17 yds in any given game with the same number of carries, that's why i saw inconsistent, and the rest is pretty obvious....
couple this with that Cowgirl O-Line (bye bye Larry Allen, maybe you can get a job writing for ESPN or SI), and you have a recipe for mediocrity at best most likely failure
Ibleedburgundy
03-22-2006, 11:00 AM
I went with the safe pick in the Giants even though I have zero confidence in Eli Manning and Tom Coughlin seemed to lose the clubhouse late in the season. They have a plethora of offensive weapons and I think their O-line gets underrated sometimes.
Say what you want about Parcells and all his greatness, what has he won without Belichek?
The Eagles had major injuries last year so some of hose guys are still recovering and others will have to knock of some rust. That, and a complete lack of a power running game (please don't draft Lendale White) are why I think the window of opportunity may have shut on Philly.
The NFC East is not a weak division but I think you have to favor the Redskins at this point.
bgforever
03-22-2006, 11:02 AM
I went with the safe pick in the Giants even though I have zero confidence in Eli Manning and Tom Coughlin seemed to lose the clubhouse late in the season. They have a plethora of offensive weapons and I think their O-line gets underrated sometimes.
Say what you want about Parcells and all his greatness, what has he won without Belichek?
The Eagles had major injuries last year so some of hose guys are still recovering and others will have to knock of some rust. That, and a complete lack of a power running game (please don't draft Lendale White) are why I think the window of opportunity may have shut on Philly.
The NFC East is not a weak division but I think you have to favor the Redskins at this point.
Now that is a good point (What has Parcells won without Belichick?). I have to reconsider my Dallas pick now. crap! :lol1:
big-D-Skins
03-22-2006, 03:08 PM
It will probrobly be the giants becuase they got a really good offence with tiki barber, eli manning, jeramy shocky, and that lomer guy, but i think we will easily be the best of the nfc east becuase the way we finished last season and the signings we did so far, we are gonna be one of the best of the NFL, plus the eagles probrobly still gotta do some rehab before they are going to pose any threat to anyone, and the cowboys are gonna be worse then they are now becuase T.O is not to much better then keyshwn, and bledshoe seems to like the ground more then passing the ball, plus they only got T.O as a reciever,so, they are gonna be in for it come next season.
FanFromArizona
03-22-2006, 08:59 PM
I think I am going to wait to see how free agency and the draft pan out before I consider this. We are still early in free agency, I actually think that our FA offensive signings are going to force the others to stock up on corners.
I think the Giants are one receiver away from making us to get another decent corner. The Giants were an offensive juggernaut last year, but I think we will have the upperhand this year because not much is going to change from how they run their offense. I am just hopeful that when we play the Giants this year that our D is healthy.
santanadasavior
03-22-2006, 09:09 PM
I sure hope you all aren't basing these votes on the first two games that you all have beaten the Cowboys in what 10 years ? The Cowboys are the team to beat in the East . :)
Keep living in the past buddy. It is the way of Cowboys fans, to bring up the good no matter how irrelevant. You keep thinking about Emmitt while we tromp you guys for the division. Then it will be 4 wins in the last 10 years. Is that still enough of an accomplishment for you?
gibbsisgod
03-23-2006, 12:37 AM
interesting...
of all the teams, if you throw out last year, the eagles have been the most consistently solid. the cowboys and giants have been up one year and down the next.
i think this year the giants and cowboys swap places. the giants fall back and dallas makes a run in parcells last season.
it comes down to a 3 way race with the skins edging out the cowboys and eagles for the division, while philly and dallas are both playoff teams.
philly knocks off dallas in a wild card game, and the skins run the table at home beating tampa to go to the superbowl.
skins prevail over denver in the superbowl 35-17....
does D.williams come in and score those 35 points in the 2nd qtr?
gibbsisgod
03-23-2006, 12:39 AM
I went with the giants, tiki and eli is good combo. the whole T.O thing won't get out of control and if it does it will be in the 2nd year.
whitskins
03-23-2006, 01:28 AM
I went with Dallas. I hate their guts but TO and Vanderjerk are two big time additions for them. I know we blew them out late last year but overall they had a decent season and have improved a lot by adding the game's best WR and a great kicker. I still think we are the superior team, but I regard them as next best in the East.
I'm a little surprised with all the love the Giants are getting. Yes, I know they are the 2005 East Champs, but they have done by far the least this offseason to improve themselves.
All they've done is add a few old CBs in hopes of keeping up with our track meet. And even though they won the East title last year, they clearly were not the best team in the division. They won 11 games while playing a softer schedule (games vs. Minny and New Orleans), as well as an additional home game, and two games vs. the Eagles without McNabb.
Their defense still doesn't really scare anyone with a solid O-line and their best WR is invisible in big games. Eli is improving but fell off big time in the second half of the season last year. Tiki is always a threat, but I still don't think he's enough.
Honestly, I regard Philly as a better team than the Giants as well. I think the Giants had their shot last year and when the stars aligned for them the best they could do was an embarrassing blowout loss at home in the first round of the playoffs. I think the rest of the East has done MUCH more to improve themselves than they have.
Keino
03-23-2006, 07:41 AM
I'd say our biggest threats are Santana Moss and Clinton Portis. Teams have to pick one or the other to stop......
As for the NFC East, All 3 of our opponents will be vastly improved....(Ok well maybe not the Giants)
danny's stogie
03-23-2006, 11:01 AM
I went with Dallas. I hate their guts but TO and Vanderjerk are two big time additions for them. I know we blew them out late last year but overall they had a decent season and have improved a lot by adding the game's best WR and a great kicker. I still think we are the superior team, but I regard them as next best in the East.
I'm a little surprised with all the love the Giants are getting. Yes, I know they are the 2005 East Champs, but they have done by far the least this offseason to improve themselves.
All they've done is add a few old CBs in hopes of keeping up with our track meet. And even though they won the East title last year, they clearly were not the best team in the division. They won 11 games while playing a softer schedule (games vs. Minny and New Orleans), as well as an additional home game, and two games vs. the Eagles without McNabb.
Their defense still doesn't really scare anyone with a solid O-line and their best WR is invisible in big games. Eli is improving but fell off big time in the second half of the season last year. Tiki is always a threat, but I still don't think he's enough.
Honestly, I regard Philly as a better team than the Giants as well. I think the Giants had their shot last year and when the stars aligned for them the best they could do was an embarrassing blowout loss at home in the first round of the playoffs. I think the rest of the East has done MUCH more to improve themselves than they have.
The problem with Dallas is that, sure they signed TO, but they still haven't fixed their problems. They still have a QB who is notorious for poor decision making and who flounders down the stretch of every season. They still have a subpar Oline and subpar running game. Their defense still lacks a good coverage safety and still, even though Ayodele is a decent signing, has a below average LBing corp. And they need a better nose tackle to make their defense work and so the Skins' Oline won't own them again this season.
With the Giants, sometimes it's not about the additions a team makes, but the ones they don't make. They aren't losing any key ingredients, but--while I don't necessarily agree with their secondary signings--are adding a few tweaks. It's kind of like the SKins last offseason...keep a core together, add a piece here and there, but not the full makeover that Dallas has had every offseason since BP arrived.
santanadasavior
03-23-2006, 08:49 PM
The problem with Dallas is that, sure they signed TO, but they still haven't fixed their problems. They still have a QB who is notorious for poor decision making and who flounders down the stretch of every season. They still have a subpar Oline and subpar running game. Their defense still lacks a good coverage safety and still, even though Ayodele is a decent signing, has a below average LBing corp. And they need a better nose tackle to make their defense work and so the Skins' Oline won't own them again this season.
With the Giants, sometimes it's not about the additions a team makes, but the ones they don't make. They aren't losing any key ingredients, but--while I don't necessarily agree with their secondary signings--are adding a few tweaks. It's kind of like the SKins last offseason...keep a core together, add a piece here and there, but not the full makeover that Dallas has had every offseason since BP arrived.
I couldn't agree more. The Cowboys are going to do nothing against us. What do we have to do? Double TO. That is it. If they run the ball, we can stop that attack with 4 men in the box. Their defense is alright but they are losing their field generals in Glover and Nyguen. They have lost a lot of experience and added a cancer. They downgraded their team this offseason.
bgforever
03-23-2006, 08:52 PM
It's official, even though the Cowboys still picked up a great kicker, I have negated my pick of them and given it to the Giants for the last 3 siginings, including Keyshawn.
danny's stogie
03-23-2006, 10:49 PM
I couldn't agree more. The Cowboys are going to do nothing against us. What do we have to do? Double TO. That is it. If they run the ball, we can stop that attack with 4 men in the box. Their defense is alright but they are losing their field generals in Glover and Nyguen. They have lost a lot of experience and added a cancer. They downgraded their team this offseason.
I'm actually much more worried about Glenn than I am TO. The Skins have proven they can handle TO, but they showed a susceptibility to speedy wideouts. But who knows what Glenn shows up this season, the one who had a really nice season last year or the one who looked cooked for the 4 seasons before last?
It's official, even though the Cowboys still picked up a great kicker, I have negated my pick of them and given it to the Giants for the last 3 siginings, including Keyshawn.
I think Key signed with the Panthers.
bgforever
03-23-2006, 10:53 PM
I'm actually much more worried about Glenn than I am TO. The Skins have proven they can handle TO, but they showed a susceptibility to speedy wideouts. But who knows what Glenn shows up this season, the one who had a really nice season last year or the one who looked cooked for the 4 seasons before last?
I think Key signed with the Panthers.
thanks, I know they were players in the looks at Johnson, and if the Panthers got him, that was what the doctor ordered, though they will need to make sure to get a player just as good as Johnson. When its only two, with Johnson, you can still D up the corps. However, the edge Smith has may actually ressurect Johnoson's stats a bit.
TOUGHSKIN
03-24-2006, 06:14 AM
I think with the addition of TO I will have to say dallas
robotfire
03-24-2006, 07:21 AM
It seems to me that the Cowboys will want revenge for the embarassment last year. http://www.dallascowboys.com/news.cfm?id=B1B997CF-984A-0953-6C8E4818DCAABD16
This is from www.dallascowboys.com and they talk about the "worst loss"/"most pivotal play".
HILARIOUS!
robotfire
03-24-2006, 07:25 AM
I have to say I'm glad that T.O. went to Dallas. I hate T.O. as a player and I hate Dallas. It's hard having two things to hate, so T.O. went ahead and made it easy for me.
Clint
whitskins
03-24-2006, 07:29 AM
The problem with Dallas is that, sure they signed TO, but they still haven't fixed their problems. They still have a QB who is notorious for poor decision making and who flounders down the stretch of every season. They still have a subpar Oline and subpar running game. Their defense still lacks a good coverage safety and still, even though Ayodele is a decent signing, has a below average LBing corp. And they need a better nose tackle to make their defense work and so the Skins' Oline won't own them again this season.
With the Giants, sometimes it's not about the additions a team makes, but the ones they don't make. They aren't losing any key ingredients, but--while I don't necessarily agree with their secondary signings--are adding a few tweaks. It's kind of like the SKins last offseason...keep a core together, add a piece here and there, but not the full makeover that Dallas has had every offseason since BP arrived.
That's a good point against the Giants, I guess I shouldn't really hold them not adding anyone of serious note against them, but rather the fact that the other three teams have done a lot to improve this offseason (Philly doing so just by getting healthy again).
I do think the Cowboys are pretty darn dangerous now though. Their O-line still has question marks, but getting Flozell Adams back is huge for them, I think their season effectively ended when that guy went down for the year. And Bledsoe may be lacking, but adding the best WR in the game will do a lot for anyone. I think if the media circus that will plague the team all year does not swallow them whole, then they could be really dangerous. I do think having a team with very little veteran leadership and all the pressures of the TO circus will wear on them eventually. I think it's pretty clear that we are the most complete team in the division.
bgforever
03-24-2006, 09:11 AM
That's a good point against the Giants, I guess I shouldn't really hold them not adding anyone of serious note against them, but rather the fact that the other three teams have done a lot to improve this offseason (Philly doing so just by getting healthy again).
I do think the Cowboys are pretty darn dangerous now though. Their O-line still has question marks, but getting Flozell Adams back is huge for them, I think their season effectively ended when that guy went down for the year. And Bledsoe may be lacking, but adding the best WR in the game will do a lot for anyone. I think if the media circus that will plague the team all year does not swallow them whole, then they could be really dangerous. I do think having a team with very little veteran leadership and all the pressures of the TO circus will wear on them eventually. I think it's pretty clear that we are the most complete team in the division.
No DOUBT, ALL TEAMS in the NFC East will be dangerous, but Dallas has some tinkering still to do on Offense and better make sure their MLB is extremely quick. I also think Parcells is a great copier of other teams. You will notice wrinkles in his system, borrowing from here and there. Always been a student of the game. He will get redundant, but at odd times to throw you off. That's what he does. However, He misses a defensive guy like the two he had in NYG/NE and NYJ (Bill Belichick mainly). For that reason, I stick with the Giants, but the Eagles will be pumped to throw everyone off the wagon, win or lose.
Scotty Moyer
03-24-2006, 05:20 PM
I CAN'T REMEMBER THE LAST TIME ALL THE TEAMS IN THE NFC EAST WERE SO GOOD AND FILLED WITH SO MUCH TALENT.(PLAYERS AND COACHES)
THE COWGIRLS WILL GIVE THE SKINS A PROBLEM THE MOST I BELEIVE SO FAR.
BUT NO MATTER WHAT, EVERY WIN WILL BE IMPOTANT TO WIN THE EAST THIS YEAR. WE WILL NEED 12 WINS OR BETTER. IF THE PLAN COMES TOGETHER WE CAN DO IT.:Peace:
santanadasavior
03-24-2006, 06:07 PM
I'm actually much more worried about Glenn than I am TO. The Skins have proven they can handle TO, but they showed a susceptibility to speedy wideouts. But who knows what Glenn shows up this season, the one who had a really nice season last year or the one who looked cooked for the 4 seasons before last?
I would agree with that, but I think Carlos can handle him one on one with the newly added pressure and help over the top.
redwolf1218
03-24-2006, 06:29 PM
it may be an old cliche, but i think our biggest threat is none other than ourselves. if we control the clock and take care of the football and win the turnover ratio, we should be able to beat anyone.
having said all that, i voted for the Eagles. i have more respect for Andy Reid than just about any coach out there. anyone who can take his team to the super bowl with more cap room than any other team in the league has some skills.
tommahawk
03-25-2006, 03:22 AM
After the Giants kicked our butts in the first game last year, I won't be happy untill we sweep them. I voted Giants.
santanadasavior
03-25-2006, 06:46 PM
After the Giants kicked our butts in the first game last year, I won't be happy untill we sweep them. I voted Giants.
Gibbs has not had a good game in NY since he was back. I know it's not a knock on him but it's just a point. We need to take them down on the road until they are not the team to beat.
ChiefPowhatan17
03-26-2006, 09:54 AM
I still think that it's the Giants and Cowboys in that order. I think the eagles are slowly slidding back to mediocrity. Giants are going to be hungry to win after their horrible playoff representation last season.
Dallas is going to be tough, but they still have to figure out who their running back is, plus Bledsoe was not the best at the end of the season. They also have some holes in their Defense. But, it seems the experts love them, but what do they know.
skins111111
03-26-2006, 10:56 AM
I still think that it's the Giants and Cowboys in that order. I think the eagles are slowly slidding back to mediocrity. Giants are going to be hungry to win after their horrible playoff representation last season.
Dallas is going to be tough, but they still have to figure out who their running back is, plus Bledsoe was not the best at the end of the season. They also have some holes in their Defense. But, it seems the experts love them, but what do they know.
is that the "experts" or "so called experts" or even "self proclaimed experts":)
bgforever
03-27-2006, 11:59 AM
After the Giants kicked our butts in the first game last year, I won't be happy untill we sweep them. I voted Giants.
A more refreshing way to look at it.
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