Spurrier vs Norv Turner

[Shabba]

Is it possible for Ballcoach to be another version of Norv Turner. What I mean by that is a lot of hype and expectations but nothing to really show for it.
I don't think he will but is it possible.

Yall remember when Norv was here, every season we got all excited about the team just to have it dashed once the season started not because of lack of talent but just little simple things like running when we should have been passing and vice-versa. Norv was afraid to gamble and that hurt us in some games.

I just see a lot of Ballcoach in Norv Turner moreso than in Marty Shott.

Just an observation yall.

[Seebs]

Well you said Norv was afraid to gamble, maybe the problem with SS is that he's to prone to gamble...

[Hailyeah]

I think we're alot more talented than the Frerotte, Asher, T. Allen, Westbrook, Stubblefield, Derek Smith days. None of those guys (except Allen) ever impressed me. We've got alot of talented ballplayers on the team right now. That doesn't mean we're ready to roll as questions still linger about still existing holes such as the D Line and RBs. I'm not sure yet what Spurrier's NFL legacy will be. Everyone is banking on a much improved, wiser guy this season. We shall see.

[PennSkinsFan]

I agree Hailyeah. I never bought into the Gus Frerotte thing. The difference heere is this..Turner had seven years, Spurrier is only entering his second seasons and no one will argue with the fact that the talent just wasn't there last year. Giving the fact of talent upgrades we did, the quality of players that are here, if we finish 7-9 or 8-8 AGAIN, then i will begin to questiont he Spurrier philosophy. Despite having a brutal schedule, this team must show significant progress witht he moeny spend and quality guys brought here.

[Shabba]

But last years team was the one that Coach Spurrier thought was gonna be a very good one. Many of us did too in the preseason, that is.
We have to give him time I know but I'm hopeing not 7 years.

[Spence]

One difference between Norv and Spurrier: One had been a successful head coach before coming to Washington. College or not, Spurrier was a star coach before we got him. Turner was never anything more than the Coordinator Flavor of the Month. The NFL gets a couple of them every December. Most of them never pan out in the top job.

[PennSkinsFan]

Originally posted by Shabba
But last years team was the one that Coach Spurrier thought was gonna be a very good one. Many of us did too in the preseason, that is.
We have to give him time I know but I'm hopeing not 7 years.


Disagree Shabba. Many of voiced major concerns abotu last years team.

[IowaSkinsFan]

What do all of you locals (DC area) hear on Spurrier as a motivator? I mean, being from Iowa, Redskin coverage here is at a premium, but I do recall hearing once that Terry Robiskie gave the pregame pep talks in the Norv Turner era...I mean, WTF? Isn't that a head coaches main responsibility, to motivate and lead the team....WTH Norv!

I think it's way to early to compare SS to NT. Steve was 7-9 in his first season, Norv only went 3-13. Let's give the old ball coach a chance.

[Hailyeah]

Yes, there were many holes in the roster prior to the 2002 season. Only media types talking about the Fun N Gun exploits in the 2nd half of preseason games boosted up the team. Few of us diehard types were ever fooled by that. We were wishing upon a star that SD would fit in, the line would 'come together', and the QB would be one with the system which would move the ball downfield. I mean, you've gotta have some hope before a season no matter how suspect the situation.

[Spence]

Originally posted by robert11273
What do all of you locals (DC area) hear on Spurrier as a motivator? I mean, being from Iowa, Redskin coverage here is at a premium, but I do recall hearing once that Terry Robiskie gave the pregame pep talks in the Norv Turner era...I mean, WTF? Isn't that a head coaches main responsibility, to motivate and lead the team....WTH Norv!
Norv was a notoriously poor motivator. He seems to have the personality of an engineer. Ideal for a coordinator, not advisable for a head coach. I've never heard of Spurrier being compared to Vince Lombardi as a motivator, but he's not Norv either. Somewhere in the middle. Let's recall that Joe Gibbs was like that, too. He often left motivational speeches to players. [One of my favorite stories involves the ultra-religious Gibbs praising a player for his great pre-game speeches, but asking the guy to cut down on the profanity. He replied: "But, Coach, that's the part everyone likes!"] Generally, Gibbs was famous for flipping his lid and delivering a blistering motivational speech about twice a year.

[Skinzaholic]

I think Spurrier will turn out to be the type of coach you dont want mad at you.

[TexSkin]

Spurrier does not like to lose..Norv always loved to say well the guys tried there best. Spurrier is nothing like Norv..ask any Gator fan. :)

[CarMike]

How can you judge a coach after one year? And it was his rookie year in the league. He didn't know what really was expected of him.

Lets remain patient.....

[Shabba]

Originally posted by PennSkinsFan
Disagree Shabba. Many of voiced major concerns abotu last years team.

I thought we were gonna be good after we went through everyone in the preseason last year. But it did not happen. I se your point though.

[truant]

Every team thinks they are going to be good. I can't blame Spurrier too much. The pieces weren't there for his offense. Norv was a jacko. I don't know how much SS is to blame for high expectations either. If he wasn't in DC he would probably get some props, since 7-9 isn't a bad year for a first year coach.

[Skins57]

Even if SS didn't think we had the guys to play well, he can not say they suck before the season starts as he would have lost the team he had right then and there.

I think SS has enough kahunas to stand up to any player, Norv never did. Norv is an awesome cordinator but as a head coach he is not going to get it done

[TexSkin]

Hehe what was his favorite word about the gator players last year? Cheap and available. :D

[LostinNH]

I have thought since the day Spurrier was hired that he was Norv part 2. As a Gator hater I respected what he did but felt that he wouldn't be successful on the NFL level. Nothing has changed my opinion but I have tried to buy into what he does. Plus I was happy at the time just to be rid of Marty. However doing things like bringing back Woeful makes it very hard for me to have faith in him. I'm not sure he's learned yet that he must adapt to be a success in the NFL.