Fletcher to visit next week

[GolfFreak]

Wash Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/30/AR2006033001625.html)

Free agent cornerback Jamar Fletcher is scheduled to visit Redskins Park on Monday

I'd like to see them go after this guy and groom him to replace Springs in a few years. That would give us such a young secondary and we could go after a LB with our 1st pick in the draft.

[shally]

Wash Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/30/AR2006033001625.html)



I'd like to see them go after this guy and groom him to replace Springs in a few years. That would give us such a young secondary and we could go after a LB with our 1st pick in the draft.

it is good that he will visit. but he is not a williams type of corner. he does not tackle particularly well. i do not know if he was ever used to blitz. he is not nearly as physical as jimoh.

that said, perhaps he can develop and i like the idea of another young corner to develop.

but i bet, like dyson, he will be looking to be paid as a starter, or to be promised a shot at starting. that won't happen until springs retires or there is an injury..

[MWballer]

I'd rather draft a rookie unless were signing him for cheap. He won't be Springs successor either since he's 27 now and by time it's time for him to take Springs place.

[shally]

I'd rather draft a rookie unless were signing him for cheap. He won't be Springs successor either since he's 27 now and by time it's time for him to take Springs place.

i do not think he will come cheap. he is a former #1 pick and you know what those guys think about themselves.. dyson pulled down a pretty large contract with the jets, so i expect fletcher is going to want that kind of money..

maybe wright is still in play? plummer is still out there as far as i know. he gets hurt a lot but he far more physical a corner than fletcher...

[bgforever]

I'd rather draft a rookie unless were signing him for cheap. He won't be Springs successor either since he's 27 now and by time it's time for him to take Springs place.

Yeah he will have to duke it out with Jimoh and Morton. He's about where a healthy Harris was at 27, but with a bit better on the coverage to defend the long pass and hot reads.

[MWballer]

When you add that Fletcher isn't a physical CB and will likely be looking for money I really don't think he's a good idea. When we could mold a guy coming out of the draft who is a GW type CB and younger.

[shally]

When you add that Fletcher isn't a physical CB and will likely be looking for money I really don't think he's a good idea. When we could mold a guy coming out of the draft who is a GW type CB and younger.

i posted my thoughts about fletcher, but despite them, it appears that the staff likes something about him. if williams really wants him, if gray thinks they can make a physical corner out of him, if they can fit him into the salary ladder in a way that makes sense AND he wants to join the team.. then under those circumstances go after him...

but i would prefer that they draft griffin if they have a chance, and sign someone like adams or wayne to supplement clemons at linebacker..JMHO

[redskin_rich]

i posted my thoughts about fletcher, but despite them, it appears that the staff likes something about him. if williams really wants him, if gray thinks they can make a physical corner out of him, if they can fit him into the salary ladder in a way that makes sense AND he wants to join the team.. then under those circumstances go after him...

but i would prefer that they draft griffin if they have a chance, and sign someone like adams or wayne to supplement clemons at linebacker..JMHO
I doubt that the Skins sign Fletcher, unless he comes cheap. They're interviewing him because he is one of the top free agents left at a position we need. I would rather use our first pick in the draft, than pay a lot for our 3rd CB.

As to the LB need, I think Clemons will be fine and it appears that the Skins won't be bringing in any other free agents, at this time, for that position.

[bgforever]

i posted my thoughts about fletcher, but despite them, it appears that the staff likes something about him. if williams really wants him, if gray thinks they can make a physical corner out of him, if they can fit him into the salary ladder in a way that makes sense AND he wants to join the team.. then under those circumstances go after him...

but i would prefer that they draft griffin if they have a chance, and sign someone like adams or wayne to supplement clemons at linebacker..JMHO


Now Griffin would PURE ICING!!!! If we did get Fletcher at a very reasonable price, add him to the competition AND land Griffin (not likely with SF needing so much D help and able to manipulate that #2nd round - Nolan would love to stick it to Danny).

[skins111111]

all I know is that it is very important that we get a premium Nickle

[PA Skins Girl]

Now Griffin would PURE ICING!!!! If we did get Fletcher at a very reasonable price, add him to the competition AND land Griffin (not likely with SF needing so much D help and able to manipulate that #2nd round - Nolan would love to stick it to Danny).
Who's Griffin? Cedric Griffin from Texas?

[bgforever]

Who's Griffin? Cedric Griffin from Texas?


yeah, glad you still here right now

He's about where Jimoh is at this point in ability to step in, the work on him would take less time, so we may bypass Fletcher and take our chances in the draft

[PA Skins Girl]

yeah, glad you still here right now

He's about where Jimoh is at this point in ability to step in, the work on him would take less time, so we may bypass Fletcher and take our chances in the draft
I dont really follow college, so I cant say. But if you like him, that's good enough for me.:)

I think the FO wants to go into the draft without any pressing "needs" though.

[Slobberknocker]

That would give us such a young secondary and we could go after a LB with our 1st pick in the draft.

Now that's what I'm talking about! By addressing a need at CB now, we free up that 2nd pick for either a linebacker or safety -- better yet, the best player available at our position. I recently watched Demeco Ryan on NFL Network "First Draft" and came away much impressed. Total Gibbs guy who studied hard and stayed on the clean and narrow to make his mother proud.

That said, Cedric Griffin would be awesome. More pressing than our needs at either corner or linebacker, especially with Sean's trial coming up.

I wouldn't worry about Fletcher's contract. We have a few factors working in our favor: 1) he's tested the market and nobody's biting 2) he's coming off bitter experiences in Miami (Wannstedt) and SD (Shottenheimer). The chance to play for Gibbs/Williams/Gray knowing he's desired could allow us more negotiating power.

I was recently listening to an analysis of free agency from a player's perspective. Can't remember who it was, but he was saying that as much as money factors in, players gravitate toward team's that express an interest in the guy himself, who show him "love" when he may not have had that at the team he is leaving. It may all be perception, but there's a reason IMHO that we land almost all the players we seek. Gibbs reaches out toward the wife, Snyder flies in the family -- everything we can do to show the prospect that playing for the Skins means perhaps a little more than elsewhere.

If Fletcher walks, if anybody walks from that setup, we can feel pretty confident the guy wasn't right for our team.

Look, if Gibbs/Williams/Gray sign off on Fletcher, I'd bet the farm that he's yet another overlooked diamond we can polish up. How many times has this worked for us in the recent past??? Are we doubting their judgment yet again???

Oh, no. Not me. Anybody they want this much instantly has my attention. Fletcher has an interesting bio. I looked him up at nflplayers.com. He'd fit right in, I think.

[Slobberknocker]

Follow up --

Well, perhaps not as scintillating as I first thought:

... three-year team captain and team MVP as senior ... resides in San Diego ... loves to cook and is an admitted neat freak - insists on doing his own cleaning and laundry ...

But a neat freak sounds like good cornerback material. Maybe I'm reaching a bit. :)

ADD: Majored in behavioral science and law. He's certainly not stupid.

[ConradCountry]

Fletcher would be a great pickup, he is a proven nickle back and a guy who is capable of starting in short sperts.

It looks like his goal of starting is gone so he should come a little cheaper.

[LATrueRedskin]

I'd rather sign LB/draft CB instead of sign CB/draft LB. Linebacker is a much bigger immediate need right now. I'm not comfortable with Clemons as an every-down player.

[ConradCountry]

I'd rather sign LB/draft CB instead of sign CB/draft LB. Linebacker is a much bigger immediate need right now. I'm not comfortable with Clemons as an every-down player.

The problem with drafting a CB is that Williams does not like to play them early, we have seen that Williams will play young LBs.

[PA Skins Girl]

I'd rather sign LB/draft CB instead of sign CB/draft LB. Linebacker is a much bigger immediate need right now. I'm not comfortable with Clemons as an every-down player.
I'd be comfortable with Clemons if I thought he could stay healthy.

[redskin_rich]

I'd be comfortable with Clemons if I thought he could stay healthy.
Has he had injury problems? I remember him being listed but rarely missing games.

[PA Skins Girl]

Has he had injury problems? I remember him being listed but rarely missing games.
He tore his ACL his rookie season (2003) and spent the year on the IR. Last year, he ended up on the IR after hurting his knee. But, I guess the ACL thing shouldnt be counted against him. That could happen to anyone.

[bgforever]

He tore his ACL his rookie season (2003) and spent the year on the IR. Last year, he ended up on the IR after hurting his knee. But, I guess the ACL thing shouldnt be counted against him. That could happen to anyone.

I remember now, yeah, he did get banged up in the season.
Thanks on that.

[shally]

He tore his ACL his rookie season (2003) and spent the year on the IR. Last year, he ended up on the IR after hurting his knee. But, I guess the ACL thing shouldnt be counted against him. That could happen to anyone.

respectfully, i do not think that clemons tore his acl.. not in his first year, not ever.
campbell tore his the year before last, perhaps that is who you are thinking about?
clemons had a partail stretch of his MCL which is a far different type of injury. he came out of college after his junior year against advice, but was not a medical issue then either.

he had a couple of minor injuries his first year as he bounced between the practice squad and played a few games for cleveland before we snatched him off of their practice squad.

let me know if you have a reference that shows i am wrong...

[shally]

Has he had injury problems? I remember him being listed but rarely missing games.

i am with you on your recollection of his history

[SonnyandSam]

Fletcher is not going to get big money. He has been around for five years and the best he can do is play nickel back. He got burned several times in Miami and was inactive for several weeks with San Diego. I have my doubts. Found this interesting info on him though....

http://www.sdhoc.com/main/articles/chargers/fletchersecondchance

In Miami, Fletcher was behind to Pro Bowlers Patrick Surtain and Sam Madison. The Chargers’ two returning starting cornerbacks are 2002 first-rounder Quentin Jammer and 2003 first-rounder Sammy Davis. The Chargers envision Fletcher as a nickel, although he says he wants to compete for a starting job. In Miami, he was criticized for giving up too many big plays, but Fletcher says that’s misleading.

“I have no problem if you pull out my game film and compare it to anybody else,” Fletcher said. “People don’t know what’s going on in those defensive meetings and know what we were trying to do on defense. Every Monday in the press conferences my former coach (Dave Wannstedt) would say I was playing as well as anybody, but I became the scapegoat. My confidence is still high. I want to come out here and prove to everybody how good a player I am.”

Chargers coach Marty Schottenheimer, who says he prefers 6-2 cornerbacks, says Fletcher’s lack of height has hurt him in the step up from college to the NFL.
“What you’re seeing in the National Football League are so many big, big receivers, and it’s not easy for the undersized guy to compete, particularly in the bump and run,” Schottenheimer said. “I happen to think Jamar’s best role is going to be playing man to from off. He’s got terrific instincts, terrific quickness and very good ball skills. That’s the role I foresee for him. My feeling is he’s got the skills for a corner other than the 6-1 height.”

[shally]

Fletcher is not going to get big money. He has been around for five years and the best he can do is play nickel back. He got burned several times in Miami and was inactive for several weeks with San Diego. I have my doubts. Found this interesting info on him though....

http://www.sdhoc.com/main/articles/chargers/fletchersecondchance

that is interesting... and it did not stop the skins from playing walt harris as #3 at less than 6 feet.. i do not think that height is the issue. i think physicality is...

as far as how often he got toasted in san diego, i cannot say because i did not see a lot of their games. but it did seem to me that when they were showing highlight plays, he seemed to be on the wrong side of the outcome a lot. just an impression and if someone has a stronger basis to comment upon him, i will yield.

it remains to be seen how large a contract he is expecting.

[LATrueRedskin]

I'd be comfortable with Clemons if I thought he could stay healthy.

I just don't think he'll be good as an all around player. He's fantastic at putting pressure on the QB, but we haven't seen much of him in read-and-react and in coverage. Yes, he hasn't had the opportunity to do so, but I think that speaks volumes in itself.

[Slobberknocker]

He’s got terrific instincts, terrific quickness and very good ball skills. That’s the role I foresee for him. My feeling is he’s got the skills for a corner other than the 6-1 height.”

The kid played for Wannstedt and Schottenheimer. Hasn't he suffered enough?

Everybody says our receivers are undersized too. Instinct, quickness and ball skills -- ya think Williams and Gray can do something with that?

[shally]

He’s got terrific instincts, terrific quickness and very good ball skills. That’s the role I foresee for him. My feeling is he’s got the skills for a corner other than the 6-1 height.”

The kid played for Wannstedt and Schottenheimer. Hasn't he suffered enough?

like playing offense under spurrier... the effects last a lifetime...

kffl posted that kenny wright came and went without a contract offer from the skins today.. fletcher comes in monday for a visit. let's see what happens to him

[Slobberknocker]

like playing offense under spurrier... the effects last a lifetime...

kffl posted that kenny wright came and went without a contract offer from the skins today.. fletcher comes in monday for a visit. let's see what happens to him

Kenny Wright is supposedly considering his options. I guess that's crucial when you're auditioning for a nickle role. But hey, if they're smart they'll realize it's the Redskins here. We rotate and scheme a lot. Our "backups" saw wayyyyy too much playing time last year and we NEED great personnel to rotate. Either guy could blossom into key components of our defense. Just look how many times we got burned by Uncle Walt last season.

[shally]

Kenny Wright is supposedly considering his options. I guess that's crucial when you're auditioning for a nickle role. But hey, if they're smart they'll realize it's the Redskins here. We rotate and scheme a lot. Our "backups" saw wayyyyy too much playing time last year and we NEED great personnel to rotate. Either guy could blossom into key components of our defense. Just look how many times we got burned by Uncle Walt last season.

from the item it appears that it was the skins who decided not to offer wright a deal, not the other way around.. let's see if fletcher gets an offer on monday..
if not, my guess is that we don't sign a free agent and the odds of drafting a corner in the 2nd round shoot way up

[BigCountry]

When our secondary coach is more qualified as a head coach then a handful of current head coaches, I pretty much trust whatever the're cunjuring up.

[shally]

When our secondary coach is more qualified as a head coach then a handful of current head coaches, I pretty much trust whatever the're cunjuring up.


i agree. i just posted a response on another thread here that i think the gray signing is not being given as much press because of all the other good news. could end up being really a big deal. walker was a quality coach, but nobody was considering him as a head coach. gray was a hot commodity last year and got hurt by the turmoil in buffalo, but he is still first rate

[Slobberknocker]

When our secondary coach is more qualified as a head coach then a handful of current head coaches, I pretty much trust whatever the're cunjuring up.

Did you happen to hear how excited Shawn Springs is to work with him? It's posted in another link. I heard the excitement in his voice during the interview with Larry Michael. He mentioned that he was going to learn a lot.

Has anybody mentioned how much better our DBs will have to become practicing against Moss/El/Lloyd/Patten/Cooley running Saunders' schemes? They'll look forward to Sundays when things will lighten up a bit!

If Jerry wants Fletcher, let's get him.

[ukskin]

respectfully, i do not think that clemons tore his acl.. not in his first year, not ever.
campbell tore his the year before last, perhaps that is who you are thinking about?
clemons had a partail stretch of his MCL which is a far different type of injury. he came out of college after his junior year against advice, but was not a medical issue then either.

he had a couple of minor injuries his first year as he bounced between the practice squad and played a few games for cleveland before we snatched him off of their practice squad.

let me know if you have a reference that shows i am wrong...

http://www.redskins.com/team/profile.jsp?id=96

2003: Clemons spent the entire 2003 season on injured reserve after suffering a torn ACL

It also appears he missed some time in his freshman year at College.

[Duck Fallas]

Danny Boy, Joe, and the rest of the Redskin crew never seem to let us down. Who really knows what they have planned for the cornerback and linebacker positions? I'm sure they have something up their sleeves.

[RichardBradley]

Please stay away from this guy I watched him for years in Miami and he is garbage

[PA Skins Girl]

http://www.redskins.com/team/profile.jsp?id=96



It also appears he missed some time in his freshman year at College.
Thanks, ukskin.

[GolfFreak]

Please stay away from this guy I watched him for years in Miami and he is garbage

But maybe his game has changed in the pros ... if he is from the U then he's definitly going to sign here!

[redwolf1218]

5'-10", 175, 4.45 in the 40...not real big, not real tall, not real fast...i'm not real sure about this one.

[RichardBradley]

But maybe his game has changed in the pros ... if he is from the U then he's definitly going to sign here!


he went to college in wisconson he played for the dolphins

[vabeach_skinsfan]

5'-10", 175, 4.45 in the 40...not real big, not real tall, not real fast...i'm not real sure about this one.

That type of speed is not realy acceptable for a starting CB, maybe nickel back.

[CNYSkinFan]

5'-10", 175, 4.45 in the 40...not real big, not real tall, not real fast...i'm not real sure about this one.
A perfect nickle though. We have room in our cap to offer a moderate contract, say Walt Harris size from 3 years ago to get a guy with starter's ambition but also who wants to win and wants to play for the skins coaches.

I have long advocated getting a good CB in fa to play nickle and Fletcher fits that role. I find that more important then OLB since our offense should be scoring early and often and the first guy off the field will be the Will LB to make way for the nickle. The nIckle should be considered a 12th starter in today's pass happy NFL.

I hope they make Fletcher a modest but respectable offer on Monday and not let him out of here without him signing it.

[joethefan]

but the funny thing is, if they are looking at this guy, I guess they don't have any plans for Jimoh.
or do they

[joethefan]

but the funny thing is, if they are looking at this guy, I guess they don't have any plans for Jimoh.
or do they

[CNYSkinFan]

but the funny thing is, if they are looking at this guy, I guess they don't have any plans for Jimoh.
or do they
Yes....and yes lol

seriously Jimoh can be the dime nickle. He would be a very adequate dime nickle and the best special teamer on the squad. I would just rather not have Jiomoh as our primary nickle CB...not yet.

[shally]

Yes....and yes lol

seriously Jimoh can be the dime nickle. He would be a very adequate dime nickle and the best special teamer on the squad. I would just rather not have Jiomoh as our primary nickle CB...not yet.

i agree with your assessment of the need, but if jimoh continues to follow the trajectory of improvement he has shown over the past couple of years he could surprise a lot of people.. i know his play really surprised me last year-- and not just on special teams

[Slobberknocker]

Sure, but the key word is not either/or but and. Jimoh has improved by leaps and bounds, but adding Fletcher will only help us down the stretch when key injuries could put us at risk against 3&4 wide sets. Seeking a nickle is tricky because most guys would prefer to be the full-time starter. I think when Fletcher gets here, he'll realize that with us, he will be a crucial guy and not somebody we utilyze poorly and allow to get burned.

“I have no problem if you pull out my game film and compare it to anybody else,” Fletcher said. “People don’t know what’s going on in those defensive meetings and know what we were trying to do on defense. Every Monday in the press conferences my former coach (Dave Wannstedt) would say I was playing as well as anybody, but I became the scapegoat. My confidence is still high. I want to come out here and prove to everybody how good a player I am.”

This sounds just the type of candidate for a nickle in OUR system, a guy who can whip his career into shape a la the departed Antonio Pierce, Ryan Clark an our stalwart, Lamar Marshall. If Fletcher is smart -- and I believe he is with majors in law and behavioral science -- he'll realize that playing in a high-calibre defense with great coaching is just the ticket to shine up a smudged resume. If he really has the skills, which he certainly believes he does (and why shouldn't he, you have to have confidence to play corner), then the situation here will be win-win all around.

If Fletcher sees it that way, he'll sign. If not, we move on. If we've been in contact with this guy since early March then we clearly see something here he brings to the table.

I hope this works. We're adding depth all around, people!

[whistleandthumb]

We need young cornerbacks to fill up the depth chart. If we're bringing him in, that means GW has done his homework on this guy, and thinks he could be Redskin material. We need the depth and we need good players who can step in if needed... maybe this guy could work out...

[Redskinfan28]

it is good that he will visit. but he is not a williams type of corner. he does not tackle particularly well. i do not know if he was ever used to blitz. he is not nearly as physical as jimoh.


Why would Williams bring him in (or agree to) if he was wasn't a corner Williams would use?

[Axegrinder]

Follow up --

Well, perhaps not as scintillating as I first thought:

... three-year team captain and team MVP as senior ... resides in San Diego ... loves to cook and is an admitted neat freak - insists on doing his own cleaning and laundry ...

But a neat freak sounds like good cornerback material. Maybe I'm reaching a bit. :)

ADD: Majored in behavioral science and law. He's certainly not stupid.
This means that he's very detail oriented.

[Redskinfan28]

http://www.thedolphinsmakemecry.com/afein011903.html

[ConradCountry]

http://www.thedolphinsmakemecry.com/afein011903.html

That article is out of date, Fletcher played well in a nickle role for the Chargers.

[Slobberknocker]

Why would Williams bring him in (or agree to) if he was wasn't a corner Williams would use?

:banghead: No comment.

[darkwing99]

I still would draft Cedric Griffin because....

1. He is projected as both a safety and a CB. We could use the depth in both areas especially with Taylors legal situation as most people know.

2. He has the height 6 feet, weight to support the run 198lbs and ran a good 40 time on his pro day (4.4 40 yard I think)..... so he should be able to support the run and still be able to cover receivers deep (His game speed is decent for a Nickleback and a future 2nd corner).

3. Lastly, you can never have a glut of CB's and I think he can slide into the number 2 spot when Spring retires and Rogers moves to first. Home grown talent at CB's is always a good thing and we should be set for a while at CB barring any injuries.

Overall, I like Akh's mock draft having us take Cedric Griffin in the 2nd round but if there is a higher rated linebacker on the board when our turn is up then we take the linebacker. We might find a serviceable LB better than Holdman in FA, could draft a LB in the later rounds (definitely will) or use one of our own guys ( Clemon ) to plug in that hole until we can find a better replacement. So I do hope we take Griffin unless there is a higher rated LB available when our turn comes up (which I doubt).

[Slobberknocker]

I still would draft Cedric Griffin because....

1. He is projected as both a safety and a CB. We could use the depth in both areas especially with Taylors legal situation as most people know.

Versatility is the key. Safety is the one position we're still down a man (add Archuleta, lose Clark and Stoutmire), and having Griffin would be a brilliant stoke.

I'm all for it, plus Gibbs could trot out one of his favorite acorns on draft day because it would apply yet again: "Maybe we just like winners."

On draft day, I'm putting up a poster to remind me:
1: Jason Campbell
2: (Cedric Griffin, etc)
3: Brandon Lloyd
4: Jason Campbell (Pt. 2)

I think a CB/S would be good value in the second round, but our FA moves have allowed us to take the best player available in one of our need areas.

LOVE IT.

[Slobberknocker]

One thing is for sure, and the league had better watch out: our brain trust sure has a plan. We've taken weaknesses and turned them into strengths. Look at how much depth we're building! RB, QB, WR, OL (in progress)... Fletcher would be another small piece, Griffin could be another, suddenly you can add CB and S to the mix. This team gets stronger day by day...

[bantu]

I'm liking the idea more and more as I read everyone's posts about Griffin. Versatility is a key component of GW's defense, as every player regardless of position is aked to perform a wide array of duties on the field.

I'm kind of hoping we could still land a premiere-talent CB at our 53rd pick. Kelly Jennings is probably a reach, but someone like Richard Marshall out of Fresno State, is possible. Marshall has every physical trait you could ask for in a corner except elite size. He isn't that small either, listed at 5'11" 190, and the only real negative on him is that he needs to be coached more because does not read routes that well. Well, I think our coaching staff is up to that challenge.

If we address our CB need in the draft, I think we will be ok. This draft is deep with good nickel-type corners who could develop into more.

Griffin does sound great, but he is moving up boards fast right now. Apparently his stock is rising as we speak.

[CNYSkinFan]

I would like Jamar Feltcher and Griffen to be quite honest. Our backfield would then look something like this

Starting Safeties: Sean Taylor, Adam Archueleta
Starting Corner: Sean Springs, Carlos Rogers
Nickle Corner: Jamar Fletcher
Dime Corner: Ade Jimoh
Quarter Safety: Pierson Prioleau

Cedric Griffen can then take time to progress and challenge Ade, Jamar, & Pierson for their roles on offense or stepo in when injuries occur.

[darkwing99]

I would like Jamar Feltcher and Griffen to be quite honest. Our backfield would then look something like this

Starting Safeties: Sean Taylor, Adam Archueleta
Starting Corner: Sean Springs, Carlos Rogers
Nickle Corner: Jamar Fletcher
Dime Corner: Ade Jimoh
Quarter Safety: Pierson Prioleau

Cedric Griffen can then take time to progress and challenge Ade, Jamar, & Pierson for their roles on offense or stepo in when injuries occur.

But do we have the cap space to get Fletcher and still sign draft picks while we are kinda sucking at the LB spot? Now this is the critical question.

[AliBabba]

Whether we sign Fletcher or not I think it's much more important that we draft a CB than a LB with our first pick. GW can groom or mold raw talent into a very effective linebacker. (see A.Pierce/L.Marshall) But a CB needs to have some talent and physical characteristics to begin with that cannot be taught (see W.Harris). I think Fletcher would be a good sign if cheap, I like Wright's size and physicallity more ... but ultimately let's draft a talented guy and groom him to take SS' spot in a little while.

Wayne, Adams, Clemons, even possibly Campbell could all do a very good job at LB and later round draft pick this year could blossom into a stud a year or two from now.

[CNYSkinFan]

But do we have the cap space to get Fletcher and still sign draft picks while we are kinda sucking at the LB spot? Now this is the critical question.

Yeah. We are at about 4.5 millions. Are only modestly expensive draft pick will be the 2nd. All players in the 5th + will be vet minimum type guys...if they even make the final roster.

We have enough for a contract of say 5 years for 10 million with a 3 million sb?

[AliBabba]

Yeah. We are at about 4.5 millions. Are only modestly expensive draft pick will be the 2nd. All players in the 5th + will be vet minimum type guys...if they even make the final roster.

We have enough for a contract of say 5 years for 10 million with a 3 million sb?


too much for this guy ... that's just less than what Dyson received ... I don't think they are that close talent wise

[garedskin]

Dont think he would be able to replace springs,but he would be a decent 3rd cb for now.I hope they draft a cb with there first pick(2nd rd) on draft day.I like Antonio Cromartie(Florida ST.),He is a good play maker and I like his size and speed.:Peace:

[darkwing99]

Dont think he would be able to replace springs,but he would be a decent 3rd cb for now.I hope they draft a cb with there first pick(2nd rd) on draft day.I like Antonio Cromartie(Florida ST.),He is a good play maker and I like his size and speed.:Peace:

He isn't making it down too us...... Good pro day 4.32 40 yard dash and had a good workout on pro day showing bad knee has healed. Trust me I want him too, he is on my list.

[Slobberknocker]

I like Antonio Cromartie(Florida ST.),He is a good play maker and I like his size and speed.

You and the whole draft board. Once Cromartie proved at the combine and pro day that he had recovered from his injury, falling to the 2nd round became mute. If that happened, well, I suppose Keira Knightley is free this weekend after all.

[CNYSkinFan]

too much for this guy ... that's just less than what Dyson received ... I don't think they are that close talent wise
I agree, all I am saaying is we have room for a contract of that size if we want to.

[chrisbcbu]

Yeah. We are at about 4.5 millions. Are only modestly expensive draft pick will be the 2nd. All players in the 5th + will be vet minimum type guys...if they even make the final roster.

We have enough for a contract of say 5 years for 10 million with a 3 million sb?

I think we are running low on cap space. We may actually need some more players to restructure their contracts. we have 4.5 million left but we still have to give Lloyd a long term contract and also Clemons as well. That will take another 1.5 -2 million off. So that leaves 3-2.5 million left in cap space to sign draft picks and a possible WLB/CB.

[CNYSkinFan]

I think we are running low on cap space. We may actually need some more players to restructure their contracts. we have 4.5 million left but we still have to give Lloyd a long term contract and also Clemons as well. That will take another 1.5 -2 million off. So that leaves 3-2.5 million left in cap space to sign draft picks and a possible WLB/CB.
Not neccesarily. Lloyd's contract can be an extension, like we did with Moss. The new contract will start next year, not this one. Clemons does not need a long term contract yet, nor will he sign one. He will play this year and try and start and look to cash in next year. Next year we are in a MUCH better cap situation.

[chrisbcbu]

Not neccesarily. Lloyd's contract can be an extension, like we did with Moss. The new contract will start next year, not this one. Clemons does not need a long term contract yet, nor will he sign one. He will play this year and try and start and look to cash in next year. Next year we are in a MUCH better cap situation.

Well now that im actually thinking about it once they sign a long term contract we would actually get back the tender amts. In Lloyds case we would get the 1.6 million back to be able to use towards a longterm contract.

Dont forget Moss was traded but he was still under contract. Lloyd is different since he is actually a RFA that we traded for the rights to.

[Red Bear]

I think we are running low on cap space. We may actually need some more players to restructure their contracts. we have 4.5 million left but we still have to give Lloyd a long term contract and also Clemons as well. That will take another 1.5 -2 million off. So that leaves 3-2.5 million left in cap space to sign draft picks and a possible WLB/CB.

i think clemons tender offer, even tho not signed, already counts against the cap. correct me if im wrong people.

[Red Bear]

Well now that im actually thinking about it once they sign a long term contract we would actually get back the tender amts. In Lloyds case we would get the 1.6 million back to be able to use towards a longterm contract.

Dont forget Moss was traded but he was still under contract. Lloyd is different since he is actually a RFA that we traded for the rights to.

what i think would happen in Lloyds case, is he would have to sign the tender first, then sign his new contract as an extension.

[CNYSkinFan]

Well now that im actually thinking about it once they sign a long term contract we would actually get back the tender amts. In Lloyds case we would get the 1.6 million back to be able to use towards a longterm contract.

Dont forget Moss was traded but he was still under contract. Lloyd is different since he is actually a RFA that we traded for the rights to.
Right now we are about right at the cap number for this year next year. Take into account roster bonus conversions, increase in the cap and expected cuts like Jacobs, Patten, Wynn (all next year except for Jacobs who may get the axe this year) we could be around 10 million under the cap next year and only have to wrap up Dock and Lloyd from our expected starting players. We could then afford decent contract extensions to Taylor and Cooley.

[CNYSkinFan]

i think clemons tender offer, even tho not signed, already counts against the cap. correct me if im wrong people.
true dat.....all tenders count against the cap already.

[HanburgerBum]

Fletcher is not going to get big money. He has been around for five years and the best he can do is play nickel back. He got burned several times in Miami and was inactive for several weeks with San Diego. I have my doubts. Found this interesting info on him though....

http://www.sdhoc.com/main/articles/chargers/fletchersecondchance


If Schottenheimer thinks Fletcher is too short, that's good enough for me. Sign Fletcher IMMEDIATELY.

Good old Marty (one of the most mediocre head coaches of all time--it takes great coaching talent to miss the playoffs with a SD team that talented), still hung up on size. He insisted on the Skins picking Rod Gardner (while passing on Santana Moss) because he felt a "big" receiver was a vital need. How did that work out, Marty?

For skill positions, size is extremely over-rated (especially with the new pass defense rules). It is much more important that the player has "big" talent and plays "big". Who cares how tall he is?

[Dept_of_Defense]

If Schottenheimer thinks Fletcher is too short, that's good enough for me. Sign Fletcher IMMEDIATELY.

Good old Marty (one of the most mediocre head coaches of all time--it takes great coaching talent to miss the playoffs with a SD team that talented), still hung up on size. He insisted on the Skins picking Rod Gardner (while passing on Santana Moss) because he felt a "big" receiver was a vital need. How did that work out, Marty?

For skill positions, size is extremely over-rated (especially with the new pass defense rules). It is much more important that the player has "big" talent and plays "big". Who cares how tall he is?
Wow I never even thought about it that way. Fletcher is a great fit for nickelback with as much experience and playing time he's gotten.

[AliBabba]

Wow I never even thought about it that way. Fletcher is a great fit for nickelback with as much experience and playing time he's gotten.

I agree he would be worth a chance at nickle for the right price (A contract with TCV under $10M and annuals of under $2M) ... he has played in 71 games and is a former first round pick ... but he isn't a long-term solution and SS is 31 years old, so I would really like to sign him only with the intention of drafting somebody else to climb the ladder past him next year and ultimately into a starting role after SS is done

[ConradCountry]

I say th+at we sign him and then draft another CB in the 4th.

[Red Bear]

we dont have a 4th round pick, this year or next year

[bgforever]

But do we have the cap space to get Fletcher and still sign draft picks while we are kinda sucking at the LB spot? Now this is the critical question.

we'd have to cut a lineman and a current CB, maybe a wideout

[redwolf1218]

we'd have to cut a lineman and a current CB, maybe a wideout
we'll be okay...

http://redskins.scout.com/3/salary_cap_chart.html

under the "rule of 51" only the top 51 count against the cap so the late round picks or free agents signing for the minimum wont count anyway. plus we still have a couple of guys who could re-do their deals, some of whom were already prepared to do so before the extension was signed to the bargaining agreement.

[bgforever]

we'll be okay...

http://redskins.scout.com/3/salary_cap_chart.html

under the "rule of 51" only the top 51 count against the cap so the late round picks or free agents signing for the minimum wont count anyway. plus we still have a couple of guys who could re-do their deals, some of whom were already prepared to do so before the extension was signed to the bargaining agreement.


Thanks!

[redwolf1218]

Thanks!
you're welcome. Randy Thomas was going to re-do his deal, while he's still recovering from a broken leg, but then they said it wasn't necessary because of the new agreement. he could still do it though if need be.

[Hr fan]

Please stay away from this guy I watched him for years in Miami and he is garbage

Read an article about this year's CB class that said there are plenty of good corners IF THEY GO TO THE RIGHT TEAM. IN OTHER WORDS. DON'T DRAFT A SMALL CORNER TO PLAY COVER 2, AND DON'T DRAFT A BIG CORNER TO PLAY MAN. Emphasis shows their words, not mine.

If I am not mistaken both Miami and San Diego play cover 2, which is why they like big corners and why Fletcher never fit in. We play more man, which is suited to Fletcher's size and abilities more than his previous pro stops.

[shally]

Wash Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/30/AR2006033001625.html)



I'd like to see them go after this guy and groom him to replace Springs in a few years. That would give us such a young secondary and we could go after a LB with our 1st pick in the draft.

i doubt it, if the wright signing is true.. icannot see us doing what the giants are doing this offseason

[the real moss89]

If we can sign him cheap i guess we should. If we can't sign him cheap then we should look at other corners or look to the draft.

[IMALILTEAPOT]

the bottom line is, we dont know jack about him unless we have seen a lot of san diego or miami games. i cant make any predictions or analyze him, cuz frankly i dont know anything about him. if he comes im cool, if he doesnt, i dont really care.

[RichardBradley]

Fletcher's big weakness in Miami is he couldn't tackle and we all know that you have to tackle

[shally]

Fletcher's big weakness in Miami is he couldn't tackle and we all know that you have to tackle


which is why, if we have a choice, i would prefer for them to sign wright. by every description he is a physical corner..

[tommahawk]

From my understanding Fletcher is looking for the big pay-day.
I say he shouldn't get it here.
Some team will offer him more than he is worth anyway.
I say go with the draft for another corner. We need the young blood to learn from Springs and coach Gray.

[shally]

From my understanding Fletcher is looking for the big pay-day.
I say he shouldn't get it here.
Some team will offer him more than he is worth anyway.
I say go with the draft for another corner. We need the young blood to learn from Springs and coach Gray.

he won't be getting it from the skins.. it is being quoted at extremeskins that he is not coming to the skins tomorrow anymore

[redwolf1218]

he won't be getting it from the skins.. it is being quoted at extremeskins that he is not coming to the skins tomorrow anymore
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/03/AR2006040300002.html

he canceled his visit.

[smoak]

Yeah, guys like Fletcher are learning it is best to be realistic than go for a homerun pay day and have all the early FA money dry up.

[whitskins]

Fletcher probably caught wind that we are about to sign Wright. Wright sounds like a more prototypical Williams corner anyways. As long as we get somebody capable to fill the nickel back hole then I'll be happy.

[RichardBradley]

if he has cancelled his visit it is good news.... He tackles like Stanley Richards

[GolfFreak]

At least we have another option, always nice to pick between two players and go for the best fit. I like what I hear about Wright and now we can focus on the draft.

[CNYSkinFan]

oh well, I liked Fletcher but Wright is an adequate replacement.

[bgforever]

Saw it on KFFL, that Fletcher postponed his visit, so it doesn't even have the impact of criticalness with him, since we have another in mind, as pointed out. I hope we nail Wright without him leaving.

[shally]

short note by andyman over at extremeskins this morning saying wright was signed over the weekend and that was why fletcher cancelled.

that settles it for me

[Red Bear]

redskins.com reported wright has been signed

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=16267