DNA Testing Finds No Match In Duke Lacrosse Case: Updated 12/28/06

[CarMike]

http://www.wral.com/apncnews/8602855/detail.html
DURHAM, N.C. -- There is no DNA match between members of Duke University's men's lacrosse team and an exotic dancer who told police she was raped at a team party, attorneys for the team said Monday.

"No DNA material from any young man was present on the body of this complaining woman," said Raleigh attorney Wade Smith.

Citing DNA test results delivered by the state crime lab to police and prosecutors a few hours earlier, the attorneys said the test results prove their clients did not sexually assault and beat a stripper hired to perform at a March 13 team party.

No charged have been filed in the case. The alleged victim, a 27-year-old student at nearby North Carolina Central University, told police she and another woman were hired to dance at the party. The woman told police that three men at the party dragged her into a bathroom, choked her, raped her and sodomized her.
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[CarMike]

Wow. This could get interesting. Why in the world would she lie about something so serious as being raped?

[The Skinsinator]

Wow. This could get interesting. Why in the world would she lie about something so serious as being raped?Attention Attention Attention. This also come into play in Kobe Bryant's case imo. Finally, about 10-12 years ago with Michael Irvin and Nate Newton (very surprised nothing surfaced here.)

[CarMike]

It would seem she should know that the truth would come out in the end. So why in the world lie about something so serious. I just don't get it.

I do agree with you Skinsinator. I suppose she was after attention.

I wonder if they'll file charges against her now? If I had been put through what those players were, i'd serious think about filing some charges.

[The Skinsinator]

It would seem she should know that the truth would come out in the end. So why in the world lie about something so serious. I just don't get it.

I do agree with you Skinsinator. I suppose she was after attention.

I wonder if they'll file charges against her now? If I had been put through what those players were, i'd serious think about filing some charges.Probably not. Too sensitive of an issue. If someone totally fabricates a crime of this magnitude they should be charged with a crime. It's totally and completely insensitive and selfish. Really makes you wonder how these people think. There is an absolute difference between rape and consenual sex and everyone knows it.

[rskinsfan10]

I'm not down with the particulars of this case, but I'd just like to point out that the absence of DNA doesn't mean that she wasn't raped. The proper use of a condom would prevent DNA from any of players showing up in these tests, I believe. Now, if part of her claim is that none of them used condoms, then that is a different story.

[akhhorus]

Wow. This could get interesting. Why in the world would she lie about something so serious as being raped?

I dont think she's lying, but one word might explain the DNA tests: condoms.

[akhhorus]

I'm not down with the particulars of this case, but I'd just like to point out that the absence of DNA doesn't mean that she wasn't raped. The proper use of a condom would prevent DNA from any of players showing up in these tests, I believe. Now, if part of her claim is that none of them used condoms, then that is a different story.

Yeah, and the fact that the Lax players had the money that was paid to her, and her cell phone and her purse and some other stuff of her means that she's telling the truth(because she claimed they choked, beat and robbed her after the rape), or they are just robbers.

[CarMike]

Yeah, Beverly brought up the condom issue. She also mentioned that they could have not been LAX players at Duke. They could have been friends of friends. So they may have missed out on the real culprits DNA.

I guess it'll be smart to let this play out completely before jumping to conclusions...

[akhhorus]

Yeah, Beverly brought up the condom issue. She also mentioned that they could have not been LAX players at Duke. They could have been friends of friends. So they may have missed out on the real culprits DNA.

I guess it'll be smart to let this play out completely before jumping to conclusions...

Well, if it was friends of the lax players, then the players need to come clean and tell what they know. They didn't think it was weird that the stripper left her money that they payed her, her cell and other personal ideas behind? They had them in the house. And their lawyers are claiming that they have pictures from the party that show the stripper there. Then they would also know who was at the party.

[redskin_rich]

I'm not too familiar with all the details on this case either. Condoms seem unlikely in a rape, if that is what happened. My question to all you CSI experts is, with multiple offenders, could all the DNA get mixed up, so that no identifiable pattern could be found?

[The Skinsinator]

We don't if she was actually raped or not. Everything currently is highly speculative and no conclusions should be drawn as of now. Women have been raped and have totally fabricated the allegation. The lack of dna can make one think perhaps she wasn't but it is still a possibility that she was. More to come I'm sure.

[Chief Seeway]

I'm not too familiar with all the details on this case either. Condoms seem unlikely in a rape, if that is what happened. My question to all you CSI experts is, with multiple offenders, could all the DNA get mixed up, so that no identifiable pattern could be found?

Yuk!!!! :)

The article seems sketchy. Does "no DNA match" mean there is DNA... ahem... residue but it didn't match those tested or does it mean there wasn't any "DNA" found?

Use of a condom doesn't mean it wasn't a rape on the same note presence of semen doesn't prove it was a rape either.

[CarMike]

Yuk!!!! :)

The article seems sketchy. Does "no DNA match" mean there is DNA... ahem... residue but it didn't match those tested or does it mean there wasn't any "DNA" found?

Use of a condom doesn't mean it wasn't a rape on the same note presence of semen doesn't prove it was a rape either.
Thats what i'm wondering too. But from what i've read so far there was no "fluids" found. And the local news also said she was at a party earlier that night. Showed up drunk with bruises already on her body.

:whoknows:

[CarMike]

Sounds like the Duke LAX team has a history of off the field problems...also talks about the other teams at Duke...

http://www.newsobserver.com/1185/story/427038.html
The warning signs of a Duke University lacrosse team skidding toward disaster are scattered through the courthouse records of Durham and Orange counties -- and have been for at least the past seven years.
Speeding down I-40 while drunk. Urinating in public. Using an adult's ID to buy a case of beer while underage. Kicking in the slats of a fence after an argument with a girlfriend.

Since 1999, records show, 41 Blue Devil lacrosse players -- about 31 percent of all players on the roster from then until now -- have been charged with a variety of rowdy and drunken acts.

Of this year's squad of 47 players -- their season canceled, their coach exiled and their university shamed -- roughly a third have been charged with similar misdemeanors.

[smoak]

I just hope the truth comes to light and the guilty party is punished.

[RedskinsDave]

Sounds like the Duke LAX team has a history of off the field problems...also talks about the other teams at Duke...

http://www.newsobserver.com/1185/story/427038.html

One third have been charged with drunken acts? Sounds like the same percentage of my friends in college. They may be stupid but I think this stat is just something dug up by the press.

I don't think these guys are remotely innocent but it may be real hard to prove guilt.

[dj_stouty]

I heard on the news today that they have pictures of the girl arriving to the "party" already bruised up.

[akhhorus]

I heard on the news today that they have pictures of the girl arriving to the "party" already bruised up.

I doubt they have pictures of all the bruises. The DA said there was bruising consistant with a sexual assault.

I would still like to know how the lax players ended up with her personal belonging and the money she was to be paid. Something happened there, who knows if we'll ever know what happened.

[smoak]

I heard on the news today that they have pictures of the girl arriving to the "party" already bruised up.

I've heard that claim as well, but not sure I believe it considerign it is coming from the defense and they have no reason not to release them.

[RedskinsDave]

I think one thing we do know is that there was a lot of convicting going on before all the evidence was in. Innocent until proven guilty was not used by the school. The season should not have been cancelled and the coach not forced to resign until there was more information.

[smoak]

I think one thing we do know is that there was a lot of convicting going on before all the evidence was in. Innocent until proven guilty was not used by the school. The season should not have been cancelled and the coach not forced to resign until there was more information.

I agree on the coach b/c these players are adults (as opposed to possibly firing a HS coach). But the cancelling the season is the right call. You don't want to jeopardize the safety of the players or fans given the intensity of opinion on both sides AND the players were not cooperating with authorities. IMO they have to be guilty of something... it just may not include rape.

[CarMike]

I agree Dave.

But I think the coach resigned mostly due to the email cops found after the supposed rape happened. 6 hours after that email became public the coach resigned.

[akhhorus]

I agree Dave.

But I think the coach resigned mostly due to the email cops found after the supposed rape happened. 6 hours after that email became public the coach resigned.

I think he was out no matter what. It is clear that the lax team had no discipline and was out of control.

[RedskinsDave]

I think he was out no matter what. It is clear that the lax team had no discipline and was out of control.

No pun intended?

[OCSkinzFan]

The district attorney on the case, Mike Nifong, said Tuesday he will not abandon his investigation. "A lot has been said in the press ... that this case should go away," Mr. Nifong said at a community forum in Durham. "My presence here means that this case is not going away." The woman, he has said, showed injuries consistent with sexual assault.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0412/p04s01-usju.html

[OCSkinzFan]

"DNA results can often be helpful, but you know, I've been doing this a long time, and for most of the years I've been doing this we didn't have DNA," he said. "We had to deal with sexual assault cases the good old-fashioned way. Witnesses got on the stand and told what happened to them."
No charges yet, but it sounds like there is still a case w/out DNA.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-041106duke_lat,0,4469385.story?coll=la-home-nation

[RedskinsDave]

http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0412/p04s01-usju.html

Yeah and the DA stayed with Kobe's case too. Sometimes those folks are too proud for their own good.

[OCSkinzFan]

Yeah and the DA stayed with Kobe's case too. Sometimes those folks are too proud for their own good.
It could be any one or two of several things.

A. If he drops the case too quickly, it seems like a good'ol boy fix job that would precipitate considerable civil unrest in the area (as well as other areas).

B. The DA has immediate political aspirations so getting the minority vote is a good thing. And A. (see above).

C. "The woman showed injuries consistent with sexual assault." Just because there was not DNA found doesn't mean much. There was a female that called 911 to report racial harassment that occurred outside the accused’s house. Other people saw the strippers leave, with racists remarks made.
So why not continue to investigate?

[akhhorus]

Interesting tidbit on NBC news: the DA says not all the DNA evidence is back from the lab.

[PHWbc]

For me, there are too many holes in both stories..

(1)The 911 Call.. It was made by a woman who "claims" to have been driving when residents of 610 Buchanan Dr. yelled racial slurrs at her. She stated that she was driving in front of the house when this happened, and that she was sure it was 610. However, as the article states, there are no address numbers on the house or anywhere around it. There is a "faded imprint of the numbers is halfway down the front door of the house, a location obscured by the railings on the front porch of the house". Either she was very familiar with the area, or something else is up. Just a thought.

http://www.herald-sun.com/durham/4-718588.html

(2)Where were the male escorts? When female strippers/escorts get called to private establishments a male companion generally follows them around and makes sure something like this doesn't happen.

(3) This is sort of unrelated, but with the DNA tests one of the defense lawyers, Joe Cheshire said that "they swabbed about every place they could possibly swab from her, in which there could be any DNA." And dealing with the whole DNA thing, "The experts will tell you that if there was a condom used they would still be able to pick up DNA, latex, lubricant and all other types of things to show that -- and that's not here." Granted, this is defense lawyer so he is obviously biased.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=2404002

[RedskinsDave]

More proof the charges are bogus and both the accuser and the DA should be sent to jail for ruining the players lives.

http://cbs.sportsline.com/general/story/9869365

DNA testing in the Duke lacrosse rape case found genetic material from several males in the accuser's body and her underwear -- but none from any team member, defense attorneys said in court papers Wednesday.

Unreal.

[CarMike]

Holy cow! It'll be swept under the rug without anyone coming forward to apologize to the players.

Watch...

[CarMike]

Holy Spensored!

Local morning news has some breaking news on this case. The woman who accused the Duke LaX team of raping her, gave BIRTH to a baby last night!

ESPN is also reporting it now to.

This thing gets crazier and crazier...

[smoot]

Holy Spensored!

Local morning news has some breaking news on this case. The woman who accused the Duke LaX team of raping her, gave BIRTH to a baby last night!

ESPN is also reporting it now to.

This thing gets crazier and crazier...

:lol1:

[BurgundyNGold]

Wow. This could get interesting. Why in the world would she lie about something so serious as being raped?
I hate to say it, but it happens all the time. I know at least two girls in two separate occasions who did it for attention and another to cover for consentual, albeit drunken sex to try and keep her boyfriend around. Some chicks are just psycho. Strippers more so, I would imagine. It's despicable as it really desensitizes society to the horrors of rape and ends up further hurting the poor girls who actually *are* raped when they go for justice. And those guys? They'll forever have the rapist stigma.

[CNYSkinFan]

I hate to say it, but it happens all the time. I know at least two girls in two separate occasions who did it for attention and another to cover for consentual, albeit drunken sex to try and keep her boyfriend around. Some chicks are just psycho. Strippers more so, I would imagine. It's despicable as it really desensitizes society to the horrors of rape and ends up further hurting the poor girls who actually *are* raped when they go for justice. And those guys? They'll forever have the rapist stigma.
And the lost season. This was a travesty and Duke, the NCAA, and the local DA needs to be helkd accountable...along witht he accuser. I know it is sensitive, espescially in rape cases, to go after the supposed victim. But in this case she yelled fire in a crowded theater and should pay a punishment.

[BurgundyNGold]

And the lost season. This was a travesty and Duke, the NCAA, and the local DA needs to be helkd accountable...along witht he accuser. I know it is sensitive, espescially in rape cases, to go after the supposed victim. But in this case she yelled fire in a crowded theater and should pay a punishment.
I agree that she should be punished but I could care less about a lacrosse season the the extent that it is a sport. We're talking about people's LIVES that she destroyed. That's much more important than a game.

[CNYSkinFan]

I agree that she should be punished but I could care less about a lacrosse season the the extent that it is a sport. We're talking about people's LIVES that she destroyed. That's much more important than a game.
You are right but a lost season is not trivial. Many fo these kkids will never play a college sport again and others lost a year of eligibility. It is important in their lives I am sure of that. And of course by Duke cancelling the rest of the season it was a tacid admisssion of guilt and fed the frenzy that was already going on...IMO

[BurgundyNGold]

You are right but a lost season is not trivial. Many fo these kkids will never play a college sport again and others lost a year of eligibility. It is important in their lives I am sure of that. And of course by Duke cancelling the rest of the season it was a tacid admisssion of guilt and fed the frenzy that was already going on...IMO
Then their beef should be with Duke. I would sue the hell out of them and then transfer to UNC, lol.

[CNYSkinFan]

Then their beef should be with Duke. I would sue the hell out of them and then transfer to UNC, lol.
LOL...I remember here in Syracuse where Lacrosse is actually pretty big, the dean actually stated we would not bee looking to recruit ANY of the Duke players. There are alot of people who rushed to judgment on this.

[RedskinRyan]

LOL...I remember here in Syracuse where Lacrosse is actually pretty big, the dean actually stated we would not bee looking to recruit ANY of the Duke players. There are alot of people who rushed to judgment on this.


lacrosee pretty big in syracuse? its huge there.

i hope all this news means its coming to an end. its been a year or close to? still nothing was ever found, all the evidence points towards duke's innocence as well. doesnt sound like much of a case to me.

[CarMike]

I think they're supposed to go to court today.

[RedskinsDave]

I think journalists who travel to overblow stories are all very lucky this was not a white stripper who ruined the lives of some black kids. They can stay home for the holidays now.

[CarMike]

I think journalists who travel to overblow stories are all very lucky this was not a white stripper who ruined the lives of some black kids. They can stay home for the holidays now.
Agreed.

[Dolla Bill]

Case has been dropped.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=2706267

[RedskinsDave]

Case has been dropped.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=2706267

Only the rape. The moron DA is going forward with the other two charges still. I only hope that he is disbarred after this whole thing is over.

[CarMike]

Only the rape. The moron DA is going forward with the other two charges still. I only hope that he is disbarred after this whole thing is over.
Dave, that's the word around here is that after all is said and done, someone needs to look into the DAs actions. I don't have a clue who will investigate it, but it's already being mentioned. So it looks good right now.

[shally]

Dave, that's the word around here is that after all is said and done, someone needs to look into the DAs actions. I don't have a clue who will investigate it, but it's already being mentioned. So it looks good right now.

when does he have to run for re election ? i would guess that is when something actually happens to him

[RedskinsDave]

when does he have to run for re election ? i would guess that is when something actually happens to him

He was recently re-elected to another four year term BECAUSE of this case. Of course that was months ago when it wasn't obvious he was pandering to certain groups while ruining the lives of some kids.

[chrisbcbu]

This whole thing was one big cluster******Censored by Spence*** from the start.

[shally]

He was recently re-elected to another four year term BECAUSE of this case. Of course that was months ago when it wasn't obvious he was pandering to certain groups while ruining the lives of some kids.

can he be recalled as a realistic option ?

[CarMike]

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news&id=4888975

The North Carolina State Bar has filed an ethics complaint against Duke lacrosse prosecutor Mike Nifong, accusing him of breaking four rules of professional conduct when speaking to the reporters about the high-profile case.

Among the rules the bar complaint says Nifong violation is a prohibition on making "comments that have a substantial likelyhood of heightening public comdemnation of the accuser."

[CarMike]

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1120129/

Better link.

[BurgundyNGold]

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news&id=4888975
What??? How about the accused?

[CarMike]

What??? How about the accused?
The DA dropped the rape charge against the three players. Story somewhere in this thread. Not sure what page though.

He's still going to go after the three on kidknapping and something else.

[BurgundyNGold]

The DA dropped the rape charge against the three players. Story somewhere in this thread. Not sure what page though.

He's still going to go after the three on kidknapping and something else.
I know. That's ridiculous, but not what I'm getting at. It looks like the DA is under investigation because he may have done damage to the reputation of the ACCUSER. That's right, the rape-lying, drug addled stripper with MULTIPLE male DNA samples in her and in her drawers -- NONE of which belongs to the accused.

And they're worried about the DA making "comments that have a substantial likelihood of heightening public comdemnation of the accuser"? How about comments that have a substantial likelihood of heightening public comdemnation of the ACCUSED?

[CarMike]

Gotcha BNG. My bad. I agree. Priorities still in the wrong place.

[Fathead]

So the prosecutor has asked for a special prosecutor to take over. So I guess the plan was get re-elected and then run away from this case.

[Fathead]

All charges dropped. Oh boy.

[dj_stouty]

I hope they burn Nifong at the stake.

[CarMike]

I hope they burn Nifong at the stake.
Agreed!

[RedskinsDave]

Nifong disbarred!!!!

Still waiting for all the idiots like Sharpton to apologize.

[shally]

deserved it !

the difference is that sharpton has nothing to lose.. who is going to take away his "Rev" title ?
besides that, he is entirely self promotion and sham