The All Purpose Sean Taylor Thread II

[hail2skins]

I have archived the original thread and created this one for continuing discussion on this top. You can reference the older thread here (http://www.hailredskins.com/vbforum/showthread.php?t=33905).

[tommahawk]

The Sean Taylor saga continues, same as the trial date.
It seems half the Redskin news this offseason has been about Taylor.
Has this been a prosecuter looking to move up by using Sean?
Will the new prosecuter agree to dismiss the charges?
Will the trial get moved back again?
It's like a soap opra.

[CNYSkinFan]

dont get me wrong i just said it would be cool to see it, not that it would ever happen or that i think the coaches would ever do it. you risk injury on every play anyways, so i just dont see that as a valid argument at all. Thats exactly like saying you dont want sean taylor to get an interception because he might get injured on the return. if small guys like antonio brown, dante hall, darren sproles, etc can handle kick return tackles throughout the year then im sure taylor could handle getting tackled once. you can argue it only takes one play to get a serious injury all you want, but that only supports my point that players risk injury on every play anyways.

Interceptions are a part of playing defense. Putting Sean in on a return play where he has never played before in a situation more prone to injury is way too risky. Those small guys are often specialists on return duties it is not about how tough you are it is about how you land when hit when to run out of bounds etc etc. I would also point out these small guys are usually fourth or fifth wide receivers that are easily replaceable if they do get injured.

[joethefan]

Remember the Geico commercial.....The prosecuter's name should be

"DJ JIGGYFLY"

[vabeach_skinsfan]

The Sean Taylor saga continues, same as the trial date.
It seems half the Redskin news this offseason has been about Taylor.
Has this been a prosecuter looking to move up by using Sean?
Will the new prosecuter agree to dismiss the charges?
Will the trial get moved back again?
It's like a soap opra.


Yeah its almost becoming a circus. Hopefully they can get this case dismissed since the prosecuter resigned. I know Sean can't wait for this thing to be over.

[bgforever]

The Sean Taylor saga continues, same as the trial date.
It seems half the Redskin news this offseason has been about Taylor.
Has this been a prosecuter looking to move up by using Sean?
Will the new prosecuter agree to dismiss the charges?
Will the trial get moved back again?
It's like a soap opra.

Can an aspiring young prosecutor dj/blogger wanna' be, find true happiness at his game?

Can an aspiring young prosecutor dj/blogger wanna' be, find anyone?


(Insert Music Here)

(INSERT - here's the part about how he screwed up so he should be noticed in LA for some celeb status and get a date with the chics like chicken little aced it)

[onlydarksets]

Nevermind - I see the withdrawal is old news.

People obviously know about the DJ thing, but did anyone see that the prosecutor withdrew from the case?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/12/AR2006041201078.html

I tried searching through that other thread to see if this had been posted, but it's a monster!

[WillieWilliams]

In the latest news... The Sean Taylor case has been delayed again it will be rescheduled for the year 2096 but this could be moved forward in the near future due to stupid lawyers.

[Syllable]

Rediculous, They might drop the case because it was handled inproperly.

[whitskins]

Interceptions are a part of playing defense. Putting Sean in on a return play where he has never played before in a situation more prone to injury is way too risky. Those small guys are often specialists on return duties it is not about how tough you are it is about how you land when hit when to run out of bounds etc etc. I would also point out these small guys are usually fourth or fifth wide receivers that are easily replaceable if they do get injured.

I would never let ST handle return duties because he'd probably just lateral the ball every time he was about to be tackled. I'm really glad he stopped doing that this season whenever he got his INTs.

[santanadasavior]

I would never let ST handle return duties because he'd probably just lateral the ball every time he was about to be tackled. I'm really glad he stopped doing that this season whenever he got his INTs.

Under extreme circumstances (being the last play of the game and we needed to score) I would do it. I would put the best players on the field (Moss, El, Portis, Cooley, Campbell, Taylor, Lloyd, Patten, Cartwright, Sellers, Washington, Rogers) to try to create something.

[WillieWilliams]

Under extreme circumstances (being the last play of the game and we needed to score) I would do it. I would put the best players on the field (Moss, El, Portis, Cooley, Campbell, Taylor, Lloyd, Patten, Cartwright, Sellers, Washington, Rogers) to try to create something.

campbell?!?!?

[redwolf1218]

campbell?!?!?
he probably has the most athletic ability and the best arm of all the QB's on our roster.

[Syllable]

he probably has the most athletic ability and the best arm of all the QB's on our roster.
True that, but hes missing the smarts to convert the pressure into a big play. He might choke.

[Red Bear]

Under extreme circumstances (being the last play of the game and we needed to score) I would do it. I would put the best players on the field (Moss, El, Portis, Cooley, Campbell, Taylor, Lloyd, Patten, Cartwright, Sellers, Washington, Rogers) to try to create something.

ok i was talking about one player in one dire situation play, but what youre talking about is just ridiculous. it would also draw a flag for 12 men on the field with those you listed. also who would snap the ball and pass protect.

[onlydarksets]

Under extreme circumstances (being the last play of the game and we needed to score) I would do it. I would put the best players on the field (Moss, El, Portis, Cooley, Campbell, Taylor, Lloyd, Patten, Cartwright, Sellers, Washington, Rogers) to try to create something.

The problem with this approach is that, unlike some other sports, simply putting the best and most talented athletes on the field in football doesn't mean they are going to work well together. Look at the Pats during their SB runs a few years ago - they didn't win by putting ungodly athletes on the field and letting them run amuck. They won by using unselfish execution. Putting the all-star players out there would probably decrease the odds of scoring on the last play (with the possible exception of a hail mary, where you basically need your hands team out on the field).

[santanadasavior]

ok i was talking about one player in one dire situation play, but what youre talking about is just ridiculous. it would also draw a flag for 12 men on the field with those you listed. also who would snap the ball and pass protect.

I was thinking more along the lines of a kickoff return right after the other team scored. In a regular hail mary situation, the top 4 WRs and St because of his athletisism.

[Syllable]

Guys ST isnt a fragil peice of silverware, If you look at his body we should be uitilizing for his full potential. Like what i was thinking for 3 and short situations With his incredible high and Jump, he can jump the pile pretty easy and get the yard.

[CNYSkinFan]

Why dopn't we just clone ST and put him at all 22 starting positins and Kicker and Punter as well.

Let ST be ST, a safety that knocks the snot out of people and gets interceptions every now and then. He has not reached his potential there yet.

[santanadasavior]

Guys ST isnt a fragil peice of silverware, If you look at his body we should be uitilizing for his full potential. Like what i was thinking for 3 and short situations With his incredible high and Jump, he can jump the pile pretty easy and get the yard.

Or just put him out wide and throw one up in the air right past the marker. When you have an athlete like him, you need to use him to the fullest.

[Dept_of_Defense]

I still think it would be too much of a risk to put him in @ RB and all these other positions. Just let him play his position like everyone else. We have good RB's and our offense is going to be vicious this year. We won't need ST to be jumping over the pile on 3rd and short. That's ridiculous anyways. If that was the case, San Diego would hand off to Antonio Gates and have him hurdle the line of scrimmage

[HanburgerBum]

Under extreme circumstances (being the last play of the game and we needed to score) I would do it. I would put the best players on the field (Moss, El, Portis, Cooley, Campbell, Taylor, Lloyd, Patten, Cartwright, Sellers, Washington, Rogers) to try to create something.


You are joking right? Great position players don't necessarily make great special teamers. There is no indication that the players you listed would even have the ability to create something special on a return, with perhaps the sole exception of Moss.

If it came to a last ditch scenario or late in a playoff game, I certainly can see Moss returning a punt. Gibbs has done this in the past (Darrel Green returned a punt for a TD in the 4th quarter of a playoff game vs the Bears that basically won the game). But, Joe did it very seldom for fear of exposing Darrel to injuries.

[onlydarksets]

I think we should use him as punter and kicker. Those are obviously the best uses of his talent. :rolleyes:

[GreenspanDan]

If it came to a last ditch scenario or late in a playoff game, I certainly can see Moss returning a punt. Gibbs has done this in the past (Darrel Green returned a punt for a TD in the 4th quarter of a playoff game vs the Bears that basically won the game). But, Joe did it very seldom for fear of exposing Darrel to injuries.

yup, exactly. and just to hammer your point home, although he scored the touchdown (in one of the greatest plays in redskins history) darrel green DID injure himself on that play, as well.


Gibbs has always played it very conservative with his personnel. he's quick to pull the starters from a winning or meaningless game, and he's slow to put in young guys over vets. it was extremely out of character for Gibbs to use Taylor on the offensive side of the ball at all, and i suspect it only happened because of our gaping holes at the WR position last year. i would be absolutely shocked if we saw ST play anything other than safety next season.

[santanadasavior]

You are joking right? Great position players don't necessarily make great special teamers. There is no indication that the players you listed would even have the ability to create something special on a return, with perhaps the sole exception of Moss.

If it came to a last ditch scenario or late in a playoff game, I certainly can see Moss returning a punt. Gibbs has done this in the past (Darrel Green returned a punt for a TD in the 4th quarter of a playoff game vs the Bears that basically won the game). But, Joe did it very seldom for fear of exposing Darrel to injuries.

I would think with the speed and athletisism they could create something special. I don't think the average coverage team could deal with all of that. This would also work in a situation where we were out of Hail Mary range but needed to score. Just snap the ball and lateral and try to create something. No forward pass but stay behind the line in case their whole defense goes up and we can sneak someone past.

[santanadasavior]

yup, exactly. and just to hammer your point home, although he scored the touchdown (in one of the greatest plays in redskins history) darrel green DID injure himself on that play, as well.


Gibbs has always played it very conservative with his personnel. he's quick to pull the starters from a winning or meaningless game, and he's slow to put in young guys over vets. it was extremely out of character for Gibbs to use Taylor on the offensive side of the ball at all, and i suspect it only happened because of our gaping holes at the WR position last year. i would be absolutely shocked if we saw ST play anything other than safety next season.

Now that we have Brandon Lloyd, I would tend to agree. But, I don't think that it would be a bad idea considering his abilities at the goalline in jump ball situations.

[HanburgerBum]

I would think with the speed and athletisism they could create something special. I don't think the average coverage team could deal with all of that. This would also work in a situation where we were out of Hail Mary range but needed to score. Just snap the ball and lateral and try to create something. No forward pass but stay behind the line in case their whole defense goes up and we can sneak someone past.


There may be a multiple lateral play for that situation and the special teams undoubtedly practice it. But, I don't think those players you listed would be involved or would ever practice it.

[GoDannyBoy]

Is Sean Taylor still going to warrent a thread all to him self even after the trial?

I wish they would have gotten this business taken care of before the draft when we could have done something if he is going to the pokey.

[Red Bear]

Is Sean Taylor still going to warrent a thread all to him self even after the trial?

I wish they would have gotten this business taken care of before the draft when we could have done something if he is going to the pokey.

weve been taking a strong look at DB prospects anyways

[MWballer]

weve been taking a strong look at DB prospects anyways

I dont think that has anything to do with ST. For one we've bought in CB not safeties. Two, I think it has more to do with the lack of quality depth at the CB position. Plus were looking for Springs successor most likely as well.

[redwolf1218]

Is Sean Taylor still going to warrent a thread all to him self even after the trial?

I wish they would have gotten this business taken care of before the draft when we could have done something if he is going to the pokey.
there is a pretty big dropoff from the 6'-3 Taylor to the 5'-9 Prioleau, or most any other safeties in the league for that matter. not many guys could beat Randy Moss in a jump ball in the open field like he did that time. after Prioleau, it would probably be Dimitri Patterson next in line, unless they want to try Jimoh or Springs back there. i wish Ryan Clark would have kept his word and stayed. one more really good corner would open up a lot of options.

[redskin_rich]

there is a pretty big dropoff from the 6'-3 Taylor to the 5'-9 Prioleau, or most any other safeties in the league for that matter. not many guys could beat Randy Moss in a jump ball in the open field like he did that time. after Prioleau, it would probably be Dimitri Patterson next in line, unless they want to try Jimoh or Springs back there. i wish Ryan Clark would have kept his word and stayed. one more really good corner would open up a lot of options.
Patterson is a CB. The only other Safety on the roster, other than Taylor, Arch and Prioleau, is Curry Burns (http://www.redskins.com/team/profile.jsp?id=2694). At least, as of now.

[Red Bear]

I dont think that has anything to do with ST. For one we've bought in CB not safeties. Two, I think it has more to do with the lack of quality depth at the CB position. Plus were looking for Springs successor most likely as well.

sometimes you dont always end up playing the same position in the NFL as you did in college. and some players play Safety and CB depending on the situation

[skinfanjon]

http://redskins.scout.com/2/520808.html

Tandlers blog, once again. This guy is awesome, he is now my favorite reporter for all things Redskin. Anyway, he cites a very detailed article from the NY Post I believe that clears up a lot of the details. He also provides a very good take on the whole situation. Check it out.

[silverspring]

http://redskins.scout.com/2/520808.html

Tandlers blog, once again. This guy is awesome, he is now my favorite reporter for all things Redskin. Anyway, he cites a very detailed article from the NY Post I believe that clears up a lot of the details. He also provides a very good take on the whole situation. Check it out.

I don't know i love tandler too, but this article is as homerish as they come. he paints a pretty clear picture of taylor being the jackass he was and then goes and just wants to focus on why other people aren't charged too and how the da is using the case to put it in the public eye.. These other people are stars on the washington redskins so i could care less what they did, and 500 wrongs don't make a right. We all know that Taylor will get off, i would bet my first born on it, and we can all hope this will be the last of his growing pains, but lets not pretend he is some poor innocent soul that got caught up in the moment.

[skinfanjon]

I don't know i love tandler too, but this article is as homerish as they come. he paints a pretty clear picture of taylor being the jackass he was and then goes and just wants to focus on why other people aren't charged too and how the da is using the case to put it in the public eye.. These other people are stars on the washington redskins so i could care less what they did, and 500 wrongs don't make a right. We all know that Taylor will get off, i would bet my first born on it, and we can all hope this will be the last of his growing pains, but lets not pretend he is some poor innocent soul that got caught up in the moment.

I don't think he is an innocent soul at all, but Tandler makes some solid points. Why isn't anyone else charged. Out of all the mumbo jumbo, whose vehicle is showing 15 bullet holes in it? And ST is the only one charged for just pointing a gun? Not to mention we now know about the credability of the accusors. Im sure if you asked him, Tandler would say he thinks ST is as guilty as they come. But the point of the article was to explore the crimes that went uncharged. Also, the article he links to presents the story pretty clearly, something I haven't seen yet.

[SkinsASchamps]

http://redskins.scout.com/2/520808.html

Tandlers blog, once again. This guy is awesome, he is now my favorite reporter for all things Redskin. Anyway, he cites a very detailed article from the NY Post I believe that clears up a lot of the details. He also provides a very good take on the whole situation. Check it out.

Good article. Shows both sides. Taylor will get off. This is a bogus case because he is the only one being charged.

[silverspring]

I don't think he is an innocent soul at all, but Tandler makes some solid points. Why isn't anyone else charged. Out of all the mumbo jumbo, whose vehicle is showing 15 bullet holes in it? And ST is the only one charged for just pointing a gun? Not to mention we now know about the credability of the accusors. Im sure if you asked him, Tandler would say he thinks ST is as guilty as they come. But the point of the article was to explore the crimes that went uncharged. Also, the article he links to presents the story pretty clearly, something I haven't seen yet.

I follow you. Clearly the whole lot of them should probably go to jail, and the DA's personal hobbies may just be odd, but he should not be in his public role. But to be 100% honest none of these other people really affect my life, taylor has a personal affect on my redskins obsession so he is the only one i care about. As much as I know he is going to get off, if this case was a non issue it wouldn't still be going...

[meloveskinslongtime]

Good article. Shows both sides. Taylor will get off. This is a bogus case because he is the only one being charged.

yea, seriously, i cant believe that they arent even worrying about the guys who shot up the car. that seems a little serious to me

[shally]

yea, seriously, i cant believe that they arent even worrying about the guys who shot up the car. that seems a little serious to me


best thing he has going for him is the quality of his legal representation.. that will determine the outcome

[Red Bear]

yea, seriously, i cant believe that they arent even worrying about the guys who shot up the car. that seems a little serious to me

i dont think they have any evidence as to who exactly shot up taylors suv or his friends house, even tho its kinda obvious who the suspects would be.

[finnspidey]

Great Link really shines a light on what happened.

[meloveskinslongtime]

i dont think they have any evidence as to who exactly shot up taylors suv or his friends house, even tho its kinda obvious who the suspects would be.

yea i can see that, wuts annoys me is that the media is going all nuts about what ST did but before i read this article i never heard the whole situation about the car and everything getting shot up. why wasnt any of this mentioned? it seems like that may be pretty important.

o well, lets just hope that the trial is over quick and ST wont have to worry about that stuff anymore

[chad101]

http://redskins.scout.com/2/520808.html

Tandlers blog, once again. This guy is awesome, he is now my favorite reporter for all things Redskin. Anyway, he cites a very detailed article from the NY Post I believe that clears up a lot of the details. He also provides a very good take on the whole situation. Check it out.

The article is from the NY Times and Tandler spins it to suit his agenda.

The Times article simply states what is known as the facts of the case with no bias either way.

Tandler tries to imply that the Times author agrees wth his stance(Pro Taylor) where I do not see any evidence of that in reading the NY article.

[redwolf1218]

that's the best explanation i've seen yet about what actually may have happened that night. however i dont see how a few guys could tell a story that would put Taylor in jail. it is also interesting to me that Taylor is the only one charged with a crime after all those people were involved in the incident. it sounds like about 10 guys or more had some involvement, so i agree with Tandler that it reeks of a prosecutor seeking fame and publicity.

[Dept_of_Defense]

http://redskins.scout.com/2/520808.html

Tandlers blog, once again. This guy is awesome, he is now my favorite reporter for all things Redskin. Anyway, he cites a very detailed article from the NY Post I believe that clears up a lot of the details. He also provides a very good take on the whole situation. Check it out.
Taylor's boys pulled out an M-16? Is he hanging out with Marines?

[skinfanjon]

The article is from the NY Times and Tandler spins it to suit his agenda.

The Times article simply states what is known as the facts of the case with no bias either way.

Tandler tries to imply that the Times author agrees wth his stance(Pro Taylor) where I do not see any evidence of that in reading the NY article.

Im pretty sure tandler didn't spin anything. He used an accurate account of what happened and pointed some things out, but as I said before, nowhere did he say ST is innocent. All he is doing is pointing out the fact that there were more serious crimes that are going unprosecuted and that the only football star of the bunch is the one on trial. Thats not spin, thats fact. Show me where Tandler says Sean is innocent and I'll concede the point.

[Redskinfan28]

http://www.miami-dadeclerk.com/cjis/dockets.asp?0E6F8C72B37DB27DBA73C371C234B279B081B4 738C547F82843E8081864786728534C17D8C40804F

A hearing on the new Motion to Dismiss scheduled for 4/26.

[Redskinfan28]

The article is from the NY Times and Tandler spins it to suit his agenda.

The Times article simply states what is known as the facts of the case with no bias either way.

Tandler tries to imply that the Times author agrees wth his stance(Pro Taylor) where I do not see any evidence of that in reading the NY article.

True, but being a criminal defense attorney myself, and having tried to be objective throughout this whole mess, I think there is little chance that sean will be convicted of anything more than a misdemeanor and will not spend a day in jail. Of course, anything is possible, but the prosecution's case get weaker by the week.

[akhhorus]

http://www.miami-dadeclerk.com/cjis/dockets.asp?0E6F8C72B37DB27DBA73C371C234B279B081B4 738C547F82843E8081864786728534C17D8C40804F

A hearing on the new Motion to Dismiss scheduled for 4/26.

Considering that they've already had one motion to dismiss denied, do you think that they would try a specious motion to dismiss, or do you think it has to do with the amended discovery and the letter from a Julius Gardner?

[akhhorus]

True, but being a criminal defense attorney myself, and having tried to be objective throughout this whole mess, I think there is little chance that sean will be convicted of anything more than a misdemeanor and will not spend a day in jail. Of course, anything is possible, but the prosecution's case get weaker by the week.

What I don't get from that article is that Taylor is charged with pulled a handgun and his co-defendant is charged with swinging a baseball bat at the guys, but whomever pulled an m-16 on the same people Taylor is accused of pulling a gun on is going uncharged along with whomever fired at Taylor and his friends(which is a far worse crime by the way).

[PA Skins Girl]

Considering that they've already had one motion to dismiss denied, do you think that they would try a specious motion to dismiss, or do you think it has to do with the amended discovery and the letter from a Julius Gardner?
Who is Julius Gardner and what is this letter all about?

[Redskinfan28]

Im pretty sure tandler didn't spin anything. He used an accurate account of what happened and pointed some things out, but as I said before, nowhere did he say ST is innocent. All he is doing is pointing out the fact that there were more serious crimes that are going unprosecuted and that the only football star of the bunch is the one on trial. Thats not spin, thats fact. Show me where Tandler says Sean is innocent and I'll concede the point.

Its not spin on other side. The NY Times article is recounting the story from the prosecution side because that is what is in the files. It also puts in some quotes from ST's lawyers, but the facts it recites is largely from police reports (the defense will never put its version in the file). All in all, I think the Times Article is good faith effort to recreate what the file says happened.

Rich's article presents more of (what he thinks based on defense's latest use of the media) Sean's version of what happened. Please note that most of his feelings are not supported by the law and are simply what he views as justice.

At any rate, neither side is right and neither side is wrong - the real story is probably somewhere in the middle. Each side will have completely different versions of what happened.

[CNYSkinFan]

Who is Julius Gardner and what is this letter all about?
yeha inquiring minds want to know

[Redskinfan28]

Considering that they've already had one motion to dismiss denied, do you think that they would try a specious motion to dismiss, or do you think it has to do with the amended discovery and the letter from a Julius Gardner?

I think they are making the motion to preserve the record for appeal, if necessary. I don't think the case will be dismissed based on the DJ issue, but if its not, then that will be an appellate issue in the event Sean is convicted.

[S.Taylor36]

And Julius Gardner is who now?

[Redskinfan28]

And Julius Gardner is who now?

I have no idea. I doubt she is a witness because her testimony would not be reflected by a letter.

[akhhorus]

I think they are making the motion to preserve the record for appeal, if necessary. I don't think the case will be dismissed based on the DJ issue, but if its not, then that will be an appellate issue in the event Sean is convicted.

I didn't think they filed a motion to dismiss on that issue.

[Redskinfan28]

I didn't think they filed a motion to dismiss on that issue.

I assume its on that issue as they said in the past they were going to file a motion to dismiss based on the DJ/myspace issue. I just assumed they did and the hearing is set for 4/26.

[Redskinfan28]

According to this, Julius Gardner is a "victim" against Taylor. http://coveringtheredskins.blogspot.com/

I have never encountered a situation where a witness files a letter with the court before the trial occurs. When a letter becomes part of the record, it is usually done at a sentencing phase (the court will read the letter before the sentence is announced). But there is no sentencing phase unless a conviction is secured at trial or by guilty plea due to a plea bargain.

1. Has a plea been reached and 4/26 is when they will take it?
2. Is the letter related to sentencing based on a plea?

Interesting and odd......

[redskinz#1fan]

This is some very interesting stuff that has come to light. I hope all of this is over with very soon. Maybe somebody is coming forward and saying that none of this stuff occurred like the so called victims stated. Maybe the letter is a way for Julius to get outta some charges that he is facing and he started dropping dimes! I'm not a lawyer by no means, but I was involved with the law (if you catch my drift) in several different ways when I was younger and this doesn't seem like much of a case. There is always one weak link in every bunch, and maybe Julius is the weak link. He probably has a list of charges against him that would make him go away for a while and this was his way of making all those things go bye-bye! Most places don't take too kind to striking :sfight: an officer.

[chrisbcbu]

According to this, Julius Gardner is a "victim" against Taylor. http://coveringtheredskins.blogspot.com/

I have never encountered a situation where a witness files a letter with the court before the trial occurs. When a letter becomes part of the record, it is usually done at a sentencing phase (the court will read the letter before the sentence is announced). But there is no sentencing phase unless a conviction is secured at trial or by guilty plea due to a plea bargain.

1. Has a plea been reached and 4/26 is when they will take it?
2. Is the letter related to sentencing based on a plea?

Interesting and odd......

Do you think the prosecution gave the "victims" immunity for his gun usage in order to have him testify against ST?

[akhhorus]

According to this, Julius Gardner is a "victim" against Taylor. http://coveringtheredskins.blogspot.com/

I have never encountered a situation where a witness files a letter with the court before the trial occurs. When a letter becomes part of the record, it is usually done at a sentencing phase (the court will read the letter before the sentence is announced). But there is no sentencing phase unless a conviction is secured at trial or by guilty plea due to a plea bargain.

1. Has a plea been reached and 4/26 is when they will take it?
2. Is the letter related to sentencing based on a plea?

Interesting and odd......

What is odd is that a motion to dismiss is filed right after the letter is filed with the court. Sounds like the witness has information, or the witness wrote a letter that ended up in the hands of the defense(or since there was an amended discovery the hands of the prosecution that the defense was entitled to) that either clears Taylor of some/all of the charges or casts serious doubt on the entire case(such as a letter that details how the DA's office gave them immunity for shooting up Taylor's house if they testified against him).

[GoDannyBoy]

It would be great to have this all go away so we can have an off-season without distractions!

[redskinz#1fan]

It would be great to have this all go away so we can have an off-season without distractions!

Now what would a Redskins off season be like without distractions........:banghead:

[chrisbcbu]

What is odd is that a motion to dismiss is filed right after the letter is filed with the court. Sounds like the witness has information, or the witness wrote a letter that ended up in the hands of the defense(or since there was an amended discovery the hands of the prosecution that the defense was entitled to) that either clears Taylor of some/all of the charges or casts serious doubt on the entire case(such as a letter that details how the DA's office gave them immunity for shooting up Taylor's house if they testified against him).

This is kinda similar to what i was thinking.

[Redskinfan28]

What is odd is that a motion to dismiss is filed right after the letter is filed with the court. Sounds like the witness has information, or the witness wrote a letter that ended up in the hands of the defense(or since there was an amended discovery the hands of the prosecution that the defense was entitled to) that either clears Taylor of some/all of the charges or casts serious doubt on the entire case(such as a letter that details how the DA's office gave them immunity for shooting up Taylor's house if they testified against him).

I have had cases where a Motion to Dismiss is filed just to perpetuate or speed up plea negotiations, and then on the hearing date, the parties announce the plea. I don't know if that has happened here.

The letter thing is weird. Its not evidence as it is hearsay, so I'm not sure why it would become part of the record. When I used to clerk for a Judge at he would sentence a defendant, alot of time he would be presented with a "victim impact statement" which was basically a letter from the victim stating how the crime has affected him or her and what they want to see done.

You might be right (maybe Julius has a change of heart after being promised a civil settlement??? and the defense encouraged him to write a letter), but I wouldn't count on the letter that being the thing that clears ST. Unless there is a plea bargain, this thing is going to trial.

[akhhorus]

I have had cases where a Motion to Dismiss is filed just to perpetuate or speed up plea negotiations, and then on the hearing date, the parties announce the plea. I don't know if that has happened here.

The letter thing is weird. Its not evidence as it is hearsay, so I'm not sure why it would become part of the record. When I used to clerk for a Judge at he would sentence a defendant, alot of time he would be presented with a "victim impact statement" which was basically a letter from the victim stating how the crime has affected him or her and what they want to see done.

You might be right (maybe Julius has a change of heart after being promised a civil settlement??? and the defense encouraged him to write a letter), but I wouldn't count on the letter that being the thing that clears ST. Unless there is a plea bargain, this thing is going to trial.

I guess it all depends on if the letter is related to the motion. If it is, then there is something there that the defense thinks is relevant to the case. The fact that a letter is entered into evidence and a discovery motion appears to have been filed about it makes me wonder.

[chrisbcbu]

Hmm i saw something interesting in the WT today. Its just a little blurb at the very end.

Washingtontimes.com (http://www.washingtontimes.com/sports/20060425-010231-3619r_page2.htm)
Gibbs talked with safety Sean Taylor about his legal issues. Taylor's assault trial has been delayed indefinitely while the prosecution gets a new lead attorney up to speed.
"There were reasons for it being moved each time," Gibbs said. "I don't think anybody has a handle on it. If they continue to move it, it would be a concern as the season gets closer."

[joethefan]

Hmm i saw something interesting in the WT today. Its just a little blurb at the very end.

Washingtontimes.com (http://www.washingtontimes.com/sports/20060425-010231-3619r_page2.htm)


this crap is killing me....I'd be glad when it's over.....

[redwolf1218]

doesnt seem fair. i dont much about the law, but if everyone has a right to a "speedy trail", and it's not Taylor's fault the prosecutor screwed up with some stupid DJ website, they should have a better reason than that for asking for another delay.

[akhhorus]

Just checked out the Case file, and the Motion to Dismiss we were talking about is no longer on it. And there's a letter filed from one of Taylor's attorneys.

[Redskinfan28]

Hmm i saw something interesting in the WT today. Its just a little blurb at the very end.

Washingtontimes.com (http://www.washingtontimes.com/sports/20060425-010231-3619r_page2.htm)

That sucks.

[redwolf1218]

That sucks.
you mean just in general because it's delayed and everyone would like for it be over with, or are there some legal ramifications you know of?

[bgforever]

you mean just in general because it's delayed and everyone would like for it be over with, or are there some legal ramifications you know of?


Might want to PM him back to here, when he signs back on.

I think the "shuttling" back and forth during the week, if it gets that far in the season, would be a distraction and media hyped circus. You KNOW who would be beating the drums if it does.

Good to know the clarification on Archuletta's schedule by Gibbs. No harm done.

Taylor just needs to focus on football. He has good representation in the courtroom.

[redwolf1218]

so just to play devil's advocate, what happens if Taylor is not able to play? i guess Prioleau starts along with Archuletta. that leaves Dimitri Patterson and Curry Burns(?) as the backups, i believe. even if he plays, everyone is only a play away from injury, so i wont be too upset if they draft a safety.

[CNYSkinFan]

so just to play devil's advocate, what happens if Taylor is not able to play? i guess Prioleau starts along with Archuletta. that leaves Dimitri Patterson and Curry Burns(?) as the backups, i believe. even if he plays, everyone is only a play away from injury, so i wont be too upset if they draft a safety.
we will get a safety in the low rounds of the draft or perhaps Cedric Griffen in the 2nd round and he can play both Cb and S

[joethefan]

we will get a safety in the low rounds of the draft or perhaps Cedric Griffen in the 2nd round and he can play both Cb and S
he's kinda toast isn't he?

[akhhorus]

we will get a safety in the low rounds of the draft or perhaps Cedric Griffen in the 2nd round and he can play both Cb and S

I would think about Pat Watkins if no one else was there who the Skins wanted. He might be able to play Nickel Back and can play both safety positions.

[chrisbcbu]

so just to play devil's advocate, what happens if Taylor is not able to play? i guess Prioleau starts along with Archuletta. that leaves Dimitri Patterson and Curry Burns(?) as the backups, i believe. even if he plays, everyone is only a play away from injury, so i wont be too upset if they draft a safety.

We could always move Springs to Safety and have Wright/Rogers/JIMOH as our CBs

[CNYSkinFan]

We could always move Springs to Safety and have Wright/Rogers/JIMOH as our CBs
maybe in a couple of years, but not yet.

I have heard Griffen is getting some good press with his workouts. I don't know everything is hazy here.

[chrisbcbu]

maybe in a couple of years, but not yet.

I have heard Griffen is getting some good press with his workouts. I don't know everything is hazy here.

Im just saying that if we dont draft one and Taylor gets convicted this is a move that i can see them making.

[CNYSkinFan]

Im just saying that if we dont draft one and Taylor gets convicted this is a move that i can see them making.
Only if Prioleau or Arch went down to injury as well.

Don't get me wrong, Springs is going to be a safety someday, just not in the next two years.

[Red Bear]

i think safety is our draft target anyways, or a CB who is capable of playing or converting to safety. i said this in another thread yesterday. of all the talk of us being weak at oline depth and at LB everyone seems to have forgotten safety...

[redskin_rich]

i think safety is our draft target anyways, or a CB who is capable of playing or converting to safety. i said this in another thread yesterday. of all the talk of us being weak at oline depth and at LB everyone seems to have forgotten safety...
I do think the Skins will draft a S or a CB/S tweener but an injury to the O-Line(especially at Tackle) would hurt the Skins more than an injury at Safety.

[joethefan]

We could always move Springs to Safety and have Wright/Rogers/JIMOH as our CBs

Are you really ok with Wright?...for some reason he desn't move me...is he really good corner?

[3Taylor6]

I do think the Skins will draft a S or a CB/S tweener but an injury to the O-Line(especially at Tackle) would hurt the Skins more than an injury at Safety.

i agree i think out of all the positions on the field o line injuries would hurt us the most

[chrisbcbu]

Are you really ok with Wright?...for some reason he desn't move me...is he really good corner?

He is not an elite CB, but i think he will be more than serviceable and actually an upgrade over Harris.

[redwolf1218]

Are you really ok with Wright?...for some reason he desn't move me...is he really good corner?
i dont know anything about him except he started 16 games for Jax last year so i'm glad we got him for the nickel spot and for depth.

[skins111111]

We could always move Springs to Safety and have Wright/Rogers/JIMOH as our CBs

that would be a disaster....Wright hopefully will be a decent nickle and our coaching staff sees something in Jimoh so he should be OK at 4.....hope we draft a CB with our 53rd pick......Taylor will still be there but we still have decent debth without him

[redwolf1218]

that would be a disaster....Wright hopefully will be a decent nickle and our coaching staff sees something in Jimoh so he should be OK at 4.....hope we draft a CB with our 53rd pick......Taylor will still be there but we still have decent debth without him
i dont know about the depth with Burns, Patterson, Williams. we signed Arch but Bowen and Clark both left. we signed Wright and he should be an upgrade over Walt Harris but still we're behind there in roster numbers. Jimoh and Prioleau are the best we have for depth so i agree with picking a DB.

[Red Bear]

I do think the Skins will draft a S or a CB/S tweener but an injury to the O-Line(especially at Tackle) would hurt the Skins more than an injury at Safety.

Buges has been coaching up Molinaro for two years now, i feel confident he will know what to do should jansen or sameuls go down. i understand he doesnt have much NFL game experience, but he has been here and been learning. while he may not play up to their level, i think he can be efficient and wont be getting knocked off his feet like ray brown was last year when he went in at tackle

[Vonslydog]

Greico update... I guess this isn't directly ST related anymore, but it's funny none the less.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2423215

Addition:
New from the post as well. Another delay in the works.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/26/AR2006042602086.html

[redwolf1218]

Greico update... I guess this isn't directly ST related anymore, but it's funny none the less.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2423215

Addition:
New from the post as well. Another delay in the works.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/26/AR2006042602086.html
in the immortal words of bugs bunny, what a maroon. the prosecution has become a laughing stock.

[hail2skins]

I remember reading somewhere where it's supposed to put off indefinately.

[robotfire]

From the article: In a resignation letter he said that "recent developments coupled with previous family concerns have severely affected his ability to perform at a level he is comfortable with," said Ed Griffith, a spokesman for the state attorney's office.

Is this in reference to his ability to perform as an attorney, or as a DJ?

Clint

[chrisbcbu]

It looks like there is going to be a completely NEW judge and NEW prosecution. So im wondering that once they look into the case they may just dismiss it or the prosecution may think there isnt enough evidence to continue.

[joethefan]

From the article: In a resignation letter he said that "recent developments coupled with previous family concerns have severely affected his ability to perform at a level he is comfortable with," said Ed Griffith, a spokesman for the state attorney's office.

Is this in reference to his ability to perform as an attorney, or as a DJ?

Clint


That's crazy....I knw sean is so ready to get this done......by the time they get to the trial, most of those thugs will be in jail...and everyone would have forgotten all the details. I'm just concerned about sean's family down there.

[redwolf1218]

That's crazy....I knw sean is so ready to get this done......by the time they get to the trial, most of those thugs will be in jail...and everyone would have forgotten all the details. I'm just concerned about sean's family down there.
i'll tell you what i think is crazy...10 or 12 guys are involved in this thing and Taylor is the only one being accused. 15 holes in his Denali and 27 shell casings on the ground around it and only Taylor gets hauled in.

[chrisbcbu]

i'll tell you what i think is crazy...10 or 12 guys are involved in this thing and Taylor is the only one being accused. 15 holes in his Denali and 27 shell casings on the ground around it and only Taylor gets hauled in.

They should have gotten Miami CSI involved!

[CNYSkinFan]

and you have stumbled onto plan B for the defense.

[Redskinfan28]

It looks like there is going to be a completely NEW judge and NEW prosecution. So im wondering that once they look into the case they may just dismiss it or the prosecution may think there isnt enough evidence to continue.

The new Judge thing is not unusual. Most Courthouses work on tracks and Judge's get reassigned regularly. That is, a Judge will be on the criminal rotation for a year to 18 months and then switch over to a civil rotation. That appears to have happened here.

As far as the new prosecutor, it appears that the defense is allowing him time to review the file to garner a dismissal of he charges and/or a favorable plea. If the state offers a midemeanor plea, ST will take it, notwithstanding the assertions that sharpstein keeps saying "dismissal or trial."

[joethefan]

i'll tell you what i think is crazy...10 or 12 guys are involved in this thing and Taylor is the only one being accused. 15 holes in his Denali and 27 shell casings on the ground around it and only Taylor gets hauled in.


Yea that seems mighty unfair...I would be pissed too. I think that's whay people are saying he's the victom.

[redwolf1218]

The new Judge thing is not unusual. Most Courthouses work on tracks and Judge's get reassigned regularly. That is, a Judge will be on the criminal rotation for a year to 18 months and then switch over to a civil rotation. That appears to have happened here.

As far as the new prosecutor, it appears that the defense is allowing him time to review the file to garner a dismissal of he charges and/or a favorable plea. If the state offers a midemeanor plea, ST will take it, notwithstanding the assertions that sharpstein keeps saying "dismissal or trial."
I wonder if the NFL has rules about discipline for misdemeanors.

[CNYSkinFan]

I wonder if the NFL has rules about discipline for misdemeanors.
probably not....but they will make one to punish the skins.

[redskinz#1fan]

I can't believe that this trial or case or whatever it is considered at this point has been drawn out this long. This truly gives me less faith in the legal system then I had before this (No offense to any of our fellow HR lawyers or people in the legal profession)! :banghead:

[bgforever]

I can't believe that this trial or case or whatever it is considered at this point has been drawn out this long. This truly gives me less faith in the legal system then I had before this (No offense to any of our fellow HR lawyers or people in the legal profession)! :banghead:

Have you noticed the gaps in this trial and NASCAR and golf? Is the judge a NASCAR or golf fan?? :lol1:

[redskinz#1fan]

Have you noticed the gaps in this trial and NASCAR and golf? Is the judge a NASCAR or golf fan?? :lol1:

That is a very good question. Maybe we should check out the judge's myspace web page and see if he posted any articles about it on there! He probably used Greico as he web page designer.:lol1:

[S.Taylor36]

Redskins | Police and courts: S. Taylor
Tue, 2 May 2006 06:02:00 -0700

The Washington Post reports a hearing to determine a new trial date for Washington Redskins S Sean Taylor is schedule for Monday, May 8, according to Richard Sharpstein, one of his attorneys. Taylor was arrested last year for felony assault.

[CNYSkinFan]

Redskins | Police and courts: S. Taylor
Tue, 2 May 2006 06:02:00 -0700

The Washington Post reports a hearing to determine a new trial date for Washington Redskins S Sean Taylor is schedule for Monday, May 8, according to Richard Sharpstein, one of his attorneys. Taylor was arrested last year for felony assault.
oh kill me now. I just want this over with it has been hanging over the skins for almost a year.

[redwolf1218]

how many hearings does it take to determine the date of a hearing?

[Red Bear]

oh kill me now. I just want this over with it has been hanging over the skins for almost a year.

we all knew it was getting pushed back again anyways. this is primarily the defenses decision 'out of respect for the new prosecuting attorney, to get caught up on the details of the case', or atleast thats close enough to what i read last week.

they should just push the whole thing back to say....the end of sean taylors football career, atleast while its with the Redskins =D

[SeanTaylorLover]

Guys does anyone know how court went today? or what time it is?

[danny's stogie]

Guys does anyone know how court went today? or what time it is?

February 31st, 2117, 8 AM. Miami-Dade County Court House, Nebulon-5.

[SkinsFan4Life2003]

i swear it seems like these court dates are written in pencil

[flave1969]

Things seem to have moved on but no news on the start of the trial.

Check the dockets.

http://www.miami-dadeclerk.com/cjis/dockets.asp?7ADB92DEB9E9B8E9C0DFC9DDC8A0B8E5B6EDBA DF92C085EE8AAA86ED8CB38CDE8BA0C7E992B255

[SkinsASchamps]

Things seem to have moved on but no news on the start of the trial.

Check the dockets.

http://www.miami-dadeclerk.com/cjis/dockets.asp?7ADB92DEB9E9B8E9C0DFC9DDC8A0B8E5B6EDBA DF92C085EE8AAA86ED8CB38CDE8BA0C7E992B255

dont know if this has been posted but I think it is interesting.

http://www.miami-dadeclerk.com/cjis/case.asp?1475A577CB75DB75CD3ACB87C987CD79A55A98779 D4499759F4D9F879E3ADA79A54C68

[tommahawk]

New trial date July 10th.

Updated: May 8, 2006, 3:09 PM ET
Taylor's gun charges trial delayed again, to July 10Associated Press


Washington Redskins safety Sean Taylor has a new trial date in Miami on charges he pointed a gun during a dispute.

The trial had been set to begin Monday, but a Miami-Dade Circuit Court judge set a new date of July 10th during a brief hearing. It's the seventh time the trial has been delayed.



http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2437698

[tommahawk]

The seventh time it has been delayed.
Now it gets pushed back to near the beginning of TC. :banghead:

[chrisbcbu]

Supposively this will be the last time it will get postponed from what i am hearing. So its going to get done either before or on Jul 10.

[MWballer]

Peter King hates again!

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=cnnsi-letsnotmakeadea&prov=cnnsi&type=lgns
From Joe Estanich of Bridgeport, W.V.: "OK, Peter -- enough of the draft questions for now. Let's get on to existing players. Who would you select as the top safety in the league (taking into account both present and future potential) but not taking into account off-field problems: Ed Reed, Troy Polamalu or Sean Taylor?"

I don't know how you can answer this question without taking Taylor's on- and off-field problems into account. He gets ejected for spitting, he's waving guns around in the offseason. Part of being an impact safety is being on the field for the games and I can't honestly tell you that Taylor is going to be on the field 40 times over the next three years. Can you? Now, I can tell you that Polamalu, barring injury, is as about as solid a player and person as anyone in the NFL. He not only is going to be a great football player on Sundays, one who's comfortable blitzing and covering, but he's also a guy Bill Cowher can count on every day for the next six or seven years as a leader. Same with Reed, who is the heir to Ray Lewis as the leader of the Baltimore locker room. I might give a slight edge to Polamalu over Reed on the gut feeling he'll stay healthier, but it's a very slight edge.



If were going on present and future potential I think ST has'd to be considered the best safety in the league right now IMO.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Peter King hates again!

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=cnnsi-letsnotmakeadea&prov=cnnsi&type=lgns


If were going on present and future potential I think ST has'd to be considered the best safety in the league right now IMO.
I don't know about this..saying he would take Polamalu or Reed over ST right now is a legitimate opinion..I'm not saying I agree, but one won Defensive player of the year and the other was a huge part in winning the SB..they don't exactly suck..so it's at least arguable..

[RedSkinBrit]

This case just drags on and on,it needs sorting asap.

[Redskinfan28]

Rick Finci, a local attorney, was just on the Brian Mitchell Show talking about the ST trial. He indicated that he had talked to Sharpstein and basically said that the more time that goes by, the better it is for Sean's case. I think this is true because all or most of the witnesses have been arrested, and the longer this case is drawn out, the more likely those people will be convicted. Once convicted, those witnesses can be hammered on the convictions on cross examination.

After hearing the interview and hearing what the relationship is between the prosecutor and Sharpstein (they are friends and used to work together), I would hope that this can be resolved without trial.

[joethefan]

After hearing the interview and hearing what the relationship is between the prosecutor and Sharpstein (they are friends and used to work together), I would hope that this can be resolved without trial.


ME 2...:lol1:

[RedskinsDave]

After hearing Finci and all the info he had (granted it was from ST's attorney), I cannot see a better option for the now embarassed DA than to drop the charges.

He said that a few of the witnesses have been arrested since this started and the arrest was for having a stolen ATV. Are you kidding me? Unless someone produces pictures of Sean Taylor waving a gun, this case if closed.

[meloveskinslongtime]

After hearing Finci and all the info he had (granted it was from ST's attorney), I cannot see a better option for the now embarassed DA than to drop the charges.

He said that a few of the witnesses have been arrested since this started and the arrest was for having a stolen ATV. Are you kidding me? Unless someone produces pictures of Sean Taylor waving a gun, this case if closed.

i agree man this is getting to be a joke. they need to just end it and stop making themselves look stupid