Projected Skins Picks by HanburgerBum

[HanburgerBum]

Target Plan B

#53 Roger McIntosh (OLB) Kelly Jennings (CB), Jon Alston (OLB)

#68 acquired from Denver, which acquired this pick from SF, for
Washington's 2006 7th rounder (#230) and 2007 second rounder

Daniel Manning (CB) Charles Spencer (G), Daryn College (G)

#153 Chris Kuper (G) James Wyche (DE), Ryan Cook (T)

#173 Spencer Havner (ILB) Terna Nande (OLB), Reuben Houston (CB)

#189 Eric Smith (SS) Paul McQuinton (T), Dennis Roland (T)

#196 T.J.Rushing (CB) Rob Ninkovich (DE), Darrel Brooks (FS)

#250 Titas Adams (DT) Jeff King (TE), Scott Keiaho (ILB)

[Biggie]

#68 acquired from Denver, which acquired this pick from SF, for Washington's 2006 7th rounder (#230) and 2007 second rounder

Denver would take just a seventh? I mean, they took a gamble with us and ended up with a wash last year.

Very nice draft though.

[redskin_rich]

I love your picks but the trade you propose with Denver doesn't work on the value chart.

I'm glad you have Terna Nande on your radar, I thought he would be a steal on the 2nd day but it seems his stock has gone up and he is projecting to be a 1st day pick now.

Overall, a fine job, I am in total agreement with your choices but I don't think they will all be available to us when we pick.

[shally]

Target Plan B

#53 Roger McIntosh (OLB) Kelly Jennings (CB), Jon Alston (OLB)

#68 acquired from Denver, which acquired this pick from SF, for
Washington's 2006 7th rounder (#230) and 2007 second rounder

Daniel Manning (CB) Charles Spencer (G), Daryn College (G)

#153 Chris Kuper (G) James Wyche (DE), Ryan Cook (T)

#173 Spencer Havner (ILB) Terna Nande (OLB), Reuben Houston (CB)

#189 Eric Smith (SS) Paul McQuinton (T), Dennis Roland (T)

#196 T.J.Rushing (CB) Rob Ninkovich (DE), Darrel Brooks (FS)

#250 Titas Adams (DT) Jeff King (TE), Scott Keiaho (ILB)


i love the pick of either nande or havner.. i hope we get ninkovich.. and i would be happy with either king or thomas as end of the draft picks

alston i would not be happy with as a 2nd rounder

[shally]

I love your picks but the trade you propose with Denver doesn't work on the value chart.

I'm glad you have Terna Nande on your radar, I thought he would be a steal on the 2nd day but it seems his stock has gone up and he is projecting to be a 1st day pick now.

Overall, a fine job, I am in total agreement with your choices but I don't think they will all be available to us when we pick.

i think he (nande) had something like 41 reps of 225lb bench press at the combine.. the informal record is 45 !! he is beyond jaw dropping strong. they could put him and mccune in the octagon and sell tickets for that match..LOL

agree that some of those picks are wishfull thinking as to being there whenthe skins pick, but you never know...

[redskin_rich]

i love the pick of either nande or havner.. i hope we get ninkovich.. and i would be happy with either king or thomas as end of the draft picks

alston i would not be happy with as a 2nd rounder
Agreed about Alston, I would much rather have Nande regardless of where the pick was. Nande is a project but with the right coaching, he could be a monster. His strength and speed ratio is off the charts. All he needs is proper coaching and he could be a difference maker.

[redskin_rich]

i think he (nande) had something like 41 reps of 225lb bench press at the combine.. the informal record is 45 !! he is beyond jaw dropping strong. they could put him and mccune in the octagon and sell tickets for that match..LOL

agree that some of those picks are wishfull thinking as to being there whenthe skins pick, but you never know...
When Nande gets drafted and becomes an NFL player, he will probably be the strongest man in the league. Larry Allen can benchpress more max but I don't know if he can do as many reps with the lower weight, not to mention Allen is at least 100 lbs heavier. Nande also can squat over 600 lbs. I used to be a weightlifter and I am similar in size to Nande, (I am 6-2, 235) but the most I ever could squat was 350. I deadlifted 465 and I thought my eyes were going to pop out of my head. He also runs a 4.5/40. That is just sick, he is going to be the steal of this draft, if he gets with the right team, that can hone his abilities.

[shally]

When Nande gets drafted and becomes an NFL player, he will probably be the strongest man in the league. Larry Allen can benchpress more max but I don't know if he can do as many reps with the lower weight, not to mention Allen is at least 100 lbs heavier. Nande also can squat over 600 lbs. I used to be a weightlifter and I am similar in size to Nande, (I am 6-2, 235) but the most I ever could squat was 350. I deadlifted 465 and I thought my eyes were going to pop out of my head. He also runs a 4.5/40. That is just sick, he is going to be the steal of this draft, if he gets with the right team, that can hone his abilities.


i will have to keep a civil tongue in my head when conversing with you..LOL

seriously, as we continuously find out with williams it is not just about physical attributes, but the mental part of the game. mccune is strong enough to play, but hasn't been able to get his head around the skins defensive schemes as of yet.
i would love to have nande as a redskin, but it will be his head that ultimately determines how good a player he becomes.
that said,i am not sure he will even last until the second day. he has turned heads at the combine and every where he has worked out..

[HanburgerBum]

Denver would take just a seventh? I mean, they took a gamble with us and ended up with a wash last year.

Very nice draft though.


A 7th rounder this year, but the 2007 2nd rounder too.

[redskin_rich]

i will have to keep a civil tongue in my head when conversing with you..LOL

seriously, as we continuously find out with williams it is not just about physical attributes, but the mental part of the game. mccune is strong enough to play, but hasn't been able to get his head around the skins defensive schemes as of yet.
i would love to have nande as a redskin, but it will be his head that ultimately determines how good a player he becomes.
that said,i am not sure he will even last until the second day. he has turned heads at the combine and every where he has worked out..
What do you mean? lol

Like I said, he needs the right coaching to bring his physical abilities to fruition as a football player. I don't think McCune is a good comparison because he seems to lack instincts and he is a lot older, so he may never have what it takes. I would compare Nande to Arrington, minus the hype. Nande is not as big as LA but otherwise he has the same freakish athletic ability. Hopefully, he is more coachable.

[HanburgerBum]

I love your picks but the trade you propose with Denver doesn't work on the value chart.

I'm glad you have Terna Nande on your radar, I thought he would be a steal on the 2nd day but it seems his stock has gone up and he is projecting to be a 1st day pick now.

Overall, a fine job, I am in total agreement with your choices but I don't think they will all be available to us when we pick.


I am counting on Denver's arrogance. Shenanhan probably thinks the Skins' 10-6 record in 2005 was a fluke and that they are headed for a lousy season. So, the 2007 second rounder in his mind may be fairly high.

Also, I think Denver has accumulated too many selections for 2005 (only so many new players can make a roster each year). And, the Broncos have shown a history of collecting future picks. Frankly, that is a smart strategy if a team doesn't mind the wait (because the future pick is almost always a round higher).

I do admit that some of my picks tended to be on the "optimistic" side so far as availability is concerned. But, I do believe that they are not outside the realm of possibility, because many players "fall" for whatever reasons.

[shally]

I am counting on Denver's arrogance. Shenanhan probably thinks the Skins' 10-6 record in 2005 was a fluke and that they are headed for a lousy season. So, the 2007 second rounder in his mind may be fairly high.

Also, I think Denver has accumulated too many selections for 2005 (only so many new players can make a roster each year). And, the Broncos have shown a history of collecting future picks. Frankly, that is a smart strategy if a team doesn't mind the wait (because the future pick is almost always a round higher).

I do admit that some of my picks tended to be on the "optimistic" side so far as availability is concerned. But, I do believe that they are not outside the realm of possibility, because many players "fall" for whatever reasons.

you make a very good point that is applicable to the redskins as well.

given our new free agents, just how many draft picks or post draft free agents do you believe are actually going to make the team anyway?

the first day pick should almost always make it, but all 6 of the second day picks face a major uphill battle for space on the roster.. we might be able to stash 1 on IR and a couple more on the practice squad, but i see little contribution on the roster. plus, we will sign 8-12 more college free agents post draft and they will probably have almost as good a chance as the second day picks of making the team in some capacity.

we have 5 overall second day picks on our roster now (3 from last year) and we have 11 post draft free agents on the roster. obviously, the total number of UFA's represents a large pool of selections, many more than second day picks-- but still the hand writing is on the wall if you are a second day pick of the redskins-- don't rush out and buy a house.

so, i think the lesson is have fewer overall picks, but more first day picks and supplement that with as many UFA's as the rules permit BUT don't expect many roster additions to come from the entire pool

[Biggie]

A 7th rounder this year, but the 2007 2nd rounder too.

Oh, I saw that. What I meant is that what you propose seems a bit cheap for Denver to give up a pick. A flyer on a very unlikely late-rounder and a pick that could potentially by only a few picks up from what you gave up last year? I think Shanahan would want more.

[HanburgerBum]

you make a very good point that is applicable to the redskins as well.

given our new free agents, just how many draft picks or post draft free agents do you believe are actually going to make the team anyway?

the first day pick should almost always make it, but all 6 of the second day picks face a major uphill battle for space on the roster.. we might be able to stash 1 on IR and a couple more on the practice squad, but i see little contribution on the roster. plus, we will sign 8-12 more college free agents post draft and they will probably have almost as good a chance as the second day picks of making the team in some capacity.

we have 5 overall second day picks on our roster now (3 from last year) and we have 11 post draft free agents on the roster. obviously, the total number of UFA's represents a large pool of selections, many more than second day picks-- but still the hand writing is on the wall if you are a second day pick of the redskins-- don't rush out and buy a house.

so, i think the lesson is have fewer overall picks, but more first day picks and supplement that with as many UFA's as the rules permit BUT don't expect many roster additions to come from the entire pool


I have a friend who is a firm believer of what he calls the "umbrella" theory of drafting. In his mind, a team should always trade down for additional picks. It is his theory that drafting of college players is a crap shoot, regardless how highly rated some of the candidates are. So, if a team turns 7 picks into 14 picks (regardless of the round), his theory is that the sheer volume of selections forms a larger "umbrella" that would increase a team's chances of finding good players.

While I think this theory has some merit, it would be a huge mistake to use that technique exclusively. I think a team should always be flexible in its strategy. Some times, it makes more sense to trade up and end up with fewer (but presumably more quality) picks, while at other times, it makes more sense to trade down and get a whole bunch of additional picks to form an "umbrella".

With the present Redskins team, I tend to agree with you that not many draftees figure to make the final roster. I see possibly one or two LBs, one or two DBs, hopefully at least two OLinemen, maybe a backup TE. At another position, the rookie would have to really stand out and force the team to make room for him. So, trading up would seem to be the prudent thing to do. But, the problem is: what team would give the Skins much for all those 2nd day picks? Would the 3 six rounders and 1 seven rounder (the compensatory 7th rounder may not be traded) fetch a 4th? And, if the Skins also throw in the 5th rounder, can they get a 3rd? If so, such a deal may be a good idea.

[redskin_rich]

I have a friend who is a firm believer of what he calls the "umbrella" theory of drafting. In his mind, a team should always trade down for additional picks. It is his theory that drafting of college players is a crap shoot, regardless how highly rated some of the candidates are. So, if a team turns 7 picks into 14 picks (regardless of the round), his theory is that the sheer volume of selections forms a larger "umbrella" that would increase a team's chances of finding good players.

While I think this theory has some merit, it would be a huge mistake to use that technique exclusively. I think a team should always be flexible in its strategy. Some times, it makes more sense to trade up and end up with fewer (but presumably more quality) picks, while at other times, it makes more sense to trade down and get a whole bunch of additional picks to form an "umbrella".

With the present Redskins team, I tend to agree with you that not many draftees figure to make the final roster. I see possibly one or two LBs, one or two DBs, hopefully at least two OLinemen, maybe a backup TE. At another position, the rookie would have to really stand out and force the team to make room for him. So, trading up would seem to be the prudent thing to do. But, the problem is: what team would give the Skins much for all those 2nd day picks? Would the 3 six rounders and 1 seven rounder (the compensatory 7th rounder may not be traded) fetch a 4th? And, if the Skins also throw in the 5th rounder, can they get a 3rd? If so, such a deal may be a good idea.

That theory is how Jimmy Johnson built a dynasty out of the Cowgirls in the early '90s. On the other hand, that theory has been used by the Eagles over the last half dozen years and proved fruitless.
Bottom line, it only works if your team needs upgrades at a lot of positions. If you already have a good team, then it is better to go for quality over quantity, since there are few positions available for new players.

[HanburgerBum]

Oh, I saw that. What I meant is that what you propose seems a bit cheap for Denver to give up a pick. A flyer on a very unlikely late-rounder and a pick that could potentially by only a few picks up from what you gave up last year? I think Shanahan would want more.


As I said in my reply to Redskins_rich, i am counting on Shnanhan's arrogance. He probably thinks the Skins 10-6 record in 2005 was a fluke and that the 2007 2nd rounder would be in the top 10.

Besides, there is no rule that requires any trade to be "balanced" according to the value chart. If Denver doesn't think it's enough, so be it. The Skins should then just pass on the deal.

I have always felt that Denver bluffed Gibbs into giving up the 2nd rounder in the Portis/Bailey trade (I am not complaining though, because Portis has turned out to be a stud for us). Joe should not let Shnanhan put one over him again.

[shally]

I have a friend who is a firm believer of what he calls the "umbrella" theory of drafting. In his mind, a team should always trade down for additional picks. It is his theory that drafting of college players is a crap shoot, regardless how highly rated some of the candidates are. So, if a team turns 7 picks into 14 picks (regardless of the round), his theory is that the sheer volume of selections forms a larger "umbrella" that would increase a team's chances of finding good players.

While I think this theory has some merit, it would be a huge mistake to use that technique exclusively. I think a team should always be flexible in its strategy. Some times, it makes more sense to trade up and end up with fewer (but presumably more quality) picks, while at other times, it makes more sense to trade down and get a whole bunch of additional picks to form an "umbrella".

With the present Redskins team, I tend to agree with you that not many draftees figure to make the final roster. I see possibly one or two LBs, one or two DBs, hopefully at least two OLinemen, maybe a backup TE. At another position, the rookie would have to really stand out and force the team to make room for him. So, trading up would seem to be the prudent thing to do. But, the problem is: what team would give the Skins much for all those 2nd day picks? Would the 3 six rounders and 1 seven rounder (the compensatory 7th rounder may not be traded) fetch a 4th? And, if the Skins also throw in the 5th rounder, can they get a 3rd? If so, such a deal may be a good idea.

no, you are absolutely correct that the worth of the skins picks on the second day is so low that it will not buy anything except moving up a few picks. we would have to dip into next years draft to accomplish anything significant.

that brings it down to a major philosophical decision. draft picks or free agents? what i mean is that you either fill your roster spots with draft picks (phila, pitts) or you fill them with free agents (redskins). the skins have chosen the latter pathway.

in the end, i think the skins will trade up using some of next years picks plus some of this years picks to get a better player(s) and fewer overall players. this will replicate the cycle that has been going on for several years now and next off season we will again be searching for from 2-3 free agents (like last year) to fill in a couple of holes created by age, injury or free agent departure (betts, dockery?)

there will again be an influx of 8-12 college free agents to try and find one or 2 nuggets to add to the bottom of the roster or practice squad.

we will never subscribe to the umbrella theory of drafting as long as the current front office and gibbs remain in power. it is simply not the "redskin way" of doing things....