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S.Taylor36
04-28-2006, 06:36 PM
ESPN.com reports the Texans are focusing Friday contract talks on Mario Williams, not Reggie Bush.
There were conflicting reports Wednesday that a deal with Bush was close. But Len Pasquarelli reports the Texans haven't contacted Bush in over 24 hours, and have negotiated with Williams all Friday. A FoxSports.com report claims the Texans have told Williams he will be the first pick. Houston GM Charlie Casserly denies that.

I'm sorry but if they do not take Reggie Bush they are nuts. This draft could be very intriguing to say the least.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2425818

NFL Network and ESPN report that the Saints are likely to draft Reggie Bush if he slips to the No. 2 pick.
Things change awfully fast, but NFL Network's Adam Shefter, ESPN's Len Pasquarelli, and FoxSports.com's Jay Glazer believe Mario Williams is the pick for Houston. The Saints would entertain trade requests if Bush slips, but the Saints are reportedly elated for the chance to take Bush.

NFL Network's Adam Shefter reports that Houston plans to trade back into the first round to draft a running back if they take Mario Williams with the first pick.
The Texans have an extra third-round pick to dangle and could be interested in Laurence Maroney or LenDale White. Both players look like great fits for coach Gary Kubiak's imported zone blocking scheme from Denver.

SpicyMcHaggis
04-28-2006, 06:40 PM
ESPN.com reports the Texans are focusing Friday contract talks on Mario Williams, not Reggie Bush.
There were conflicting reports Wednesday that a deal with Bush was close. But Len Pasquarelli reports the Texans haven't contacted Bush in over 24 hours, and have negotiated with Williams all Friday. A FoxSports.com report claims the Texans have told Williams he will be the first pick. Houston GM Charlie Casserly denies that.

I'm sorry but if they do not take Reggie Bush they are nuts. This draft could be very intriguing to say the least.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2425818

NFL Network and ESPN report that the Saints are likely to draft Reggie Bush if he slips to the No. 2 pick.
Things change awfully fast, but NFL Network's Adam Shefter, ESPN's Len Pasquarelli, and FoxSports.com's Jay Glazer believe Mario Williams is the pick for Houston. The Saints would entertain trade requests if Bush slips, but the Saints are reportedly elated for the chance to take Bush.

NFL Network's Adam Shefter reports that Houston plans to trade back into the first round to draft a running back if they take Mario Williams with the first pick.
The Texans have an extra third-round pick to dangle and could be interested in Laurence Maroney or LenDale White. Both players look like great fits for coach Gary Kubiak's imported zone blocking scheme from Denver.
2 things:
1)If Reggie Bush turns out to be what everybody is saying, that is a modern day Gale Sayers, and Mario Williams ends up being anything less than the new Bruce Smith, the Texans are gonna regret this forever.
2)Trade back into the first round to get a RB??? What are they nuts? The best player on their team is probably their RB..Bush is one thing, but Maroney or White? How are they gonna be any better than Davis? And this is a team that went 2-14, they can hardly afford the luxury of having two good RBs...Oh, and if they don't really like Davis, then just PICK BUSH!!!

SpicyMcHaggis
04-28-2006, 06:43 PM
Oh yeah...and if by any chance the Texans do not pick Bush, then if I were the Colts (or any other top team that doesn't have an elite RB), I would give up my whole draft to trade into the #2 spot.

S.Taylor36
04-28-2006, 06:44 PM
2 things:
1)If Reggie Bush turns out to be what everybody is saying, that is a modern day Gale Sayers, and Mario Williams ends up being anything less than the new Bruce Smith, the Texans are gonna regret this forever.
2)Trade back into the first round to get a RB??? What are they nuts? The best player on their team is probably their RB..Bush is one thing, but Maroney or White? How are they gonna be any better than Davis? And this is a team that went 2-14, they can hardly afford the luxury of having two good RBs...Oh, and if they don't really like Davis, then just PICK BUSH!!!

You just can't pass on a talent like Reggie Bush. You have to believe that the recent off the field issues are a contributing factor. Profootbaltalk.com is basically reporting that Mario Williams is going to the Texans. So that leaves Bush going to the Saints. That offense could be absolutely amazing.

S.Taylor36
04-28-2006, 06:47 PM
Oh and you can bet that Reggie Bush's agent will be fired after this.

SpicyMcHaggis
04-28-2006, 06:47 PM
You just can't pass on a talent like Reggie Bush. You have to believe that the recent off the field issues are a contributing factor. Profootbaltalk.com is basically reporting that Mario Williams is going to the Texans. So that leaves Bush going to the Saints. That offense could be absolutely amazing.
Wow...the whole city of Houston night soon be familiar with the name of Sam Bowie...

SpicyMcHaggis
04-28-2006, 06:51 PM
Actually for us Skins fans that don't have much to do in the first round this is great news..teams are gonna get wild trying to trade..besides the Chargers, Chiefs, Seahawks, Cardinals, us, and maybe the Giants and two or three others, every other team should very seriously consider trading up to get Bush..the Saints could come out of this with about 50 picks...

S.Taylor36
04-28-2006, 06:54 PM
Actually for us Skins fans that don't have much to do in the first round this is great news..teams are gonna get wild trying to trade..besides the Chargers, Chiefs, Seahawks, Cardinals, us, and maybe the Giants and two or three others, every other team should very seriously consider trading up to get Bush..the Saints could come out of this with about 50 picks...

I'll tell you what, if I'm the New York Jets I'm all over this. You give the Saints your two first rounders and Radio City Music Hall would go nuts. Curtis Martin is coming to an end and Reggie would be an absolute super star in the Big Apple.

SpicyMcHaggis
04-28-2006, 06:57 PM
I'll tell you what, if I'm the New York Jets I'm all over this. You give the Saints your two first rounders and Radio City Music Hall would go nuts. Curtis Martin is coming to an end and Reggie would be an absolute super star in the Big Apple.
Absolutely...they would be nuts not to try to move up..he would be a perfect fit for them..
Oh and here http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2425818 it says that the Texans have reportedly offered Williams more guaranteed money than they offered Bush..so it's not even a money issue..I really can't understand them..what more does a guy have to do to be they #1 pick??

S.Taylor36
04-28-2006, 07:04 PM
Absolutely...they would be nuts not to try to move up..he would be a perfect fit for them..
Oh and here http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2425818 it says that the Texans have reportedly offered Williams more guaranteed money than they offered Bush..so it's not even a money issue..I really can't understand them..what more does a guy have to do to be they #1 pick??

Joel Segal, Reggie Bush's, agent might never get a high profile client ever again if he can't secure Bush as the number 1. My biggest hope is that this starts a chain reaction throughout the draft and leaves us at #53 with a player that we never expected to be there. I can dream, I can dream.

SpicyMcHaggis
04-28-2006, 07:08 PM
Joel Segal, Reggie Bush's, agent might never get a high profile client ever again if he can't secure Bush as the number 1. My biggest hope is that this starts a chain reaction throughout the draft and leaves us at #53 with a player that we never expected to be there. I can dream, I can dream.
It could happen!! Maybe even Bush himself!! Or better yet, A.J.Hawk!!!

PA Skins Girl
04-28-2006, 07:21 PM
ESPN just reported that Bush will NOT be number 1. Texans have a deal done with Williams.

SpicyMcHaggis
04-28-2006, 07:23 PM
ESPN just reported that Bush will NOT be number 1. Texans have a deal done with Williams.
Incredible..let the calls begin...

danny's stogie
04-28-2006, 07:23 PM
ESPN just reported that Bush will NOT be number 1. Texans have a deal done with Williams.

Wow! I would not be happy about this if I were Bush. What's a few extra million if it means the difference in playing in Houston as opposed to NO. Actually, scratch that, Mardi gras!

S.Taylor36
04-28-2006, 07:30 PM
I am absolutely shocked. My best bet is now the Saints trade with the Jets and the J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS take Reggie Bush followed by Vince Young to the Titans and DBrick to the Saints.

S.Taylor36
04-28-2006, 07:34 PM
This could have Sam Bowie written all over it. I understand Mario Williams is supposed to be unreal but look at the last 5 defensive players taken number 1:

Courtney Brown- 2000
Dan Wilkerson- 1994
Steve Emtman- 1992
Russell Maryland- 1991
Aundray Bruce- 1988

Not what I call superstars right there. If you ask me, this is gonna be a big mistake by the Texans.

HanburgerBum
04-28-2006, 07:50 PM
I'll tell you what, if I'm the New York Jets I'm all over this. You give the Saints your two first rounders and Radio City Music Hall would go nuts. Curtis Martin is coming to an end and Reggie would be an absolute super star in the Big Apple.


Now that Mario Williams is the No. 1 pick, I am betting that the Jets will trade with N.O. and select Reggie Bush. If you are a Jets fan, it gets better. I don't think it will take the 1st rounder they acquired in the John Abraham deal to move from #4 to #2 (although that's what the value chart would indicate). I think the Jets 2nd rounder would be all that is needed. I believe this because I think the Saints really want to make this deal also and would take less than chart value.

N.O. is a small market and Benson is not a big spender. Trading down two slots would save him money, and the Saints would still be able to pick D'Brickshaw Ferguson. Also, N.O. with McCallister is not hurting for a RB. Plus, the Jets 2nd rounder is fairly high and N.O. will still be able to get a really good prospect there.

SpicyMcHaggis
04-28-2006, 07:56 PM
Now that Mario Williams is the No. 1 pick, I am betting that the Jets will trade with N.O. and select Reggie Bush. If you are a Jets fan, it gets better. I don't think it will take the 1st rounder they acquired in the John Abraham deal to move from #4 to #2 (although that's what the value chart would indicate). I think the Jets 2nd rounder would be all that is needed. I believe this because I think the Saints really want to make this deal also and would take less than chart value.

N.O. is a small market and Benson is not a big spender. Trading down two slots would save him money, and the Saints would still be able to pick D'Brickshaw Ferguson. Also, N.O. with McCallister is not hurting for a RB. Plus, the Jets 2nd rounder is fairly high and N.O. will still be able to get a really good prospect there.
The Jets would be dumb not to try, but with all the teams calling to try to trade with the Saints, I think they're gonna have to give up both their #1s..

S.Taylor36
04-28-2006, 07:57 PM
Now that Mario Williams is the No. 1 pick, I am betting that the Jets will trade with N.O. and select Reggie Bush. If you are a Jets fan, it gets better. I don't think it will take the 1st rounder they acquired in the John Abraham deal to move from #4 to #2 (although that's what the value chart would indicate). I think the Jets 2nd rounder would be all that is needed. I believe this because I think the Saints really want to make this deal also and would take less than chart value.

N.O. is a small market and Benson is not a big spender. Trading down two slots would save him money, and the Saints would still be able to pick D'Brickshaw Ferguson. Also, N.O. with McCallister is not hurting for a RB. Plus, the Jets 2nd rounder is fairly high and N.O. will still be able to get a really good prospect there.

They could go after the second rounder to save money, the Jets have a high pick there. Mangini and Tannenbaum just had the draft fall right in their lap. Radio City Music Hall is gonna be rockin tomorrow. I got all my Jets fans friends calling me talking about Reggie Bush already.

WillieWilliams
04-28-2006, 07:58 PM
All i can say is that tomorrow is gonna rock SO MUCH!!! and with no reggie we get a sure win when we play the texans this season... williams is real good but what would help a team more a julius pepper or an LT? LT beat us by himself last year

SpicyMcHaggis
04-28-2006, 08:03 PM
Well there go all the mock drafts in the country...

SkinsASchamps
04-28-2006, 08:05 PM
I bet the jets trade up to get Bush. The jets or niners IMO. This is nuts.

darkwing99
04-28-2006, 08:05 PM
Well there go all the mock drafts in the country...

Like the bully in the Simpson always says ............... HAHA !

S.Taylor36
04-28-2006, 08:06 PM
All i can say is that tomorrow is gonna rock SO MUCH!!! and with no reggie we get a sure win when we play the texans this season... williams is real good but what would help a team more a julius pepper or an LT? LT beat us by himself last year

I was never nervous about the Texans even if they got Reggie Bush. If we expect to be a contender you chalk up a win against the Texans regardless

SpicyMcHaggis
04-28-2006, 08:06 PM
Like the bully in the Simpson always says ............... HAHA !
Yeah Nelson!!

S.Taylor36
04-28-2006, 08:07 PM
Mario Williams signed for 6 yrs and 54 million

SpicyMcHaggis
04-28-2006, 08:08 PM
I bet the jets trade up to get Bush. The jets or niners IMO. This is nuts.
I repeat..if I were the Colts I would give the Saints everything they wanted including the Indiana Pacers franchise..can you guys imagine Reggie in that offense on turf??

SpicyMcHaggis
04-28-2006, 08:10 PM
Mario Williams signed for 6 yrs and 54 million
So what do you guys think convinced the Texans to pick Williams?
a)Money
b)Off the field issues
c)Position of need
d)They just thought Williams was the better player
e)Stupidity

WillieWilliams
04-28-2006, 08:11 PM
So what do you guys think convinced the Texans to pick Williams?
a)Money
b)Off the field issues
c)Position of need
d)They just thought Williams was the better player
e)Stupidity

yea... im going with e

gibbsisgod
04-28-2006, 08:13 PM
nice only 52 more picks to go

SpicyMcHaggis
04-28-2006, 08:14 PM
Domanick Davis must be doing cartwheels right about now..

PA Skins Girl
04-28-2006, 08:21 PM
So what do you guys think convinced the Texans to pick Williams?
a)Money
b)Off the field issues
c)Position of need
d)They just thought Williams was the better player
e)Stupidity
f) signability

RichardBradley
04-28-2006, 08:25 PM
wow... this is a suprise.....

SpicyMcHaggis
04-28-2006, 08:27 PM
f) signability
So basically money...mmhhh...excellent criteria to base the future of your franchise on...

IMALILTEAPOT
04-28-2006, 08:29 PM
this changes the top of the first round like crazy. they are crazy man, reggie bush is the truth

RichardBradley
04-28-2006, 08:32 PM
Texas could have traded down and got more

SpicyMcHaggis
04-28-2006, 08:33 PM
Texas could have traded down and got more
Probably nobody wanted to trade into the top spot...

Booser
04-28-2006, 08:33 PM
i like it - williams projects to be a great player at a position of need.

now, let's see those trade offers start rolling in for the #2 pick...

LadyNRedskinsfan
04-28-2006, 08:34 PM
i kind of wished houston wouldve saved this news at least until tomorrow morning. it kills the suspense of the first pick. time will tell if this move pays off or not, but there are probably some pissed of people in houston right about now.......

i know you guys probably dont know or care, but is mario williams married? i saw his picture on espn.com and uh..er..um...nevermind, lol. back to football haha....

LadyNRedskinsfan
04-28-2006, 08:35 PM
nice only 52 more picks to go
lol....GREAT thinking.....

whitskins
04-28-2006, 08:41 PM
Reggie Bush's agent is soooooo fired.

LadyNRedskinsfan
04-28-2006, 08:41 PM
jets fans over at theganggreen are going nuts over this news. 50% of their first page is nothing but threads about this and what to do to move up to take reggie, lol ....

LATrueRedskin
04-28-2006, 08:51 PM
Reggie Bush's agent is soooooo fired.

:lol1:

becky
04-28-2006, 09:03 PM
I posted this in the NFL forum, then realized we already had a thread here. I think this just makes the draft that much more exciting though. Throws everyone off a little.

thickskin
04-28-2006, 09:12 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2426003


The Houston Texans have signed North Carolina State defensive end Mario Williams to a six-year, $54 million deal, making him the No. 1 pick in the NFL draft Saturday.

LadyNRedskinsfan
04-28-2006, 09:14 PM
i saw this post over at tgg.com that made me lmao....

"I've negotiated for Bush before and it doesn't always work out. Maybe we could try and get the Saints drunk first, that might make them more likely to give up Bush."

LadyNRedskinsfan
04-28-2006, 09:16 PM
topic already being discussed in the draft forum.

Moved and Merged.....

bgforever
04-28-2006, 09:20 PM
Houston's delimma is the classic NFL paradox.

1. Taking Bush does this: Adds an additional element to the offense, that needs improvement on the O Line, with Davis, who should now be getting at least a fighting chance at WR, with additional WR. Adding a RB of Bush's abilities, ignites an offense directed by a determined Carr. Carr was ransacked, no pun intended, often in the backfield. He is battle tested, but didn't have the support of a Manning or Roethlisberger. He should fare far better with Bush back there, but anothe thorn is on the Houston D. Can they really improve this season, enough to get past .500? Probably not, but with Bush, they should improve their TEAM play on offense and become a viable threat in 2007 to have an offense that can control the clock and score.

2. On the flip, its the positive of the opposite, by taking Mario Williams, the Texans immediately get a lift and let the faster youngins in the back 7 do more creative things to stump offenses. However, like the offense, they are still filling holes, so it will improve the defense, but the team will make the noise the fans expect, at least until late next season. By NOT taking Bush, the Texans must wheel and deal for a RB that is among the next best thing in round 2 or go after a player on a roster on an NFL team that has one to spare
(Washington - Betts?) - (Seattle, Indianapolis, Carolina?)

Redskinfan28
04-28-2006, 09:23 PM
The Texans are officially the dumbest team in the NFL. I bet David Carr is pissed right now.

whitskins
04-28-2006, 09:27 PM
The Texans are officially the dumbest team in the NFL. I bet David Carr is pissed right now.

He's probably happy just to get his roster bonus and still be on the team.

bgforever
04-28-2006, 09:35 PM
He's probably happy just to get his roster bonus and still be on the team.


Ding, Ding. yeah, cause he was sorely overrated IMO. Williams will help, but he needs a year to acclimate on a defense that is off and on. The offense is likely to fill that hole with a bigger back or a FA that can at least chug some inside/outside runs, to keep D Line interiors busy.

Ladell Betts or Dominic Rhodes are good enough for 3-4 yds here and there, not always going to be there, but still gives an offense decent options. James Mungro is ditto, on occassion, but the offense may lose on some short yardage situations, however, landing a solid FB/HB in the draft would really help, along with the FA trade or signing. If they package and trade for a latter pick in round 1 for a RB, it may help as well.

RedskinRyan
04-28-2006, 09:40 PM
the saints would be best to trade down. they could get 2 1st rounders from the jets, possibly more. drafting bush when they still have mccallister does nothing to improve the team, essentially wasting the number 2 pick. even if they planned on letting deuce go, it still doesnt fill a hole.

bgforever
04-28-2006, 10:02 PM
the saints would be best to trade down. they could get 2 1st rounders from the jets, possibly more. drafting bush when they still have mccallister does nothing to improve the team, essentially wasting the number 2 pick. even if they planned on letting deuce go, it still doesnt fill a hole.


True! The Saints need a great defender and an additional OL or WR. This would match up well with D. Breese.

CNYSkinFan
04-28-2006, 10:07 PM
Wonder what does to Tennesee. What if Bush falls to #3. It *could* happen. NO does not need a running back. NO does not like to spend $$ and Bush more then likely will demand #1 money (like Lavar in 2000).

NO will try to trade this pick faster then you can say cheapskate. If I am Indy I trade my first this year and my first next year and possibly my seconds as well to move up and get Bush. Same with Minnesota, Dallas, SF, Jets, and maybe even Denver.

CNYSkinFan
04-28-2006, 10:08 PM
Saints move down to four pick up Da Brick and then has another pick on the best defender available late in the first round.

bgforever
04-28-2006, 10:09 PM
Wonder what does to Tennesee. What if Bush falls to #3. It *could* happen. NO does not need a running back. NO does not like to spend $$ and Bush more then likely will demand #1 money (like Lavar in 2000).

NO will try to trade this pick faster then you can say cheapskate. If I am Indy I trade my first this year and my first next year and possibly my seconds as well to move up and get Bush. Same with Minnesota, Dallas, SF, Jets, and maybe even Denver.

Exactly. Polian is smiling ear to ear now. Earlier about 5pm, he had that "I know something, you don't know look".

NO is more likely to take the D'Brick than many give them credit for.

Biggie
04-28-2006, 10:43 PM
NO will try to trade this pick faster then you can say cheapskate. If I am Indy I trade my first this year and my first next year and possibly my seconds as well to move up and get Bush. Same with Minnesota, Dallas, SF, Jets, and maybe even Denver. I don't want to think about an offense that has Reggie Bush with Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne and Peyton Manning throwing to them. That shouldn't be legal.

ConradCountry
04-28-2006, 11:29 PM
Mario Williams is the DE version of Reggie Bush they are both freaks.

JasonCampbell
04-28-2006, 11:30 PM
I don't want to think about an offense that has Reggie Bush with Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne and Peyton Manning throwing to them. That shouldn't be legal.
Whoa...Indy should move up to get him. That'd be incredible.

TonyStewart
04-28-2006, 11:47 PM
the 49ers should trade up and get reggie bush, and this could work out perfectly for both teams cuz the Saints can get Vernon Davis and the niners get another #1... and believe that Bush would help out Alex Smith(who would go from a bust to a decent lookin QB)

so Davis gives Brees his goto guy & Bush helps the Niners in more than one way... if i was a fan of either team I would be really excited and believe that we would be a year or so away from truly contendin for the playoffs

CamLwalk
04-29-2006, 01:16 AM
I'm a little releaved. We gotta play Texans week 3 and I remember Tomlinson burning the Skins for 113 yards and 2 tds in his first game in 2001. Didn't want Bush to repeat history.

SpicyMcHaggis
04-29-2006, 02:49 AM
Wonder what does to Tennesee. What if Bush falls to #3. It *could* happen. NO does not need a running back. NO does not like to spend $$ and Bush more then likely will demand #1 money (like Lavar in 2000).

NO will try to trade this pick faster then you can say cheapskate. If I am Indy I trade my first this year and my first next year and possibly my seconds as well to move up and get Bush. Same with Minnesota, Dallas, SF, Jets, and maybe even Denver.
The Colts should definitely try..even give up their whole draft and next year's number one for him, but IMO it still won't be enough..they're certainly gonna find a team willing to give up more, because Indy's 1st this year is about 30 and next year probably no better than 20..

lakeskin
04-29-2006, 05:07 AM
:lol1: Charley Casserly...way to doom Houston to many more years of mediocrity. Pass on a hometown hero and the second coming for Courtney Brown. Thank God this idiot is no longer our GM. Is it any wonder why Houston cant get better?

SpicyMcHaggis
04-29-2006, 05:14 AM
:lol1: Charley Casserly...way to doom Houston to many more years of mediocrity. Pass on a hometown hero and the second coming for Courtney Brown. Thank God this idiot is no longer our GM. Is it any wonder why Houston cant get better?
In a shocking turn of events, I actually agree with Pasquarelli: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2426087
So we are supposed to believe that drafting Williams helps Carr??? Hahaha...if you really wanna help out Carr (who is climbing to Harrington-like heights in terms of assistance needed to be any good) you either give him another offensive weapon (Bush) or you give him a good left tackle (Ferguson)...

lakeskin
04-29-2006, 05:54 AM
Somewhere, Sam Bowie is grinning.

RichardBradley
04-29-2006, 07:13 AM
I see alot of people saying texas is dumb but many teams had Williams as the top player

skins4oreva
04-29-2006, 07:56 AM
now we understand why some teams have losing traditions and some just end up winners. I dont see how you can draft Mario Williams and leave a projected great player to someone else. i have no doubt in my mind that the Texans are gonna regret this pick bigtime. This is absolutely crazy and i'm besides my self right now.There is no way Mario Williams is going to average 12 sacks a season its just impossible. The Dwight Freeneys and the Julius Peppers dont do that. The guy did not do it in college so what makes them think that with the premium OL men in the NFL hes gonna accomplish that in the PRO'S. ok im not a Texans fan and we play them this year so their pick is actually fabulous.

RichardBradley
04-29-2006, 08:04 AM
now we understand why some teams have losing traditions and some just end up winners. I dont see how you can draft Mario Williams and leave a projected great player to someone else. i have no doubt in my mind that the Texans are gonna regret this pick bigtime. This is absolutely crazy and i'm besides my self right now.There is no way Mario Williams is going to average 12 sacks a season its just impossible. The Dwight Freeneys and the Julius Peppers dont do that. The guy did not do it in college so what makes them think that with the premium OL men in the NFL hes gonna accomplish that in the PRO'S. ok im not a Texans fan and we play them this year so their pick is actually fabulous.


because they probably couldn't sign him..... Barry Sanders was the best RB in NFL history but what did Detroit ever win with him?

smoak
04-29-2006, 08:06 AM
because they probably couldn't sign him..... Barry Sanders was the best RB in NFL history but what did Detroit ever win with him?

People tend to forget that in '91 they limped into RFK and still fought the Redskins tooth and nail. If we hadn't been one of the better teams in NFL history (with the best coach of my time), I think we might have been upset.

ShaggySkins
04-29-2006, 08:06 AM
IMO this is a smart move for the Texans. Mario Williams has the potential to be a big time pass rushing defensive end in the mold of Julius Peppers. It is very hard in the NFL now to find pass rushing DEs. Williams gives them that and a cornerstone on there defense which had no pass rushing ability whatsoever last year. Yes they passed on Reggie Bush but they still have Dominick Davis who isn't a slouch at RB and plays they same style as Bush. They just extended Davis' contract just a year ago so to have him and Bush would have had a lot of cap room tied up into 2 players playing the same position. The only complaint I have with the Texans is that they probably could have traded down picked up some more picks and still gotten either Williams or a guy like DBrickshaw or Vince Young.

smoak
04-29-2006, 08:10 AM
:lol1: Charley Casserly...way to doom Houston to many more years of mediocrity. Pass on a hometown hero and the second coming for Courtney Brown. Thank God this idiot is no longer our GM. Is it any wonder why Houston cant get better?

I don't see Williams being anywhere near as bad as CB was. Williams was the top rated defensive player according to almost everyone and will certainly help them. I don't know what conversations they had with Bush, but if signability was a factor, then I applaud this move. It shows this "yet to play a down" ego maniacs that they can't just have everything their way. What Eli did on draft day was a sin and I am sick of the attitude that rookies have.

That is just me though.

J-Rod
04-29-2006, 08:10 AM
I honestly do not think this is a bad pick. Taking the best defensive player in the draft and being able to get a very good LT (Winston?) in the early 2nd secures two needs for their team. I think they would have traded out of the pick if they would have had any "real" offers but since they did not, then going with the best Defensive player on the board that still fills a need is not a bad strategy. They have a RB, one they gave a new contract to and a servicable back-up. Now all they need to do is fortify the line and there will be a quality LT in the early 2nd.

Dolla Bill
04-29-2006, 08:21 AM
I wonder if the recent buzz surrounding Bush made the Texans rethink. I know if I was Bush, my agent would be fired while i'm holding the jersey of my team. The Texans can find good OL help in the 2nd round.

GolfFreak
04-29-2006, 08:26 AM
if you really wanna help out Carr (who is climbing to Harrington-like heights in terms of assistance needed to be any good) you either give him another offensive weapon (Bush) or you give him a good left tackle (Ferguson)...

I agree, I'm shocked at this turn of events. I never imagined them not taking Bush! Holy cow!

smoak
04-29-2006, 08:28 AM
My Texans Mock Draft:

1 Houston  Mario Williams DE North Carolina St.
33 Houston  Donte Whitner S Ohio St.
65 Houston  Brian Calhoun RB Wisconsin
66 Houston (from New Orleans)  Daryn Colledge OT Boise St.
98 Houston  Paul McQuistan OT Weber St.
134 Houston  David Pittman CB Northwestern St.
170 Houston  Will Allen OG Texas
209 Houston  Brad Butler OT Virginia
251 Houston (Supplemental Compensatory Selection)  John Walker CB Southern Cal

WinnpegSkinsFan
04-29-2006, 08:45 AM
This is a shocking development but it goes to signability, IMO. Even if williams ends up being a good player the Texans will regret not drafting Bush. Thank you, Casserly. Now maybe we can trade #53 to them for additional picks because they gotta be targetting some Oline help now. This pcik upsets the whole draft now and NO must be grinning like a cheshire cat.

PA Skins Girl
04-29-2006, 08:46 AM
I'm not totally sold on Reggie Bush as a pro RB myself. I applaud Houston for doing what they think is right, rather that letting the media dictate the move.

IMALILTEAPOT
04-29-2006, 08:49 AM
i have a feeling williams wont even be that good in the league

SkinsASchamps
04-29-2006, 08:59 AM
They have good RBs. I think they should have drafted Vince Young IMO. This is an ok move IMO. Bush will be good but so will Williams. Young is the hometown guy and would have made the team better.

redskinz#1fan
04-29-2006, 09:13 AM
I felt something like this was going to happen. Some kind of wierd draft day decsions. Bush is going to slip all the way down to pick # 53 now, I wonder who would pick him up at that #.....:whoknows:

the real moss89
04-29-2006, 10:05 AM
Wow I'm pretty surprised! I think there will be a lot of crazy twists this draft day.

Fathead
04-29-2006, 10:16 AM
Poor pastabelly is whining that he didn't get the scoop.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2426087

Keino
04-29-2006, 10:17 AM
Man....I was hoping Williams would fall to #53 ;)

darkwing99
04-29-2006, 10:44 AM
Well, the Jets are still trying hard to get that No.2 pick............ I would want a couple of first rounders this year and a third rounder, next year's second and someone's first born child included in any deal ..............:devil2:

redskin_rich
04-29-2006, 11:12 AM
The fact that Michael Irvin is ripping Houston so bad for doing this makes me think Houston may have done the right thing, though I think they should have tried trading down.

beerman72
04-29-2006, 11:28 AM
yea that is a colossal mistake. they could have gotten mario williams at like #5 or #6. casserly is still the biggest idiot in any NFL front office.

lakeskin
04-29-2006, 12:11 PM
If you draft Bush all of a sudden you have an explosive offense with alot of weapons and you immediately have a great returngame. Bush, Davis, Johnson, Moulds is pretty sick and would make any QB look good. You outscore a few teams and you win 7 games and our well on your way to respectability.

You draft Mario Williams and your defense still sucks. Houston has gotten worse since their first year and they will toil at the 3-5 win mark next year because they will remaun mediocre on both sides of the ball. Charlie Casserly makes teams worse.