View Full Version : hR Official Poll: Biggest Free Agent Acquisition (Player focused)
PennSkinsFan
05-12-2006, 09:24 AM
OK, go ahead and vote, and wait for the poll to be put up
PennSkinsFan
05-12-2006, 09:28 AM
Tough poll for me. I was torn between Randle El and Andre Carter. Why?
Randle El not only spreads the field, gives us tremendous speed alogn with Moss on screens, gives us a true slot receiver, BUT in addition has solved a problem we have had for nearly three to four years, return specialist. It has been a long time sicne we have had a real threat on punt and kick returns. Randle El gives us that!
Carter provides us with a legit pass rusher we have not had for 6 to 7 years.
redwolf1218
05-12-2006, 09:30 AM
i voted Lloyd. it was a tough decision but we really needed a starting receiver badly.
tommahawk
05-12-2006, 09:32 AM
I had to go with Archuleta.
He should start and be on the field for most of the defensive plays.
Lloyd is my offensive pick, but I think Santana will still be our go to guy.
Carter and El will be more situational players.
bgforever
05-12-2006, 09:53 AM
Oh you would do a Poll like this! :)
I had to look in terms of where the BIGGEST GLARING need was , how it was addressed and what it means in team turnaround, with a chance being BACK in the playoffs.
So I picked Brandon Lloyd, but not because he's so much the BETTER player, but what we will ask of him to do, while its benefitting NOT ONLY Moss, but Patten, Portis, Brunell and the longevity of the OL. Randle El has to be ADDED to this, as well.
Second would be Carter. We DID get some heat on the QB's in the playoffs, but not enough. However, unlike the passing game, which allowed us some big wins, but also wore our guys down a bit, allowing teams to hang around or get NEW chances to win, the DL was still capable of tearing up some offenses or slowing them down a bit.
skinfan43
05-12-2006, 10:12 AM
I voted Lloyd in a close one, Carter next.
Imagine a team with Steve Smith and Mushin Muhammad as their wideouts...wait, that was Carolina...and we know where they went w/them. That's the kind of tandem Moss and Lloyd remind me of, with Lloyd giving up two inches but having more speed than Muhammad.
And I SO love having a pure-speed-pass-rusher in Carter, waited many years for this!
Collins will help decipher and convey Saunders' QB instructions to Brunell & Campbell on the practice field and from the sidelines on gamedays because he knows him inside-out. Kind of like a player-coach. (Another wise choice by Gibbs, with plenty of input from Saunders on that one, rest-assured!)
Redskin4Life
05-12-2006, 10:13 AM
I believe having Carter here at DE will give GW the flexiblity to blitz at WILL on offenses. I've got the shivers just thinking about this coming up season...
SpicyMcHaggis
05-12-2006, 10:26 AM
I was torn between Carter and Randle El, but I chose RE because the offense has lots more room for improvement, even though maybe statistically Carter will put up better numbers...
But the more I think about it, the more Todd Collins looks like a huge upgrade over Ramsey..his clipboard-holding tecnique is just awesome, and his high-fiving is unparalleled in the league..
CNYSkinFan
05-12-2006, 10:54 AM
I went with todd Collins...Big time pickup, saviour of the team....
OOOps nope I went with Randle El, one guy solves 2-3 problems we had. Slash is the man.
skinfan43
05-12-2006, 10:57 AM
I went with todd Collins...Big time pickup, saviour of the team....
OOOps nope I went with Randle El, one guy solves 2-3 problems we had. Slash is the man.
May throw the ball more on gameday in his Redskins career than Collins will...add fourth QB to your list CNY.
RedskinsDave
05-12-2006, 11:15 AM
I went with Carter. He should solve the pass rush problems from last year. With someone actually going after the QB, we should see a great improvement in pass coverage. Half the time someone did get to the QB it was a coverage sack.
Spence
05-12-2006, 11:17 AM
I picked Andre Carter because he's the only front-seven pass rusher the team has brought in and that's something the defense has needed for years.
Brandon Lloyd shouldn't be picked by anyone. He wasn't a free agent acquisition.
Chief Seeway
05-12-2006, 11:50 AM
Brandon Lloyd shouldn't be picked by anyone. He wasn't a free agent acquisition.
Picky-picky... :)
I said Todd Collins. Not for his potential on field accomplishments but for his expected roll to teach the "Al Saunders" offense to our QB's and skill players. No other player listed has a bigger responsibility than Collins. If our new offense doesn't click we are going to blow.
openallnight
05-12-2006, 11:59 AM
I voted Carter becuase his pick-up has a two-fold impact.
First he gives us an improved pass rush from the RDE spot.
But, even MORE importantly I think Philip Daniels pass rush WILL improve greatly from the LDE spot. He's shown he can dominate "lesser" talent tackles at times. And this is what he'll see much more of from his new home. With our front 4 being able to apply pressure Williams will have a field day mixing up his coverages.
wave6ten
05-12-2006, 12:46 PM
I voted for Randel el on the basis that he is going to bring stabilitiy to the return game and his WR skills are blossoming....but mainly what he proved in Pitt was the willingness to do whatever it took to help the team succeed...thats called leadership.Not to mention that he just won a superbowl so that accomplishment and knowledge of what it takes to win will greatly be felt in the locker room.
JoeJacksonTaylor28
05-12-2006, 01:00 PM
I broke the tie and voted for Brandon Lloyd, he will be a great complement to Moss on the other side of the field, and will turn him loose.... even more.
NamVet4
05-12-2006, 01:04 PM
Andre Carter...
Offense sells tickets....DEFENSE wins games....I picked Andre Carter because he's the only front-seven pass rusher the team has brought in and that's something the defense has needed for years.
The truest statement yet!
Skinz4lyfe
05-12-2006, 01:11 PM
Tough, tough question. I went with Randle El by the slimmest of margins. Carter is worthy because he gives us our first pure DE pash rusher in a long time. He will allow GW to give more looks on Defense and provide the versitility needed to keep offenses guessing.
Also, I think Brandon Lloyd is gonna be a big time producer in our system. He should eliminate the double and triple teams off of Moss. If he can have decent numbers in SF w/that sorry offense, he should do fine w/the weapons we have here.
However, when you have a slot receiver like Randle El that puts more pressure on the defense. He also is a threat at punt returner. With him being a former QB he has a decent arm if you wanna throw in a trick play or two to catch the defense napping. He brings a lot of things to the table.
SonnyandSam
05-12-2006, 02:06 PM
I agree with others....very hard choice. It was between ARE and Lloyd....but I voted for Lloyd. We needed receivers with separation to complement Santana Moss. Moss was getting double and even triple teamed late in the year because Jacobs and Thrash could not get open.
I think Lloyd will be the bigger threat over ARE. More speed, more dangerous. ARE will bring great flexibility and the surprise factor. But Lloyd will reduce the double teams on Moss which will be the BIG factor.
Sure, Carter brings a pass rush from the line that we have not had. But defense is not what lost games last year. It was the lack of a verticle passing attack. He is a nice addition but not as critical as the addition of Lloyd and ARE.
Frankly, the greatest free agent acquisition just might have been Al Saunders. Amazing what he did in KC with good but not great talent.
joethefan
05-12-2006, 02:46 PM
I voted Archuletta, he'll make Sean Taylor look really good this year and vice versa.
helimech24
05-12-2006, 07:24 PM
I think Brandon will be the biggest impact to our offense because I believe he will be the #2 on offense which will give Cooley, Portis, and Moss more wiggle room.
bgforever
05-12-2006, 07:30 PM
Lloyd is the "constant" like Carter. These two will clearly be in on nearly every play on offense and defense respectfully, Randle El will see MORE time than he did in Pittsburgh, but it won't be "constant' 3 and 4 WR sets, since we will use a new form of FB in an HB mode, along with a TE, which also is NOT constant.
These two players, in other words, with Archuletta, will see the field the most. However, for IMPACT, one cannot disregard Randle El, situational players, like Sellers, who will also be a FB, ST's like possibly Havner, Doughty, maybe a Lumsden as well on ST with Rock.
Imagine this: Last season, seeing Moss and Lloyd, Patten in the slot, Cooley at TE, Patten in motion, the fake step to the right by Portis to cause a defensive shift, then back to the left, up at the blitzing LB, after the fake handoff, that freezes the LB's and the options Mark Brunell could have had in Seattle.
You with that? :) The defense held Seattle as long as they could, but NO additional scoring killed us.
Taylor21TheUndertaker
05-12-2006, 10:19 PM
I think Carter will have a huge impact. He'll help make a few of the boys in the secondary get to Hawaii and he'll get his too.
Taylor21TheUndertaker
05-12-2006, 10:20 PM
Todd Collins?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
DoGood
05-12-2006, 10:25 PM
Brandon Lloyd with Randle El and Andre Carter a very close second. And Archuleta right behind them.:) Even Todd Collins is in the running!
FanFromArizona
05-12-2006, 10:57 PM
1. Brandon Lloyd
2. Andre Carter
3. Adam Archuletta
4. Randel El
5. Todd Collins
Left off the list:
1. Christian Fauria
2. Kenny Wright
I would rank Kenny Wright and Christian Fauria as #4 and #5 ahead of Randel El and Collins. Kenny Wright will allow us the necessary depth we need at CB, we have 3 starters effectively there.
Brandon Lloyd is going to be the receiver that is going to split defenders on from sideline to sideline, and Carter will be the pass-rushing beast we have been sorely lacking. Our blitzes are going to seem like nightmares when we actually come with 6 towards the QB.
Sweepea436
05-12-2006, 11:56 PM
I think Lloyd will pay the biggest dividends early. Defenses have to account for Portis, Moss, and Randle El. Can't double all of them! So while they are concerned with figuring out how to stop the holy trinity, Lloyd will make them pay. Not to mention Cooley and, oh yeah, Patten....... Should be a fun year ladies and gents. I just hope I'm back in time to see some games!!
redskin_rich
05-13-2006, 08:12 AM
I voted for Carter.
While the Lloyd and Randle-El signing's were the most necessary, they still will be more complimentary, as Moss and Portis will still be the go-to guys and leaders on the offense. Carter, on the other hand, I fully expect to lead the team in sacks and give us a natural pass rush, instead of a manufactured one. This element could elevate our defense from a consistent top ten unit, to one that causes turnovers regularly and can be a scoring threat of their own. Furthermore, I'm going to guess that 2/3rds of the teams we play will have to put a double team on Carter and that will open up other players to make plays.
danny's stogie
05-13-2006, 09:42 AM
I voted for Carter.
While the Lloyd and Randle-El signing's were the most necessary, they still will be more complimentary, as Moss and Portis will still be the go-to guys and leaders on the offense. Carter, on the other hand, I fully expect to lead the team in sacks and give us a natural pass rush, instead of a manufactured one. This element could elevate our defense from a consistent top ten unit, to one that causes turnovers regularly and can be a scoring threat of their own. Furthermore, I'm going to guess that 2/3rds of the teams we play will have to put a double team on Carter and that will open up other players to make plays.
That's exactly my thinking as well. Not only that, but the two recievers somewhat negate eachother's impact. Had the Skins signed only one of the two, ARE or Lloyd, then I'd have to flip a coin between the WR and Carter.
IowaSkinsFan
05-13-2006, 09:46 AM
I think in order for this team to take the next step it has to be Randle El, assuming he plays a more prominent role than David Patten next season.
A close second would be Andre Carter. I think back to the Oakland game where we couldn't get an ounce of pressure on Kerry Collins and he killed us in the 4th quarter.
FanFromArizona
05-13-2006, 10:00 AM
That's exactly my thinking as well. Not only that, but the two recievers somewhat negate eachother's impact. Had the Skins signed only one of the two, ARE or Lloyd, then I'd have to flip a coin between the WR and Carter.
I disagree, Lloyd and ARE are two different players. [Lol, I used ARE twice, right after one another]
Lloyd's presence is going to help keep defenses honest covering Moss. ARE will not get that effect. ARE will help keep defenses honest because of trick play capability and he will be an AWESOME blocker for Clinton.
Lloyd complements Moss and ARE will complement at the slot receiver with Patten/Thrash.
DoGood
05-13-2006, 10:05 AM
I disagree, Lloyd and ARE are two different players. [Lol, I used ARE twice, right after one another]
Lloyd's presence is going to help keep defenses honest covering Moss. ARE will not get that effect. ARE will help keep defenses honest because of trick play capability and he will be an AWESOME blocker for Clinton.
Lloyd complements Moss and ARE will complement at the slot receiver with Patten/Thrash.
I would seriously be really concerned as our opponents this year if we manage to put this all together. I really don't know what you can do to defend an offense like this one.
To put it simply: I am pumped like I never have been before about ANYTHING.
FanFromArizona
05-13-2006, 10:09 AM
I would seriously be really concerned as our opponents this year if we manage to put this all together. I really don't know what you can do to defend an offense like this one.
To put it simply: I am pumped like I never have been before about ANYTHING.
I am complete agreement on that! Komplete D Struction N Domination.
Hail to the :typeR2: :banger:
danny's stogie
05-13-2006, 12:49 PM
I disagree, Lloyd and ARE are two different players. [Lol, I used ARE twice, right after one another]
Lloyd's presence is going to help keep defenses honest covering Moss. ARE will not get that effect. ARE will help keep defenses honest because of trick play capability and he will be an AWESOME blocker for Clinton.
Lloyd complements Moss and ARE will complement at the slot receiver with Patten/Thrash.
I agree with how they will be used, but it's about the amount of touches players recieve on offense. An individual player's value is diminished (i.e. the impact they have on the team) because the amount of quality playmakers on offense reduces each player's indivual effect on the offense. On the other hand, Carter is the only serious pass rusher at DE and so his value is increased due to position scarcity. Had Lloyd or ARE been the only reciever signed then their impact on the offense would be much greater and I would flip a coin between one of them and Carter.
Hr fan
05-13-2006, 02:42 PM
The missing item from the 'Skins defense is turnovers. For a top 10 D we were remarkably low in this stat. TOs change the whole game from field position to both teams morale. For instance, what would have happened if Rogers makes the int and scores against Seattle? Yes, the ofrense will improve a lot, but good field position will help almost as much as new players. The person most likely to improve TOs and 3rd down stops through pressure is Carter. The #7 overall pick is returned to his position of preference with a lot to prove. Like everyone else, I can't wait!
SkinsKY
05-13-2006, 02:46 PM
I voted for Randle El. Carter will be huge and has filled a need that has been unmet for years. The truth is, however, that our defense has been great in spite of missing that piece. Our offense has been inconsistent and ranging from fantastic to a reprise of seasons past. With ARE, we get versatility. I don't even need him to catch many balls, I just need one person to watch him and not Moss, Portis, or Cooley. I know he will provide at least that and pretty sure that he will give us a lot more than that.
santanadasavior
05-13-2006, 08:53 PM
I voted El because he is our x-factor. He is who we will turn to when we need a momentum swing or a big play. He has always done it all in his career and I expect him to do the same while he is here.
skins111111
05-13-2006, 10:37 PM
I went with Lloyd....a stud WR opposite Moss will take up up 10 spots in the rankings (imo) where any stud on D will only move us up say 3 spots
X-Factor13
05-13-2006, 11:27 PM
i put adam archuleta. because he provides depth incase of sean taylor becoming a convict, plus he is an effing incredible hitter, something that cost us at least one game last year (chargers anyone?)
ChiefPowhatan17
05-14-2006, 11:54 AM
I think that Archuleta will have a big hit impact in the middle of the field. But, I really think that Lloyd will have a huge impact on the offense.
S.Taylor36
05-14-2006, 12:00 PM
Randle El is the biggest off season move. This guy can do so much that can help us. He will be a solid posession receiver and in the kicking game OMG! To be able to put a guy back there like ARE is unreal. Last year I closed my eyes everytime we got the ball back.
BtwnDaTackles
05-14-2006, 08:32 PM
I understand why everyone would pick the WR's, but i think adam is going to be our biggest impact...
smoak
05-15-2006, 10:47 AM
Lloyd, IMO fill the biggest and most glaring need so I agree with Dr. J.
skinfan43
05-15-2006, 11:52 AM
Lloyd, IMO fill the biggest and most glaring need so I agree with Dr. J.
You are wise above your years, young Smoak...;)
(Think Portis will get more catches when teams freak out about covering Moss AND Lloyd now? I'd love to see Clinton w/a head of steam blazing after a screen/short out pass...)
Ibleedburgundy
05-15-2006, 01:27 PM
Despite the technicality, I went with Lloyd. Later in the 2005 season teams were able to slow Santana Moss down a little because they were able to double and triple him. Brandon Lloyd is an incredible deep threat, more so than Patten IMO. I don't know what Lloyd's 40 time is but I saw some plays on his highlight vids where he was the fastest man on the field no contest. It was sick.
This aquisition is going to take the heat off of Santana, and even Portis and Cooley. It will blow the offense wide open IMO. Lloyd will be a huge difference maker even if he doesn't break 1000 yards-and there is a good chance he won't because I think we will spend even more time running down the clock in 2006. Not to discount ARE, Arch, Collins, or Carter because I really like all those moves as well. Second to me would be ARE, because he takes care of more than one problem as was stated earlier.
Huston24
05-15-2006, 01:46 PM
I went with Randel El but it was a tough decision. Randel El brings a good slot possible #2 WR and a great return threat. Carter and Archuleta are my second and third choices.
dogfight6
05-19-2006, 06:37 AM
Carter.
ShaggySkins
05-19-2006, 10:36 AM
I voted for Andre Carter. We've been begging for a pass rushing DE for years. If Carter can provide that it will definitely put our defense to another level.
FanFromArizona
05-21-2006, 11:38 AM
Ok, here is how I picture the starting lineup against the Vikings:
1. QB= Brunell
2. RB=Portis FB=Sellers
3. OLine=Samuels, Dockery, Rabach, Thomas, Jansen
4. TE= Cooley
5. WR= Moss and Lloyd
The possibilities frighten me.
Pass plays? Running plays?
Lloyd's presence on the opposite side of Moss means we have 2 speedsters who will not have corners playing on the line. If the CB misses a bump on either of these 2 dangerous receivers, it means 7.
Let me repeat this line again: Lloyd's presence on the opposite side of Moss means we have 2 speedsters who will not have corners playing on the line, meaning that we are going to pick up additional yards on run plays because we will be getting our blockers deeper into our opponents' defenses.
You know the minute the defenders start creeping up is when Saunders will throw the ball. It is the respect that Lloyd will generate that I feel makes Lloyd the hands-down biggest pickup.
I will agree that the second great pickup will be Carter, he is the player the defense needs to put us over the top. We were a top-10 defense without a pass rush last year, and his presence will mean less bodies needed to get QB pressure and more men that are able to drop back into pass coverage.
SpicyMcHaggis
05-21-2006, 11:48 AM
Ok, here is how I picture the starting lineup against the Vikings:
1. QB= Brunell
2. RB=Portis FB=Sellers
3. OLine=Samuels, Dockery, Rabach, Thomas, Jansen
4. TE= Cooley
5. WR= Moss and Lloyd
The possibilities frighten me.
Pass plays? Running plays?
Wanna see another frightening formation? How's this:
QB=Brunell
RB=Portis
OLine=Samuels, Dockery, Rabach, Thomas, Jansen
TE= Cooley
WR=Moss, Lloyd, and Randle El in motion.
(But I agree yours will be the starting lineup)
FanFromArizona
05-21-2006, 12:04 PM
Wanna see another frightening formation? How's this:
QB=Brunell
RB=Portis
OLine=Samuels, Dockery, Rabach, Thomas, Jansen
TE= Cooley
WR=Moss, Lloyd, and Randle El in motion.
(But I agree yours will be the starting lineup)
I would actually swap out Patten for Randel El, that is my pick for 2nd sick formation. Yours is my third choice.
And fourth would be a 4 receiver set with Moss, Lloyd, Patten and Randel El/Thrash with Cooley out.
SpicyMcHaggis
05-21-2006, 12:11 PM
I would actually swap out Patten for Randel El, that is my pick for 2nd sick formation. Yours is my third choice.
And fourth would be a 4 receiver set with Moss, Lloyd, Patten and Randel El/Thrash with Cooley out.
I get that you are not very fond of Randle El...
FanFromArizona
05-21-2006, 01:21 PM
I get that you are not very fond of Randle El...
not as a receiver threat, I'm not sold.
As a returner, #3 receiver, gadget play specialist I am. I think he will be good as a possession receiver and will also be EXCELLENT in run blocking support.
I see Randel in many formations with Fauria, mostly in on running downs. It will be off of running plays that we will see the occasional flee flicker Brunell-Randel-[speedster receiver here].
shally
05-21-2006, 01:27 PM
not as a receiver threat, I'm not sold.
As a returner, #3 receiver, gadget play specialist I am. I think he will be good as a possession receiver and will also be EXCELLENT in run blocking support.
I see Randel in many formations with Fauria, mostly in on running downs. It will be off of running plays that we will see the occasional flee flicker Brunell-Randel-[speedster receiver here].
he is going to have to be accounted for by the defense on every play he is in.. it will make everybody around him more effective..
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