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PennSkinsFan

08-09-2003, 10:38 PM

Take it for what it is worth, which is nothing.

They looked awful. The starters on offense and fense looked perplexed, like they did not belong there. Were they showing the whole playbook? Who knows, probably not. But was Jon Fox? Probably not.

Flemister...that dropped pass made Royal the starter.

Bryan Johnson: Dropped passed gives rock the go ahead.

Trung: Totally ineffective

What a horrid excuse!

PennSkinsFan

08-09-2003, 10:39 PM

Plus cutting Big Daddy looks more and mor elike a mistake. Big Daddy critics....and there are many on the forum, where was the middle at today?

rskinsfan10

08-09-2003, 10:41 PM

I dunno know Mark. It looked like Fox started reaching deep into the playbook in the second half, but I've never been one to think that you don't work on your regular stuff in the preseason. You need to see what has a chance to be succesful. Again, just my opinion.

AGibbsGirl

08-09-2003, 10:42 PM

I agree there was a glaring hole all night.
Our QB's didn't have a clue out there, what's up with that?
Waaaay too many penalties!
OL couldn't block for nothing
Special teams showed me nothing special.
We gotta lot of work this week.

CarMike

08-09-2003, 10:42 PM

Mark, the same place if he was on the field. He sux too, Wilkenson that is......

PennSkinsFan

08-09-2003, 10:45 PM

Sorry Carmike, but call Big daddy what you want, he was not pushed around like what we witnessed tonite, puleeeeeeeze!

CarMike

08-09-2003, 10:48 PM

Yeah, thats why he had a total of 16 tackles last year. Our problems are way deeper than Wilkenson being gone.

rskinsfan10

08-09-2003, 10:53 PM

Gotta agree with Mike on this one, although I do understand Mark's concern. Still, I wish that they would have played more (1st unit) and tried a few of their schemes and let those guys that were out there get a chance to make some plays.

LadyNRedskinsfan

08-09-2003, 10:57 PM

dont be surprised to see the skins trade a draft pick for a starting defensive lineman soon. man it made me sick seeing davis run thru us like that. the tackling wasnt good either. this team has a lot of work to do. they better get all the sorry play out of their system now before september.

CarMike

08-09-2003, 10:59 PM

Remeber last preseason game at Carolina? Foster put up the same #s last year that Davis did this year. In the same amount of playing time. And BD was playing in that game.

PennSkinsFan

08-09-2003, 11:04 PM

Interior on Dline essentially sucked, no two ways about it

CarMike

08-09-2003, 11:18 PM

I'm not saying they didn't suck. I'm just saying that it would have been the same with BD in there too.

Skins57

08-09-2003, 11:45 PM

I also beleve we wll be making some kind of move for DT this week

hail2skins

08-09-2003, 11:52 PM

Man, you guys are really depressing me about this game.

Skins57

08-09-2003, 11:55 PM

it might have been worse than what we are makiing it sound. Davis had 75ish yards on 7 carries and when the back up runners came in it didn't get any better...ok maybe a little. It was a very bad display. I was hoping for some sign of hope but I see us having serious trouble with the Dline and that will bring us way down

JoeDaSchmoe

08-10-2003, 12:13 AM

The only reason it got better with the backups is because Hicks isn't a power, north-south runner. That kind of back will hurt us a lot more than a dodgy cutback this season.

And notice he still had better than 4 yards per carry.

LadyNRedskinsfan

08-10-2003, 12:15 AM

the only other excuse i can think of is that the starting D wasnt out there very long......

Skins57

08-10-2003, 12:21 AM

Originally posted by LadyNRedskinsfan
the only other excuse i can think of is that the starting D wasnt out there very long......

I hate to say it but we need to address this dline or we migh not have much of a year

Shabba

08-10-2003, 01:18 AM

Originally posted by hail2skins
Man, you guys are really depressing me about this game.

Dude it's time to get depressed. This was horrible.:(

truant

08-10-2003, 03:45 AM

Excuse me while i puke...

Skinzaholic

08-10-2003, 07:27 AM

What DT can we hope to pick up that is worth anything? Unless Chigaco releases one of theirs... who is out there?

CarMike

08-10-2003, 07:32 AM

I don't know whats wrong with him, but I've heard that NOs may be wanting ship out Grady Jackson. I believe its NOs......and I don't what the reasoning is behind it...

Skins57

08-10-2003, 09:29 AM

Grady would be a decent pick up. When is the first cut down day? Man I hope we can pick up someone

CarMike

08-10-2003, 09:34 AM

In order for us to get someone who will help us, we'll have to trade for one. If a DT is cut by another team it due to two reasons. One, he's been hurt and its still nagging him. Two, he's not good enough to make their team.

We have plenty of that type DTs. We need to come up with a trade offer that someone will bite on.

Skins57

08-10-2003, 09:39 AM

You're right Mike the cap cuts are all done by now. I just hope we don't panic and trade a group pf picks for no one

Skinsfan1906

08-10-2003, 02:40 PM

Originally posted by LadyNRedskinsfan
dont be surprised to see the skins trade a draft pick for a starting defensive lineman soon. man it made me sick seeing davis run thru us like that. the tackling wasnt good either. this team has a lot of work to do. they better get all the sorry play out of their system now before september.

LadyNRedskinsfan: A woman who knows an awful lot about football and is passionate about the Skins also! I think that I am developing a "crush"on you:) :). In all seriousness, Davis was, well, Steven Davis. Good hard runner. Our Defense played very timid, plus over ran (from the outside "push") a few running plays, which opened up HUGE running lanes.

Pennskinsfan:.....No, I'm NOT developing a "crush" on you:D. But, I don't know if Trung was that bad (or any of our RB's). THEY HAD NO PLACE TO RUN!!!!!! The O-line didn't do squat. They were horrible (in run blocking & pass protection). They are going to end up gettin' somebody killed, if they don't improve.

rskinsfan10

08-10-2003, 02:46 PM

Originally posted by Skinsfan1906

Pennskinsfan:.....No, I'm NOT developing a "crush" on you:D

Whoa, did I miss something?

CarMike

08-10-2003, 05:18 PM

Theres something that I think we're all forgetting about the Panthers. They were ranked #2 against the run last year. Our starters weren't going up against the Seahawks from last year. These guys are good. The only team that was better than them last year were the Bucs.

mtownskinsfan

08-10-2003, 06:17 PM

I don't believe the skins are as bad as they looked last night. I'd rather have this and see all the problems now instead of last year where we thought they'd walk through the season. Now, I don't believe big daddy would have helped last night-I also believe the only reason he wasn't cut sooner is there was nobody on the market worth going after. Big daddy is not the answer and the truth be known, I don't really know who is.

PennSkinsFan

08-10-2003, 07:44 PM

Originally posted by rskinsfan10
Whoa, did I miss something?

MY NAME IS PART OF THIS! I missed it too:imshock:

Skinsfan1906

08-10-2003, 08:01 PM

Originally posted by rskinsfan10
Whoa, did I miss something?

Naw, didn't miss anything. In my post I was making the slick remark that I was developing a "crush" (joking) on Ladynredskinsfan (being a woman who loves football and the skins) as I quoted her message. I then stated (as I THEN referred to some of HIS comments) that I DIDN'T have a crush on "him" (Pennskinsfan). Oh, well, at least I thought it was funny:rolleyes:!

JoeDaSchmoe

08-10-2003, 08:34 PM

Hey, don't worry Skinsfan, I got it right away. Some of these other guys, they just aren't all that quick on the uptake, ya know? ;)

SkinsKY

08-10-2003, 09:00 PM

Hailyeah

08-11-2003, 09:36 AM

I thought that the D Line and the RB's were the major issues going into the Carolina game, and nothing I saw changed my mind. First of all, we need to patch things up with Big Daddy and see if we can resign him. Who cares about total tackles last season? His role was to be a clogger to set up the LBs to make plays. We simply can't roll with Noble and Haley in the regular season. Can't do it and no other options are out there. I'd be willing to trade some of these suspect backs like #30 to get a worth DT. That leads me to point #2. Trung Canidate has nothing IMO. Nothing. A poor man's Skip Hicks. I've been laughing at everyone applauding a track team instead of a football team since March. Mike Martz is no retard as has been eluded to in this forum. Ladell, hurry back! You are our only hope!

Skinsfan1906

08-11-2003, 01:23 PM

Originally posted by JoeDaSchmoe
Hey, don't worry Skinsfan, I got it right away. Some of these other guys, they just aren't all that quick on the uptake, ya know? ;)

Thanks JoeDaSchmoe!!!!! I'm glad that I'm not crazy. Somebody got it (for all it was worth), and I am now relieved:).

CarMike

08-11-2003, 01:25 PM

I believe we all got it. Just having a little fun at your expense....LOL

LadyNRedskinsfan

08-11-2003, 02:21 PM

Originally posted by Hailyeah
Mike Martz is no retard as has been eluded to in this forum.
im gonna have to disagree with you there hailyeah...lol....

it was disappointing to see trung not do very much, but i dont think he touched the ball enough for me to make an opinion on him. our O line didnt do alot of blocking either. i do wish betts was healthy so we could have some healthy competition on the field.

Spence

08-11-2003, 02:35 PM

Mike Martz is a smart guy. Not as smart as he thinks he is and a bit too impressed with his own schemes, but he's clever. There is a reason Canidate didn't catch on in St. Louis. He might be a Spurrier reclamation project. It wouldn't be the first time Spurrier had found something in a player no one else could find.

Skins57

08-11-2003, 02:38 PM

If MArtz was so smart and he knew Trung was done, who the heck drafted him in the first round?????

Spence

08-11-2003, 02:54 PM

Originally posted by Skins57
If MArtz was so smart and he knew Trung was done, who the heck drafted him in the first round?????
Martz drafted Canidate with the final pick in the first round of the 2000 draft. In retrospect, a pretty awful decision.

CarMike

08-11-2003, 03:27 PM

After only 3 touches against the #2 run defense, I'm not giving up the hope that Trung will do great things in this offense.

Spence

08-11-2003, 03:30 PM

I agree with you, Mike, but Canidate as a first round pick?

CarMike

08-11-2003, 03:35 PM

Spence, coming out college, he was projected to go higher in the first round. I didn't follow him in college that closely since he played on the left coast. But, I've hear a lot of "Professionals" that said the Rams got a steal.

He really hasn't had a fair shot yet. He set behind Faulk his entire career.

So, I don't know if he should have been a 1st round draft or not...guess time will tell.

Spence

08-11-2003, 04:03 PM

The presence of Faulk on St. Louis is one reason I wouldn't have taken Canidate in the first round. I'll be thrilled if he plays like a first rounder for us.

Either way, Martz screwed up somewhere. Either he screwed up by drafting Canidate with a first round pick or he screwed up by trading him for a 4th round pick.

Hailyeah

08-11-2003, 04:45 PM

I trend in the direction of skepticism. Handing Trung Canidate the starting job prior to minis was a joke. I believe he should have had to take it from Watson and Betts, not the other way around. He showed me nothing the other night that would thwart my mindset. 98 yds rushing last year folks! Lamar Gordon is no 1st Rounder, I'll tell you that much.

Redbeard

08-11-2003, 07:26 PM

Trung: I don't think we saw enough either, though I wasn't thrilled with the drop.

rskinsfan10

08-11-2003, 09:14 PM

Originally posted by CarMike
I believe we all got it. Just having a little fun at your expense....LOL

Speak for yourself my brother from another mother. I was totally in the dark.:banghead:

CarMike

08-11-2003, 09:24 PM

My bad Kenny! LMAO!

dukeuch

08-12-2003, 09:01 AM

Originally posted by Spence
Mike Martz is a smart guy. Not as smart as he thinks he is and a bit too impressed with his own schemes, but he's clever. There is a reason Canidate didn't catch on in St. Louis. He might be a Spurrier reclamation project. It wouldn't be the first time Spurrier had found something in a player no one else could find.

Ohh please, NOT another Spurrier reclamation project. What, exactly, did he find in a player no one else oculd find, except a way to extend the players career a few more games?

I've said it before, who knows about Candidate? I predict he gets third, maybe second, most carries this year.

IowaSkinsFan

08-12-2003, 10:27 AM

Originally posted by PennSkinsFan
Plus cutting Big Daddy looks more and mor elike a mistake. Big Daddy critics....and there are many on the forum, where was the middle at today?

Please harken back to when Big Daddy played along side of Stubblefield. We still got gashed up the middle. I have only seen the Run D look as bad as it did against Carolina one other time, and that was the entire tenure of Big Daddy's Redskins career, with the exception of last year, thanks to Gardener.