What about Santana

[TerpSkins]

Pete Prisco Article on the top 50 players in the NFL.

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/9469847

I'm pretty sure Santana Moss deserved a spot. He was the second or third leading receiver last year with an aging qb. Prisco's nuts.

[whitskins]

Prisco is one of the biggest hacks in the business. This guy really is a joke, I take nothing he says with any kind of seriousness.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Pete Prisco Article on the top 50 players in the NFL.

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/9469847

I'm pretty sure Santana Moss deserved a spot. He was the second or third leading receiver last year with an aging qb. Prisco's nuts.
Second in receiving yards and second in average yards per catch. And notice that he wasn't even in the honorable mentions..
Although Taylor and Portis made it..

[skins111111]

Pete Prisco Article on the top 50 players in the NFL.

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/9469847

I'm pretty sure Santana Moss deserved a spot. He was the second or third leading receiver last year with an aging qb. Prisco's nuts.

Prisco's nuts--- if this is a poll I vote yes.
He had 8 wrs in the top 50 and no Santana.....he must be thinkin Santana needs another year or 2 under his belt.

[PennSkinsFan]

Pete Prisco Article on the top 50 players in the NFL.

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/9469847

I'm pretty sure Santana Moss deserved a spot. He was the second or third leading receiver last year with an aging qb. Prisco's nuts.

Before many sports writers give respect they need to see consistency. Moss' numbers were nothing to brag about in New York. Then he came up here and had huge success. If Moss puts together another impressive 2006, I think you will see him jump on these kinds of lists.

[PennSkinsFan]

More upsetting to me than Santana Moss is the lack of respect for Marcus Washington. Washington has put together two simply stunning seasons, being annointed Pro Bowl in 2004, and despite better numbers in 2005, was totally snubbed. Here again, i think Washington is snubbed. The guy dominates and plays with intense energy week in and week out. He is a total playmaker. Washington is one of the top 50 players in the NFL, period. This was an out right uneducated list.

[smoak]

I agree PSF. I think Moss has a chance to really open some eyes, but Griffin and moreso Washington are of more importance to our team. That said this is yet another case of "Why do we care what the media thinks"???

[shally]

Before many sports writers give respect they need to see consistency. Moss' numbers were nothing to brag about in New York. Then he came up here and had huge success. If Moss puts together another impressive 2006, I think you will see him jump on these kinds of lists.

i agree.. there are guys who have a year and then disappear.. if santana has another year like the last one we will see him on such lists

[thickskin]

moss really only has last year on his resume. while it was impressive as hell, i can see the concern it was just a flash in the pan.

[thickskin]

oops. guess that's been said already

[bwparker]

The list is a little off. Ray Lewis is no longer the best linebacker in the league, he says that himself when he comments on him...but he still ranks him as the best.

I liked seeing C. Portis as the 3rd best back(ahead of Tiki, no less)

I liked Sean Taylor being ranked so high(Roy Williams was absent from the list)

Santana Moss' absense is frustrating because of how highly Steve Smith is ranked. They both busted onto the scene with very similar seasons.(And remarkably similar career numbers)

Marcus Washington probably deserves to be on the list, but linebacker is one of those positions that has alot of standouts and not everyone is going to get the recognition they deserve.

[bwparker]

i agree.. there are guys who have a year and then disappear.. if santana has another year like the last one we will see him on such lists
Compare Moss and Steve Smith's(22) career numbers:

nfl.com
Smith
Year| Catches | Yards | YPC | TD
2001| 10 | 154 | 15.4 | 0
2002| 54 | 872 | 16.1 | 3
2003| 88 | 1110| 12.6 | 7
2004| 6 | 60 | 10.0 | 0
2005| 103| 1563| 15.2 | 12

Moss
Year| Catches | Yards | YPC | TD
2001| 2 | 40 | 20.0 | 0
2002| 30 | 433 | 14.4 | 4
2003| 74 | 1105 | 14.9 | 10
2004| 45 | 838 | 18.6 | 5
2005| 84 | 1483 | 17.7 | 9

[CNYSkinFan]

Champ is rated awful high. If I am starting a football team I have to believe Carson Plamer, Randy Moss, and maybe even Walter Jones go ahead of a CB.

[shally]

Compare Moss and Steve Smith's(22) career numbers:

nfl.com
Smith
Year| Catches | Yards | YPC | TD
2001| 10 | 154 | 15.4 | 0
2002| 54 | 872 | 16.1 | 3
2003| 88 | 1110| 12.6 | 7
2004| 6 | 60 | 10.0 | 0
2005| 103| 1563| 15.2 | 12

Moss
Year| Catches | Yards | YPC | TD
2001| 2 | 40 | 20.0 | 0
2002| 30 | 433 | 14.4 | 4
2003| 74 | 1105 | 14.9 | 10
2004| 45 | 838 | 18.6 | 5
2005| 84 | 1483 | 17.7 | 9

i think that moss and smith are similar players.. but smith has had the advantage of the larger stage.. he came up big inthe carolina superbowl run and that helped get him a lot of attention.. this year will be the same for moss-- he is going to shine on the way to the superbowl...

[shally]

Champ is rated awful high. If I am starting a football team I have to believe Carson Plamer, Randy Moss, and maybe even Walter Jones go ahead of a CB.

no question that walter jones goes first.. he has played at a very high level for quite some time now..

as for champ, he got exposed somewhat in the pitts game last year... he is a solid corner but for some time now i have been saying he is not shutdown level

[Skinz4lyfe]

Before many sports writers give respect they need to see consistency. Moss' numbers were nothing to brag about in New York. Then he came up here and had huge success. If Moss puts together another impressive 2006, I think you will see him jump on these kinds of lists.

I would be inclined to believe you but if that were the case then people like Larry Johnson, Steven Jackson, Shawne Merriman, and maybe even Osi Umenyiora wouldn't be on the list. Bottom line, Prisco is a tool!!

[shally]

I would be inclined to believe you but if that were the case then people like Larry Johnson, Steven Jackson, Shawne Merriman, and maybe even Osi Umenyiora wouldn't be on the list. Bottom line, Prisco is a tool!!

to have jackson on that list definitely shows a slant of some kind..

most of those lists seem to be more about the list maker (or his "judgment")
than about the people on the list..

[redskinz#1fan]

These list for the most part are a joke. You have a few players that desreve to be on the list (maybe not ranked so high), then the rest are all on the list because of popularity or because the writer has no idea what he/she is talking about. In most cases it is a little of both! Santana definitely deserved to be mentioned, because the numbers that he put up last year were a big part of what our offense was about. He was double & triple teamed last year and was still able to torch defenses'. That deserves something! I never liked Prisco anyway.:banghead:

[thickskin]

I would be inclined to believe you but if that were the case then people like Larry Johnson, Steven Jackson, Shawne Merriman, and maybe even Osi Umenyiora wouldn't be on the list. Bottom line, Prisco is a tool!!

good point. steven jackson? i didn't read that far down earlier. he's a stud, but moss has done the work and put up the numbers.

[RedskinRyan]

ray lewis at 11?????? brett favre??

44. Brett Favre, QB, Packers: Is he as good as he has been in the past? No, but he didn't have a lot to work with last year. He can still be an effective quarterback

how much more does he have to work with this year? ahman green?

[vbskins]

Champ is rated awful high. If I am starting a football team I have to believe Carson Plamer, Randy Moss, and maybe even Walter Jones go ahead of a CB.


I think you could put atleast 2 corners ahead of Champ. I know I am biased but I could put up a good argument that Springs has been better the last 2 years.

[bantu]

To all the Champ haters, sorry, he is still probably the best cover corner in the league right now. Yes, he got lit up last year (see T.O. juke him out of his shorts), but what corner didn't get burned at one time or another? Well, maybe Shawn Springs perhaps :lol1: . These are the worst of times for DB's as the new rules have them looking pretty bad out there. But, honestly, he is one of the best pure athletes in the game and just cuz he left here like a jerk doesn't mean he isn't great. As far as him compared to Springs, I am happy as hell we have Springs to replace Bailey, but Springs is never asked to cover the opponents best playmaker all game. Their responsibilties are different in their respective schemes. But can you imagine how good Champ would be in our defense now? He'd be insane, man.

But it was fun to see Chad Johnson light him up.

[whitskins]

Why are so many people forgetting that Santana had an 1100 yard, 10 TD season in 2003? He has not had only one good year.

[Santheb]

Pete Prisco Article on the top 50 players in the NFL.

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/9469847

I'm pretty sure Santana Moss deserved a spot. He was the second or third leading receiver last year with an aging qb. Prisco's nuts.

These "top 50" or "top 25" or whatever lists are really stupid. Its near impossible to rank players of one position over players of another, in fact, its really stupid.

I dislike Prisco very much.

[The Skinsinator]

This is surprising. Prisco is an idiot and has repeatedly even called himself for his lack of intelligence and crappy articles. Check out his own "bio" on sportsline sometime to see his own view of himself. I would exactly call it self-confidence building. The fact that he's not even honorable mention is assinine. If anyone thinks his season last year was an abberation they need to have their head examined.

[D-Ruck #8]

no question that walter jones goes first.. he has played at a very high level for quite some time now..

as for champ, he got exposed somewhat in the pitts game last year... he is a solid corner but for some time now i have been saying he is not shutdown level

I have no idea why but the media is in love with Chump. I would pump-fake him every time.

[colkurtz]

Moss had a great season, especially when you consider he was the only real downfield threat besides Cooley. The guy had 2 or three DB hanging off him and still got the ball.

These lists are based on a players popularity, past history, whether he is part of a winning organization and whether the writer likes the player and his team. if the Redskins again convincingly get to the playoffs, you'll see more of their players make these sort of lists.

[HanburgerBum]

Before many sports writers give respect they need to see consistency. Moss' numbers were nothing to brag about in New York. Then he came up here and had huge success. If Moss puts together another impressive 2006, I think you will see him jump on these kinds of lists.


You may be right that a player needs to demonstrate consistency over a period of time to be considered valuable. But, Prisco obviously didn't use that as a criteria. Otherwise, as Skinz pointed out, how would you explain Steven Jackson on his list?

Jackson hasn't even shown it for one year. In fact, he has got "bust" written all over him. Yet, Prisco lists him as the 42nd best player in the League. So, that's obviously a projection, not a demonstration of consistency.

Prisco's listing of Brett Favre is another joke. I don't care how bad the supporting cast is, 29 interceptions (a number that only Patrick Ramsey is likely to match if he ever gets at least 29 attempts again in the NFL) is a truck-load. Favre is not a part of the solution in GB, he is part (a big part) of the problem there.

Randy Moss and T.O. are yesterday's news. Big receivers (especially aging ones) are not as effective as super quick ones under the present League passing rules.

Ray Lewis' mouth is still there, but his skills are not. Since Prisco likes over-rated LBs (e.g. Urlacher), why didn't he put Lavar on his list?

I would take off Jackson, Favre, R.Moss, T.O., Lewis and Urlacher and replaced them with S.Moss, Hines Ward, Brian Westbrook, Marcus Washington, Daunte Culpepper, Drew Brees.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

that list is terribly flawed anyhow. prickso is retarded, why worry about what he says?

[The Skinsinator]

that list is terribly flawed anyhow. prickso is retarded, why worry about what he says?I don't think anyone really is. If they are they really need to consult one of us first. I think this thread is more aimed at his overall ignorance/lack of football knowledge more than anything. Good for the new posters. :)

[I Like the Cowgirls]

ok first of all i didnt even know takeo spikes was still good in the NFL and tell me how randy moss made it before the real moss santana and how did sean alexander fall down so far he should have been atleast 4 if not higher i mean he did break the touchdown record and the only pancake jonothan odgen can make is on his griddle

[the real moss89]

That was easily one of the worst articles I've ever seen in my life. Just the fact that Santana wasn't in it makes it bad. I can't believe he wasn't even in the just missed section. And how did Shaun Alexander only get 20th?

[Death_Venom]

I have to agree Santana gets snubbed along with Washington-how disrepectful!!!!!!

[Dept_of_Defense]

@ least they put Clinton in the top 20. Sean Taylor IS going to be a beast in 2006.

[santanadasavior]

Many screw ups in this one. I know he's not a Skin but Steve Smith at #22? That is just disrespectful. He was an absolute beast in double and triple coverage all of last year. He did it all by himself and he did it with the other team knowing he was going to. I have come to accept the lack of respect the Skins get in the national media so I'm not really schocked that Steven "less than 1000 yards" Jackson is on the list and Moss and Washington aren't.

[silverspring]

One thing that i am really liking about santana moss is he might be the one superstar wr in the nfl that i haven't heard a word about the entire offseason I guess it is nice to have some character showboat type guys on the team that make it their job to get noticed, but i also like having guys like this that quietly go about their business and kick butt on the field. This might contribute to why he got snubbed.

[Red Bear]

One thing that i am really liking about santana moss is he might be the one superstar wr in the nfl that i haven't heard a word about the entire offseason I guess it is nice to have some character showboat type guys on the team that make it their job to get noticed, but i also like having guys like this that quietly go about their business and kick butt on the field. This might contribute to why he got snubbed.

this is more a list of opinion and who the guy is a fan of than something id even consider to be an ordered list. i mean its supposed to be a top 50 players list, yet he lists guys who havent done squat in the NFL but shown glimpses of promise.

on the flip side, i saw santana moss on route 7 last week. i swear it had to be him, he looked right at me while i was sitting in a turning lane. he even had on those wave caps or whatever theyre called that he's always wearing. he was coming out of Janelia Park or whatever in Ashburn, dont the redskins house players back in Janelia area during training camp and the offseason? i think i read that somewhere last year.

[Charlz]

Last year Santana Moss had 10 plays of 40+ yards, and only twice in his entire career did JR have 10+ plays of 40+/yards in one season.

[IllinoiSkinFan]

I cannot wait to see what kind of numbers Santana Moss gets during this upcoming season. Last year Moss was constantly getting double and triple coverage. With all these new wide receivers, I think Moss will have an easier time.

[SkinsGuru]

I cannot wait to see what kind of numbers Santana Moss gets during this upcoming season. Last year Moss was constantly getting double and triple coverage. With all these new wide receivers, I think Moss will have an easier time.

The addition of Randle El and Loyd will help take away some of the double and triple teams, BUT, don't forget some of the passes will be headed there way as well . . . Santana's numbers will probably drop off a touch this year. IMO

[Rodman91]

Pete Prisco Article on the top 50 players in the NFL.

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/9469847

I'm pretty sure Santana Moss deserved a spot. He was the second or third leading receiver last year with an aging qb. Prisco's nuts.

Better luck next time...

[GWBlitzST]

The addition of Randle El and Loyd will help take away some of the double and triple teams, BUT, don't forget some of the passes will be headed there way as well . . . Santana's numbers will probably drop off a touch this year. IMO
I really don't think they will. Brunell has established a rapport with Santana, and if he's not being doubled, he will be open. Brandon Lloyd is going to really spread the defenses out and help Moss and Portis.

[pauli]

Loyd will,what has he done to this point...what makes you think he is going to be anything but average...Face it,they overpayed for another average player...

[Rodman91]

Loyd will,what has he done to this point...what makes you think he is going to be anything but average...Face it,they overpayed for another average player...

What else is new?

[whitskins]

Loyd will,what has he done to this point...what makes you think he is going to be anything but average...Face it,they overpayed for another average player...

That's exactly what everybody said about Moss and he proceeded to have one of the best seasons of any Redskin WR in history. Once Lloyd gets on a team with actual talent around him and a QB who can grip the ball then he'll be a great #2 option.

[pauli]

Brunell threw for 60 yards in his last game..LOL...He is done...

[Rodman91]

Brunell threw for 60 yards in his last game..LOL...He is done...

How true...

[whitskins]

Brunell threw for 60 yards in his last game..LOL...He is done...

Uh, he actually threw for 242 yards in his last game against Seattle. Are you going to actually get a fact right in the next few hours that you are still here?

[pauli]

I forgot,thats the game the entire team got manhandled like usuall...Are you ready for another 7 year playoff drought...

[whitskins]

I forgot,thats the game the entire team got manhandled like usuall...Are you ready for another 7 year playoff drought...

Are you ready for summer vacation and fifth grade in the fall? Because quite obviously we're dealing with a child here.

[skins lady]

I agree with most of the list, but is this based on the players' careers? How can they have Brett Favre up there when Santana Moss isn't even mentioned? I'm glad to see ST at #26, being the 3rd ranked Safety in the league isn't bad at all. Same with CP, he's ranked 3rd in the league. Santana definately should have been mentioned though.

[pauli]

GO cook dinner...Your team has no qb and no plan to get one...Get coach that can still coach while your at it...Don't burn dinner...

[Rodman91]

GO cook dinner...Your team has no qb and no plan to get one...Get coach that can still coach while your at it...Don't burn dinner...

Here's Post 51. A Thread is to come!

[HanburgerBum]

What else is new?


You think the Skins overpaid for Marcus Washington, Clinton Portis, Corny Griffin, Shawn Springs and Chris Cooley? I bet you wished the Eagles had "overpaid" for them.

Fact is, Washington did (before Gibbs' return) overpay for aging, big-name players. But, that's yesterday's news. Now, under Gibbs, the Redskins concentrate their spending on productive players still in their prime. Bad news for you is that the Skins are not only good but they are also very young at many spots. Hopefully, this present Washington team will torment your Eagles for at least a decade.

I may add that the NFC East this year will be the toughest division in the League by far. So, for your Eagles, finishing last in the division a second year in a row would not be a disgrace.

[ph33rtheD]

Why is Larry Fitzgerald so much higher than anquan boldin? I personally think boldin is better right now.

[LATrueRedskin]

Don't need him to be on some goon's top 50 in order for me to know he's a fantastic player.

[ihatedallas]

Im happy with Portis and Taylor...Im really surprised to see Taylor that far up there, not becuase i dont belive hes that good, but he doesnt get near the hype as some of the other players....