14 players absent from Packers OTA

[PA Skins Girl]

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=430152

I dont see the Pack making a big comeback anytime soon.

[CNYSkinFan]

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=430152

I dont see the Pack making a big comeback anytime soon.
That is bad bad news. Favre's indecision could have destroyed morale.

[The Skinsinator]

I really don't understand what Favre and Rogers are laughing about in that picture with that turnout. I guess they have accepted what type of season they are in for. Time for another Favre callout.

[CarMike]

Not a smart move for A.J. Hawk to not show up. Rookies need to be around as much as possible right now since it's likely he'll miss some training camp due to contract negotiations.

[CarMike]

Not a smart move for A.J. Hawk to not show up. Rookies need to be around as much as possible right now since it's likely he'll miss some training camp due to contract negotiations.
Woops. My bad. Hawk is finishing up classes at OSU and was expected to miss.

Helps to read the entire article before opening up mouth. :D

[Keino]

That is bad bad news. Favre's indecision could have destroyed morale.


Oh Stop it. Maybe the Packers refusal to spend money to add players while letting their best WR go for peanuts is what destroyed morale.

[CarMike]

That is bad bad news. Favre's indecision could have destroyed morale.
How can you hold Favre accountable? These are MEN. They make their own decisions....

[CNYSkinFan]

Oh Stop it. Maybe the Packers refusal to spend money to add players while letting their best WR go for peanuts is what destroyed morale.
Ok that helped but seriously the yo yo decision making all off season could not have helped either.

[Keino]

Dude, I think every player on that team respected what Favre has brought to that franchise and respect him taking his time to decide the future direction of his life. This is not the NBA where one can unretire pretty easily. It's a pretty final decision.

[CNYSkinFan]

How can you hold Favre accountable? These are MEN. They make their own decisions....
Ok this came off like I was attacking Favre...I am not, just the situation. The Pack are to blame there as well as Favre wanted them to show somein the off season and refused to do so. The situation itself has probably made players think the organization and team are not gearing up to win now so why should they be there in the off season.

[Keino]

Ok this came off like I was attacking Favre...I am not, just the situation. The Pack are to blame there as well as Favre wanted them to show somein the off season and refused to do so. The situation itself has probably made players think the organization and team are not gearing up to win now so why should they be there in the off season.


Because they are professionals and care about honing their craft.

My co-worker is contemplating retirement, so Im not going to come to work because he his undecided? Yea, I can see how that makes sense.

[shally]

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=430152

I dont see the Pack making a big comeback anytime soon.

that has to be especially tough for a first year coach... they need to clear the decks and start with a group of young, committed players.. guys like woodson and harris are going to poison things..

sad for a fine franchise..

[CNYSkinFan]

Because they are professionals and care about honing their craft.

My co-worker is contemplating retirement, so Im not going to come to work because he his undecided? Yea, I can see how that makes sense.
When is the last time you have equated making sense to the modern athlete Keino? OTAs are not required activities and you do not get penalized (paywise anyway) for not being there. You need good morale for good OTA attendence. Most teams understand that and GIbbs is a master at it. But the Pack has done nothing and these young athletes are already giving up on the season. It is not a good sign.

Remember I am all for making OTAs mandatory and it should have beenm done in the last CBA.

[Dolla Bill]

Favre's lack of decision making, could of affected who they wanted to go after, but I do agree that this is a bad sign for the Pack.

[Skinz4lyfe]

Because they are professionals and care about honing their craft.

My co-worker is contemplating retirement, so Im not going to come to work because he his undecided? Yea, I can see how that makes sense.

That is an interesting scenario Keino. Some people actually do leave jobs because their boss or other employees that they "like" leave the company where they work. However, in the case of the Packers I believe the front office does have a lot to do with their players showing up at OTAs. They have a history of not taking care of their players (outside of Favre). That's why McKenzie and Walker left and why Al Harris isn't happy.

[Keino]

Favre's lack of decision making, could of affected who they wanted to go after, but I do agree that this is a bad sign for the Pack.

Not at all. They had 21 Million to spend under the cap. Favre's 3 Million, which was not effective until September anyways, had no bearing on their ability to go after and sign free agents. The only one they really pursued other than Woodson who they signed was Arrington and he took less money to play against us twice. I think largely because he questioned the GB Front office's commitment to putting players on the team. A legitmate question considering how much cap room they had to work with.

[Keino]

When is the last time you have equated making sense to the modern athlete Keino? OTAs are not required activities and you do not get penalized (paywise anyway) for not being there. You need good morale for good OTA attendence. Most teams understand that and GIbbs is a master at it. But the Pack has done nothing and these young athletes are already giving up on the season. It is not a good sign.

Remember I am all for making OTAs mandatory and it should have beenm done in the last CBA.

Sure I get that, and the parallel is overly simplified, I admit, but the point was that morale shouldn't have a bearing on ones professionalism...wouldn't you agree?

[CNYSkinFan]

Sure I get that, and the parallel is overly simplified, I admit, but the point was that morale shouldn't have a bearing on ones professionalism...wouldn't you agree?
It shouldn't but when I was in the age range of 21-25 lots of things effected my morale that don't now. Throw in millions of dollars and a sense of entitlement and a front office that seems not to care if they win or not and you got some mighty big morale problems a brewing.

[PA Skins Girl]

I think Favre is excused from all but a handful of OTA activities. That is probably what is causing the lack of dedication by his teammates, more than anything.

[shally]

That is an interesting scenario Keino. Some people actually do leave jobs because their boss or other employees that they "like" leave the company where they work. However, in the case of the Packers I believe the front office does have a lot to do with their players showing up at OTAs. They have a history of not taking care of their players (outside of Favre). That's why McKenzie and Walker left and why Al Harris isn't happy.

al wasn't happy at philly... why should it be expected he would be happy at green bay.. a career malcontent

[redskin_rich]

This team is a complete and total mess. Why Favre decided to come back is beyond my realm of thinking.

[LATrueRedskin]

WOW look at the names that didn't show up either. Charles Woodson, Al Harris, Ahman Green, Bubba Franks, A.J. Hawk, and Donald Driver among them. This is not good for the Packers.

[shally]

WOW look at the names that didn't show up either. Charles Woodson, Al Harris, Ahman Green, Bubba Franks, A.J. Hawk, and Donald Driver among them. This is not good for the Packers.

that is a group of players that is going to have immense difficulty coming together as a team... if mccarthy can accomplish that he will deserve coach of the year consideration... i see them in the running for the number 1 overall pick inthe draft next april... if they get off to a poor start the wheels are gonna come right off the bus...

[LATrueRedskin]

that is a group of players that is going to have immense difficulty coming together as a team... if mccarthy can accomplish that he will deserve coach of the year consideration... i see them in the running for the number 1 overall pick inthe draft next april... if they get off to a poor start the wheels are gonna come right off the bus...

Not to mention their overwhelming problem from last year was injuries upon injuries. Not working out and getting into shape earlier is definately not going to help that problem. Of course, this is assuming that all of these players didn't have perfectly fine excuses not to attend.

[shally]

Not to mention their overwhelming problem from last year was injuries upon injuries. Not working out and getting into shape earlier is definately not going to help that problem. Of course, this is assuming that all of these players didn't have perfectly fine excuses not to attend.

i really blame the veteran players.. that kind of dysfunction is a product of team leaders who do not take their role seriously and who do not feel fully invested in the success of the team..

if i were in the front office, i would feel really bad about this year's team and would lay the groundwork for giving mccarthy a real chance with a team assembled from the ground up.. there can be no halfway, half-assed effort here.. the team needs to be nuked and assemble from scratch.. they lost a season by not doing it starting with this year's draft and the best they can now do is to select the young players who will form the nucleus of future success. it is going to be a miserable year for packer fans..

[S.Taylor36]

WOW look at the names that didn't show up either. Charles Woodson, Al Harris, Ahman Green, Bubba Franks, A.J. Hawk, and Donald Driver among them. This is not good for the Packers.

You forgot to mention 50/50 was a no show.

Packers WR Rod Gardner has not yet showed up to Green Bay's Organized Team Activities.
Gardner is hardly the type of veteran who should be skipping offseason work. The Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel calls him the team's "likely No. 3 receiver" but he has a chance to start if he plays well in camp or get cut if he doesn't.

What is this guy doing not showing up? I'm so glad he'll never ever be a Redskin again.

[The Skinsinator]

You forgot to mention 50/50 was a no show.

Packers WR Rod Gardner has not yet showed up to Green Bay's Organized Team Activities.
Gardner is hardly the type of veteran who should be skipping offseason work. The Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel calls him the team's "likely No. 3 receiver" but he has a chance to start if he plays well in camp or get cut if he doesn't.

What is this guy doing not showing up? I'm so glad he'll never ever be a Redskin again.LMAO. Why in the world would Rod Gardner of all people take responsibility and take it on his shoulders to set a good example? That's a pip dream buddy. This collection of Packers is definitely an interesting one.

[shally]

LMAO. Why in the world would Rod Gardner of all people take responsibility and take it on his shoulders to set a good example? That's a pip dream buddy. This collection of Packers is definitely an interesting one.

gardner is running true to form once again... i bet he doesn't miss the midweek DIS-organized team activities..
:lol1:

[IowaSkinsFan]

Participation reflects leadership, IMO.

[The Skinsinator]

Participation reflects leadership, IMO.And interest no doubt. That is alarmingly high abscence figure.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Especially in light of a new coach with a new approach/philosophy to the WCO.

[LATrueRedskin]

You forgot to mention 50/50 was a no show.

Packers WR Rod Gardner has not yet showed up to Green Bay's Organized Team Activities.
Gardner is hardly the type of veteran who should be skipping offseason work. The Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel calls him the team's "likely No. 3 receiver" but he has a chance to start if he plays well in camp or get cut if he doesn't.

What is this guy doing not showing up? I'm so glad he'll never ever be a Redskin again.

lol the nerve of Rod Gardner to think he has the leverage to miss voluntary workouts. He should be eating, sleeping, and crapping the Green Bay Packers right now.

[IowaSkinsFan]

lol the nerve of Rod Gardner to think he has the leverage to miss voluntary workouts. He should be eating, sleeping, and crapping the Green Bay Packers right now.

It was 50/50 that he would show up! :D

[PA Skins Girl]

Now Favre is MIA. What is going on up there???

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2471811

[LATrueRedskin]

Now Favre is MIA. What is going on up there???

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2471811

Wow. Other stars still not showing up as well. And shame on William Henderson for ripping his team during draft weekend about not being a team and being selfish. He didn't show up either.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Oh come on people, no comments on the "50/50" joke I stuck in there? Please, that was decent.

Here's a link in case you missed it.

http://www.hailredskins.com/vbforum/showpost.php?p=747705&postcount=33

[shally]

It was 50/50 that he would show up! :D

but not 50/50 he makes the team.. even without walker is think he is no better than 25/75 to make the roster...

[shally]

Wow. Other stars still not showing up as well. And shame on William Henderson for ripping his team during draft weekend about not being a team and being selfish. He didn't show up either.

you can see my thoughts about this team on akh's new posting.. i think this is a team with a legitimate top 3 chance in next seasons draft and an outside chance of the top overall pick. they are going to be dreadfull this year.

[BigPlayJay]

Sounds like they are off to a bad start in Green Bay. I wonder if the new coach will be able to overcome this?

IMO Favre needs to step up and get the players involved, he must first lead by example and be there for everything.

[shally]

it is too early to throw mccarthy under the wheels of the bus, but he is certainly not getting off to a good start as a head coach..

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Is it just me or are the Packers looking more and more like a circus?

[shally]

Is it just me or are the Packers looking more and more like a circus?

no.. you are correct... they are a team in disarray this off season

[redskin_rich]

no.. you are correct... they are a team in disarray this off season
They really need to find out if Rodgers is the answer at QB, because I believe they will be in the top 5 picks in this year's draft and they already passed on taking Leinart in the last draft.

[PA Skins Girl]

Is it just me or are the Packers looking more and more like a circus?
It's true. And I used to consider them one of the most stable teams out there.

[joethefan]

I say the more the marrier...that'll take more time for them to jell...giving us another opponent that we won't have to worry about that much...LOL..cause GOD knows we'll need all we can get this year...

[shally]

They really need to find out if Rodgers is the answer at QB, because I believe they will be in the top 5 picks in this year's draft and they already passed on taking Leinart in the last draft.


i blame the front office for this debacle.. you cannot leave a new coach twisting in the wind like that..

i also agree they need to find out if rodgers is the answer

[DCassain21]

this will be the team selecting first in the 07 draft

[shally]

this will be the team selecting first in the 07 draft

a lot of things would have to come together for that to happen.. but i have said earlier i think they will be picking top 3-5, and if they get off to a bad start it could be they are picking first overall... lots of bad karma in green bay..