Article: Gibbs is the finest...

[skinfan43]

...coach in the NFL.:awesomewo Once again, care of realfootball365.com - nothing to comment here but...RIGHT ON!!

http://www.realfootball365.com/nfl/articles/2006/06/joe-gibbs-redskins160606.html

[whitskins]

Wow, Realfootball365 has been showing the love lately, when are they gonna get a Hall of Fame vote??

BTW, thanks for posting all the articles and videos Skinfan43!

[Santheb]

Gonna say as a warning to people, realfootball365.com is loaded with popups and probably spyware. Just a forewarning :)

[smoak]

I'm not clicking on the link, but this is on notion with which I absolutely agree. I think a strong case can be made for Gibbs as the GOAT head coach and if he gets another Super Bowl (or two) I really think the NFL should rename the trophy.

[Torresa]

...coach in the NFL.:awesomewo Once again, care of realfootball365.com - nothing to comment here but...RIGHT ON!!

http://www.realfootball365.com/nfl/articles/2006/06/joe-gibbs-redskins160606.html

RIGHT ON!!

[colkurtz]

It's amazing how many coaches were considered "great", but when they didn't have a premier QB they looked pretty average.

QB's like Montana, Young, Aikman, Brady and even McKnabb have made their coaches look like geniuses; but at other venues these coaches suddenly faded.

Great article for giving Gibbs his due.

[Torresa]

Isn't this article saying like water is wet.. Gibbs is a great, that should be a given....

[shally]

Wow, Realfootball365 has been showing the love lately, when are they gonna get a Hall of Fame vote??

BTW, thanks for posting all the articles and videos Skinfan43!

that is true.. that would help monk's case a lot..

[Keino]

I had a problem with calling Doug a Mediocre Pro Football talent at best. Doug guided a 3 year old franchise in Tampa Bay whose best WR was TE Jimmy Giles to the Conf Championship, and he put up incredible numbers in the USFL (Houston Gamblers).

Also, something that gets left out of the Bellichek/Gibbs comparison: Gibbs lost both Dan Henning and Joe Bugel as assistant coaches and still went on to win Superbowls. It remains to be seen how well BB will do without Charlie Weiss and Romeo Crennel.

[garedskin]

The poster should also have noted the RBs where also different each time.Riggins/Washington,Rogers/Smith, and Byner/Riggs.Also all 3 of those QBs where 30+ when they won thier championships.Hopefully Brunell will be the 4th 30 something Qb to win a ring under Gibbs.None of the so called greatest coaches won with a different QB.........the one we never hear mentioned is George Halas of the bears.He managed to win titles with 4 different QBs.IMHO Gibbs is chasing Halas and ONLY Halas for title of Greatest coach.:Peace:

[redskinz#1fan]

Very good article! It's really nice to know that some people are finally giving Gibbs his props! He was beaten down by the media and others when he returned. They spoke of how much the game had passed him by after his 1st season back, but you haven't heard much since we went to the playoffs last year. Once you got it, you always got it! It's just like anything when you haven't done it for awhile, your a little rusty. Gibbs will get us back to the promise land, you can bet the house on that one!

[Keino]

The poster should also have noted the RBs where also different each time.Riggins/Washington,Rogers/Smith, and Byner/Riggs.Also all 3 of those QBs where 30+ when they won thier championships.Hopefully Brunell will be the 4th 30 something Qb to win a ring under Gibbs.None of the so called greatest coaches won with a different QB.........the one we never hear mentioned is George Halas of the bears.He managed to win titles with 4 different QBs.IMHO Gibbs is chasing Halas and ONLY Halas for title of Greatest coach.:Peace:

It really is hard to argue with the fact that Lombardi won 6 straight. Thats an incredible feat even with the same QB

[Skinz4lyfe]

Some of the comments that were made after the article were a bit interesting as well. Most people still aren't giving Gibbs the credit he deserves. I tell you what, when we make the playoffs again this year there will be a lot of crow to pass around. Sure football has changed since Gibbs first tenure but the fact remains, he is still one of the greatest coaches ever. People tend to forget that in Gibbs' 3 SB victories, there were many different players on each of those squads. We almost completely turned over the roster on each of those teams. That's why I do not think the salary cap will not have as big an effect on Gibbs' success as others think.

[Charlz]

This article was a keen observation of the obvious, it could be an attempt to soften the Redskins organization/fans with adoration.

[whistleandthumb]

If Gibbs wins a fourth SB with ANOTHER QB, I think the list basically becomes 1. Lombardi, 2. Gibbs, etc.

[shally]

I had a problem with calling Doug a Mediocre Pro Football talent at best. Doug guided a 3 year old franchise in Tampa Bay whose best WR was TE Jimmy Giles to the Conf Championship, and he put up incredible numbers in the USFL (Houston Gamblers).

Also, something that gets left out of the Bellichek/Gibbs comparison: Gibbs lost both Dan Henning and Joe Bugel as assistant coaches and still went on to win Superbowls. It remains to be seen how well BB will do without Charlie Weiss and Romeo Crennel.

you can add mangini to the list as well..

to me it is going to be harder to separate out the loss of players from the loss of assistant coaches. how do you determine which is at fault?

if you look at the decline of the dallas cowboys during and after the reign of jimmy johnson, i say it is the loss of a profound number of very solid starters and backups to free agency that was the key rather than the loss of wannstedt and norval and other coaches.. they simply were not able to accomodate for the losses of guys like darrin smith, robt jones, larry brown,
and so many others...

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

its kinda hard to disagree with that article. :)

[skinfan43]

Wow, Realfootball365 has been showing the love lately, when are they gonna get a Hall of Fame vote??

BTW, thanks for posting all the articles and videos Skinfan43!
You're welcome Whit! We all need a Skins "boost" during these dog-days-of-offseason, IMO.

[garedskin]

It really is hard to argue with the fact that Lombardi won 6 straight. Thats an incredible feat even with the same QB

Actually Lombardi won 5 of 6 titles(Lost in 60,won in 61,62,65,66,and 67 that includes the first 2(66,and 67) superbowls) from 60-67 BASICALLY with the same roster.Halas got his 6th title in 63(in his 36th year as a coach) with his 4th different QB/RB tandem as well as his 4th different rostered Chicago Bears team.Halas was able to win with whom ever he had on his roster time and time again.That to me is a very strong indicator for how great a coach Halas really was.Halas was 6-3 in title games.:Peace:

[FanFromArizona]

If Gibbs wins a fourth SB with ANOTHER QB, I think the list basically becomes 1. Lombardi, 2. Gibbs, etc.


Not to poke fun at you buddy, if Gibbs win a fourth SB it WILL be with a 4th QB.

And we all know there is no question about Gibbs winning a 4th [and a 5th and a 6th] SB. :rolleyes:


:Peace:

[And I will be there in Glendale, AZ to represent when he does come to win the 5th!]

[JoeDaSchmoe]

That brought a tear to my eye. Real Football 365's an excellent site.

[smoak]

you can add mangini to the list as well..

to me it is going to be harder to separate out the loss of players from the loss of assistant coaches. how do you determine which is at fault?

if you look at the decline of the dallas cowboys during and after the reign of jimmy johnson, i say it is the loss of a profound number of very solid starters and backups to free agency that was the key rather than the loss of wannstedt and norval and other coaches.. they simply were not able to accomodate for the losses of guys like darrin smith, robt jones, larry brown,
and so many others...

dallass didn't decline under JJ. He won two and bailed on the team. Switzer is the genius who couldn't win a Super Bowl with what I feel was one of the most stacked teams in the modern era. The guy was about as smart as a dying ox.

[redwolf1218]

if you read further past the article posted at the beginning of this thread, on down into the discussion forum, you will see the first comment is from a Bills fan who states that he thinks Bellicheck is the better coach because Gibbs never had to manage a salary cap. i've heard that argument a few times, but they usually leave out the part where Gibbs didnt have free agency back then like it exists now either.

he also said that it didnt matter that Gibbs won with 3 different "mediocre" QB's because he had a great running game each time, as if that is somehow Gibbs' fault, or maybe as if Gibbs deserves no credit for that. i bet the guy has never heard of Timmy Smith, and rightly so, because he's not exactly Corey Dillon, but Gibbs was still able to win with him, and a long list of other running backs as well.

[shally]

dallass didn't decline under JJ. He won two and bailed on the team. Switzer is the genius who couldn't win a Super Bowl with what I feel was one of the most stacked teams in the modern era. The guy was about as smart as a dying ox.

you are right. i stand corrected... the cowboys began to lose a little talent under JJ but were so loaded from top to bottom that even switzer couldn't screw it up for a while..they probably could have won without a head coach completely-- come to think of it, that is exactly what the situation was under barry..
:lol1:

[smoak]

you are right. i stand corrected... the cowboys began to lose a little talent under JJ but were so loaded from top to bottom that even switzer couldn't screw it up for a while..they probably could have won without a head coach completely-- come to think of it, that is exactly what the situation was under barry..
:lol1:

No problem really. Your point is still accurrate that I'm not sure what value Norval and Pitt Boy brought to the party. The early teams were LOADED with talent and I was just thrilled to see Switzer come in and gunk it up. I thought the Stillers would beat them but thanks to NOD playing catch with LB, that didn't happen.

[redwolf1218]

Not to poke fun at you buddy, if Gibbs win a fourth SB it WILL be with a 4th QB.

And we all know there is no question about Gibbs winning a 4th [and a 5th and a 6th] SB. :rolleyes:


:Peace:

[And I will be there in Glendale, AZ to represent when he does come to win the 5th!]
it is entirely possible that Gibbs could win another one now with Brunell and another with Campbell before he's done.

[Swirvi]

http://www.realfootball365.com/nfl/articles/2006/06/dallas-cowboys-afceast200606.html

Basically the article states that the NFC East will be a 2 way race between the Cowgirls and the Sheagles. So what is his reasoning behind us not winning it? Besides having a tougher schedule than last year, we have "an aging QB" who could easily go down and thus ruin our season. Plus, apparently we haven't upgraded our talent enough this year!!!!

Someone needs to buy this guy a clue. I think that Todd Collins would fill in decently if Brunell went down...the guy knows the offense like the back of his hand. And just because the eagles have an easier schedule doesn't mean they are a better team...or will finish with a better record. They still have to play 6 NFCE games...against teams better than them. And I don't even need to speak about ugrading talent.

I guess you can't have everyone love you.