KFFL: Redskins news

[chrisbcbu]

Redskins | Team wants S. Taylor to stay in line
Sun, 18 Jun 2006 08:48:12 -0700

Paul Woody, of the Times-Dispatch, reports the Washington Redskins are urging S Sean Taylor to avoid any more off-the-field issues. Coaches love that Taylor will do whatever is needed to help his team win. What the Redskins coaching staff does not love are the problems Taylor creates for himself. In two seasons, Taylor has been fined seven times by the NFL. Taylor says the experience has taught him an important lesson. "Try to avoid all these situations," he said. "Don't put yourself in the position where you can even be affiliated." The repercussions from Taylor's conflict with the law might not be finished. The NFL still has the option of fining or suspending him for one or more regular-season games. The Redskins are trying to get Taylor's attention. For this minicamp, he has been demoted to second team because of the offseason workouts he has missed. Redskins' assistant head coach/defense Gregg Williams wants Taylor in the defense for the long haul, and he hopes the messages he sends via demotions get through.



Redskins | Team close to a contract with K. Simon
Sun, 18 Jun 2006 07:31:31 -0700

David Elfin, of the Washington Times, reports the Washington Redskins are close to a contract agreement with seventh-round draft pick LB Kevin Simon.


Redskins | Team close to a contract with Lefotu
Sun, 18 Jun 2006 07:29:07 -0700

David Elfin, of the Washington Times, reports the Washington Redskins are close to a contract agreement with seventh-round draft pick OG Kili Lefotu.


Redskins | Sellers lays out Archuleta
Sun, 18 Jun 2006 07:27:05 -0700

David Elfin, of the Washington Times, reports minicamp drills are expected to be non-contact drills, but Washington Redskins FB Mike Sellers knocked S Adam Archuleta off his feet after one short pass during practice Saturday, June 17.


Redskins | Friends may be battling for one spot
Sun, 18 Jun 2006 07:23:34 -0700

David Elfin, of the Washington Times, reports Washington Redskins DTs Anthony Montgomery and Kedric Golston are in the awkward situation of being two friends battling for perhaps one roster spot along the defensive line. Both were 2006 draft choices. "It's going to be hard," assistant defensive line coach Kirk Olivadotti said when assessing the chances of Montgomery and Golston making the team. "We like both those guys and they're catching on, but they both have a long way to go. It's going to be hard. There are a lot of guys on the line who have been here and play the way we like them to play." Assistant head coach-defense Gregg Williams was a little more optimistic.


Redskins | Bugel trying to build offensive line depth
Sun, 18 Jun 2006 07:15:30 -0700

Ryan O'Halloran, of the Washington Times, reports after being burned in a 2005 playoff game by lack of offensive line depth, Washington Redskins offensive line coach Joe Bugel wants to make sure he does not have that problem again in 2006. To prevent that kind of situation this season, the Redskins went about reshaping the line's depth. After the front-line players, Bugel has questions. "Depth is a big concern for us right now," he said. "But we have some young kids that have to come to the forefront. It's extremely important." 10 players are competing for precious few roster spots. None are older than 28, most can play more than one position and few have any starting experience. Depth is important for the Redskins because OT Chris Samuels has a history of minor knee problems, OG Randy Thomas is coming back from a fractured leg, OC Casey Rabach from shoulder surgery and a leg injury and OT Jon Jansen played the first half of last season with two broken thumbs.

This sounds exactly like Sellers to lay someone out.

[redwolf1218]

at 270 pounds, Sellers might be the biggest fullback in the league.

[Ibleedburgundy]

If you watch the interview with Coach Gibbs on Redskins.com he talks about ST at length and I sensed some minor trepidation there.

[shally]

This sounds exactly like Sellers to lay someone out.

great stuff... thanks for the links

[FanFromArizona]

I am most concerned by the article on our OLine depth. I think [I hope] Sean has learned his time to mature is NOW, and I hope both Anthony and Kedric make the team as DTs.

The game starts up front on the line, but we need to make sure we develop our depth in the event they are needed. I am glad to see that we recognize the need and I hope that they devote next year's offseason to this critical need [also while we are at it, get a decent kicker!]

[shally]

at 270 pounds, Sellers might be the biggest fullback in the league.

neal used to be above 250.. not sure how much.. but he was a real load..

[redskinz#1fan]

Redskins | Team wants S. Taylor to stay in line
Sun, 18 Jun 2006 08:48:12 -0700

Paul Woody, of the Times-Dispatch, reports the Washington Redskins are urging S Sean Taylor to avoid any more off-the-field issues. Coaches love that Taylor will do whatever is needed to help his team win. What the Redskins coaching staff does not love are the problems Taylor creates for himself. In two seasons, Taylor has been fined seven times by the NFL. Taylor says the experience has taught him an important lesson. "Try to avoid all these situations," he said. "Don't put yourself in the position where you can even be affiliated." The repercussions from Taylor's conflict with the law might not be finished. The NFL still has the option of fining or suspending him for one or more regular-season games. The Redskins are trying to get Taylor's attention. For this minicamp, he has been demoted to second team because of the offseason workouts he has missed. Redskins' assistant head coach/defense Gregg Williams wants Taylor in the defense for the long haul, and he hopes the messages he sends via demotions get through.


When did Taylor miss any offseason workouts this year? He has been with the team all summer long as far as I know. People keep bringing up how much Taylor was fined since he arrived in the league, but they fail to mention that most of his fines were from uniform violations that him and Portis both received. People are always trying to make Taylor out to be worst then what he really is.

[FanFromArizona]

When did Taylor miss any offseason workouts this year? He has been with the team all summer long as far as I know. People keep bringing up how much Taylor was fined since he arrived in the league, but they fail to mention that most of his fines were from uniform violations that him and Portis both received. People are always trying to make Taylor out to be worst then what he really is.


He missed some OTAs due to court proceedings, I am also thinking he missed some time due to the birth of his son.

[redskinz#1fan]

at 270 pounds, Sellers might be the biggest fullback in the league.

Portis said that he thought that Sellers was really pushing close to 300 pounds. That is one hell of a FB!

[redskinz#1fan]

He missed some OTAs due to court proceedings, I am also thinking he missed some time due to the birth of his son.

It must not have been very much, because he was reported as being the first one at OTA's. I remember the coaches saying that ST was there before they were. Time off for the birth of his child is more then ok, in my opinion!

[FanFromArizona]

at 270 pounds, Sellers might be the biggest fullback in the league.

It's no wonder that Mike is Clinton's favorite player to run behind, it creates a number of mismatches in our favor. You can use Mike to lay out a LB as the lead back for Clinton, or you can keep Clinton in to block and have Sellers take a wide-open dump off, and if they decide to defend against a pass to Mike they you have just opened up a lane for Clinton.

Defenses, pick your poison.

My only worry with Mike is that he reduces boneheaded plays, his blowup on AA is inexcusable IMO.

[FanFromArizona]

Portis said that he thought that Sellers was really pushing close to 300 pounds. That is one hell of a FB!

If that's the case, let Buges put him on the Oline!

[redskinz#1fan]

It's no wonder that Mike is Clinton's favorite player to run behind, it creates a number of mismatches in our favor. You can use Mike to lay out a LB as the lead back for Clinton, or you can keep Clinton in to block and have Sellers take a wide-open dump off, and if they decide to defend against a pass to Mike they you have just opened up a lane for Clinton.

Defenses, pick your poison.

My only worry with Mike is that he reduces boneheaded plays, his blowup on AA is inexcusable IMO.


I don't think that it was a blow-up, but more so just the excitement from the good team that they have. You have to remember that these guys get just as excited about the team that they have as we do! I'm sure no harm was intended!

[LATrueRedskin]

It's no wonder that Mike is Clinton's favorite player to run behind, it creates a number of mismatches in our favor. You can use Mike to lay out a LB as the lead back for Clinton, or you can keep Clinton in to block and have Sellers take a wide-open dump off, and if they decide to defend against a pass to Mike they you have just opened up a lane for Clinton.

Defenses, pick your poison.

My only worry with Mike is that he reduces boneheaded plays, his blowup on AA is inexcusable IMO.

That's a good sign in my book. Sellers can't wait to play some football, and you know Archuleta is looking to get him back. That's what you want out of a practice, even if it's non-contact. It shows the competitiveness and spirit of this football team. These guys are all Redskins.

[shally]

Portis said that he thought that Sellers was really pushing close to 300 pounds. That is one hell of a FB!

if he is near 300 then mobility is going to be an issue at fullback (whereas it would not be at tight end where middleton and caravalho routinely were at 300 or over)..

i wonder if he is going to be able to get out into the flat or get out to the edge to do those lead blocks if he is that heavy.. straight ahead will be no problem, but lateral movement might be..

[chrisbcbu]

if he is near 300 then mobility is going to be an issue at fullback (whereas it would not be at tight end where middleton and caravalho routinely were at 300 or over)..

i wonder if he is going to be able to get out into the flat or get out to the edge to do those lead blocks if he is that heavy.. straight ahead will be no problem, but lateral movement might be..

One of my favorite plays last year was Portis holding onto Sellers shirt following him to the outside. I think Sellers will be more than capable of getting to the outside.

[shally]

One of my favorite plays last year was Portis holding onto Sellers shirt following him to the outside. I think Sellers will be more than capable of getting to the outside.

that was a great play.. funny as heck... reminded me of the original back to the future scene with MJF holding onto the back of the truck while on a skateboard.
still, i cannot imagine that sellers would have the same kind of mobility at 300+ that he had at 260....plus, that was what shortened tre johnson's career and i would hope that sellers would not go that route..

[Red Bear]

that was a great play.. funny as hell... reminded me of the original back to the future scene with MJF holding onto the back of the truck while on a skateboard.
still, i cannot imagine that sellers would have the same kind of mobility at 300+ that he had at 260....plus, that was what shortened tre johnson's career and i would hope that sellers would not go that route..

well for one, sellers isnt exactly 300 pounds yet. and fullback was his position before tight end/h-back was. i am not worried at all about sellers abilities. the guy will open some huge holes for portis, and sellers doesnt just hit people and lock up with them, he runs most of them over so maybe he can lead clinton even further than most fullbacks would. and hopefully teams forget about him again this year when its 3rd and goal from inside the 5.

[FanFromArizona]

Portis said that he thought that Sellers was really pushing close to 300 pounds. That is one hell of a FB!


I would be very surprised if Mike is up in this territory. Ideally Mike should be in the 270-280 range, somehow I don't believe the coaches allowing him to bloat up to the 300 lbs range.

Does anyone have a link that shows/lists Mike at 300 lbs?

[FanFromArizona]

I like Mike's "knock you on your tailfeathers" attitude, check out his response regarding Lavar going to the Giants:


Keep in mind what Sellars said when he was asked about Arrington going to the Giants (paraphrasing cause I don't have the exact quote in front of me):

"I'll just knock him on his butt like I always did in practice."



It will be interesting to watch Sellers on Lavar next year. Bring the lumber Mike!

[shally]

I like Mike's "knock you on your tailfeathers" attitude, check out his response regarding Lavar going to the Giants:



It will be interesting to watch Sellers on Lavar next year. Bring the lumber Mike!

that should be where the very first running play goes in our first game with the giants...

[IowaSkinsFan]

I would be very surprised if Mike is up in this territory. Ideally Mike should be in the 270-280 range, somehow I don't believe the coaches allowing him to bloat up to the 300 lbs range.

Does anyone have a link that shows/lists Mike at 300 lbs?

I know have have never seen him listed at 300. I think he has always played in the 260-265 range. Ironhead Heyward never played at 300 as far as I can remember, hard to believe that Joe and company would let Mike get that big. One of the best things he has going for him is to be able to get out in front of Portis on the sweeps and if he was 300 pounds that would limit his ability to do so.

[shally]

I know have have never seen him listed at 300. I think he has always played in the 260-265 range. Ironhead Heyward never played at 300 as far as I can remember, hard to believe that Joe and company would let Mike get that big. One of the best things he has going for him is to be able to get out in front of Portis on the sweeps and if he was 300 pounds that would limit his ability to do so.

having been in new orleans when ironhead played there i can tell you that his listed playing weight was pure fantasy.. if he wasn't over 300 lbs, he flirted with it continuously...

[IowaSkinsFan]

having been in new orleans when ironhead played there i can tell you that his listed playing weight was pure fantasy.. if he wasn't over 300 lbs, he flirted with it continuously...

Mike seems to be a little more fit that Ironhead was....and I think that Mike is too valuable as a receiver to get that big.....I think Portis was just exaggerating on his (Sellers) weight.

[Red Bear]

I think Portis was just exaggerating on his (Sellers) weight.

exactly...

[shally]

Mike seems to be a little more fit that Ironhead was....and I think that Mike is too valuable as a receiver to get that big.....I think Portis was just exaggerating on his (Sellers) weight.

maybe.. but sellers is huge..

and you are right about 'Head... he was fat.. and that really hurt him when he tried to recover from his knee injuries. he never really was the same

[Dolla Bill]

Maybe Sellers was giving him a love tap for missing the off season conditioning at Redskins park.

[shally]

Maybe Sellers was giving him a love tap for missing the off season conditioning at Redskins park.

or sellers is nominating himself for the "matt bowen" award..:lol1:

[FanFromArizona]

that should be where the very first running play goes in our first game with the giants...

We are going to have our own edition of the Flintstones that day:

BAM BAM takes out Dino the dinosaur. {translation: Sellers takes out Lavar}.

Truthfully I don't care HOW MUCH Sellers weighs, I just want to see him make more Brian Dawkins hits on the rest of the NFC East defenses, and in particular one "Mr. Nickels" as Lavar is referred to now.

[shally]

We are going to have our own edition of the Flintstones that day:

BAM BAM takes out Dino the dinosaur. {translation: Sellers takes out Lavar}.

Truthfully I don't care HOW MUCH Sellers weighs, I just want to see him make more Brian Dawkins hits on the rest of the NFC East defenses, and in particular one "Mr. Nickels" as Lavar is referred to now.

that hit on dawkins is one of my all time faves...

[FanFromArizona]

that hit on dawkins is one of my all time faves...


There is a member here who has immortalized the hit, I forget who the member is, but they have it in their signature.

[shally]

There is a member here who has immortalized the hit, I forget who the member is, but they have it in their signature.

indeed he has... there are times when i just look at his signature for minutes at a time.. it is mesmerizing...

[Red Bear]

that hit actually made one of redskins.com's top ten plays of 2005

[FanFromArizona]

indeed he has... there are times when i just look at his signature for minutes at a time.. it is mesmerizing...

well he will have an opportunity to update that signature this year with Sellers hit on Lavar.

[shally]

well he will have an opportunity to update that signature this year with Sellers hit on Lavar.

i cannot wait to see that.... the hitting in the redskin/giant game is going to be ferocious..

[FanFromArizona]

i cannot wait to see that.... the hitting in the redskin/giant game is going to be ferocious..

could be on the same level as the Body Bag Game.......[shows you how old I am to be able to remember that game]

[shally]

could be on the same level as the Body Bag Game.......[shows you how old I am to be able to remember that game]

the body bag game was 1 sided.. the giant/redskin game is likely to be a war. you know that pierce and lavar are going to be stoked like crazy.. they need to let them take themselves out of the plays with misdirection.
still, there will be lots of big hits..

[FanFromArizona]

the body bag game was 1 sided.. the giant/redskin game is likely to be a war. you know that pierce and lavar are going to be stoked like crazy.. they need to let them take themselves out of the plays with misdirection.
still, there will be lots of big hits..

LIKE I SAID, will be on the same level as the Body Bag Game, they will be carting off so many GIANTS to the tune of redefining what "BLUE" is supposed to look like [as in BLACK and BLUE]

The funny thing is Antonio and Lavar are actually going to have to prep up and I am sure we are going to get some plays in there to just rough the two of them[Antonio and Lavar] up.

[joethefan]

He missed some OTAs due to court proceedings, I am also thinking he missed some time due to the birth of his son.

But who wouldn't miss time for the birth of their child....the skins are pissing me off with this crap..first we want sean to take care of his issues but then he's punished for handling the situation in an upright manner. I don't understand. and why demote someone that you know will be starting on the first day of the season...that sounds stupid. I'm not feeling them right now. Yes they are my squad but stuff like this pisses me off. This man is trying to turn a page in his life. It seems he's learning from his mistakes but for you to keep punishing him to me may not be helping. :banghead:

[redwolf1218]

But who wouldn't miss time for the birth of their child....the skins are pissing me off with this crap..first we want sean to take care of his issues but then he's punished for handling the situation in an upright manner. I don't understand. and why demote someone that you know will be starting on the first day of the season...that sounds stupid. I'm not feeling them right now. Yes they are my squad but stuff like this pisses me off. This man is trying to turn a page in his life. It seems he's learning from his mistakes but for you to keep punishing him to me may not be helping. :banghead:
i dont think it's that bad JTF. i think if you miss practice or even if you are late to practice or a meeting or whatever, a coach doesnt want to hear about why, they just say "you're late, take a lap". then you practice really hard a few days and say "coach am i going to start?" and he'll say "you keep playing like that and you'll start." i think Taylor is at the point where he's sorry for what he's done, and he'll earn back the starting job really fast. it's not really punishment, it's just that he wasnt there, so there's some team chemistry to think about, and there's a message to be sent.

remember under Norv when Westbrook pounded Stephen Davis and Norv did basically nothing about it? the message was clear, the star players could get away with anything. the message now is the opposite, it's more like, i dont care how big a star you are, you have to do the right thing and get in line like everyone else, no matter what.

having a child is something you can plan for and get an excused absence ahead of time, to a certain extent. i mean at least you have 9 months knowing it's coming. the other stuff, that's his own fault.

also, everyone already knows Taylor's the best, so this will get Doughty or someone else some valuable time with the starters.

[S.Taylor36]

Redskins | Portis looking forward to 2006
Mon, 19 Jun 2006 06:24:02 -0700

Michael C. Wright, of the Daily Press, reports Washington Redskins RB Clinton Portis can't wait for the 2006 season to start. "I have to hit some home runs before these people write me off saying I can't do it anymore," Portis said. "I'm looking forward to a couple of 90 yarders this year." With deceptive spread formations and a plethora of gadget plays, offensive coordinator Al Saunders' offense provides Portis the perfect opportunity to regain the reputation he built in Denver as a big-play threat. "You can't put eight people in the box. If you do, we will bomb you. You would rather give me 20 or 30 (yards) than give them 80," Portis said. Combine that logic with Saunders' history of producing top-notch running backs and you'll see why Portis is so giddy about the upcoming season. Portis bulked up last season to fit into head coach Joe Gibbs' power running attack. Now he's trying to trim down to become more of a homerun threat.

Huge year coming up for Portis. So much attention has been given to our new receivers that people forget Portis is gonna love this spread offense. I can't wait to see the long runs this year.

[S.Taylor36]

Redskins | Frost battling Lonie at punter
Mon, 19 Jun 2006 05:40:32 -0700

Ryan O'Halloran, of the Washington Times, reports Washington Redskins P Derrick Frost will face training camp competition from rookie P David Lonie. "We have to be in the top 10," special teams coach Danny Smith said. "Our coverage is outstanding (second in the NFL last year), but we need to punt the ball a little better. I'm anxious to see where we can bring Derrick to now that we've had him a whole year." Frost radically changed his offseason routine, punting nearly half as much as normal.


Redskins | Hall hoping surgery has him on track
Mon, 19 Jun 2006 05:35:10 -0700

Ryan O'Halloran, of the Washington Times, reports Washington Redskins PK John Hall is hoping surgery in January has him on the right track to a healthy 2006 season. Hall felt his problem was more complex than a quadriceps or groin injury and an evaluation late last season confirmed Hall's suspicions. Hall's surgery repaired muscles that were detached from his pelvis and another muscle he said was "frayed like a rope." Because of those injuries, Hall was overcompensating on his right side, which was a likely source of his hamstring (2004) and quadriceps (2005) ailments. Hall did little kicking during the minicamp, which was by design. During traning camp, Hall will be challenged for his job by PK Tyler Jones. Asked if Hall would have to be markedly outperformed because he's the incumbent, special teams coach Danny Smith said: "Once they're on the field, it's competition and it doesn't really matter where they've come from, who they are or what their credentials are. We'll keep the best guy, period."


Redskins | Holdman looking to take over the weakside
Mon, 19 Jun 2006 05:28:03 -0700

David Elfin, of the Washington Times, reports Washington Redskins LB Warrick Holdman is tentatively set to take over as the team's starting weakside linebacker. Rookie LB Rocky McIntosh is the only credible alternative now that LB Chris Clemons has been switched to the strongside behind LB Marcus Washington. "Warrick is having a great camp," said assistant head coach-defense Gregg Williams. "His suddenness without pads on is excellent. Right now, Warrick has the edge." Holdman is far from secure in his status as a starter. "I'm in better shape and I know the defense a little better so I feel more comfortable, but I can't go in saying it's my job to lose," said the 233-pound Holdman, who's about 10 pounds lighter than he was last season.



Redskins | Campbell still learning; battling Collins for No. 2 spot
Mon, 19 Jun 2006 05:25:02 -0700

Paul Woody, of the Times-Dispatch, reports Washington Redskins QB Jason Campbell is battling QB Todd Collins for the team's No. 2 QB spot. Campbell took more snaps than usual during the Redskins' minicamp this past weekend because starting QB Mark Brunell (finger) was out. He had some outstanding moments and showed an ability to zip passes into tight spaces. He also showed he could put air under the ball and find receivers on deep routes. He also had some "teachable" moments. If the season began tomorrow, Collins would be the backup. The season doesn't begin until September, though. "Jason has made steady, steady progress," offensive coordinator Al Saunders said. "He's going to work through the summer, and, hopefully, when training camp starts, he will be in a position to really compete for that backup position."


Redskins | Fenner forced to leave practice early
Mon, 19 Jun 2006 05:22:12 -0700

Paul Woody, of the Times-Dispatch, reports Washington Redskins rookie WR Derrick Fenner (quad) took a knee to his quadriceps and left practice early Sunday, June 18.

[redskinz#1fan]

that hit on dawkins is one of my all time faves...


He destroyed Dawkins! He made it seem like a little boy was trying to tackle a grown man. We all know who won that battle.

[GWBlitzST]

Redskins | Frost battling Lonie at punter
Mon, 19 Jun 2006 05:40:32 -0700

Ryan O'Halloran, of the Washington Times, reports Washington Redskins P Derrick Frost will face training camp competition from rookie P David Lonie. "We have to be in the top 10," special teams coach Danny Smith said. "Our coverage is outstanding (second in the NFL last year), but we need to punt the ball a little better. I'm anxious to see where we can bring Derrick to now that we've had him a whole year." Frost radically changed his offseason routine, punting nearly half as much as normal.

After his stellar season he took a little more vacation time. Right. See ya, Frosty.

[S.Taylor36]

After his stellar season he took a little more vacation time. Right. See ya, Frosty.

I can only hope Frost will be gone. Our punt coverage was great last year but our punting was terrible.

[PA Skins Girl]

Redskins | Hall hoping surgery has him on track
Mon, 19 Jun 2006 05:35:10 -0700

Ryan O'Halloran, of the Washington Times, reports Washington Redskins PK John Hall is hoping surgery in January has him on the right track to a healthy 2006 season. Hall felt his problem was more complex than a quadriceps or groin injury and an evaluation late last season confirmed Hall's suspicions. Hall's surgery repaired muscles that were detached from his pelvis and another muscle he said was "frayed like a rope." Because of those injuries, Hall was overcompensating on his right side, which was a likely source of his hamstring (2004) and quadriceps (2005) ailments.
Ouch!!
This is news to me. Did anyone else here know about this surgery?

[redskinz#1fan]

Ouch!!
This is news to me. Did anyone else here know about this surgery?


Yeah, this is the first that I have heard of Hall having any kind of surgery. Maybe that is why he always looked gimpy last year.

[shally]

Yeah, this is the first that I have heard of Hall having any kind of surgery. Maybe that is why he always looked gimpy last year.

me too. i hadn't heard anything about it.. hopefully that will solve the problems he had..

[redskinz#1fan]

me too. i hadn't heard anything about it.. hopefully that will solve the problems he had..


I hope so, because he hasn't seemed himself lately. I remember when he use to walk on the field for a field goal & there was no worries in my head. But in his current state (last season), I was in doubt most of the time. Not to mention his short kickoffs, that was always giving the other team great field position.

[redwolf1218]

i'm skepticle but trying to be optimistic. that sounds pretty bad for Hall, but it explains a lot. he's had 6 months now to recuperate so i hope he is as strong as ever. we need to end this jinx with kickers.

[hail2skins]

But who wouldn't miss time for the birth of their child....the skins are pissing me off with this crap..first we want sean to take care of his issues but then he's punished for handling the situation in an upright manner. I don't understand. and why demote someone that you know will be starting on the first day of the season...that sounds stupid. I'm not feeling them right now. Yes they are my squad but stuff like this pisses me off. This man is trying to turn a page in his life. It seems he's learning from his mistakes but for you to keep punishing him to me may not be helping. :banghead:Joe, I think you're over reacting to this. I think the only reason he was demoted (so to speak) is because he missed some stuff and he's behind. Gibbs actually stated he was behind the others and missed some stuff. He'll have to catch up and I'm sure he'll do that.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Did anyone see that Clemson has been moved to the backup on the strong side behind Marcus Washington, leaving McIntosh as the only credible backup to Warrick Holdman?

[Red Bear]

Did anyone see that Clemson has been moved to the backup on the strong side behind Marcus Washington, leaving McIntosh as the only credible backup to Warrick Holdman?

yeah, im thinking some training camp battles for backup LB spots will be simon vs campbell and havner vs clemons. with mccune in the mix somewhere. how many linebackers do we have on the team now? i know stull was cut

[PA Skins Girl]

yeah, im thinking some training camp battles for backup LB spots will be simon vs campbell and havner vs clemons. with mccune in the mix somewhere. how many linebackers do we have on the team now? i know stull was cut
Nine

98 Marshall, Lemar LB 6-2 227 5 Michigan State 12-17-1976
59 McCune, Robert LB 6-1 240 1 Louisville 03-09-1979
52 McIntosh, Roger LB 6-2 231 R Miami 11-15-1982
57 Holdman, Warrick LB 6-1 235 7 Texas A&M 11-22-1975
51 Havner, Spencer LB 6-3 237 R UCLA 02-02-1983
58 Clemons, Chris LB 6-3 234 3 Georgia 10-30-1981
50 Campbell, Khary LB 6-3 250 4 Bowling Green 04-04-1979
54 Simon, Kevin LB 5-10 235 R Tennessee 06-12-1983
53 Washington, Marcus LB 6-3 247 6 Auburn 09-17-1977

[Red Bear]

Nine

98 Marshall, Lemar LB 6-2 227 5 Michigan State 12-17-1976
59 McCune, Robert LB 6-1 240 1 Louisville 03-09-1979
52 McIntosh, Roger LB 6-2 231 R Miami 11-15-1982
57 Holdman, Warrick LB 6-1 235 7 Texas A&M 11-22-1975
51 Havner, Spencer LB 6-3 237 R UCLA 02-02-1983
58 Clemons, Chris LB 6-3 234 3 Georgia 10-30-1981
50 Campbell, Khary LB 6-3 250 4 Bowling Green 04-04-1979
54 Simon, Kevin LB 5-10 235 R Tennessee 06-12-1983
53 Washington, Marcus LB 6-3 247 6 Auburn 09-17-1977

thanks. after looking at the list, competition is going to be very tight this year.

[PA Skins Girl]

thanks. after looking at the list, competition is going to be very tight this year.
I know. I thought Holdman would be cut it but now it sounds like he might even start. Hard to say who will get cut at this point.

[Red Bear]

I know. I thought Holdman would be cut it but now it sounds like he might even start. Hard to say who will get cut at this point.

yeah, we got a lot of young guys who could impress and steal some of the veterans spots. or the vets could stand firm and weigh heavier with the coaches

[shally]

yeah, we got a lot of young guys who could impress and steal some of the veterans spots. or the vets could stand firm and weigh heavier with the coaches

it is a nice problem to have.. and don't think for a moment that other teams aren't watching our cuts to see who they can pick up later..

[redwolf1218]

Did anyone see that Clemson has been moved to the backup on the strong side behind Marcus Washington, leaving McIntosh as the only credible backup to Warrick Holdman?
they have been teaching McCune the weak side.

[shally]

they have been teaching McCune the weak side.


that has to mess with mccune's head.. he was not the most instinctive player last year... now another position shift for him? does not bode well

[redwolf1218]

that has to mess with mccune's head.. he was not the most instinctive player last year... now another position shift for him? does not bode well
i got the impression they just wanted him to be a more versatile backup.

[joethefan]

that has to mess with mccune's head.. he was not the most instinctive player last year... now another position shift for him? does not bode well

It would seem to me that if they are trying to teach him something else may also mean that they see him as being versitle. More like cross training.

[joethefan]

i got the impression they just wanted him to be a more versatile backup.

Wow it's funny RED we were think ing and typing the same thing.

[shally]

It would seem to me that if they are trying to teach him something else may also mean that they see him as being versitle. More like cross training.

anything to make him more valuable to the team... but, i just worry that if mccune is thinking instead of reacting instinctively, he is going to have it rough.. holdman was quoted somewhere as saying he was mentally a step slow last year, imagine what that has to feel like to mccune?

[redwolf1218]

Wow it's funny RED we were think ing and typing the same thing.
i noticed that too...

i think they want guys who can be backups at more than one place. last year McCune was in the middle, this year the weak side. last year Clemons on the weak side, this year the strong side. if i recall correctly, didnt Campbell get a few plays on the weak side last year, after starting out as a backup in the middle? Havner's learning the strong side, Simon the middle. i think Williams wants a bunch of versatile backups for use in various packages, and to be able to overcome injuries throughout the season.

[shally]

i noticed that too...

i think they want guys who can be backups at more than one place. last year McCune was in the middle, this year the weak side. last year Clemons on the weak side, this year the strong side. if i recall correctly, didnt Campbell get a few plays on the weak side last year, after starting out as a backup in the middle? Havner's learning the strong side, Simon the middle. i think Williams wants a bunch of versatile backups for use in various packages, and to be able to overcome injuries throughout the season.

that would seem to be the intent.. plus, to find out where a guy actually plays best. who knew marshall could play the middle so well?

[redwolf1218]

that would seem to be the intent.. plus, to find out where a guy actually plays best. who knew marshall could play the middle so well?
i have to admit i was surprised because of his lack of prototypical size for a middle linebacker, but he does have speed.

[shally]

i have to admit i was surprised because of his lack of prototypical size for a middle linebacker, but he does have speed.

athleticism as well.. that interception against the eagles was one that very few linebackers can make.. it was a db's play and reflected marshall's background.
if the d line is improved it is going to really allow marshall to fly around this year..

[joethefan]

athleticism as well.. that interception against the eagles was one that very few linebackers can make.. it was a db's play and reflected marshall's background.
if the d line is improved it is going to really allow marshall to fly around this year..

I agree...marshall will make a huge impact for us.....