David Patten

[PA Skins Girl]

I just watched the interview with Gibbs from Sunday after minicamp on Redskins.comTV. One of the reporters stated that some folks were saying that Patten has looked better than anyone out there. Gibbs said he has looked terrific and that for the last 4 games before they put him on IR, he was bothered by the meniscus tear in his knee.

Patten seems to be the forgotten man, but I'll be he ends up making big contributions in games this year.

[S.Taylor36]

Absolutely this guy makes a big play this year. Also, what if someone goes down? Patten could fill in nicely, alot better than let's say TAYLOR JACOBS!!!!!!!!

[Red Bear]

I just watched the interview with Gibbs from Sunday after minicamp on Redskins.comTV. One of the reporters stated that some folks were saying that Patten has looked better than anyone out there. Gibbs said he has looked terrific and that for the last 4 games before they put him on IR, he was bothered by the meniscus tear in his knee.

Patten seems to be the forgotten man, but I'll be he ends up making big contributions in games this year.

i agree with you that patten will make a noticeable contribution to the team this year. after last year i think he feels maybe he let the team down and didnt meet any of his expectations. he has a huge chip on his shoulder. he knows he can still play and wants to go out and prove it. im looking forward to watching our entire receiving corp this year, and i think with our WRs, patten will have a lot of things open up for him

[FanFromArizona]

I just watched the interview with Gibbs from Sunday after minicamp on Redskins.comTV. One of the reporters stated that some folks were saying that Patten has looked better than anyone out there. Gibbs said he has looked terrific and that for the last 4 games before they put him on IR, he was bothered by the meniscus tear in his knee.

Patten seems to be the forgotten man, but I'll be he ends up making big contributions in games this year.


I am curious on the differing stories between Gibbs and Patten. If I seem to recall, Patten stated he did not want to go on IR and that it "pained" him at the end of the season to not play because he could have played.

Yet, we have Joe Gibbs stating that he had a meniscus tear in his knee....so was Patten hurt or not hurt last year?

Anyways, I am glad he is back healthy and will be part of our receiving core. I like his team attitude and remembered that there is no "I" in team.

[PA Skins Girl]

I am curious on the differing stories between Gibbs and Patten. If I seem to recall, Patten stated he did not want to go on IR and that it "pained" him at the end of the season to not play because he could have played.

Yet, we have Joe Gibbs stating that he had a meniscus tear in his knee....so was Patten hurt or not hurt last year?

Anyways, I am glad he is back healthy and will be part of our receiving core. I like his team attitude and remembered that there is no "I" in team.
He did have the tear, but he felt he could have contibuted at the end of the season, after he recovered from the surgery. We didnt feel we could hold the roster spot open for him because we were in the "5 in a row" mode and had to bring up Farris from the PS.

[Red Bear]

He did have the tear, but he felt he could have contibuted at the end of the season, after he recovered from the surgery. We didnt feel we could hold the roster spot open for him because we were in the "5 in a row" mode and had to bring up Farris from the PS.

i thought patten went down before the 5 in a row streak. having to hold 2 roster spots for kickers didnt help either, it might have been smarter for us to put hall on IR since he was in such pain and go with novak the rest of the season, and hold the roster spot for patten. but after the lavar experience i can see the coaches being cautious with knee injuries. at the same time i can see patten being frustrated if he felt he was in shape to play but not being able to contribute during such an important run when he saw how our WRs were struggling with the exception of santana.

[skins111111]

with 4 stud wrs and Thrash it will be interesting to see how the ball gets spread around.......you know CP, Betts and Sellars will get a few not to mention Cooley and Fauria a few...............as long as everybody puts the team first as Patten states they did in NE

[PA Skins Girl]

i thought patten went down before the 5 in a row streak. having to hold 2 roster spots for kickers didnt help either, it might have been smarter for us to put hall on IR since he was in such pain and go with novak the rest of the season, and hold the roster spot for patten. but after the lavar experience i can see the coaches being cautious with knee injuries. at the same time i can see patten being frustrated if he felt he was in shape to play but not being able to contribute during such an important run when he saw how our WRs were struggling with the exception of santana.
You're right. We had just lost to TB and were 5-4 when we put Patten on the IR.

[LuvSkins17]

I like Patten and Im glad he is looking good. Can never have too many weapons at WR.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Great news! The more the better..this way even if we were to have one or two (hopefully very minor) injuries, we would still be able to line up two or three excellent receivers on every play, and our play-calling would not be limited..

[daEz0r]

ABSOLUTELY CRAZY. i'm having a hardtime even contemplating having 3 stud WR let alone 4. i don't remember having such depth at WR, a position that in the last 10+ years has been our achilles heel. we might have to deliberately run up the score to keep the recievers/cooley/sellers happy.

[smoak]

My issue with Patten was the drops. If he figures that out, he could still have a couple years as a very solid contributor to Super Bowl teams.

Everyone on the team need to understand their role and know that we need to keep even the backups ready to play.

[LavarBabyDaddy]

I am excited to see this play out in the preseason. We have 4 legit WR's all capable of making an impact on the field this year. I think the competition is great because its going to bring out the best in everyone. As for the last couple of years, we had to put up with the drops (i.e. Rod Gardner, Jacobs) and the mis-running of the routes because all of them knew there was no accountability due to the fact that there was no one else to take their job.

[redskinz#1fan]

My issue with Patten was the drops. If he figures that out, he could still have a couple years as a very solid contributor to Super Bowl teams.

Everyone on the team need to understand their role and know that we need to keep even the backups ready to play.

That had me on fire also. Whether he was hurt or not, he had some wide open ones that he dropped. I'm not talking about some hard catches either. He dropped a couple of 10 yard hook patterns when he had separation. If he can get that fixed and remain healthy, then I think he will come out and have a very good year. Like someone else mentioned on here, he should definitely be playing with a chip on his shoulder. There are a lot of people that are ready to classify him as a bust for the redskins! He has to show up big this year, and I think Gibbs will have him ready for that task!

[Warpath23]

How many WR's do we keep? 5 or 6

[smoak]

How many WR's do we keep? 5 or 6

I can not imagine a scenario where we keep 6 unless someone goes on IR in preseason. I think there will be 4 pr 5 on the active roster depending on who plays special teams.

[redwolf1218]

I can not imagine a scenario where we keep 6 unless someone goes on IR in preseason. I think there will be 4 pr 5 on the active roster depending on who plays special teams.
i'd like to know how many they kept last year in KC. that would be the blueprint.

[CNYSkinFan]

i'd like to know how many they kept last year in KC. that would be the blueprint.
not neccesarily because they didn't have the talent at the top like we do at WR IMO.

[shally]

i'd like to know how many they kept last year in KC. that would be the blueprint.

5, more than likely because of all the packages.. but the last 2 will have to play special teams.. not something patten has been known for

[danny's stogie]

not neccesarily because they didn't have the talent at the top like we do at WR IMO.

Yup, and you have to consider the possibility that Hall wouldn't have made the team if it weren't for his KR duties.

[shally]

Yup, and you have to consider the possibility that Hall wouldn't have made the team if it weren't for his KR duties.

have they not tried hall at WR a few times? the guy is a touchdown machine, although they seem to come on returns pretty much.. you would think you could get the ball into his hands on patterns..

[bgforever]

I just watched the interview with Gibbs from Sunday after minicamp on Redskins.comTV. One of the reporters stated that some folks were saying that Patten has looked better than anyone out there. Gibbs said he has looked terrific and that for the last 4 games before they put him on IR, he was bothered by the meniscus tear in his knee.

Patten seems to be the forgotten man, but I'll be he ends up making big contributions in games this year.

Yep, typical Gibbs move, by having a player that didn't whine about his injury, but tried to play through, while Gibbs remained tight lipped. He doesn't make ANYTHING public about his players, unless its absolutely necessary or they insist. A player's coach!

Patten did exactly what Mark Rypien did in 1992. He played with a bad thumb on the throwing hand and didn't complain, neither did Joe Gibbs make that the issue as Ryp played the whole Divisional playoff game.

[ihatedallas]

Patten will do great when playing either the 3 or the 4....hes just not fit for the number 2 spot in my opinion...

[danny's stogie]

have they not tried hall at WR a few times? the guy is a touchdown machine, although they seem to come on returns pretty much.. you would think you could get the ball into his hands on patterns..

Well, he's been the third reciever for a few years now. He presents a good mental mismatch for defenses because they recognize the elusiveness he displays on returns, but just watching him, from a technical standpoint, I think it would be about 50/50 that he makes the roster without being the primary returnman.

[CNYSkinFan]

have they not tried hall at WR a few times? the guy is a touchdown machine, although they seem to come on returns pretty much.. you would think you could get the ball into his hands on patterns..
I think that is an indication at how weak they were at WR more then Hall's abiulities as a WR, like Brown last year for us.

[shally]

Well, he's been the third reciever for a few years now. He presents a good mental mismatch for defenses because they recognize the elusiveness he displays on returns, but just watching him, from a technical standpoint, I think it would be about 50/50 that he makes the roster without being the primary returnman.


like antonio brown ? is it a hands issue with hall? size ? poor feel for routes?
all of the above?

[shally]

I think that is an indication at how weak they were at WR more then Hall's abiulities as a WR, like Brown last year for us.

you anticipated my comment on brown. kc has not had fine receivers in quite some time. guys like morton and kennison were retreads.. sylvester was a first round bust. boerigter a converted tight end?
it reall says something about saunders schemes with that group..

[danny's stogie]

like antonio brown ? is it a hands issue with hall? size ? poor feel for routes?
all of the above?

D. Saunders knew how to use him though. It'll be interesting to see his role now that there's a new regime.

[shally]

D. Saunders knew how to use him though. It'll be interesting to see his role now that there's a new regime.

that is really good point... might be all he is doing is returning stuff. did they change special team's coach as well inthe off season? i do not even know who their ST coach was.. but herm edwards brought in his guys i would guess.

[redwolf1218]

i cant imagine anyone wanting to get rid of the human pinball. that guy is amazing on returns.

[shally]

i cant imagine anyone wanting to get rid of the human pinball. that guy is amazing on returns.


his productivity has been scary for a number of seasons now..plus, herm had morton at the jets, so he might like having a dangerous returner once again..

[danny's stogie]

that is really good point... might be all he is doing is returning stuff. did they change special team's coach as well inthe off season? i do not even know who their ST coach was.. but herm edwards brought in his guys i would guess.

No clue. I know I'm in the minority, but I really don't like Herm as a coach. I think he's a fantastic motivator and I'm suprised Gibbs hasn't tried to hire him as a motivational speaker, but his in-game management skills are dreadful. Unless Hall became a significantly better reciever this offseason I can't see him getting used nearly as much as Saunders did as I see a new coaching staff that isn't nearly as creative as Vermeil's.

[shally]

No clue. I know I'm in the minority, but I really don't like Herm as a coach. I think he's a fantastic motivator and I'm suprised Gibbs hasn't tried to hire him as a motivational speaker, but his in-game management skills are dreadful. Unless Hall became a significantly better reciever this offseason I can't see him getting used nearly as much as Saunders did as I see a new coaching staff that isn't nearly as creative as Vermeil's.

i agree with you.. i do not see the lure of herm either.. plus, he has had what looks like more than 1 public meltdown which does not seem to bespeak a lot of control of things.. he reminds me of ty willingham who keeps getting chance after chance (he is now the head coach at U of W up here)..
i think herm is attractive and personable as a coach, or speaker if you will, but i doubt the chiefs will be a better team now than they would have been with saunders.. our gain, their loss.

[danny's stogie]

i agree with you.. i do not see the lure of herm either.. plus, he has had what looks like more than 1 public meltdown which does not seem to bespeak a lot of control of things.. he reminds me of ty willingham who keeps getting chance after chance (he is now the head coach at U of W up here)..
i think herm is attractive and personable as a coach, or speaker if you will, but i doubt the chiefs will be a better team now than they would have been with saunders.. our gain, their loss.

I agree. Herm would be a great coach for the right situation, Detroit for example with major motivation problems, but KC just had a similar regime with Vermeil, an uber motivator, as their coach and their downfall was in-game management.

[shally]

I agree. Herm would be a great coach for the right situation, Detroit for example with major motivation problems, but KC just had a similar regime with Vermeil, an uber motivator, as their coach and their downfall was in-game management.

i wonder if the unspoken reason had to do with age.. saunders was supposedly tight with peterson, and maybe going with another older coach after vermeil was something they were afraid to do.. i know that herm and peterson go way back, but it just seemed to be an odd thing to do unless they just wanted a younger guy.. on the face of it, i can see little way the productivity of the offense will match that under saunders

[redwolf1218]

i think Patten wants to be called "DP" now. at least that's he refers to himself repeatedly in the 3rd person when he is being interviewed.

[Redskin4Life]

i think Patten wants to be called "DP" now. at least that's he refers to himself repeatedly in the 3rd person when he is being interviewed.
Maybe that's a coping mechanism for him... so he can say he's "not responsible for the actions of DP." Or a way to hype himself up, "DP can catch that... he can catch anything Mark throws." "Mark, throw DP the ball... he'll catch it. DP promises."

Hahahahahaahahaaha, why do these premadonna WRs make themselves such targets....

[becky]

I hope he makes the roster over Jacobs, but in this WR crowd he's really going to have to earn it. Got to see them all in pads first. I wish training camp would hurry up and get here!

[JoeDaSchmoe]

I can't imagine Patten not being our fourth receiver, rotating in at third a lot to keep everyone's legs fresh. I mean, who else is gonna get the spot? Jacobs?

[redwolf1218]

I can't imagine Patten not being our fourth receiver, rotating in at third a lot to keep everyone's legs fresh. I mean, who else is gonna get the spot? Jacobs?

take your pick...

Ataveus Cash Hampton 2003 FA 2006 - no jersey # yet?
11 Mike Espy Mississippi R FA 2006 - who?
86 Jimmy Farris Montana 2001 FA 2005 2006 - year in the system...PS - ???
14 Derrick Fenner Maryland R FA 2006 - beast...PS - ???
12 Steven Harris Arkansas 2005 FA 2006 - who?
84 Taylor Jacobs Florida 2003 DR 2003 2007 - wussy, but fast???
85 Brandon Lloyd Illinois 2003 TR 2006
89 Santana Moss Miami 2001 TR 2005 2011
80 David Patten Western Carolina 1997 FA 2005 2009 - 31 yrs old???
82 Antwaan Randle El Indiana 2002 FA 2006 2011
16 Richard Smith Arkansas 2005 FA 2006 - Saunders' boy - NFLE exemption
83 James Thrash - special teams, 31 yrs old???

[PA Skins Girl]

take your pick...

Ataveus Cash Hampton 2003 FA 2006 - no jersey # yet?
11 Mike Espy Mississippi R FA 2006 - who?
86 Jimmy Farris Montana 2001 FA 2005 2006 - year in the system...PS - ???
14 Derrick Fenner Maryland R FA 2006 - beast...PS - ???
12 Steven Harris Arkansas 2005 FA 2006 - who?
84 Taylor Jacobs Florida 2003 DR 2003 2007 - wussy, but fast???
85 Brandon Lloyd Illinois 2003 TR 2006
89 Santana Moss Miami 2001 TR 2005 2011
80 David Patten Western Carolina 1997 FA 2005 2009 - 31 yrs old???
82 Antwaan Randle El Indiana 2002 FA 2006 2011
16 Richard Smith Arkansas 2005 FA 2006 - Saunders' boy - NFLE exemption
83 James Thrash - special teams, 31 yrs old???
Ataveus Cash wears #13

I could see Espy and Fenner on the practice squad. They seem to like both of them.

[redwolf1218]

Ataveus Cash wears #13

I could see Espy and Fenner on the practice squad. They seem to like both of them.
are the numbers 11 through 16 valid? the others are in the 80's.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

take your pick...

Ataveus Cash Hampton 2003 FA 2006 - no jersey # yet?
11 Mike Espy Mississippi R FA 2006 - who?
86 Jimmy Farris Montana 2001 FA 2005 2006 - year in the system...PS - ???
14 Derrick Fenner Maryland R FA 2006 - beast...PS - ???
12 Steven Harris Arkansas 2005 FA 2006 - who?
84 Taylor Jacobs Florida 2003 DR 2003 2007 - wussy, but fast???
85 Brandon Lloyd Illinois 2003 TR 2006
89 Santana Moss Miami 2001 TR 2005 2011
80 David Patten Western Carolina 1997 FA 2005 2009 - 31 yrs old???
82 Antwaan Randle El Indiana 2002 FA 2006 2011
16 Richard Smith Arkansas 2005 FA 2006 - Saunders' boy - NFLE exemption
83 James Thrash - special teams, 31 yrs old???

Camp fodder. Thrash is a special teams machine, he's in. That leaves one spot, and Patten's got as close to a lock on it as you can have as a fourth receiver.

[shally]

Camp fodder. Thrash is a special teams machine, he's in. That leaves one spot, and Patten's got as close to a lock on it as you can have as a fourth receiver.

i think i read that espy had a fine camp.. he is smart and tough.. i think he will end up on the ps.. definitely a developmental prospect

[PA Skins Girl]

are the numbers 11 through 16 valid? the others are in the 80's.
They are valid for now anyway. WRs can wear either teens or 80's.

All of our 80's numbers are use up (except 81 of course). 7 by WRs, 2 by TEs.

So, we have 5 WRs on the roster with teens right now. If one makes the active roster and an 80s number comes free, they could switch before the start of the season.