For those thinking Wilkinson is a good idea:

[Rat_Boy]

For those wanting us to sign Dan Wilkinson and acting like he is a savior, I an only muster up one question.

WHY?

1998:

Garrison Hearst: 24 rushes, 138 yards
Ricky Waters: 24 rushes, 136 yards
Terrell Davis: 21 rushes, 119 yards
Emmitt Smith: 28 rushes, 120 yards
Robert Smith: 24 rushes, 103 yards
Adrian Murrell: 23 rushes, 107 yards
Napolean Kaufman: 17 rushes, 152 yards
Terrell Fletcher: 34 rushes, 122 yards
Tim Biakabutuka: 17 rushes, 103 yards

1999:


Emmitt Smith: 23 rushes, 109 yards
Tim Biakabutuka: 12 rushes, 142 yards
Duce Staley: 27 rushes, 110 yards
Charlie Garner: 16 rushes, 129 yards

2000:

Fred Taylor: 22 rushes, 124 yards
Emmitt Smith: 23 rushes, 150 yards
Jerome Bettis: 25 rushes, 104 yards

2001:

LaDainian Tomlinson: 36 rushes, 113 yards
Ahman Green: 25 rushes, 116 yards
Priest Holmes: 23 rushes, 147 yards
Emmitt Smith: 25 rushes, 107 yards
Emmitt Smith: 25 rushes, 102 yards

2002:

Deuce McAllister: 29 rushes, 121 yards
Emmitt Smith: 23 rushes, 144 yards

Now, I didn't include any QB's or any instances where there were two running backs that split carries and had over 50 yards each. And there were PLENTY of those instances as well.

But despite ALL THAT, we want to re-sign this guy because we gave up 70 yards to a VERY GOOD Power Running Back that holds our franchise single season rushing record?

Please.

[Skins57]

Ratty, you act like BD was the only reason for these numbers. This is a defense line problem, he was part of that problem but you can not lay the whole deal on him.

I think it is time we lay the blame somewhere it belongs...the FO. How many times have we needed to address the Dline in hte draft and it is always next year, they don't even try, even as every year it seems to be a problem more and more. I agree Bd may not be hte answer we need but at this point who else is there and I also don't think he is responsible for all of our Defensive line probelms over the years

[Rat_Boy]

57,

Think about this for a second.

Look at the years posted above.

DE's have come and gone. LB's have come and gone. The DT beside BDW has come and gone.

Same results.

The ONLY consistent thing in all those years IS BDW!

While of course I can't blame the run defense on him alone, I CAN with out a doubt say that our run defense has ALWAYS stunk with him in there no matter who was doing the coaching or who was lining up with him.

Just the facts bud.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

Another consistent thing in those years is that we never really made a successful effort to actually build a strong defensive line.

[Shabba]

Originally posted by JoeDaSchmoe
Another consistent thing in those years is that we never really made a successful effort to actually build a strong defensive line.

True dat and I wonder why that is. Our ds line has been awful since back in the Dave Butz era.
This thing has got to change and now.

[Skins57]

That is my point Ratty, Bd was always the man there but he never had anything but journeymen and blown draft picks besides him. I really don't see him coming back so it is a moot point

[LuvSkins17]

Originally posted by Shabba
True dat and I wonder why that is. Our ds line has been awful since back in the Dave Butz era.
This thing has got to change and now.

I have to disagree with yall on this one. When we had Lang, they were boasting about us having 4 first round draft picks on the front line : Bruce, Lang, Big Daddy, and Marco Coleman. We were of course in Nolans system but we did go the the playoffs with Nolan and Norv before we got the new FO and lost Casserly. We just need to play together. I hope we get this problem addressed because it has been a problem for years.

[NCskinsfanatic]

I think as ive stated on a couple of other posts that we shouldve kept him this year and used our first next year to get a strong DT.

We probably wont resign him b/c GB probably will.Plus would he really come back?We do need someone to get cut though.DE isnt exactly budding with super star potential either,but atleast we have proven starter or two.

[baralufficus]

what bothers me is that when he has Pro bowl calibre players next to him , he sucks worse ....I think Gardener was a pro bowler type , and he demanded double teams ...leaving big daddy one on one ....and he only mustered up 17 tackles ???

Come on , that sucks ...Noble posted better stats then that last year with the Pukes ...

i think Big Daddy just lost the desire to play for the Skins anymore ....when you lose that , you lose the edge , and start playing like it ...he might play better somewhere else ...but I think he would not have played any better this year , then last year ...

Bottom Line----he just did not want to be a Skin any longer.....Just like Spurrier said ..."we have to watch and find out who wants to play , and who doesn't"

HTTR~

[soch21]

quick question... can't wynn play tackle???

[Patrick]

Wynn can play tackle (and has played). Good chance we'll see him there again this year. ............. BD, MAN - does he take up alot of time and we as a group have covered all the why's & how comes. Let's clear up one thing though ( and I'm not for or against BD) - Wilkinson played most of last year with a bad wrist. Might not seem like a big thing, but if you've ever played any D-line you know that having a bad wrist really effects your ability to shed blockers and/or getting any PUSH - in fact it damn near impossible. So last year's number for BD are not a ture measurement. 1999 - 2001 OK, you have a point but as stated he was not the only DT on the line during that time.

[Hailyeah]

Originally posted by Rat_Boy
57,

While of course I can't blame the run defense on him alone, I CAN with out a doubt say that our run defense has ALWAYS stunk with him in there no matter who was doing the coaching or who was lining up with him.

Just the facts bud.

I'm not buying this argument as a reason not to resign Bid Daddy. Of the individual rushing stats you throw out, only the 1998 season looks ridiculous. Those late 1990's seasons featured less than stellar linebackers like Patton & Smith as well as our friend Stubblefield next to BD. Stubblefield was the true claim to our pain back then IMO. Any which way we dissect this, we currently need some help at DT.

[SkinsKY]

Originally posted by Rat_Boy
57,

Think about this for a second.

Look at the years posted above.

DE's have come and gone. LB's have come and gone. The DT beside BDW has come and gone.

Same results.

The ONLY consistent thing in all those years IS BDW!

While of course I can't blame the run defense on him alone, I CAN with out a doubt say that our run defense has ALWAYS stunk with him in there no matter who was doing the coaching or who was lining up with him.

Just the facts bud.

I'm not a huge proponent of bringing BD back, but if LBs and DEs have come and gone, and going by the numbers you've posted, there is a general trend of fewer 100 yard game. What's more the last couple have come against legitimate RBs unlike the first couple of years where people like Napolean Kauffman, Biak, and Terrell Fletcher were steamrolling us.

Again, I don't really want BD back, but I wouldn't be upset if he did come back.

[Brokenstriker]

Thoughts ...

yesterday we were trying to find info and background on a virtually not-noteworthy DT name of Cannida ... who got virtually twice the number of tackles and infinitely more sacks than BDW ... playing in roughly half the snaps that BDW had last season (on a team with an inferior defense relative to the Redskins)

lets just remember that "Potential" is something you haven't received ... BDW has pro-bowl potential (not necessarily my opinion) ... means the BDW never delivered pro-bowl potential or at least not recently

injuries may explain why a player can't deliver, but it doesn't change the fact that the player can't deliver it only indicates that if you wait long enough for them to recover they might play better when they are healthy ... injured wrist ... well I am sincerely impressed that he toughed it out ... but older tends to mean more likely to be injured ... (see my prediction that Stephan Davis doesn't play more than 12 games this season)

how much of the salary cap do you want to invest in a DT who averaged less than 2 tackles a game and 0 sacks as a regular starter ... who has been injured and is on the down hill side of an NFL lifetime?

[Spence]

It's fine with me if the Skins re-sign Wilkenson, but we shouldn't fool ourselves into believing he is going to solve our problems on the defensive line. He never has. He never will.

[PennSkinsFan]

Cannida is a band aid to a deep wound problem. The wound shoudl have been fixe dint he off-season and the position reminds me much of the interior of the OLine that was neglected last season.

Ratty---The numbers you presented are telling of an overall problem. For RBs to be gaining those kind of yards, maybe our Lbs are nto as good as we believe either. Fact is, many of those runners gained the big yards to the outside. I think it reflects the whole run defense, not Big daddy. That being said, 17 tackles in the middle in 17 games is pathetic and no way he shoudl get $3.5 mil a year for that.

[TexSkin]

Does the D-line troubles remind anyone of last years o-line troubles? Where we waited until it was too late to fix a big hole in the team.

[Hailyeah]

Originally posted by TexSkin
Does the D-line troubles remind anyone of last years o-line troubles? Where we waited until it was too late to fix a big hole in the team.

Yes.

[BOBDIGS]

I am not totally agreeing with Rat because stats don't stand for everything...Basically my take on it is that BD was a disease to our defense and I will give you a few good reasons why...


1. He came to camp Overweight and out of shape every year.
2. He missed voluntary workouts both this year and last, now I can understand this year, but last year we had a new system/new head coach and going to the voluntary workouts could have done nothing but benefit from them.
3. We offered him a great package to restructure, he knew the defense and could have contributed, he was all about the money, didn't care about the team, now he is going to go somewhere and not even make 1 million this year.

Many people say he lost all this weight this year and he was in great shape...I went to training camp before he was cut and I have seen pics of him, he is still overweight and if he lost pounds it was not enough for him to make a difference.