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[jsarno]

First off, Ramsey played in 9 games last year, of those 9 games the skins lost 6 of them. (not a good ratio) But in his defense, two of those games he threw for no yards but threw an INT in both.
In the Skins losses, Ramsey averaged only 145.33 yards per game, but in the wins averaged 222.33 yards per game. (similar to mr. pennington). Also in the wins, he's threw for 4 tds and only 2 int's, while in the losses he's thrown 5 tds and 6int's. (one game vs Phily he had 3 tds and no int's with 213 passing yards to pad these stats.)
This is the most important stat, and one that concerns me. Only 51.3% of his passes were completed. That's pathetic. He needs to improve on his % and I'm sure his INT's will go down.
I'm sure he'll do better this year since his WR corp is better. But as the Ramsey goes,so do the skins. And thus far, my confidence level is a bit shakey.

[hail2skins]

Well, his completion percentage doesn't take drop balls into account either as you all witnessed the drops last week. Good info though, thanks.

[Spence]

As you noted, two of those interceptions were last second tosses down the field. Ramsey was called in to perform that duty because Matthews and Wuerffel didn't have the arms to do it. I don't count those.

I thought Ramsey had a good TD/Interception ratio, aside from one awful performance against the Saints. His completion percentage was intolerably low, but he needs wideouts that get some separation from the defense. Ramsey's problem has been accuracy.

[LuvSkins17]

I still remember how it was last preseason seeing Danny W. and Shane M. throwing and then seeing Ramsey come in a throw. I was like "Damn he has got a rocket launcher!":eek: . I am hoping that the coach is taking the time to help Ramsey to get better. I really like the kid. We just need to come out and play like we care. Seems like the only ones who cared was the rookie rb McCullugh and Ramsey.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

I really don't think the stats on Ramsey tell the right story, just like his numbers against Carolina are horribly skewed because of the drops.

[Skinsfan1906]

Pass Protection was an issue also. How many times was he "Rushed" into throwing passes?

[jporterweb]

Originally posted by JoeDaSchmoe
I really don't think the stats on Ramsey tell the right story, just like his numbers against Carolina are horribly skewed because of the drops.

My sentiments exactly. You gotta remember these things,
1. He held out for part of TC.
2. Many times he was stuffed into the middle of a game when things were already bad, they had no momentum, and the other QBs had already been horrible
3. He WAS A ROOKIE!
4. He didn't have the offseason training he has had this year.
5. He was looking over his shoulder for Woefull and Pain on every throw.

I think he has matured well beyond his years this offseason. I also think, that he will do loads better with his new speed and talent.

[dj_stouty]

Originally posted by Spence
As you noted, two of those interceptions were last second tosses down the field. Ramsey was called in to perform that duty because Matthews and Wuerffel didn't have the arms to do it. I don't count those.

I'm glad you brought that up. Spurrier simply pulled Patrick off the bench to make those "high INT percentage" passes.

AND STILL, he had more TDs than INTs! Lets see Carr, Harrington or Palmer do that anytime in the next few years!

[TexSkin]

I expect good things from Ram this year...the D-line is what I am worried about.

[Hailyeah]

I'm a big Ram fan. I'm willing to accept mistakes that he makes this season as 'growing pains'. At the QB position, you've gotta look long term. He has all the mental and physical tools to be rock solid. The team fairing as he fairs is acceptable to me.

The team going only as far as our suspect backs or D line can take us is another story. There is not as much upside with those spots and therefore far less hope of future improvements.

[jsarno]

Originally posted by TexSkin
I expect good things from Ram this year...the D-line is what I am worried about.

I'm worried about it as well. Hopefully it will hold it's own and let the linebackers do the grunt work.

About Ramsey though, in regards to rookies, mistakes will be made constantly and you just have to live with that. His int's and fumbles (especially that horrific game vs the Saints) can be forgiven and forgotten, but a true calculator of possible talent would be his comp. %, and it's too low for comfort.
It is worth noting that in his last 4 games (going 2-2) he passed for 816 yards (204 average) with 6 tds and 2 ints. Average that out over an entire season and that's 3264 yards (a bit low for what ramsey should do in this offense, but not bad) with 24tds and 8 picks. Those are very respectable numbers.

Just because he has a gun doesn't mean he'll be a good qb. (don't forget, chad hutchinson can throw in the 90's) I hope he doesn't burn us!!!!! We need him to act like a verteran this year!

[hail2skins]

I'm with you Hailyeah. If only SS would have lived with those growing pains last season.

[jsarno]

so I'm assuming every one truly believes that Ramsey is ready to do it all this year?

[hail2skins]

I believe he'll have some growing pains but I think he'll fair okay for us. He won't do it all but he'll do enough.

[jsarno]

If he "won't do it" will we have enough running game to get away with it???

What are you expecting from Ramsey this year?

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

even in his worst game against the saints, i dont remember all those INTs being his fault. i remember gardner tipping a pass up that got intercepted. other occured when he was hit under pressure. if the O line becomes the line we think and hopw it will be, Ramsey will have a very good year, although i expect him to struggle in his share of games.

[hail2skins]

Originally posted by jsarno
If he "won't do it" will we have enough running game to get away with it???

What are you expecting from Ramsey this year?

I'm expecting him to make some good decisions (reading and reacting to defenses)
I'm expecting him to make some bad decisions
I'm expecting him to have some good games
I'm expecting him to have some bad games
I'm expecting him to bounce back after bad games
I'm expecting him to make some dumb plays
I'm expecting him to overcome those dumb plays

He's still a first year QB in my mind but I believe he can get the job done. He doesn't have to be great to do that IMO.

[jsarno]

hope he's good enough to get us 10 wins.

[PennSkinsFan]

Originally posted by hail2skins
I'm expecting him to make some good decisions (reading and reacting to defenses)
I'm expecting him to make some bad decisions
I'm expecting him to have some good games
I'm expecting him to have some bad games
I'm expecting him to bounce back after bad games
I'm expecting him to make some dumb plays
I'm expecting him to overcome those dumb plays

He's still a first year QB in my mind but I believe he can get the job done. He doesn't have to be great to do that IMO.

Your right Mike. Many of us have sounded that warning. Anyone that expects Ram to come out and perfrom as a Pro Bowl QB right away is simply not looking at the reality of this situation. ram HAS the potential to be a Pro Bowler at some point. Ram HAS the ptoential to lead this team to playoffs and maybe some day a SuperBowl or two. BUT Ram is also youbng, has only played five games and still, with only five games under his belt, plus the pressure of leading the nations's capital team, he is gonna make bonehead throws, dumb plays, and mistakes will be made. Question becomes, how quickly does he learn and not repeat the same mistakes.

[jsarno]

Originally posted by PennSkinsFan
Anyone that expects Ram to come out and perfrom as a Pro Bowl QB right away is simply not looking at the reality of this situation.

I'm glad you mentioned that.

It just seems as if we (redskins fans) lift Ramsey up to be a super stud right now.
I personally don't have a ton of faith in him (I have some) and I don't expect to see him turn into a hall of famer like others have suggested.

[hail2skins]

I think alot of what people are saying is based on the potential they see in him and the fact that he's a smart kid.

[Spence]

With the players he has around him now, Ramsey will develop into a good player sooner than most QBs would. [Assuming he has good luck with his health.] I just hope the defense gives him enough help so he doesn't feel he has to score a TD on every drive.

[Spearfeather]

As Ladynredskinfan said, I beleive it almost all has to do with the O - Line. If Ramseys rushed, he'll be more prone to making the mistakes that relatively inexperienced QB's make. If he's given time, he will slice up a lot of Defenses.

[IowaSkinsFan]

I personally will be looking at Ramsey at about weeks 8-10 to see what progress he has made since week 1 and to get an idea for what kind of QB he is going to be for the rest of the year. By that time, he will be through the difficult part of the schedule and have the equivalent of 1 year of PT under his belt.

Of course at that same time, we will have a better indication on what is going to happen to the team as a whole, but if RAM is making the same mistakes he makes in the first 3-4 games (and he will make them) then that will make for a long season IMO.

[Skinzaholic]

Judging the payhecks of our prominent team leaders (ie. Champ and Lavar) do we REALLY want Ramsey to turn into a Pro-Bowler overnight?

Perhaps a slow learning period would be beneficial int he long run for the team. (Just not so slow that we lose...)


That is what I want... him to do welland get us a decent season... but not so well that he gets the power to dictate a huge contract.

[PennSkinsFan]

I am going to be looking at the on field relationships he develops. We hear alot of talk of this relationshi[p growing between Ram and Coles, but what about Gardner. I also remember that relationship growing last season at the end. It will be interesting to see as well how Ramsey and Jacobs grow together, both young, and both obviously being counted on heavily in the future.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

Originally posted by Skinzaholic
Judging the payhecks of our prominent team leaders (ie. Champ and Lavar) do we REALLY want Ramsey to turn into a Pro-Bowler overnight?

Perhaps a slow learning period would be beneficial int he long run for the team. (Just not so slow that we lose...)


That is what I want... him to do welland get us a decent season... but not so well that he gets the power to dictate a huge contract.

How long is the contract he's currently on?

[Brokenstriker]

Originally posted by jsarno
First off, Ramsey played in 9 games last year, of those 9 games the skins lost 6 of them. (not a good ratio) But in his defense, two of those games he threw for no yards but threw an INT in both.
In the Skins losses, Ramsey averaged only 145.33 yards per game, but in the wins averaged 222.33 yards per game. (similar to mr. pennington). Also in the wins, he's threw for 4 tds and only 2 int's, while in the losses he's thrown 5 tds and 6int's. (one game vs Phily he had 3 tds and no int's with 213 passing yards to pad these stats.)
This is the most important stat, and one that concerns me. Only 51.3% of his passes were completed. That's pathetic. He needs to improve on his % and I'm sure his INT's will go down.
I'm sure he'll do better this year since his WR corp is better. But as the Ramsey goes,so do the skins. And thus far, my confidence level is a bit shakey.

let me suggest you compare this rookie's performance to other rookie QBs ... if memory serves me Troy Aikman lit up the universe with interceptions ... and I think Ramsey has a higher rating than the two first rounders taken before him ...

you need to manage your expectations, rookies are rookies, and he had to stand and watch not one starter take snaps and reps ... but essentially two starters last season .... at the same time ... so all things considered I think Ramsey have given sufficient indications of his abilities to expect him to be a very good NFL QB, not assure that he will be just support expecting him to be

[PennSkinsFan]

Originally posted by Brokenstriker
let me suggest you compare this rookie's performance to other rookie QBs ... if memory serves me Troy Aikman lit up the universe with interceptions ... and I think Ramsey has a higher rating than the two first rounders taken before him ...

you need to manage your expectations, rookies are rookies, and he had to stand and watch not one starter take snaps and reps ... but essentially two starters last season .... at the same time ... so all things considered I think Ramsey have given sufficient indications of his abilities to expect him to be a very good NFL QB, not assure that he will be just support expecting him to be

No to mention i think of all positions, QB is the hardest position for a rookie to step in, you are basically in control of the success and failures and the entire offense. Any other position, there is ample time to learn, but at QB, when you put your bucks on a young QB, you have to take the bumps and bruises with the successes and positives.

[Skaggsrules]

I don't care what Ramsey's numbers are, the only stat i care about will be wins.

[jsarno]

Originally posted by Brokenstriker
let me suggest you compare this rookie's performance to other rookie QBs ... if memory serves me Troy Aikman lit up the universe with interceptions ... and I think Ramsey has a higher rating than the two first rounders taken before him ...


Problem with that is Ramsey has the best situation. Harrington etc were all thrusted into TERRIBLE teams. The Redskins had an average team last year.
Even Aikman's first season was 1-15. He had nothing to work with.
So we can't compare him to other rookies. We have "indictor" numbers that are watched such as comp % and td - int ratio. Thus far Ramsey has not been impressive.

I will say, that I thought he did very well scrambling out of the pocket last season. Time is a great luxury for qb's, hell it made the terrible Rypien an immortal. My point is not to say that Ramsey will suck. I think he has talent to be a good qb, my point is to say I think we redskins fans think too highly of him.