Best in the NFC East: STRONG SAFETY

[PennSkinsFan]

Wait for the poll.

[CNYSkinFan]

I am going to do a homer vote for Arch. Some will vote for Roy and that is fine, but I think he is more of a LBer then a safety and is exposed ion coverage often enough to give Arch the edge.

[chrisbcbu]

As of right now, it has to be Roy Williams. Maybe after this season Arch can be considered up there as well, but i dont see him in the same class as Roy(yet!!)

[hockeygoalie29]

I am going to do a homer vote for Arch. Some will vote for Roy and that is fine, but I think he is more of a LBer then a safety and is exposed ion coverage often enough to give Arch the edge.

I think both of these guys are very similar players, great at stopping the run and laying a big hit, but struggle in pass coverage. I'm going to give the edge to Williams.

[smoak]

CNY, say it isn't so!! Roy (and probably even Lewis) is better than Arch. Yes, Roy is weak in coverage, but guess what, so is Adam Archuletta. In fact, I'd say Williams is better than Arch in coverage.

Archuletta has three career INT. THREE!!!?? Williams gets three a year. Williams gets more tackles and forces/recovers more fumbles. Like it or not, Williams takes players out of their game.

I believe Roy Williams is a dirty player. I believe he is a jerk. I believe he can (and was) exposed. I also believe he is the best SS in the league. My list looks like this:

Williams
Lewis
Arch
Wilson


I would like to add that while I think we overpaid for a good but overrated Archuletta, I believe that Williams can use Arch in such a way that he might be a Pro Bowler and become the best SS in the East. Arch is good coming on the blitz and I think he could lead this team in sacks in '06. But I just can't vote on potential.

[redskin_rich]

Smoak has it right, Williams is the best followed by Lewis, who is very underrated. Arch isn't even close yet, though I believe he will be. Voting for him now is homerism at the most ridiculous level.

[AGibbsGirl]

What? No Matt Bowen :D

it's a joke people.....

[Ibleedburgundy]

Roy Williams is one of my least favorite players in the NFL. I hope he gets an interception and then gets horse-collared by an offensive lineman.

That said, he is probably the best ss in the NFC East although Greg Lewis has the best coverage skills IMO.

[smoak]

Smoak has it right, Williams is the best followed by Lewis, who is very underrated. Arch isn't even close yet, though I believe he will be. Voting for him now is homerism at the most ridiculous level.

See, I never felt Lewis was underrated, but I think that is b/c I live near Philly and any Iggle who even makes one play in his life is touted as "the greatest ever". Honestly, you'd think Lewis was the second greatest S in the league behind Dawkins....

Which by the way, now that I think about it, FS will be a very interesting vote. I'm looking forward to that b/c I even considered Dawk the best S in the league in his prime... but he has lost a little luster. I need to to think about this one now b/c it is a tough call.

[Keino]

I think both of these guys are very similar players, great at stopping the run and laying a big hit, but struggle in pass coverage. I'm going to give the edge to Williams.

Thats how I voted as well.

[bgforever]

I took Archuletta as well, because I saw a near tie with Roy Williams, but also feel Archuletta will up his game with Gray as his coach. I think you all will see Arch making more big plays and yes, getting more INTs. With the Rams, he was counted on to make more things happen and it was easy think he was always out of position.

Patience :)

[redskin_rich]

See, I never felt Lewis was underrated, but I think that is b/c I live near Philly and any Iggle who even makes one play in his life is touted as "the greatest ever". Honestly, you'd think Lewis was the second greatest S in the league behind Dawkins....

Which by the way, now that I think about it, FS will be a very interesting vote. I'm looking forward to that b/c I even considered Dawk the best S in the league in his prime... but he has lost a little luster. I need to to think about this one now b/c it is a tough call.
The Philly fans love Lewis but I think he gets overshadowed by Dawkins from the perspective of the rest of the fans around the league. Similar to Jansen and Samuels here.

I'll save my comments on FS for when we vote on it.

[akhhorus]

Lewis. Williams gets burned WAY too much on the deep ball and Lewis is as good at run support.

[smoak]

Lewis. Williams gets burned WAY too much on the deep ball and Lewis is as good at run support.

Out of curiosity, how would you rank the four?

[CNYSkinFan]

Hey I admitted it was a homer vote....but I think at the end of the season it will play out the way I voted.

[AUSTINTXREDSKIN]

Last year total defense # = tackles, assists, sacks, fum rec
Roy = 81 Arch = 70 Lewis = 107
From stats alone it looks like Lewis wins but Arch did lead in Sacks with 3.5 and was on the team with the worst defense.

[AUSTINTXREDSKIN]

I take it back Wilson had a total of 112. Maybe this is a bad way to evaluate.

[RedskinRyan]

i voted roy williams, not because he gets the most attention, but the most respect. lets face it, he's a feared hitter. but that being said, his coverage skills are lacking some, although many make the same case with archuleta. let gibril wilson play another year or 2 and establish himself as someone to take note of, and michael lewis is a solid safety, but he is not a great player.

[Spence]

Michael Lewis.

[PennSkinsFan]

Roy Williams

[Skinz4lyfe]

Lewis. IMO, he's the most complete safety in this bunch. I hate to disappoint most of you but Arch is not that good in coverage either. He's marginally better than Roy Williams in coverage. He's best utilized close to the line of scrimmage.

[MONK_in_HOF]

I know this won't be a popular selection but... I think that Lewis is the best player on that list. I hope Archuleta proves me wrong.

[Meatsnack]

Lewis is the most complete right now and gets my vote.

Arch gets too little credit for his coverage skills. He wasn't asked to do it a lot in St. Louis. He is fast and studies his film and can bend. He does pretty well in coverage. How he will do in the East remains to be seen. I am heartened that he was GWs target for this off-season, GW is batting pretty well on defensive FAs so far.

Williams was the best college safety. If he lost 15# he might be the best pro. At 230#+ he is limited.

Wilson has a lot of potential and could be the best in a year or two. but not today.

[danny's stogie]

It's a great class of SSs; a case can be made for any of them.

I went with Gibril Wilson. He had a monster season last year and he had absolutely no one to help him in the secondary. By the end of the season he was the only player worth mentioning in their entire back 7. Lewis has put together a string of fine seasons, but he is aided exponentially by the talent around him and the system he's in. Williams is great, but can look downright dreadful at times. He looked like a lost puppy the year he lost Woodson's support. I think AA is clearly behind the other 3.

[Scotty Moyer]

I voted against dallas just for spite. Roy is good and fun to watch, but he plays for the girls so he loses to Adam.:flower1:

[akhhorus]

Out of curiosity, how would you rank the four?

Lewis, Williams, Arch, Wilson.

[LATrueRedskin]

I said Roy Williams, but I like Michael Lewis and I'm intrigued by Adam Archuleta. I think Adam will fit in well in our system.

[whitskins]

I voted for Roy, yes he gets exposed but he makes a lot of big plays too.

I think Archuleta will be a perfect fit for our defense, I'm really looking forward to him plugging up the run and rushing the QB. He's going to have his best years for us.

[S.Taylor36]

I hated voting for Roy Williams but he's the best out of this group.

[DUCKIN_TACKLERS]

I went Lewis because i feel he outplayed Williams last year and i see that trend continueing. Williams is a close second. Arch is third but not a bad third on this list. Wilson is Fairly good but not great IMO.

Lewis i think will really develop into the marquee guy in Philly, Even better then Dawkins.

[schmitty199]

I am going to do a homer vote for Arch. Some will vote for Roy and that is fine, but I think he is more of a LBer then a safety and is exposed ion coverage often enough to give Arch the edge.


man i respect your opinion but your making a fool out of yourself rightnow.... its roy williams and not even close.

[schmitty199]

CNY, say it isn't so!! Roy (and probably even Lewis) is better than Arch. Yes, Roy is weak in coverage, but guess what, so is Adam Archuletta. In fact, I'd say Williams is better than Arch in coverage.

Archuletta has three career INT. THREE!!!?? Williams gets three a year. Williams gets more tackles and forces/recovers more fumbles. Like it or not, Williams takes players out of their game.

I believe Roy Williams is a dirty player. I believe he is a jerk. I believe he can (and was) exposed. I also believe he is the best SS in the league. My list looks like this:

Williams
Lewis
Arch
Wilson


I would like to add that while I think we overpaid for a good but overrated Archuletta, I believe that Williams can use Arch in such a way that he might be a Pro Bowler and become the best SS in the East. Arch is good coming on the blitz and I think he could lead this team in sacks in '06. But I just can't vote on potential.


I agree with your opinion on this and i can see a case for roys horsecollars being dirty...... the man doesnt intentinally hurt anyone tho. But i suppose thats debateable. But whats not debateable is hes not a jerk. Hes a great human being. He just won a award for it matter a fact. He's been a class act during his entire nfl career.

[guinness4health]

went with lewis.... right now he is the most complete of the group, although I am hoping that Arch will have a great year and take my vote next year....

and I am sorry but Roy Williams is a one trick pony, who should not will this poll

[BigPlayJay]

Has to be Williams as of right now. Give Arch a year and maybe he wins this next season. Despite Williams blown coverages against Santana, he's a beast most of the time especially on blitzes.

[skins111111]

couldn't vote for Roy even though blah blah blah........Arch could be the man anyway

[X-Factor13]

i honestly think it's michael lewis. he's fast, hits hard, and wasn't burned twice on the same play on any occasion. He's definitley the most underrated saefty in the league and i can't believe that he's losing this poll to arch. bunch'a homers!

[bgforever]

I agree, homerism is the culprit. I am guilty and admit it. The truth is the seperation of each player is not by much. Lewis, true, better overall game than all. Williams is peaking and he's still able to make offenses work for their production, as was the case in the first Dallas game, we weren't really doing anything and to say we had near misses on passes before Moss lit it up, is no more than what other teams say. So yes Williams would have likely been #2.

I took Archuletta, because like Marcus Washington, he was a player with an UP game on a team struggling in that department (DEFENSE). In Indy MW was a light in a dark world. Archuletta was the same. Watch and see.

[helimech24]

In the division, I can't believe that Roy is winning. He is a linebacker that is in a safety position. He is a horrible cover guy. AA at least can stay with most #3 WRs in the league.

[smoak]

I agree with your opinion on this and i can see a case for roys horsecollars being dirty...... the man doesnt intentinally hurt anyone tho. But i suppose thats debateable. But whats not debateable is hes not a jerk. Hes a great human being. He just won a award for it matter a fact. He's been a class act during his entire nfl career.

I meant a jerk on the field as I have no clue whjat he is like on the field. Nobody could convince me that he doesn't attempt to injure other players. He basically threatened to injure Moss after being embarrassed on national TV.

[schmitty199]

In the division, I can't believe that Roy is winning. He is a linebacker that is in a safety position. He is a horrible cover guy. AA at least can stay with most #3 WRs in the league.


dude.... roy isnt near as bad in coverage as most of you like to believe. A big play here and there and you all think hes awful all the time. Its just not true. Hes actually all around decent nothing special but decent..... now arch thats a guy whos actually bad in coverage.... 3 career picks? LOL

[helimech24]

dude.... roy isnt near as bad in coverage as most of you like to believe. A big play here and there and you all think hes awful all the time. Its just not true. Hes actually all around decent nothing special but decent..... now arch thats a guy whos actually bad in coverage.... 3 career picks? LOLAA is only been in a year longer than Roy, but for being an enforcer near the line of scrimmage, he only has 6.5 sacks compared to 15 that AA has. And the big problem that Williams has is the big plays were he gets burned. AA isn't used as much in coverage, unless it is a TE. Otherwise, AA is around the the line as another LB.

[Axegrinder]

My preseason vote is for Williams,although I look forward to seeing Arch in our scheme.

[ChiefPowhatan17]

Archuleta, Roy WIlliams is way overrated

[Hr fan]

I took Archuletta as well, because I saw a near tie with Roy Williams, but also feel Archuletta will up his game with Gray as his coach. I think you all will see Arch making more big plays and yes, getting more INTs. With the Rams, he was counted on to make more things happen and it was easy think he was always out of position.

Patience :)

Agree with this. Stat-wise Williams wins, but Archuletta was on a team headed by a coach (Martz) who despised defense. Also, I feel that Arch is the better pass rusher. Both are big play types, and I think GW will really change perceptions of Arch. Remember that, when he interviewed, he studied the playbook with Williams before going to Chicago and then opting for the 'Skins. He sees that GWs D fits him the best.

[Hr fan]

i honestly think it's michael lewis. he's fast, hits hard, and wasn't burned twice on the same play on any occasion. He's definitley the most underrated saefty in the league and i can't believe that he's losing this poll to arch. bunch'a homers!

Depends on the scheme and what the SS is expected to do. If it is cover then Lewis. If it is close to the line then Roy or Arch. What makes homers is close enough competition to allow the rose colored glasses to work. When it is close I look at the D coordinator. Johnson is really good with superior talent, but look what happened when Corey Simon left (similar to when Griffin went down). I think that GW gets more out of less consistently, and this will favor a cerebral player like Arch or Lewis, but not necessarily a Williams. Still, it is close enough for homerism, with the weakest argument being for Arch, who is a projection in the D. The other two have experience in their Ds. Yet IMO Arch has shown superior blitzing in a weak D, and GW is a genius at blitzes.

[rskinsfan10]

I'll go outside the box somewhat and vote for Lewis. I think that Williams is the most overrated player in the NFL today.

[santanadasavior]

Roy Williams cannot cover and he is overrated at best.

Adam Archuleta is in a new system with more help, he cannot get my vote until I see him play.

I went with Michael Lewis because of his surroundings and his experience in the position.