Scout.com: Redskins Final Roster Predictions

[skins lady]

http://redskins.scout.com/2/550683.html

Some players to note:

They list Cartwright as a FB. I guess they did this to make room for Jesse Lumsden. They also list us as holding 3 FB's on the team.
Jason Campbell is currently listed as the #2 on their roster.
No Taylor Jacobs.
David Lonie makes the team over Derrick Frost.
Nemo gets sent to the practice squad while Manuel White, Jr. is kept on team.
LB's McCune and Simon also get a spot on the practice squad.

So what do you all think of their predictions?

[helimech24]

http://redskins.scout.com/2/550683.html

Some players to note:

They list Cartwright as a FB. I guess they did this to make room for Jesse Lumsden. They also list us as holding 3 FB's on the team.
Jason Campbell is currently listed as the #2 on their roster.
No Taylor Jacobs.
David Lonie makes the team over Derrick Frost.
Nemo gets sent to the practice squad while Manuel White, Jr. is kept on team.
LB's McCune and Simon also get a spot on the practice squad.

So what do you all think of their predictions?Sounds good to me. I think Cartwright is a little too small to be a FB, but who knows. Campbell should have the edge over Collins with the talent he is suppose to have. Just about anyone is better than Frost. I think the Nemo and White situation is a toss up. Thank god that Jacobs is gone.

[Keino]

Problem is that Nemo is not elligible for the Practice Squad.

[helimech24]

Problem is that Nemo is not elligible for the Practice Squad.Why not?

[colkurtz]

I wonder if Rock will bulk up [like in 2004] this season, since he is going to the FB role.

I can't see why they would have 3 FBs. It will be just two.

White vs. Nemo - it will all come to the pre-season / TC. Who stays healthy?

Agree with Lonie over Frost. Frost causes me to get hives and a dry coughing spell everytime he kicks.

Jacobs is still on the team? LOL. He is so gone, he'll be lucky to even make it through TC to the pre-season.

[CNYSkinFan]

yeah and he had like 3 of our draft choices going to the practice squad also. Zeke over Lofuto? ^RBs instead of 9 DL?

Robert Large's first prediction last year was pretty far off as well of course it is all a crap shoot until TC starts.

[OCSkinzFan]

http://redskins.scout.com/2/550683.html

Some players to note:

They list Cartwright as a FB. I guess they did this to make room for Jesse Lumsden. They also list us as holding 3 FB's on the team.
Jason Campbell is currently listed as the #2 on their roster.
No Taylor Jacobs.
David Lonie makes the team over Derrick Frost.
Nemo gets sent to the practice squad while Manuel White, Jr. is kept on team.
LB's McCune and Simon also get a spot on the practice squad.

So what do you all think of their predictions?
Right now on the Redskins site, Rock is listed as a RB. So Robert Large is really saying that we'll keep 4 RB and 2 FB, which is not likely. Of course if you consider Rock a sort of hybrid RB/pass catching FB (as he was listed at FB earlier this year) then maybe.

But then again this is all just conjecture; none of us have been attending practice- or broke down film of practice with the playbook. We all need to wait and see who does great in preseason, who sucks, and who gets hurt (or stashed on the IR). Hard to wait though.

[HanburgerBum]

yeah and he had like 3 of our draft choices going to the practice squad also. Zeke over Lofuto? ^RBs instead of 9 DL?

Robert Large's first prediction last year was pretty far off as well of course it is all a crap shoot until TC starts.


If Large is way off, that means I will be way off. I am not saying he copied my roster projection (I posted mine about a week ago), but his and mine differ on only 2 players.

He has Nudwke, while I have Alston. And he has Chris Clemons, while I have Simon. Even our breakdowns as to the number of players at each position are identical. Great minds think alike (just kidding).

But, CNY is probably right, TC with its surprises and injuries will have a huge impact on the final opening day roster.

[FanFromArizona]

If Large is way off, that means I will be way off. I am not saying he copied my roster projection (I posted mine about a week ago), but his and mine differ on only 2 players.


But, CNY is probably right, TC with its surprises and injuries will have a huge impact on the final opening day roster.

If you think about it, there are not many roster spots that are questionable at this point.

If I can count, of the 53 spots, we have the following "locks":

QB: Brunell, Campbell, Collins [3]
RB/FB: Portis, Betts, Sellers [3]
TE: Cooley, Fauria [2]
WR: Moss, Randel El, Lloyd [3]
OL: Samuels, Dockery, Rabach, Thomas, Jansen [5] Total: 16

DL: Andre Carter, Renaldo Wynn, Corny Griffin, Joe Salave'a, Phillip Daniels [5]
LB: Marcus Washington, Lemar Marshall, Rocky McIntosh [3]
CB: Springs, Rogers [2]
S: Taylor, Archuletta, Doughty, Prioleau [4] Total: 14

Special Teams: Ethan Albright [1]

We have already accounted for 31 spots that will have no competition whatsoever. Leaving a grand total of 22 open for competition. And I have not even done the most likely group[see below].

Injuries will need to be accounted for, and the spots left up to discretion will come down to versatility and special teams play.

The prediction part really comes down to who is fighting to make the team to play in a backup role. I have included 2 rookies in the 31 because there is no way we will let Rocky and Doughty go because of lack of sheer numbers back there at safety and because Rocky is our first pick.

Of the 22, these are the roles being fought for[and what the predictions are REALLY targeted]:

Punter: Frost vs Lonie [1]
Kicker: Hall vs Jones [1]
Backup RB/FB: Cartwright, White, Nemo, Combs, Carter, Lumsden [3]
WR: #4 and #5: Patten, Thrash, Jacobs, etc[2]
#3 TE: Johnson, Ortega [1]
Backup OL: Backup depth [Let's say 3, could be 4]
DL: Evans, N Clemons, Montgomery, Kolston, Killings, Boschetti, Brown [Let's say 3]
CB: Nickel and dime packages: Wright, Jimoh, Morton, Patterson [3]
LB: Holdman, C Clemons, Havner, McCune, K Campbell, Simon [3-5]

And there is your 22, gone just like that. And take your eligible leftovers and place them on the Practice Squad.

[helimech24]

If you think about it, there are not many roster spots that are questionable at this point.

If I can count, of the 53 spots, we have the following "locks":

QB: Brunell, Campbell, Collins [3]
RB/FB: Portis, Betts, Sellers [3]
TE: Cooley, Fauria [2]
WR: Moss, Randel El, Lloyd [3]
OL: Samuels, Dockery, Rabach, Thomas, Jansen [5] Total: 16

DL: Andre Carter, Renaldo Wynn, Corny Griffin, Joe Salave'a, Phillip Daniels [5]
LB: Marcus Washington, Lemar Marshall, Rocky McIntosh [3]
CB: Springs, Rogers [2]
S: Taylor, Archuletta, Doughty, Prioleau [4] Total: 14

Special Teams: Ethan Albright [1]

We have already accounted for 31 spots that will have no competition whatsoever. Leaving a grand total of 22 open for competition. And I have not even done the most likely group[see below].

Injuries will need to be accounted for, and the spots left up to discretion will come down to versatility and special teams play.

The prediction part really comes down to who is fighting to make the team to play in a backup role. I have included 2 rookies in the 31 because there is no way we will let Rocky and Doughty go because of lack of sheer numbers back there at safety and because Rocky is our first pick.

Of the 22, these are the roles being fought for[and what the predictions are REALLY targeted]:

Punter: Frost vs Lonie [1]
Kicker: Hall vs Jones [1]
Backup RB/FB: Cartwright, White, Nemo, Combs, Carter, Lumsden [3]
WR: #4 and #5: Patten, Thrash, Jacobs, etc[2]
#3 TE: Johnson, Ortega [1]
Backup OL: Backup depth [Let's say 3, could be 4]
DL: Evans, N Clemons, Montgomery, Kolston, Killings, Boschetti, Brown [Let's say 3]
CB: Nickel and dime packages: Wright, Jimoh, Morton, Patterson [3]
LB: Holdman, C Clemons, Havner, McCune, K Campbell, Simon [3-5]

And there is your 22, gone just like that. And take your eligible leftovers and place them on the Practice Squad.Good Breakdown FFA. I would like to see Clemons and Killings to stay on the team to sub in. I like the pass rush both provided last year.

[BurgundyNGold]

http://redskins.scout.com/2/550683.html

Some players to note:

They list Cartwright as a FB. I guess they did this to make room for Jesse Lumsden. They also list us as holding 3 FB's on the team.
Jason Campbell is currently listed as the #2 on their roster.
No Taylor Jacobs.
David Lonie makes the team over Derrick Frost.
Nemo gets sent to the practice squad while Manuel White, Jr. is kept on team.
LB's McCune and Simon also get a spot on the practice squad.

So what do you all think of their predictions?
I am VERY interested to see what this kid can do. I see him and all I can think is "We could've had Chris Canty".

[DCGreys]

I think McCune, Simon, and Lefotu are key new young players

[Jayman]

I have a gut feeling that Kevin Simon makes the starting 53 man roster. When you look at his history this guy can really play. If it was not for all the injuries he would have been at least a 2ed round pick.

[HanburgerBum]

If you think about it, there are not many roster spots that are questionable at this point.

If I can count, of the 53 spots, we have the following "locks":

QB: Brunell, Campbell, Collins [3]
RB/FB: Portis, Betts, Sellers [3]
TE: Cooley, Fauria [2]
WR: Moss, Randel El, Lloyd [3]
OL: Samuels, Dockery, Rabach, Thomas, Jansen [5] Total: 16

DL: Andre Carter, Renaldo Wynn, Corny Griffin, Joe Salave'a, Phillip Daniels [5]
LB: Marcus Washington, Lemar Marshall, Rocky McIntosh [3]
CB: Springs, Rogers [2]
S: Taylor, Archuletta, Doughty, Prioleau [4] Total: 14

Special Teams: Ethan Albright [1]

We have already accounted for 31 spots that will have no competition whatsoever. Leaving a grand total of 22 open for competition. And I have not even done the most likely group[see below].

Injuries will need to be accounted for, and the spots left up to discretion will come down to versatility and special teams play.

The prediction part really comes down to who is fighting to make the team to play in a backup role. I have included 2 rookies in the 31 because there is no way we will let Rocky and Doughty go because of lack of sheer numbers back there at safety and because Rocky is our first pick.

Of the 22, these are the roles being fought for[and what the predictions are REALLY targeted]:

Punter: Frost vs Lonie [1]
Kicker: Hall vs Jones [1]
Backup RB/FB: Cartwright, White, Nemo, Combs, Carter, Lumsden [3]
WR: #4 and #5: Patten, Thrash, Jacobs, etc[2]
#3 TE: Johnson, Ortega [1]
Backup OL: Backup depth [Let's say 3, could be 4]
DL: Evans, N Clemons, Montgomery, Kolston, Killings, Boschetti, Brown [Let's say 3]
CB: Nickel and dime packages: Wright, Jimoh, Morton, Patterson [3]
LB: Holdman, C Clemons, Havner, McCune, K Campbell, Simon [3-5]

And there is your 22, gone just like that. And take your eligible leftovers and place them on the Practice Squad.


Very good analysis. I tend to agree that Doughty is a "lock" despite his lowly draft status. I would put one more in the "lock" column: Demetric Evans.

You are right in that due to the good number of "locks", not many spots will be truly up for grabs. But, still, I found it surprising that Mr. Large and I differ on only two players, and that our projections for the number of players at each position are identical.

[HanburgerBum]

I think McCune, Simon, and Lefotu are key new young players


McCune? Do you really think he has a future here or anywhere else in the NFL?

I do agree with Simon and Lefotu. Both have a realistic shot to make the final 53. I think Simon has a slightly better chance because of special teams. Lefotu has veterans Pucillo, Walters and Nduwke to contend with at guard. His chances would be improved if he demonstrates that he can play tackle as well.

At worst, Simon and Lefotu should make the Skins practice squad (unless some other team claims them on waivers). While McCune is still eligible for the PS, his age (26-27?) works against him there.

[Hr fan]

http://redskins.scout.com/2/550683.html

Some players to note:

They list Cartwright as a FB. I guess they did this to make room for Jesse Lumsden. They also list us as holding 3 FB's on the team.
Jason Campbell is currently listed as the #2 on their roster.
No Taylor Jacobs.
David Lonie makes the team over Derrick Frost.
Nemo gets sent to the practice squad while Manuel White, Jr. is kept on team.
LB's McCune and Simon also get a spot on the practice squad.

So what do you all think of their predictions?

Interesting, and arguable in the backup spots. Who will shine when the pads are on? Who will step it up? Guesswork now. I like the Havner pick, and believe that low producers like Molinaro have had their chance. The roster shows a number of rookies, which type Gibbs does not like to play in the first year. IMO Golston stays (age of starters). White did nothing last camp and must show a lot to overcome Broughton (255# vs 235#), unless he can at least match Broughton's ST play. I like Ndukwe because this is such an obvious need and the 'Skins did little to address it. A wait and see time, and a fun time. Hope there are regular updates.

[Hr fan]

I am VERY interested to see what this kid can do. I see him and all I can think is "We could've had Chris Canty".

Amen, amen, amen. I will never forgive Cerrato!

[OCSkinzFan]

If Large is way off, that means I will be way off. I am not saying he copied my roster projection (I posted mine about a week ago), but his and mine differ on only 2 players.

He has Nudwke, while I have Alston. And he has Chris Clemons, while I have Simon. Even our breakdowns as to the number of players at each position are identical. Great minds think alike (just kidding).

But, CNY is probably right, TC with its surprises and injuries will have a huge impact on the final opening day roster.
I don't think Large is way off at all.

[FanFromArizona]

Very good analysis. I tend to agree that Doughty is a "lock" despite his lowly draft status. I would put one more in the "lock" column: Demetric Evans.

You are right in that due to the good number of "locks", not many spots will be truly up for grabs. But, still, I found it surprising that Mr. Large and I differ on only two players, and that our projections for the number of players at each position are identical.

I think Demetric is not a definitive lock because he is not a high draft pick or a starter. I put him in the most likely category because he was just resigned and because of his familiarity/versatility with the positions on the line and the lack of depth. If I were a betting man, I think it would take a MIRACLE to knock him out of a roster spot, but it is still possible. I list him as the #2 backup DLineman behind Renaldo. I am glad we resigned him because we are going to need a DE within the next few years to replace Phillip, he might just be that successor we need at the position.

[Hr fan]

Very good analysis. I tend to agree that Doughty is a "lock" despite his lowly draft status. I would put one more in the "lock" column: Demetric Evans.

You are right in that due to the good number of "locks", not many spots will be truly up for grabs. But, still, I found it surprising that Mr. Large and I differ on only two players, and that our projections for the number of players at each position are identical.

If Wright isn't a lock after starting on a good defense and being prototypical physically for GWs specs, then I will be very suprised.

[OCSkinzFan]

If you think about it, there are not many roster spots that are questionable at this point.

If I can count, of the 53 spots, we have the following "locks":

QB: Brunell, Campbell, Collins [3]
RB/FB: Portis, Betts, Sellers [3]
TE: Cooley, Fauria [2]
WR: Moss, Randel El, Lloyd [3]
OL: Samuels, Dockery, Rabach, Thomas, Jansen [5] Total: 16

DL: Andre Carter, Renaldo Wynn, Corny Griffin, Joe Salave'a, Phillip Daniels [5]
LB: Marcus Washington, Lemar Marshall, Rocky McIntosh [3]
CB: Springs, Rogers [2]
S: Taylor, Archuletta, Doughty, Prioleau [4] Total: 14

Special Teams: Ethan Albright [1]

We have already accounted for 31 spots that will have no competition whatsoever. Leaving a grand total of 22 open for competition. And I have not even done the most likely group[see below].

Injuries will need to be accounted for, and the spots left up to discretion will come down to versatility and special teams play.

The prediction part really comes down to who is fighting to make the team to play in a backup role. I have included 2 rookies in the 31 because there is no way we will let Rocky and Doughty go because of lack of sheer numbers back there at safety and because Rocky is our first pick.

Of the 22, these are the roles being fought for[and what the predictions are REALLY targeted]:

Punter: Frost vs Lonie [1]
Kicker: Hall vs Jones [1]
Backup RB/FB: Cartwright, White, Nemo, Combs, Carter, Lumsden [3]
WR: #4 and #5: Patten, Thrash, Jacobs, etc[2]
#3 TE: Johnson, Ortega [1]
Backup OL: Backup depth [Let's say 3, could be 4]
DL: Evans, N Clemons, Montgomery, Kolston, Killings, Boschetti, Brown [Let's say 3]
CB: Nickel and dime packages: Wright, Jimoh, Morton, Patterson [3]
LB: Holdman, C Clemons, Havner, McCune, K Campbell, Simon [3-5]

And there is your 22, gone just like that. And take your eligible leftovers and place them on the Practice Squad.
I would add Wright at Nickle as a lock too.

[FanFromArizona]

McCune? Do you really think he has a future here or anywhere else in the NFL?

I do agree with Simon and Lefotu. Both have a realistic shot to make the final 53. I think Simon has a slightly better chance because of special teams. Lefotu has veterans Pucillo, Walters and Nduwke to contend with at guard. His chances would be improved if he demonstrates that he can play tackle as well.

At worst, Simon and Lefotu should make the Skins practice squad (unless some other team claims them on waivers). While McCune is still eligible for the PS, his age (26-27?) works against him there.


what a bust of a draft class. For the 2005 draft class, we could be looking at bringing forward just Rogers and White, and where Nemo may or may not get brought forward. Such a waste.

I think Simon will get placed on the PS, there is just way too much depth at Middle LineBacker, and I just can't see him at the other two LB spots.

I have no opinion on Lefotu.

[FanFromArizona]

I am VERY interested to see what this kid can do. I see him and all I can think is "We could've had Chris Canty".


The unfortunate thing is that we are going to get rid of either our fourth rounder or seventh rounder from the 2005 draft. We could have taken Chris Canty in the fourth and we could have not had the Manny vs. Nemo fight we are going to watch get unfurled this TC. What a way to waste a pick.

[HanburgerBum]

what a bust of a draft class. For the 2005 draft class, we could be looking at bringing forward just Rogers and White, and where Nemo may or may not get brought forward. Such a waste.

I think Simon will get placed on the PS, there is just way too much depth at Middle LineBacker, and I just can't see him at the other two LB spots.

I have no opinion on Lefotu.


For the 2005 draft class, I hope you are not giving up on Jason Campbell already!

[BurgundyNGold]

The unfortunate thing is that we are going to get rid of either our fourth rounder or seventh rounder from the 2005 draft. We could have taken Chris Canty in the fourth and we could have not had the Manny vs. Nemo fight we are going to watch get unfurled this TC. What a way to waste a pick.
Well, not if Manny ends up being a beast. To this point, he's hardly been noticeable though. More like a "yeast", actually. We'll see but I have been cursing that pick since we made it.

[HanburgerBum]

I think Demetric is not a definitive lock because he is not a high draft pick or a starter. I put him in the most likely category because he was just resigned and because of his familiarity/versatility with the positions on the line and the lack of depth. If I were a betting man, I think it would take a MIRACLE to knock him out of a roster spot, but it is still possible. I list him as the #2 backup DLineman behind Renaldo. I am glad we resigned him because we are going to need a DE within the next few years to replace Phillip, he might just be that successor we need at the position.


Man, you have some tough standards. A player who would only miss making the team if a miracle occurs to knock him out is according to your criteria not a "lock".

The reason I think Evans is a lock is because of his versatility. He can backup at end or tackle. And, in view of his younger age and cheaper salary, I am not sure he is not ahead of Wynn on the depth chart.

[HanburgerBum]

If Wright isn't a lock after starting on a good defense and being prototypical physically for GWs specs, then I will be very suprised.


I think Wright is in the highly probable category, but I wouldn't place him in the "lock" status.

First, he has no history here, and it is not totally clear that he would adapt well into the GW defense.

Second, if he were that good, how is it that he were available and signed for relatively little money?

Third, it wasn't clear that the Skins preferred him over Fletcher.

[FanFromArizona]

For the 2005 draft class, I hope you are not giving up on Jason Campbell already!

DOH! I'm busted for omitting JC from my earlier post.

But no, I am not giving up on JC just yet, I have no opinion on how well he will lead our team. I think he has the potential, but will wait for the actual results before I opine on him. Until then, he is still the future leader for my beloved Skins.

[FanFromArizona]

Well, not if Manny ends up being a beast. To this point, he's hardly been noticeable though. More like a "yeast", actually. We'll see but I have been cursing that pick since we made it.

The point I was trying to make was diversification of the picks. Because we essentially drafted 2 running backs and did not diversify by picking Canty in the 4th, we are essentially going to have a 2005 4th rounder competing against the 2005 7th rounder for 1 roster spot. That is what I was lamenting in my post.

[FanFromArizona]

I think Wright is in the highly probable category, but I wouldn't place him in the "lock" status.

First, he has no history here, and it is not totally clear that he would adapt well into the GW defense.

Second, if he were that good, how is it that he were available and signed for relatively little money?

Third, it wasn't clear that the Skins preferred him over Fletcher.

The only question mark I have about Wright ( a small one at it) is why only the 1 year contract? Something just does not add up. Springs is getting older, we will need to eventually replace him. Why not lock up his replacement if Wright is that good?

Something here tells me Wright is not a definite lock, but my suspicions are that he is better than what we have.

[redwolf1218]

The only question mark I have about Wright ( a small one at it) is why only the 1 year contract? Something just does not add up. Springs is getting older, we will need to eventually replace him. Why not lock up his replacement if Wright is that good?

Something here tells me Wright is not a definite lock, but my suspicions are that he is better than what we have.
i think the suspicions are that maybe we have some good players in Jimoh, Wilson, Burns, Hawkins, Patterson, Prioleau... but the coaches were just that...suspicious...so they add Wright for insurance, and then Doughty for even more competition. the competition will make the best of the safeties and corners rise to the top. with Springs, Rogers, Taylor and Arch entrenched as starters, and all these new additions, the depth should be much better than what we've had in the recent past.

[FanFromArizona]

i think the suspicions are that maybe we have some good players in Jimoh, Wilson, Burns, Hawkins, Patterson, Prioleau... but the coaches were just that...suspicious...so they add Wright for insurance, and then Doughty for even more competition. the competition will make the best of the safeties and corners rise to the top. with Springs, Rogers, Taylor and Arch entrenched as starters, and all these new additions, the depth should be much better than what we've had in the recent past.


If you look back at my first post [#9] in this thread, you'll see that I am pretty much in agreement with everything you state here. I was just explaining my rationale of why Wright is categorized in the "most likely" category and not the "lock" category.

You take an interesting angle on the roster spots, clumping CBs in with the Safeties and categorizing them as DBs. I wonder if they will be rated collectively as a group or individually.

[redwolf1218]

If you look back at my first post [#9] in this thread, you'll see that I am pretty much in agreement with everything you state here. I was just explaining my rationale of why Wright is categorized in the "most likely" category and not the "lock" category.

You take an interesting angle on the roster spots, clumping CBs in with the Safeties and categorizing them as DBs. I wonder if they will be rated collectively as a group or individually.
i was thinking if a guy could play both safety and corner, he might have an edge. for example, i have always thought Jimoh would be good at safety with his size, speed and tackling ability, but i've never seen him play at safety.

these are the kinds of guys who build up the special teams units also.

i agree Wright is not a lock. i think he was brought in as insurance, but he could be out-classed by a younger and more athletic DB. it depends on the numbers they want to keep for depth at corner, safety and special teams.

[redwolf1218]

Good Breakdown FFA. I would like to see Clemons and Killings to stay on the team to sub in. I like the pass rush both provided last year.
i am always amazed at Clemons reputation as a sack-artist, when he only got 2 sacks, even though he played almost exclusively as a pass rusher.