Scrimmage - Redskins vs. Ravins - Aug 5 [Merged]

[colkurtz]

Didn't see a thread on the scrimmage today so I'll start one. All the really smart and lucky people still tail gating at FedEx I imagine. Post your comments here if you actually saw the game.

NFL Network will show this tonight at 8 pm EST.

A couple comments from other fan sites just to get this all rolling:

Brunell looks very sharp and in charge. Don't think he played 11 v 11

Think ST had one monster hit for short time in the game.

Defense looked good. All plays were very vanilla.

Attendance was around 47,000! Wow.

[skins lady]

Does anyone have an estimate of what the score might have been if they kept score?

[Jon Jansen is money]

Does anyone have an estimate of what the score might have been if they kept score?

16-14 skins

Marcus Washington INT for a TD (no PAT attempted)
Jesse Lumsden TD run, PAT
John Hall FG (he was 1/3)

[Jon Jansen is money]

Brunell looks very sharp and in charge. Don't think he played 11 v 11



No offensive starters played 11v11. None.

[InsomniaKiller]

Ok, here we go.

Some jumbled thoughts:

-Sean Taylor was great. His hit on the running back (not sure who was in at the time) was beautiful. He was all over the place when they had him on the field. Definitely looked good.

-CBs also looked good. Great play by who I can only assume was Kenny Wright (I think his number was 35?) breaking up a pass right at the sideline. I was worried he didn't know the ball was coming his way but he broke it up and knocked it out of the receiver's hands with perfect timing. Must've been doing an excellent job at reading the receiver's body language because he never took his eyes off of him.

-Marcus Washington had an INT and a nice bit of running to take it all the way for six.

-Campbell started off very shaky and seemed reluctant. The plus side to this is that we got to see his elusiveness as one of his first plays was a nice scamper for a first down, about 15 yards I believe. He settled down eventually. Never looked "great" but made some nice throws.

-Brunell looked very good during 7-on-7's. Even his most "questionable" throw ended up working out for him as it bounced off a linebacker's fingertips and Randle El made a great play, breaking off his route and managing to grab the ball out of the air.

-#8 was definitely in a groove with Cooley. They were simply unstoppable during 7-on-7's.

-Santana is Santana. Excellent routes. Great job getting open. Caught everything he should.

-Didn't see much of Lloyd or Randle El, unfortunately. Would've checked them out more during 7-on-7s if I had known they wouldn't be in the full scrimmage.

-First string offense didn't participate in the full scrimmage. I was obviously disappointed.

-Jesse Lumsden (sorry) looked good. That's all there is to it. Some say he runs a bit too upright but honestly I think a lot of that is just due to his size. He looked quick and read the gap as well as anybody for his TD run. I'm guessing it was 11 yards or so.

-Since Portis was also only in 7-on-7's he obviously didn't really get to run the ball. The good news is he did grab a couple passes and he showed his elusiveness after the catch as well.

-The full offense ran a play or two out of a split-back formation. All I could do was picture how beautiful that's going to look with Portis and Betts back there together.

-John Hall missed a couple field goals. That is bad. But they were long (46 - 48 yards or so) so it isn't unforgivable. The good news is they had all kinds of distance on them. Kickoffs looked good, too. No surprise that this is our biggest question mark right now...

-Lonie shanked a punt. He is getting outplayed by Frost. That sounds bad, but from the kicks I saw today in practice, Frost is showing BIG improvement over last year. Hopefully he can keep it up because right now, he is our best option at punter.


In short, highlight of the day was definitely first string defense. Played EXCELLENT and definitely got the crowd pumped up. Hard to judge offensive starters from 7-on-7's but when this team gets fine-tuned it will be the definition of a "complete team."

I feel very, very good about what I saw.

[3Taylor6]

does anyone know how carter and archuleta looked on D?

[whitskins]

Hall has always been an accurate kicker, the distance is the big question with him. If he had the leg to boom those high 40 yarders then I'm encouraged, his accuracy will come into form soon. The kickers sound like they really haven't been kicking all that much in practice so far so I think he just needs some fine tuning but if he's hitting the net on high 40 yarders then Hall will be in good shape.

[Jon Jansen is money]

-Derrick Frost shanked a punt. No surprise there, either. The catch, though, is that all his other punts looked quite nice. BIG improvement over last year. The new guy is getting outplayed here.


To be fair, I thought the shanked punt was the "other" guys. Although I hate being fair to Frost.

[828791Redskins]

To be fair, I thought the shanked punt was the "other" guys. Although I hate being fair to Frost.

Yeah it was Lonie. But lonie also punted one off an unsuspecting Ravens head in practice. Anyone else see that?

[InsomniaKiller]

To be fair, I thought the shanked punt was the "other" guys. Although I hate being fair to Frost.

Actually I think you may be right.

Either way, he's showing improvement over last year. Can't be mad at him for that!

Yeah it was Lonie. But lonie also punted one off an unsuspecting Ravens head in practice. Anyone else see that?

I wish! Sucks to hear I missed that!

[HAWGZHEAD]

Got the jersey on, getting ready to watch the scrimmage on NFL network. sniff, sniff, I smell FOOTBALL!!!

[colkurtz]

Hall has always been an accurate kicker, the distance is the big question with him. If he had the leg to boom those high 40 yarders then I'm encouraged, his accuracy will come into form soon. The kickers sound like they really haven't been kicking all that much in practice so far so I think he just needs some fine tuning but if he's hitting the net on high 40 yarders then Hall will be in good shape.

You're right - last year Hall's big problem was range. We're going to need a good kicking program to compete at the upper levels of the NFL.

I'm confused - did Lonie or Frost shank one?

Gibbs just absolutely refuses to show anything in the pre-season. I'm glad he kept the starters out of the 7 v 7. They'll get enough practice over the next month.

[colkurtz]

Got the jersey on, getting ready to watch the scrimmage on NFL network. sniff, sniff, I smell FOOTBALL!!!

Who's number are you wearing? Want to do a play-by-play for those who can't see it?

[InsomniaKiller]

You're right - last year Hall's big problem was range. We're going to need a good kicking program to compete at the upper levels of the NFL.

I'm confused - did Lonie or Frost shank one?

Gibbs just absolutely refuses to show anything in the pre-season. I'm glad he kept the starters out of the 7 v 7. They'll get enough practice over the next month.

Lonie was responsible for the shank. My mistake! I'll fix my post.

[colkurtz]

Ok I'm set:

Cigar - check
NFL Network - check
Cooley Jersey - check
A cool one - check!

Ready for this scrimmage. Look here for the play-by-play, pilgrims!....

[HAWGZHEAD]

Who's number are you wearing? Want to do a play-by-play for those who can't see it?Sorry, no can do :(. My computer is in a seperate part of my house from my television plus I have some guests coming over to entertain.

[3Taylor6]

can someone please fill me on how carter and arch looked on D today, thanks

[EHoffman]

I am going to go downstairs and watch now.

[FanFromArizona]

Play by play commentary coming at you for a fee of course.
Commentary to the highest bidder.....let the bidding begin......

j/k

thank god for laptops with wireless Internet connection. :)

[colkurtz]

Full two hours of coverage, including warmup. I could be drunk by the end of this.

Commentators talking: Good props to ARE. Now saying WR group is tremendous here. Saunders didn't have a good group like this at KC. Brandon Lloyed bigger pickup than ARE. Saunders not a big gimic guy but may use ARE for that.

[colkurtz]

Commentators:

Al saunders is a big pickup. Talking about Collins - he's knowledge of Saunders system.

Saunders using his people very well. Three very good Wr and Cooley. Interesting to see how many points the team can score.

CP - flat out speed. Compared him to Priest holmes. Use CP for screens, get him into secondary on the run.

[colkurtz]

Play by play commentary coming at you for a fee of course.
Commentary to the highest bidder.....let the bidding begin......

j/k

thank god for laptops with wireless Internet connection. :)

I hope to see some of your boi, although he won't be in the 11 v 11.

[FanFromArizona]

Talking with Buddy Ryan's son, the defensive coordinator for the Ravens.

Commenting on the Ravens D.

[FanFromArizona]

I hope to see some of your boi, although he won't be in the 11 v 11.


Believe me, I am watching him as well.

And in honor of him, time to switch the avatar again.

[FanFromArizona]

Special team play, featuring the punters. Lonie just punted.

How is his name pronounced, is it LOW nee or LAH neee? Announcers are going with the former.

[colkurtz]

ST up first.

Punting battle - Frost vs. Lonie.

First kick Lonie looked good.

showed 'gunner position. Terrible blocking by #11.

Commentators: Gibbs will keep guys on bubble if they can play ST. No kidding.

[FanFromArizona]

#13 Ataveus Cash back to receive punts. A full 11-on-11 punt by the Ravens.

7-on-7 with Redskins offense coming up soon.

[colkurtz]

Believe me, I am watching him as well.

And in honor of him, time to switch the avatar again.

You've GOT to get him with a Redskins jersey for your avatar. holding a ball up in the endzone. You won't have to wait long!

[colkurtz]

Commentators:

Lot of juice left in Brunell.

Chris Cooley for TD! "Underrated TE"

Chris Cooley dropped a high pass.

Brunell looks very sharp. Throwing bullets. Good pass to Cooley.

[FanFromArizona]

You've GOT to get him with a Redskins jersey for your avatar. holding a ball up in the endzone. You won't have to wait long!

Trying to figure out how to get those rotating pics of him on redskins.com mainpage.

And will probably ante up the money at Christmas time for his jersey.

[colkurtz]

Short pass to #88 - Fauria.

Commercial - Back to cigar.

[akhhorus]

You know, Campbell hasn't looked quite as bad as has been made out. He struggled with 2 short passes, but looked good and elusive in the pocket. i didn't realize he was that fast.

[Jon Jansen is money]

I thought it to be a bit sad to watch a scrimmage that I went to earlier today so I turned it off. Got to see the 1st Raven O drive which was what I wanted to see anyway.

Anderson was concussed on the interception during a blitz pickup, not on the Sean Taylor hit like I previously thought.

[colkurtz]

Ok, some problems logging on. Campbell had one short hop but looked ok against full Ravens defense.

Lumsden had a good run. He's playing hard.

defense on 11 v 11 now. Clemons hurt. doesn't look good.

Great play by Washington for TD. Monster hit by ST

[colkurtz]

Blitz on Ratbirds. good tackle by PP.

Pass to Heap - good tackle by Jimoh and Washington

[Jon Jansen is money]

Clemons hurt. doesn't look good.


Supposedly it is just a bruised something or other- shouldn't be serious.

[colkurtz]

11 v 11 offense by redskins.

Collins to Lumsden - good pass play. collins aways goes short.

No gain running play by Nemo - great penetration.

all Ravens playing with fake numbers.

collins - crap pass to Nemo. He looks very tentative.

Decent, medium pass to smith! He can throw more than 10 yds.

[shally]

11 v 11 offense by redskins.

Collins to Lumsden - good pass play. collins aways goes short.

No gain running play by Nemo - great penetration.

all Ravens playing with fake numbers.

collins - crap pass to Nemo. He looks very tentative.

Decent, medium pass to smith! He can throw more than 10 yds.

the play from collins to smith is his high water mark

[colkurtz]

Couple of Ravens are hurt. Hard hitting out there.

K. Carter for a nice run.

nice screen to K. Carter.

Draw by K Carter - 4 yds.

Good pass to Jimmy Farris. moving the chains.
Lot of different looks to offense.

[fent]

lumsden actually looked fairly good today. his TD run was the line (which is encouraging since it was the backups all day) but he had one run that Mike can attest to as well that he cut in, hole closed up, cut out, hole closed up, then cut back to the middle to a hole that finally stayed open and was off for 8-10 yards. i don't care what Joe says :), that was a pretty nice run showcasing patience that you rarely see in a rookie.

[colkurtz]

FG by Hall. Got the distance BUT pulled it.

now to Ravens offense.

Overall, Collins is ok but an emergency backup at this point.

[shally]

FG by Hall. Got the distance BUT pulled it.

now to Ravens offense.

Overall, Collins is ok but an emergency backup at this point.

keep an eye on molinaro at T.. he is supposed to play the entire scrimmage

[colkurtz]

You know, Campbell hasn't looked quite as bad as has been made out. He struggled with 2 short passes, but looked good and elusive in the pocket. i didn't realize he was that fast.

He can run and just needs to work on the decision-making (rookie stuff). He's pushing #2 vs collins so far.

[akhhorus]

He can run and just needs to work on the decision-making (rookie stuff). He's pushing #2 vs collins so far.

Thats what I've been shocked by. He can run as well as a mobile Qb. And his medium/deep passes are still beautiful

[colkurtz]

Ravens on offense. So far nothing is moving with backup Qb for Ravens.

Not running on backup Redskins at all.

K. Campbell beat on pass.

dougherty beat on pass.

TD by Ravens with no pass rush.

[colkurtz]

Thats what I've been shocked by. He can run as well as a mobile Qb. And his medium/deep passes are still beautiful

He just needs play time to build confidence but looks good. He's a project that could play out well over time.

[akhhorus]

He just needs play time to build confidence but looks good. He's a project that could play out well over time.

Well he has some great tools now, he can really fling the ball out hard with the medium passes.

[akhhorus]

Wow, beautiful deep ball there by Campbell. Just wow. Great pa fake also.

[colkurtz]

Redskins on offnese. Campbell is up.

good pass to TE johnson

Lumsden - good run.

Excellent pass - 20+ yds to Espy. Good drop by campbell.

lumsden - decent run - decent moves.

Another good pass to Robert Johnson. redskins are driving.

[colkurtz]

Threw a little behind johnson.

Excellent run by Lumsden - TD! Huge hole! He has speed.

[colkurtz]

Good play by Campbell, roberts and Lumsden.

Hall makes extra point.

QB Bramlet in.

Bramlet to Johnson for good pass.

[colkurtz]

Bramlet makes a terrible throw, almost a Int. He's pressing.

Dumps off to K. Carter.

FG unit coming in.

[colkurtz]

Back to Ratbirds offense. back to cigar.

we're seeing third string now.

[FanFromArizona]

Casey Bramlet in. Nice throw to R Johnson.

Followed up with a bad telegraphed throw that was nearly intercepted for 6.


Overall the QBs have talent, but what separates them is their decision-making abilities. Brunell is consistently good. Hopefully we will see some better decision making between Campbell and Bramlet, and get Collins to stop with the short dumpoffs. Overall Campbell decision making was respectable, but there were some non-decisions that hurt him today.

[BurgundyNGold]

Casey Bramlet in. Nice throw to R Johnson.

Followed up with a bad telegraphed throw that was nearly intercepted for 6.


Overall the QBs have talent, but what separates them is their decision-making abilities. Brunell is consistently good. Hopefully we will see some better decision making between Campbell and Bramlet, and get Collins to stop with the short dumpoffs. Overall Campbell decision making was respectable, but there were some non-decisions that hurt him today.
It won't last.

[colkurtz]

It won't last.

He is camp fodder.

things getting sloppy now as third string is in.

Young guys getting their reps.

[colkurtz]

Defense is now dominating.

commentators saying "GW defense moves to the ball"

Commentators givings lots of props to Redskins coaches. They are high on our club.

[InsomniaKiller]

Overall Campbell decision making was respectable, but there were some non-decisions that hurt him today.

That sums up his performance perfectly. He seemed reluctant and indecisive at times. He has all the tools, though. I think it's all going to come together for him just fine.

[colkurtz]

#36 Williams misses a tackle. Not good for his chances.

[BurgundyNGold]

He is camp fodder.

things getting sloppy now as third string is in.

Young guys getting their reps.
No, I mean in the scrimmage. Bramlett will spread his wings and soar into suckiness.

[colkurtz]

Watching the Tuna sell his football skills DVD. The guy really has man boobs.

Sorry, i degress.

Overall, i'm very impressed with the redskins. They used vanilla plays and looked very good.

There were a huge number of fans at the stadium.

[colkurtz]

Final interview with ARE. He said that"it's nice to go against guys who don't know your routes."

asked about his passing ability. he says "my arm is always ready to let it fly."

[BandWagon]

To answer the previous question about Archuleta and Carter. I didn't really zero in on Carter. I think most of the qb pressure we got came from LB's. Archuleta looked good. He was around the ball a lot. Taylor definitely got the bigger hits of the two. I will say this about Carter tho...he's freaking huge!

I was most impressed with the TE play. I thought Robert Johnson had some sensational catches and Fauria looked extremely reliable with the ball as well. I'm not missing Robert Royal at this point at all.

And overall, I thought the team looked much better in this scrimmage than they did in Baltimore last year.

[colkurtz]

To answer the previous question about Archuleta and Carter. I didn't really zero in on Carter. I think most of the qb pressure we got came from LB's. Archuleta looked good. He was around the ball a lot. Taylor definitely got the bigger hits of the two. I will say this about Carter tho...he's freaking huge!

I was most impressed with the TE play. I thought Robert Johnson had some sensational catches and Fauria looked extremely reliable with the ball as well. I'm not missing Robert Royal at this point at all.

And overall, I thought the team looked much better in this scrimmage than they did in Baltimore last year.

All the TE's looked excellent. They are going to be big factors this season.

Brunell looks impressive, decisive and totally in shape.

[bgforever]

Can't get too excited about the scrimmage, except to say its a release for the players, AND coaches. Both get the tradeoff they want, while maintaining some kind of order.

Thanks for the updates everybody. I thought the most insightful things that were said, were from Joe Gibbs and Jason Campbell, in relation to the fans. J. Gibbs stated we were "in mid-season form". J. C. said the high expectations, and the large crowd for the scrimmage made him press (to impress). He finally settled down and that was when he looked his best. He will be fine.

[hail2skins]

To answer the previous question about Archuleta and Carter. I didn't really zero in on Carter. I think most of the qb pressure we got came from LB's. Archuleta looked good. He was around the ball a lot. Taylor definitely got the bigger hits of the two. I will say this about Carter tho...he's freaking huge!

I was most impressed with the TE play. I thought Robert Johnson had some sensational catches and Fauria looked extremely reliable with the ball as well. I'm not missing Robert Royal at this point at all.

And overall, I thought the team looked much better in this scrimmage than they did in Baltimore last year.Yeah, Arch made references to Taylor's hits after the scrimmage in his interview. Said he's behind him already. I thought that was funny.

[colkurtz]

Yeah, Arch made references to Taylor's hits after the scrimmage in his interview. Said he's behind him already. I thought that was funny.

ST and AA are going to be a hard-hitting crew. Pinkston's [Eagle's WR] arms are shrinking just with the thought of playing against those two. :lol1:

[whitskins]

I'd like to see how Campbell looks with the first team offense and an O-line that can protect him in the pass game. He looked a little slow reading the defense at times but he has had very little time to find a comfort zone in the new offense.

I thought his mobility looked good and when he settled in he looked solid. He's gonna keep getting better.

Washington's pick six was awesome. Brunell looks ready to rock, we just need to keep him healthy. Cooley looks like freaking Tony Gonzalez. No NFL team can cover all of our weapons at one time.

The backup O-line showed flashes in the run game but struggled against the pass. Hopefully we can find a few guys here who can play. Wish I could have seen Montgomery, I didn't notice much of Rocky and Doughty looked a bit lost out there.

I'm not worried about Hall yet, his leg looks really strong again, he hit the net on the 47 yarder that I saw in the broadcast. His accuracy will come around.

[redskinz#1fan]

ST and AA are going to be a hard-hitting crew. Pinkston's [Eagle's WR] arms are shrinking just with the thought of playing against those two. :lol1:


Speaking of the eagles, there was a eagles fan at the scrimmage today sitting right in front of me, smoak, carmike and the rest of the crew. He was down there talking about how good of a WR corp that they have. I asked who there # 1 WR was, and guess what came out of his mouth?

Please click here (http://www.darnerienmccants.com/music.asp) to find out.

[whistleandthumb]

Speaking of the eagles, there was a eagles fan at the scrimmage today sitting right in front of me, smoak, carmike and the rest of the crew. He was down there talking about how good of a WR corp that they have. I asked who there # 1 WR was, and guess what came out of his mouth?

Please click here (http://www.darnerienmccants.com/music.asp) to find out.
That's hilarious. At least his website doesn't make him look like a total sissy. ;)

[akhhorus]

Speaking of the eagles, there was a eagles fan at the scrimmage today sitting right in front of me, smoak, carmike and the rest of the crew. He was down there talking about how good of a WR corp that they have. I asked who there # 1 WR was, and guess what came out of his mouth?

Please click here (http://www.darnerienmccants.com/music.asp) to find out.

You might want to recommend these people (http://www.whitehousedrugpolicy.gov/) to that fan...or them (http://www.drug-rehabs.com/)

[BurgundyNGold]

You might want to recommend these people (http://www.whitehousedrugpolicy.gov/) to that fan...
:lol1:

The PB redirect site.

[akhhorus]

:lol1:

The PB redirect site.

I hope PB got the professional help he needed, or at least got the restraining order Ramsey took out on him lifted(or reduced in size)

[Skinz4lyfe]

Speaking of the eagles, there was a eagles fan at the scrimmage today sitting right in front of me, smoak, carmike and the rest of the crew. He was down there talking about how good of a WR corp that they have. I asked who there # 1 WR was, and guess what came out of his mouth?

Please click here (http://www.darnerienmccants.com/music.asp) to find out.

Why would they even come to our scrimmage? To find out what team is gonna hurt their feelings again this year? To warn Todd Pinkston not to come over the middle? I just don't get it.

Anyway, I think our offense looked pretty good considering we're still learning these new schemes by Saunders. It would be nice to see the backup O-lineman due better though. Depth there continues to be a concern.

[BurgundyNGold]

The Redskins web site is reporting that the attendence for the scrimmage today was 47,258.

47,258!

For a scrimmage!

Man, do we love our Redskins. ;)

[akhhorus]

The Redskins web site is reporting that the attendence for the scrimmage today was 47,258.

47,258!

For a scrimmage!

Man, do we love our Redskins. ;)

The WaPo quoted Brandon Lloyd as saying that they didn't even get that many fans for regular season games in San Fran...

[redskinz#1fan]

You might want to recommend these people (http://www.whitehousedrugpolicy.gov/) to that fan...or them (http://www.drug-rehabs.com/)


Leave it to you AKH to have some really good recommendations for the mentally challenged/ substanced abused eagles fans. I knew I should have used my phone-a-friend option while this eagles fan was trying to consume my brain cells with his jibberish. You could've gotten him straightened out fairly quickly and I wouldn't have had to walk away from the scrimmage feeling light headed from all the BS! :banghead:

[BurgundyNGold]

The WaPo quoted Brandon Lloyd as saying that they didn't even get that many fans for regular season games in San Fran...
Ha! I hope he gets how things are a different level of serious over here. ;)

[LATrueRedskin]

Good scrimmage. Taylor's looking really good, and Brunell and Cooley are already in sync. Cooley ran great routes out there.

As for Campbell, I'm pleased with what I saw from him. He has good, natural pocket presence, and he throws a pretty ball. Still a little rough around the edges, but the preseason will do wonders for him.

Reed Doughty got schooled out there.

[akhhorus]

As for Campbell, I'm pleased with what I saw from him. He has good, natural pocket presence, and he throws a pretty ball. Still a little rough around the edges, but the preseason will do wonders for him.

He needs to work on his short passing(which look to be a symptom of throwing too hard), but his deep balls and medium passes are strong and accurate. Also, his mobility is amazing. I don't want designed runs for him, but you have to watch for those with him.

[redskin_rich]

As for Campbell, I'm pleased with what I saw from him. He has good, natural pocket presence, and he throws a pretty ball. Still a little rough around the edges, but the preseason will do wonders for him.

Really, you think that? I think he is totally lost right now but I hope he will calm down and learn to find the receivers as the preseason progresses.

[LATrueRedskin]

He needs to work on his short passing(which look to be a symptom of throwing too hard), but his deep balls and medium passes are strong and accurate. Also, his mobility is amazing. I don't want designed runs for him, but you have to watch for those with him.

Yeah he really throws the ball with ease. I just think overall he needs to relax a bit, and that will come with time. I think his short passing is being affected because he's too antsy right now in the pocket. I think working in the preseason games (with the starters hopefully) will help a ton.

[LATrueRedskin]

Really, you think that? I think he is totally lost right now but I hope he will calm down and learn to find the receivers as the preseason progresses.

Yeah I thought so. He has the natural ability to sense pass rushers and maneuver himself to get on the run. He might be a little too quick to tuck the ball and run, but I thought he did a good job.

[akhhorus]

Really, you think that? I think he is totally lost right now but I hope he will calm down and learn to find the receivers as the preseason progresses.

I think what is holding Campbell back isn't a deficiency of talent or physical/mental ability, but is just a lack of experience. He clearly can make the throws and deliver long throws with extreme accuracy, and he has good awareness. He has all the tools to be a good Qb in the NFL, and its just a question if he can put it together.

[BurgundyNGold]

I think what is holding Campbell back isn't a deficiency of talent or physical/mental ability, but is just a lack of experience. He clearly can make the throws and deliver long throws with extreme accuracy, and he has good awareness. He has all the tools to be a good Qb in the NFL, and its just a question if he can put it together.
Yeah, but he doesn't look any better than last year in that regard. At least to this point. I'm really reserving judgement until after the 3rd preseason game.

[akhhorus]

Yeah, but he doesn't look any better than last year in that regard. At least to this point. I'm really reserving judgement until after the 3rd preseason game.

How much even simulated playing time has he had? I'm reserving judgement until we see him start a few real regular season games. And given Saunders'(Bulger, Warner, Green) and Gibbs' track record with developing Qbs, this could be interesting.

[BurgundyNGold]

How much even simulated playing time has he had? I'm reserving judgement until we see him start a few real regular season games. And given Saunders'(Bulger, Warner, Green) and Gibbs' track record with developing Qbs, this could be interesting.
Oh, I'm not going to place absolute judgement after 3 preseason games. I'm only going to use that to gauge his progress to this point. I don't think we'll know about Campbell for years. Hell, look how long it took the Rats to evaluate (and sweep under the rug) Kyle Boller. David Carr is still an unknown commodity and what is this, his 4th season? QBs take time to develop. Unfortunately, we don't really have a viable backup until Campbell does take that next step.

[redskin_rich]

Yeah I thought so. He has the natural ability to sense pass rushers and maneuver himself to get on the run. He might be a little too quick to tuck the ball and run, but I thought he did a good job.

I think what is holding Campbell back isn't a deficiency of talent or physical/mental ability, but is just a lack of experience. He clearly can make the throws and deliver long throws with extreme accuracy, and he has good awareness. He has all the tools to be a good Qb in the NFL, and its just a question if he can put it together.

I think the game is too fast for him right now and as long as he is not thrust into a starting role this season, he should be fine. Yes, he has the tools but he is far from ready to be the QB of this team.

[BurgundyNGold]

I think the game is too fast for him right now and as long as he is not thrust into a starting role this season, he should be fine. Yes, he has the tools but he is far from ready to be the QB of this team.
I guess I'm a little disappointed that we're still hearing that. I thought that's why he had a rookie season -- one in which he was not rushed into service. I thought Year 2 was supposed to be much slower.

[akhhorus]

Oh, I'm not going to place absolute judgement after 3 preseason games. I'm only going to use that to gauge his progress to this point. I don't think we'll know about Campbell for years. Hell, look how long it took the Rats to evaluate (and sweep under the rug) Kyle Boller. David Carr is still an unknown commodity and what is this, his 4th season? QBs take time to develop. Unfortunately, we don't really have a viable backup until Campbell does take that next step.

Yeah, but those two(especially) were bad prospects who went to desperate teams who threw them to the wolves too early(and with coaches who struggle in developing Qb talent). Campbell has an almost diametrically opposed situation in DC.

[LATrueRedskin]

I think the game is too fast for him right now and as long as he is not thrust into a starting role this season, he should be fine. Yes, he has the tools but he is far from ready to be the QB of this team.

Oh I agree. I'm not saying he's ready to start for this team by any means. I was just pleased with what I saw from him, especially with both how he played last year and how people were saying he looked at training camp up until this point.

[BurgundyNGold]

Yeah, but those two(especially) were bad prospects who went to desperate teams who threw them to the wolves too early(and with coaches who struggle in developing Qb talent). Campbell has an almost diametrically opposed situation in DC.
So, you think we'll know about Campbell sooner than the "years" timetable it's taken for those oter two young QBs? That would be pleasing.

[LATrueRedskin]

I guess I'm a little disappointed that we're still hearing that. I thought that's why he had a rookie season -- one in which he was not rushed into service. I thought Year 2 was supposed to be much slower.

Well, let's see how he does during the preseason games before we pass real judgement. It'll slow down for him with more experience, and he'll get big chunks of playing time in 4 straight games. I think we'll see a nice progression with him over that span.

[BurgundyNGold]

Well, let's see how he does during the preseason games before we pass real judgement. It'll slow down for him with more experience, and he'll get big chunks of playing time in 4 straight games. I think we'll see a nice progression with him over that span.
That's what I'm counting on. ;)

[akhhorus]

So, you think we'll know about Campbell sooner than the "years" timetable it's taken for those oter two young QBs? That would be pleasing.

In terms of time since he takes over the starter's job, yes. Carr has the most potential of who you mentioned, and since he was in a crappy situation and thrown out way too early, he's not going to blossom for another year at least(and requires loads of talent before he'll put it together). But look at guys who were sat down for awhile with good Qb coaches: Pennington, Culpepper, McNabb, McNair, Bulger etc etc etc. The track record is pretty good.

[LATrueRedskin]

Yeah, but those two(especially) were bad prospects who went to desperate teams who threw them to the wolves too early(and with coaches who struggle in developing Qb talent). Campbell has an almost diametrically opposed situation in DC.

I agree. I think we're bringing him up almost perfectly, and we have Brunell to thank for that. When Campbell gets his chance to start, he'll be surrounded by Pro Bowl talent, not a lackluster offense (Boller, Smith) or a brand new football team altogether (Carr).

[BurgundyNGold]

In terms of time since he takes over the starter's job, yes. Carr has the most potential of who you mentioned, and since he was in a crappy situation and thrown out way too early, he's not going to blossom for another year at least(and requires loads of talent before he'll put it together). But look at guys who were sat down for awhile with good Qb coaches: Pennington, Culpepper, McNabb, McNair, Bulger etc etc etc. The track record is pretty good.
That's true. We'l have to wait and see. Still, if I had my druthers, we wouldn't see Campbell in 2006 except for in mop up duty.

[redwolf1218]

He needs to work on his short passing(which look to be a symptom of throwing too hard), but his deep balls and medium passes are strong and accurate. Also, his mobility is amazing. I don't want designed runs for him, but you have to watch for those with him.
a lot of good QB's start out by making plays with their legs when they have to, like Elway or Young, so i'm glad he has good mobility.

[akhhorus]

That's true. We'l have to wait and see. Still, if I had my druthers, we wouldn't see Campbell in 2006 except for in mop up duty.

I agree. Although I have a feeling with him that if he's thrown out there, he'll struggle for a bit, then realize that he just has to trust the talent around him. Remember what Bulger did thrown to the wolves under Saunders. He blossomed quickly.

[frankez99]

Man....I know it is early....but Mark Brunell looked like he was in AWESOME shape for someone who banged up his knee and injured his finger. Physically it looks as if he worked out hard and he had a swagger about him out there...plus had some serious zip on his throws....I'm liking what I'm seeing at this stage.

I'm just so glad that this season, THERE IS A CLEAR-CUT starting QB....none of that Ramsey-Brunell garbage.

[Swirvi]

The Redskins web site is reporting that the attendence for the scrimmage today was 47,258.

47,258!

For a scrimmage!

Man, do we love our Redskins. ;)

In all fairness, there were a bunch of Ravens' fans also. Either that, or a lot of Redskins' fans got excited to see Steve McNair come in to throw.

[LATrueRedskin]

Also, concerning Lumsden, I was impressed with him as well. Not to many moves, and he's kind of a rigid runner, but he's a massive running back with good power and speed. He reminded me of kind of a poor man's Deuce McCalister. I hope he makes the team in some fashion, whether on the 52 man roster or on the practice squad.

[BurgundyNGold]

Also, concerning Lumsden, I was impressed with him as well. Not to many moves, and he's kind of a rigid runner, but he's a massive running back with good power and speed. He reminded me of kind of a poor man's Deuce McCalister. I hope he makes the team in some fashion, whether on the 52 man roster or on the practice squad.
What? That just might be a stretch. Maybe. Slightly. Just a wee bit.

[LATrueRedskin]

What? That just might be a stretch. Maybe. Slightly. Just a wee bit.

Of course I'm not comparing him exactly to Deuce McCalister and his production, but I'm saying he fits the mold and running style: a big bruising back who runs downhill with minimal moves.

[redskin_rich]

In all fairness, there were a bunch of Ravens' fans also. Either that, or a lot of Redskins' fans got excited to see Steve McNair come in to throw.
Were you there? I was and I would say the Ratbirds fans numbered less than 1000. I barely saw any.

[akhhorus]

Of course I'm not comparing him exactly to Deuce McCalister and his production, but I'm saying he fits the mold and running style: a big bruising back who runs downhill with minimal moves.

He's a slashing power back. The problem is that Portis is a slashing back also, we need a bruising grinder to go with him.

[BurgundyNGold]

He's a slashing power back. The problem is that Portis is a slashing back also, we need a bruising grinder to go with him.
I think Kerry Carter looked pretty good today. He seems to have more of the power frame. Nemo might be on the bubble, IMO. And your boy Manny White might want to learn Canadian too, lol.

[akhhorus]

I think Kerry Carter looked pretty good today. He seems to have more of the power frame. Nemo might be on the bubble, IMO. And your boy Manny White might want to learn Canadian too, lol.

http://www.aftonbladet.se/resor/0204/13/RESA-13s98-AHAB-44.jpg

Manuel White, from hell's heart I stab at thee; for hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee. Ye damned fullback. lmao.

[LATrueRedskin]

He's a slashing power back. The problem is that Portis is a slashing back also, we need a bruising grinder to go with him.

I think Lumsden would be a good change of pace to Portis and Betts. Right now I'm liking him over Nemo and Manuel. I hope he'll get a shot in the preseason to make his mark.

[BurgundyNGold]

http://www.aftonbladet.se/resor/0204/13/RESA-13s98-AHAB-44.jpg

Manuel White, from hell's heart I stab at thee; for hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee. Ye damned fullback. lmao.
:lol1:

[shally]

I think Lumsden would be a good change of pace to Portis and Betts. Right now I'm liking him over Nemo and Manuel. I hope he'll get a shot in the preseason to make his mark.

he has better speed than either, but he is not a fullback and that is the position that nemo and white a competing for.

lumsden's main competition is rock, for what is likely the final RB position

[Axegrinder]

Terrific write ups and opinions.
I feel as though I was there with you guys,and I trust your eyes and instincts far more than those of the talking heads.

From all of us,who don't have the NFL network and weren't able to attend,I salute you guys for your service to this board!!!:beer:

[shally]

Terrific write ups and opinions.
I feel as though I was there with you guys,and I trust your eyes and instincts far more than those of the talking heads.

From all of us,who don't have the NFL network and weren't able to attend,I salute you guys for your service to this board!!!:beer:

agreed.. thanks so much for being our eyes and ears...great stuff

[frankez99]

agreed.. thanks so much for being our eyes and ears...great stuff

"Great stuff" has been my opinion of this place ever since I've joined.:)

[shally]

"Great stuff" has been my opinion of this place ever since I've joined.:)

ain't it da truth..?

so much to like about this site and the folks who post here..

[bball7980]

You know for the first time in a long time I have a very good feeling about this year. We have so issues and there are a few spots where if we lost a player we would be in big trouble but what team out there doesn't have those issues. How hard hitting is are secondary going to be? Man!! We need Brunell to stay healthy. That to me is the big thing.

[shally]

You know for the first time in a long time I have a very good feeling about this year. We have so issues and there are a few spots where if we lost a player we would be in big trouble but what team out there doesn't have those issues. How hard hitting is are secondary going to be? Man!! We need Brunell to stay healthy. That to me is the big thing.

it will come down to the o line for that reason

[PyroGenic]

this was an awesome reads, thanks guys!

[Smurf85]

46 and a 47 im sorry,but he should make those kicks.I dont like that at all and i hope it is not a problem.What a second never mind he is only going to kick extra points anyway.:)

[Smurf85]

Commentators:

Lot of juice left in Brunell.

Chris Cooley for TD! "Underrated TE"

Chris Cooley dropped a high pass.

Brunell looks very sharp. Throwing bullets. Good pass to Cooley.

That pass hit him right in the hands it was not high.Other than that he looked great.Brunell as looked very good on target and quick.Did not waste time in the pocket.ST WOW this kid will want a new contract after this year.You watch and see after his ProBowl year.PLEASE PLEASE stay put of trouble ST we need you.Arch did not see alot out of him,but he did not play that much.Macus looks great.I was pretty happy with our starters.Back line im scared about someone getting hurt on our o-line.It just seems like the backups sucked for JC.Still i was very happy hell its only been a week.GO SKINS BABY.

[Swirvi]

Were you there? I was and I would say the Ratbirds fans numbered less than 1000. I barely saw any.

Nah, i wasn't there but on the tv, you could definitely hear the crowd when McNair stepped on the field. Plus, the announcers made a comment about the Ravens' fans. But like I said, I wasn't there so I could be wrong.

[flave1969]

I guess I'm a little disappointed that we're still hearing that. I thought that's why he had a rookie season -- one in which he was not rushed into service. I thought Year 2 was supposed to be much slower.

Yes but we all know that only happens with playing time. Campbell has to play some real football otherwise he will always be a rookie when it comes to experience. At some time we are going to have to bite the bullet.

Look at the Giants and Manning. If two years ago Kurt Warner plays well, Manning would be in the same position right now. Manning sucked it up in his first year, and fell away badly at the end last year but we did see some ability because he played.

Because of the nature of our coach and the fact that Brunell still has a lively arm, Campbell and all of us will have to wait.

Think about this. Joe Montana did not win the starting job till his third season, Dan Marino did not start the first five games of his career. Favre lasted one year in Atlanta threw five passes and two were Ints. Elway threw 14 Ints in 11 games his first year. Peyton Manning 29 Ints in 16 games his first year. Brunell threw just 27 passes his first year because he was behind Favre.

Until Campbell plays we will not know what we have for sure. All the greats above took time to find their feet and only did so playing the game.

[GibbsFan]

Big Jim did a good job from what I could see on TV, I thought he looked particularly good in pass protection. His footwork, and lateral quickness were impressive to me.

Anybody know who #4 for the Ravens was that he was going against? Going into the scrimmage depth at T was my biggest concern, but I think Big Jim might just stick around after all.

[Redskin006]

i definitely agree. he looked very good in run and especially pass protection. i think the 2nd team offensive line was fairly impressive as they were able to open up holes for lumsden and give time for collins to complete some impressive plays.

[Skinzwelder]

Nah, i wasn't there but on the tv, you could definitely hear the crowd when McNair stepped on the field. Plus, the announcers made a comment about the Ravens' fans. But like I said, I wasn't there so I could be wrong.

There might have been a 1000 total ratbird fans there. I even saw a couple eagles fans there. I guess they came to see a good football team play.

[redskinz#1fan]

i definitely agree. he looked very good in run and especially pass protection. i think the 2nd team offensive line was fairly impressive as they were able to open up holes for lumsden and give time for collins to complete some impressive plays.


Maybe it was just me, but the 2nd team O-line looked terrible. They didn't give Campbell any time to feel comfortable in the pocket. Every time he snapped the ball, he had Ravens in the backfield. That is why he looked so uncomfortable back there most of the scrimmage. I personally think that Campbell would have looked much better then people are giving him for, if he would have been playing with first team talent. Of course, this is my opinion. I'm just calling it like I saw it from the stands.

[redskinz#1fan]

Really, you think that? I think he is totally lost right now but I hope he will calm down and learn to find the receivers as the preseason progresses.


Maybe it was just me, but the 2nd team O-line looked terrible. They didn't give Campbell any time to feel comfortable in the pocket. Every time he snapped the ball, he had Ravens in the backfield. That is why he looked so uncomfortable back there most of the scrimmage. I personally think that Campbell would have looked much better then people are giving him credit for, if he would have been playing with first team talent. Of course, this is my opinion.

[HollywoodKolt]

Maybe it was just me, but the 2nd team O-line looked terrible. They didn't give Campbell any time to feel comfortable in the pocket. Every time he snapped the ball, he had Ravens in the backfield. That is why he looked so uncomfortable back there most of the scrimmage. I personally think that Campbell would have looked much better then people are giving him for, if he would have been playing with first team talent. Of course, this is my opinion. I'm just calling it like I saw it from the stands.

I'd agree with that, While some Olinemen may have had their moments, most if not all of them, including Molinaro, got tooled at least once.

[redskin_rich]

Maybe it was just me, but the 2nd team O-line looked terrible. They didn't give Campbell any time to feel comfortable in the pocket. Every time he snapped the ball, he had Ravens in the backfield. That is why he looked so uncomfortable back there most of the scrimmage. I personally think that Campbell would have looked much better then people are giving him credit for, if he would have been playing with first team talent. Of course, this is my opinion.
Yeah but it was the 2nd team Ravens players too.
Campbell has looked just as confused in practice with the first team. He is just going to have to takes his lumps and we are going to have to deal with it. He simply is not ready yet. Hopefully, we don't need him this year.

[GibbsFan]

Maybe it was just me, but the 2nd team O-line looked terrible. They didn't give Campbell any time to feel comfortable in the pocket. Every time he snapped the ball, he had Ravens in the backfield. That is why he looked so uncomfortable back there most of the scrimmage. I personally think that Campbell would have looked much better then people are giving him for, if he would have been playing with first team talent. Of course, this is my opinion. I'm just calling it like I saw it from the stands.

Overall, the 2nd team did'nt look great, I was talking about Molinaro. But I do remember on one play, where the DE got a good jump from the snap, and Molinaro stayed with the block and pushed him behind Campbell. The problem was Campbell rushed the pass and it fell about 3 yards short, instead of relaxing and delivering. IMO Campbell still has a ways to go and should get 75% of the snaps in the preseason.

[CNYSkinFan]

Molinaro may have saved his job...or at least assured he would not be on the first round of cuts. Alston looked good as well when he was in. No Jonta Woodard which surprised me.

[Biggie]

I feel a bit better having Campbell waiting in the wings than I did having Ramsey there last year. I mean, Campbell has some nice upside and made a great run or two. Just saying.

[redskinz#1fan]

Yeah but it was the 2nd team Ravens players too.
Campbell has looked just as confused in practice with the first team. He is just going to have to takes his lumps and we are going to have to deal with it. He simply is not ready yet. Hopefully, we don't need him this year.


Actually on Campbell's first go around he was facing the first team ravens D, and he was playing with all the backups from our team. Both teams started the 1st string defense on the 11 on 11 drills. Rich he really has no game day experience, so yes it's going to take time. I just don't think that he is as far behind as people thinking. We wil definitely get a better sense of where he stands during the preseason. I just hace this feeling that we will see Campbell coming into a game this year to play, and won't be just because he's in to mop things up. But he will definitely have to take some lumps to get better, because even the greats have gone through some growing pains. I just think that some people are over reacting a little bit about his performance yesterday. Time will tell!

[NCskinsfanatic]

Terrific write ups and opinions.
I feel as though I was there with you guys,and I trust your eyes and instincts far more than those of the talking heads.

From all of us,who don't have the NFL network and weren't able to attend,I salute you guys for your service to this board!!!:beer:


I second that. I was planning on coming up with my son but my wife ended up "requesting" that I stay and man the grill while helping to entertain family from GA...so i too appreciate this thread and everyones efforts.

[skins74]

To answer the previous question about Archuleta and Carter. I didn't really zero in on Carter. I think most of the qb pressure we got came from LB's. Archuleta looked good. He was around the ball a lot. Taylor definitely got the bigger hits of the two. I will say this about Carter tho...he's freaking huge!

I was most impressed with the TE play. I thought Robert Johnson had some sensational catches and Fauria looked extremely reliable with the ball as well. I'm not missing Robert Royal at this point at all.

And overall, I thought the team looked much better in this scrimmage than they did in Baltimore last year.


You are right about Royal he won't be missed. I thought Archuleta missed a few tackles and too some bad angles the good thing is ST was all over it. I figure by the end of pre season Arch will get it down.

[Jon Jansen is money]

Nah, i wasn't there but on the tv, you could definitely hear the crowd when McNair stepped on the field. Plus, the announcers made a comment about the Ravens' fans. But like I said, I wasn't there so I could be wrong.

I was there, and saw it on TV. The noise was from the skins defense getting pumped up from skins fans in the crowd making noise. It was not from ravens fans like the announcers thought.

[shally]

Maybe it was just me, but the 2nd team O-line looked terrible. They didn't give Campbell any time to feel comfortable in the pocket. Every time he snapped the ball, he had Ravens in the backfield. That is why he looked so uncomfortable back there most of the scrimmage. I personally think that Campbell would have looked much better then people are giving him credit for, if he would have been playing with first team talent. Of course, this is my opinion.

that is what i read as well.. except for molinaro, and there is a thread for that

[shally]

Big Jim did a good job from what I could see on TV, I thought he looked particularly good in pass protection. His footwork, and lateral quickness were impressive to me.

Anybody know who #4 for the Ravens was that he was going against? Going into the scrimmage depth at T was my biggest concern, but I think Big Jim might just stick around after all.

i read that as well. they left him in most of the scrimmage. a test of fire, if you will.

i know he was matched up against terrell suggs some of the time, so that is a great test for him. if he can lock down the #3 tackle position that would be huge for the team

[shally]

Molinaro may have saved his job...or at least assured he would not be on the first round of cuts. Alston looked good as well when he was in. No Jonta Woodard which surprised me.

any comments on jasper harvey who has been having a good camp so far ??

[superskin]

Yeah, this was a great sign. Our OL depth is obviously our achilles heel this year, and I hope the improvement continues as the preseason moves on.

[whitskins]

I thought the second team O-line looked fine once they went up against the second team defense. They did some good things in the run game and gave Campbell a sufficient amount of time to throw.

I'm not concerned about the second team OL very much as a unit. What we need is two or three individual players to step up as backups. The second team Oline as a whole will never see the field together in a real game, so hopefully we have a few guys there who can play if forced into duty and the weak links can be cut.

[superskin]

I was there, and saw it on TV. The noise was from the skins defense getting pumped up from skins fans in the crowd making noise. It was not from ravens fans like the announcers thought.

Yeah I heard that on the television as well, when I watched the replay. Paul Burmeister is an idiot. The Ravens offense takes the field, the crowd is at a fever pitch for its defense, and Burmeister says (and I am paraphrasing) "and the Ravens fans here are cheering on McNair as he will control the offense on this drive."

He obviously hasnt been at FedEx before.

[FanFromArizona]

Yeah, this was a great sign. Our OL depth is obviously our achilles heel this year, and I hope the improvement continues as the preseason moves on.


If depth is our issue, then the solution is to pray to the football gods and ask that none of the starters get injured this year. :rolleyes:

The fight on the Oline is going to be interesting to watch this preseason.

[shally]

If depth is our issue, then the solution is to pray to the football gods and ask that none of the starters get injured this year. :rolleyes:

The fight on the Oline is going to be interesting to watch this preseason.

injuries, or more correctly, the timing of injuries is always a key factor. team that are healthy or who get healthy simply do better..

[ChiefPowhatan17]

I think the more playing time our 2nd and 3rd teams get in this preseason is going to be key for our depth on O-line and D-line. I am glad 1st stringers didn't play on O-line, I just want these young guys to get as much experience as they can right now.

[FanFromArizona]

I think the more playing time our 2nd and 3rd teams get in this preseason is going to be key for our depth on O-line and D-line. I am glad 1st stringers didn't play on O-line, I just want these young guys to get as much experience as they can right now.


They will get plenty of practice during preseason. I would expect 1.5 quarters for the starting line during the first two preseason games, a lot during the 3rd game[perhaps 2 quarters], and maybe 1 quarter in the last preseason game.

After that I would expect to see the 2nd and 3rd teams get their chance to strut their stuff.

[shally]

I think the more playing time our 2nd and 3rd teams get in this preseason is going to be key for our depth on O-line and D-line. I am glad 1st stringers didn't play on O-line, I just want these young guys to get as much experience as they can right now.

the starters will get their timing down, but the less they are on the field, the less is the chance of injuries in meaningless games and scrimmages..

[shally]

Yeah I heard that on the television as well, when I watched the replay. Paul Burmeister is an idiot. The Ravens offense takes the field, the crowd is at a fever pitch for its defense, and Burmeister says (and I am paraphrasing) "and the Ravens fans here are cheering on McNair as he will control the offense on this drive."

He obviously hasnt been at FedEx before.

the radio work on both sides was not exactly in mid season form..

[CNYSkinFan]

funny you should mentin that because I zeroed in on Harvey when he came in on the third series. I thought he looked decent, was good in run blocking and pass protection. Looks like Puccillo is ahead of him in the center race but he still could get a shot either on PS or on the roster depending on pre-season.

[HAWGZHEAD]

I loved seeing Brunell to Cooley over and over. Brunell looked comfortable and ready to do some damage this season. Campbell looked a little shaky but I didn't expect anything different really. Lumsden is a deity :D, and TJ still can't catch. All is well in the Skins world.

[ChiefPowhatan17]

Did anyone see anything good out of Holdman. On the radio, they didn't mention him, only rocky a few times. And how did McCune do, I heard he was a major player for our special teams. Is this true? Danny Smith supposedly likes him.

[FanFromArizona]

the starters will get their timing down, but the less they are on the field, the less is the chance of injuries in meaningless games and scrimmages..


which is the reason the starters will get the following amount of playing time:

PS Game 1: 2-4 series and OUT [chance to get timing down, prevent injuries]
PS Game 2: 1 quarter and OUT [more time to check out the timing of the line]
PS Game 3: At least 1 quarter and will be taken out during the 2nd quarter.
[are we ready for the regular season?]
PS Game 4: 1 quarter and out. [Work out the kinks and protect against injuries]


Also factor in that cuts occur rather early, so you need to decide pretty shortly who is the most likely to make the team as a backup. To make the best judgment you need to get as much gametime and film on these players.

[shally]

which is the reason the starters will get the following amount of playing time:

PS Game 1: 2-4 series and OUT [chance to get timing down, prevent injuries]
PS Game 2: 1 quarter and OUT [more time to check out the timing of the line]
PS Game 3: At least 1 quarter and will be taken out during the 2nd quarter.
[are we ready for the regular season?]
PS Game 4: 1 quarter and out. [Work out the kinks and protect against injuries]


Also factor in that cuts occur rather early, so you need to decide pretty shortly who is the most likely to make the team as a backup. To make the best judgment you need to get as much gametime and film on these players.

sounds like a good plan to me..

[shally]

Did anyone see anything good out of Holdman. On the radio, they didn't mention him, only rocky a few times. And how did McCune do, I heard he was a major player for our special teams. Is this true? Danny Smith supposedly likes him.

mccune won't make it solely as a special teamer this team.. he needs to show he can play the linebacker position as well.. i think there was a quote from lindsey saying about as much

[chrisbcbu]

Did anyone see anything good out of Holdman. On the radio, they didn't mention him, only rocky a few times. And how did McCune do, I heard he was a major player for our special teams. Is this true? Danny Smith supposedly likes him.

Holdman made a pretty good play from what i saw on TV and they mentioned him as well for it.

I didnt see too much out of Rocky. I think its about even with Holdman winning out solely based on experience.

[HanburgerBum]

According to Triple X radio's broadcast of the game, Bram Weinstein (I think) opined that Molinaro had a good game.

I have been one of Jim's most vocal critics. I sure hope I am wrong about him. But, it would take more than one scrimmage to convince me.

[shally]

According to Triple X radio's broadcast of the game, Bram Weinstein (I think) opined that Molinaro had a good game.

I have been one of Jim's most vocal critics. I sure hope I am wrong about him. But, it would take more than one scrimmage to convince me.

totally agree... this year he either plays his way onto, or off the team.. i suspect he is going to get a lot of action in the preseason..it would be tremendous if it worked out because he was not having a good camp up to this scrimmage.. maybe, he is just a "gamer".... at least i hope that to be the case..

[shally]

Holdman made a pretty good play from what i saw on TV and they mentioned him as well for it.

I didnt see too much out of Rocky. I think its about even with Holdman winning out solely based on experience.

i just do not see rocky starting until the second half of the season.. that is simply williams way of doing things.. we better hope that holdman is up to starting because it will mean a big hole at WLB if he is not..

[Jon Jansen is money]

Bram Weinstein reported during the post-game that Rocky had blown a big assignment during the scrimmage and that was why he wasn't on the field more.

I would not worry too much it is one play in one meaningless scrimmage by a rookie.

[shally]

Bram Weinstein reported during the post-game that Rocky had blown a big assignment during the scrimmage and that was why he wasn't on the field more.

I would not worry too much it is one play in one meaningless scrimmage by a rookie.

he is only going to get better with reps and he will get them in preseason.. once the red light goes on however, i do not expect to see much of rocky excepts on special teams or perhaps in a couple of blitz packages where his assignment is very clearly defined

[SonnyandSam]

I think Molinaro had a mixed game. He clearly got beat badly a number of times....but he also made some nice blocks both on passing and running downs.

In general, however, the backup O-line looked very bad...not just against the Ravens first string defense but also their backups.

IF I recall correctly, the starting O-line for the first 11 v 11 was:

LT Molinaro
LG Ndukwe
C Pucillo
RG Walters
RT Alston

Third string appear to be

LT
LG
C Harvey
RG Lefotu
RT Pino

Molinaro and Ndukwe got most of the playing time in the second and third 11 v 11. I didn't see anyone else playing the left side. I was also surprised not to see Woodward.

[shally]

I think Molinaro had a mixed game. He clearly got beat badly a number of times....but he also made some nice blocks both on passing and running downs.

In general, however, the backup O-line looked very bad...not just against the Ravens first string defense but also their backups.

IF I recall correctly, the starting O-line for the first 11 v 11 was:

LT Molinaro
LG Ndukwe
C Pucillo
RG Walters
RT Alston

Third string appear to be

LT
LG
C Harvey
RG Lefotu
RT Pino

Molinaro and Ndukwe got most of the playing time in the second and third 11 v 11. I didn't see anyone else playing the left side. I was also surprised not to see Woodward.

especially since woodard had been getting some positive reviews.. and even a mixed game would be a step up for molinaro..

[Canfan]

totally agree... this year he either plays his way onto, or off the team.. i suspect he is going to get a lot of action in the preseason..it would be tremendous if it worked out because he was not having a good camp up to this scrimmage.. maybe, he is just a "gamer".... at least i hope that to be the case..

Would that make Taylor Jacobs a practicer? LOL:rolleyes:

[Biggie]

Would that make Taylor Jacobs a practicer? LOL:rolleyes:

At this point, I do not consider Taylor Jacobs to be a member of the Washington Redskins.

[Redskin006]

Against their first string defense they looked terrible, but after that, as a whole, they looked very good. They struggled at moments, especially against their starters. But when their 2nd team came on they looked very good.

[shally]

Would that make Taylor Jacobs a practicer? LOL:rolleyes:

a former redskin to be...

[Red Bear]

from what i saw on tv, i dont think the backup oline looked too bad. in the first 11 on 11, campbell wasnt comfortable and held the ball too long perhaps causing the protection from the line to break down, and all though he didnt do too well passing in that series, he showed great 'escape ability'. the backup oline also needs time to gel just like our starters. and its unlikely all will be on the field at once when the regular season starts. if one of our starters go down, we replace him with a backup, not the entire backup line.

[colkurtz]

he is only going to get better with reps and he will get them in preseason.. once the red light goes on however, i do not expect to see much of rocky excepts on special teams or perhaps in a couple of blitz packages where his assignment is very clearly defined

GW is harsh with the new guys. He called out Dougherty on that TD. He's going to make the new guys work to be part of the team. People say Rocky will start - I just don't see it. That's not how GW brings people into the system. They earn there way in gradually.

In Japan they call it "pounding down the nails"....

[SkinsfaninNJ]

I loved seeing Brunell to Cooley over and over. Brunell looked comfortable and ready to do some damage this season. Campbell looked a little shaky but I didn't expect anything different really. Lumsden is a deity :D, and TJ still can't catch. All is well in the Skins world.


One of my observations from the scrimage is this offense has a million and one different looks for Cooley. This is going to be a fun season.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

I thought the second team O-line looked fine once they went up against the second team defense. They did some good things in the run game and gave Campbell a sufficient amount of time to throw.

I'm not concerned about the second team OL very much as a unit. What we need is two or three individual players to step up as backups. The second team Oline as a whole will never see the field together in a real game, so hopefully we have a few guys there who can play if forced into duty and the weak links can be cut.

I completely agree with this post, and I've seen this brought up a few other places, but it cannot be understated. People were surprised when Campbell came out to start the 11 on 11, but I was trying to point out to other fans in my section that it was our entire second team, no starting line, backs or receivers against what seemed to be the Ravens entire starting defense.

In fact, the only Raven I noticed that did not play was J. Lewis. I think our line did a fine job against a very difficult defense, and then when it was the Ravens second team D, that's when we started opening big running lanes.

[SonnyandSam]

from what i saw on tv, i dont think the backup oline looked too bad. in the first 11 on 11, campbell wasnt comfortable and held the ball too long perhaps causing the protection from the line to break down, and all though he didnt do too well passing in that series, he showed great 'escape ability'. the backup oline also needs time to gel just like our starters. and its unlikely all will be on the field at once when the regular season starts. if one of our starters go down, we replace him with a backup, not the entire backup line.

I saw just the opposite....I saw a front line that was letting the defense run thru them and put pressure on Campbell before he even had a chance to set up. Campbell would have been crushed several times if not for defensive linemen letting up.

You're right, the entire line would not go in. The point some of us are making is that few if any made a very positive impression. We're looking for a Ray Brown to step in when needed and not a Cory Raymer.........

[whitskins]

Something worth noting that I just recognized after rewatching the scrimmage for the 100th time:

During the first set of 11 on 11 drills when Campbell was going against the Ravens first team defense, he had one skip pass in the flat that was quite cringe worthy... Well, look closely and you'll see Nehemiah Broughton get the play mixed up and step on Campbell's leg just as he pulls back to make the throw.

So the throw wasn't really just a skipped pass, he got screwed up by his own guy. Not a big deal but just something worth pointing out because that is the throw that people are looking at with worry.

Also, I read somewhere that Brunell was 19/22 in his 7 on 7 drills. Holy crap! I know it's just 7 on 7 but 19/22 is pretty freaking good, especially because he was attacking down the field constantly and not just dumping the ball off every time. I can't wait to see this guy in the real games!

[IowaSkinsFan]

Commentators:

Lot of juice left in Brunell.

Chris Cooley for TD! "Underrated TE"

Chris Cooley dropped a high pass.

Brunell looks very sharp. Throwing bullets. Good pass to Cooley.

I was particularly happy to see Cooley running seam routes. I have waited two years to see him get behind the LB's like that.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Big Jim did a good job from what I could see on TV, I thought he looked particularly good in pass protection. His footwork, and lateral quickness were impressive to me.

Anybody know who #4 for the Ravens was that he was going against? Going into the scrimmage depth at T was my biggest concern, but I think Big Jim might just stick around after all.

If Molinaro doesn't make it, it won't be because he lacks the physical skills. I just don't remember seeing a more physically impressive OT.

[shally]

If Molinaro doesn't make it, it won't be because he lacks the physical skills. I just don't remember seeing a more physically impressive OT.

tandler has an alternative take on molinaro.. yesterday he about said that he was playing himself off the squad including the scrimmage..
not sure if it was a pay site but it is off of warpathinsiders.com

[IowaSkinsFan]

Molinaro looks to me like he is more suited to play RT and not go against the fastest pass rushers from the other team, footwork is a little slow.

[hail2skins]

I merged some of the scrimmage threads.

[redskin_rich]

For those of us that don't have the NFL Network or don't have a DVR, the scrimmage is on Comcast right now.

[danny's stogie]

For those of us that don't have the NFL Network or don't have a DVR, the scrimmage is on Comcast right now.

Hooking up my antenas as we speak...:cry:

[SonnyandSam]

Also, I read somewhere that Brunell was 19/22 in his 7 on 7 drills. Holy crap! I know it's just 7 on 7 but 19/22 is pretty freaking good, especially because he was attacking down the field constantly and not just dumping the ball off every time. I can't wait to see this guy in the real games!

That can't be right......I keep reading how old and fragile Mark Brunell is and that he could not possibly have another season like last year. I think we all were imagining all those completions........:D