NY Interested in Betts (Suggs Trade is Off)

[joethefan]

Found this on www.kffl.com

Jets | Team interested in Betts
Fri, 11 Aug 2006 06:31:22 -0700

Rich Cimini, of the New York Daily News, reports the New York Jets reportedly have some interest in Washington Redskins RB Ladell Betts.

[IowaSkinsFan]

More fuel for the Jesse Lumsden fire.

[danny's stogie]

Mangold or Justin Miller.

[AliBabba]

Found this on www.kffl.com

Jets | Team interested in Betts
Fri, 11 Aug 2006 06:31:22 -0700

Rich Cimini, of the New York Daily News, reports the New York Jets reportedly have some interest in Washington Redskins RB Ladell Betts.
I heard Joe Bugel say last night on the John Riggins show that the Skins were very interested in looking for a good backup RT... he went on to say that they monitor waivers and FA all the time, but that nothing out there appeals to them. They were looking for a veteran, because RT was the only backup OL position he wasn't extremely comfortable with. Finally he said we have a lot of talent at RB and would definitely consider a trade for a talented veteran tackle.

[CNYSkinFan]

I heard Joe Bugel say last night on the John Riggins show that the Skins were very interested in looking for a good backup RT... he went on to say that they monitor waivers and FA all the time, but that nothing out there appeals to them. They were looking for a veteran, because RT was the only backup OL position he wasn't extremely comfortable with. Finally he said we have a lot of talent at RB and would definitely consider a trade for a talented veteran tackle.
bugel doesn't make that decision though Gibbs would...but if Bugel is saying it then the top guys (Gibbs, Saunders and Bugel) havce probably talked about it. This may add some fire to the smoke.

[hail2skins]

Alright PA_Skins_Girl, what should our proposal be with the Jets? You see anything that would cause us to make this trade?

[AliBabba]

bugel doesn't make that decision though Gibbs would...but if Bugel is saying it then the top guys (Gibbs, Saunders and Bugel) havce probably talked about it. This may add some fire to the smoke.
Absolutely... I would never expect Buge's to make a comment like that, on the air no less, without having some type of reason from the decision makers to do so... I was actually shocked that he was being so candid, because not only does that suck to hear as being the only guy who the coaches aren't comfortable with on the 2nd line (but that's what tough love is I guess), but also that has to be a little disconcerting to hear if you are Betts. Because, honestly, I don't think anyone is looking to trade for Lumsden, Rock, or Nemo.

By the way, he specifically said, if a trade would happen it would like be early next week after teams have played their first preseason game and realize that they are happy (or unhappy) with certain positions

[BurgundyNGold]

You know, in another thread we were talking about how Betts would be a FA somewhere after next year. I silently wondered to myself who would be a candidate for Betts, and though I didn't post it, the Jets were the prime candidate in my mind. I thought, however, that next years's FA market might be too late for them because I don't think Curtis Martin has another good year left in him.

What sucks about the Jets is that they don't like trading draft picks, which is what we would probably want back. I think Betts warrants between a 2nd - 4th rounder, personally. Probably closer to a 4th since he is a FA next season. If Ashlie Lelie is supposedly worth a 2nd, Betts is definitely worth a 3rd or a 4th, if not the 2nd that Lelie is.

Maybe we could trade him for a top flight backup on the OL?

[AliBabba]

Alright PA_Skins_Girl, what should our proposal be with the Jets? You see anything that would cause us to make this trade?
how bout Mike Nugent

[PA Skins Girl]

Alright PA_Skins_Girl, what should our proposal be with the Jets? You see anything that would cause us to make this trade?
From a salary cap standpoint, we would gain space by trading him. Betts counts $850K to keep and would count $265K in dead cap if traded.

The question is, who would the Jets give us in return? They drafted D'Brick and Mangold, so maybe they have a starter from last year that is expendable.

[hail2skins]

You know, in another thread we were talking about how Betts would be a FA somewhere after next year. I silently wondered to myself who would be a candidate for Betts, and though I didn't post it, the Jets were the prime candidate in my mind. I thought, however, that next years's FA market might be too late for them because I don't think Curtis Martin has another good year left in him.

What sucks about the Jets is that they don't like trading draft picks, which is what we would probably want back. I think Betts warrants between a 2nd - 4th rounder, personally. Probably closer to a 4th since he is a FA next season. If Ashlie Lelie is supposedly worth a 2nd, Betts is definitely worth a 3rd or a 4th, if not the 2nd that Lelie is.

Maybe we could trade him for a top flight backup on the OL?With the talk I've heard of Betts being able to be a starter for a lot of other teams, I would want more than a 4th for him.

[danny's stogie]

With the talk I've heard of Betts being able to be a starter for a lot of other teams, I would want more than a 4th for him.

Yup, if he's going to the Jets to start then the Skins should be getting if not a starter, a solid contributor in return.

[AliBabba]

You know, in another thread we were talking about how Betts would be a FA somewhere after next year. I silently wondered to myself who would be a candidate for Betts, and though I didn't post it, the Jets were the prime candidate in my mind. I thought, however, that next years's FA market might be too late for them because I don't think Curtis Martin has another good year left in him.

What sucks about the Jets is that they don't like trading draft picks, which is what we would probably want back. I think Betts warrants between a 2nd - 4th rounder, personally. Probably closer to a 4th since he is a FA next season. If Ashlie Lelie is supposedly worth a 2nd, Betts is definitely worth a 3rd or a 4th, if not the 2nd that Lelie is.

Maybe we could trade him for a top flight backup on the OL?
I think we def need to address backup Tackle, since Jansen guards Brunell's blind side. Apparently Walter is looking pretty good on the Left side, but we need somebody behind Jansen. I will defer to the knowledge of those that know good second string right tackles around the league.

Also, I don't think we have a shot in hell to get a 2nd rounder for Betts. A certain Daunte Culpepper garnered that and he's pretty good. I know he was injured and all but GMs will consider recent trades when deciding what type of draft picks this season. Also, I don't think Gibbs parts with Betts for a draft pick b/c that only weakens this years team... he will only trade him for a player that can contribute in some manner this year.

[Hr fan]

I heard Joe Bugel say last night on the John Riggins show that the Skins were very interested in looking for a good backup RT... he went on to say that they monitor waivers and FA all the time, but that nothing out there appeals to them. They were looking for a veteran, because RT was the only backup OL position he wasn't extremely comfortable with. Finally he said we have a lot of talent at RB and would definitely consider a trade for a talented veteran tackle.

The problem with interviews is they are predictable. All draft choices are great and all drafting orgs are suprised that the players they selected were even available. By analogy, if Bugel said the OL couldn't improve with additional talent when 9-10 positions are available and anyone after the starters is at best unproiven or needs to take a giant step it would be news.

RB is a problem for several teams, like the Jets with the Curtis Martin uncertainty. What strikes me as unusual is the 'Skins willingness to start talks (a RB is available) rather than respond to offers. Makes the difference between a buyers or sellers market.

[CNYSkinFan]

With the talk I've heard of Betts being able to be a starter for a lot of other teams, I would want more than a 4th for him.
i would not want a draft pick at all. We need Betts this year as a backup RB. If we don't get a player that helps us this year (backup oline) then we leave ourselves pretty vulnerable this year for a 2nd day draft pick that we will just waste next year (come and get me Smoaky my boy!!!)

[danny's stogie]

I think we def need to address backup Tackle, since Jansen guards Brunell's blind side. Apparently Walter is looking pretty good on the Left side, but we need somebody behind Jansen. I will defer to the knowledge of those that know good second string right tackles around the league.

Also, I don't think we have a shot in hell to get a 2nd rounder for Betts. A certain Daunte Culpepper garnered that and he's pretty good. I know he was injured and all but GMs will consider recent trades when deciding what type of draft picks this season. Also, I don't think Gibbs parts with Betts for a draft pick b/c that only weakens this years team... he will only trade him for a player that can contribute in some manner this year.

Please, AJ Feeley was once traded for a 2nd rounder, point being, it all depends on the situation. Betts is supposed to play a key roll this season, I wouldn't give him up for free.

[BurgundyNGold]

With the talk I've heard of Betts being able to be a starter for a lot of other teams, I would want more than a 4th for him.
That's true, but folks like Gardner and Ramsey -- actual past starters -- only fetched a 6th, so I'm thinking that unless the Jets are desperate, we might not get too much better than a 4th. So, then you have to ask yourself if it's worth it. To me it's not, but a 2nd would be and a 3rd is 50/50, pardon the pun. ;)

[PennSkinsFan]

My only concern here is injury. If the coaches feel Rock, Nemo and anyone else is able to carry the load should somethign happen, then fine, but depth was an issue last year ont he OL and I don't wanna see it an issue at RB in 07because that would strangle this offense if there is no running threat.

[BurgundyNGold]

Please, AJ Feeley was once traded for a 2nd rounder, point being, it all depends on the situation. Betts is supposed to play a key roll this season, I wouldn't give him up for free.
Sadly, Dave Wanstadt doesn't need a RB, lol.

[BurgundyNGold]

My only concern here is injury. If the coaches feel Rock, Nemo and anyone else is able to carry the load should somethign happen, then fine, but depth was an issue last year ont he OL and I don't wanna see it an issue at RB in 07because that would strangle this offense if there is no running threat.
But that's why we would have... wait for it... Jesse Lumsden. :)

[CNYSkinFan]

But that's why we would have... wait for it... Jesse Lumsden. :)

:banghead:

[AliBabba]

Please, AJ Feeley was once traded for a 2nd rounder, point being, it all depends on the situation. Betts is supposed to play a key roll this season, I wouldn't give him up for free.
I would not trade Betts this year for a draft pick, I don't think the Gibbs will either. Our team is trying to address the few holes we have left to make a run deep into the playoffs. We aren't trying to create new ones. The only way we part w/ someone of Betts' caliber is if we are addressing a more glaring concern in doing so. Stock piling late first or early second day picks for next year does not satisfy any of the 2006 teams concerns.

[whistleandthumb]

I think he's already done too much work with Saunders to just be traded away. I can't imagine someone coming in now and being able to grasp the offense before the start of the season. However, it IS Betts' last year under contract, and if we're going to get something for him, maybe this is the time to do it.

[joethefan]

I would not trade Betts this year for a draft pick, I don't think the Gibbs will either. Our team is trying to address the few holes we have left to make a run deep into the playoffs. We aren't trying to create new ones. The only way we part w/ someone of Betts' caliber is if we are addressing a more glaring concern in doing so. Stock piling late first or early second day picks for next year does not satisfy any of the 2006 teams concerns.

I say pull the trigger....Betts has been hurt alot. And he finally got some time last year. I say it's time for rock to step up and be the man behind portis

[smoak]

I would not trade Betts this year for a draft pick, I don't think the Gibbs will either. Our team is trying to address the few holes we have left to make a run deep into the playoffs. We aren't trying to create new ones. The only way we part w/ someone of Betts' caliber is if we are addressing a more glaring concern in doing so. Stock piling late first or early second day picks for next year does not satisfy any of the 2006 teams concerns.

DING!
DING!
DING!

Winner, winner, chicken dinner. I don't see this happening unless the RBs are furthert than what has been reported.

[guinness4health]

With the talk I've heard of Betts being able to be a starter for a lot of other teams, I would want more than a 4th for him.

yeah demands have to start at a 2nd rounder.... although a conditional pick wouldn't be a bad compromise as I think he would excell as a starter....all though who knows if the jets are going to be a run first team this year

[BurgundyNGold]

yeah demands have to start at a 2nd rounder.... although a conditional pick wouldn't be a bad compromise as I think he would excell as a starter....all though who knows if the jets are going to be a run first team this year
Until he got hurt. Then you'd be stuck with the stink end of that stick.

[warpaint]

i wouldnt put a lot into this kffl report, i saw the same thing there yesterday where the jets were interested in several other running backs.

[AliBabba]

I can't even read your post cuz of your avatar

[padraic]

i think unless they knock us out we keep him

[bgforever]

Mangold or Justin Miller.

Good choices, IMO, because Betts is still good enough to produce good offense.

[GolfFreak]

I don't mind giving him up, but I agree it has to be for a player and not a draft pick. We are trying to win this year!

[silverspring]

Betts for Brick?

seriously if they are willing to give something decent up we should take it, we all know that he will be gone next year so why not get something for him. I am pretty comfortable with rock playing backup duty and i guess it is time for nemo to get his shot and of course the lumsden factor.

[AliBabba]

Betts for Brick?

seriously if they are willing to give something decent up we should take it, we all know that he will be gone next year so why not get something for him. I am pretty comfortable with rock playing backup duty and i guess it is time for nemo to get his shot and of course the lumsden factor.
I am sure they would do that, great way for Mangini to endear himself with the Jets faithful.... they would only do this if we threw in another quality player like Taylor Jacobs

[bgforever]

With the talk I've heard of Betts being able to be a starter for a lot of other teams, I would want more than a 4th for him.


That was my initial all along. The "strength" wouldn't be a Portis or Johnson but he compared to what I have seen, at least gives some teams far more punch in a backfield as their #2 compared to a lot others and certainly for the offense they have.

[bgforever]

I am sure they would do that, great way for Mangini to endear himself with the Jets faithful.... they would only do this if we threw in another quality player like Taylor Jacobs

Jacobs could at least stretch their field, uh .....ok I stop there :)

[Meatsnack]

The Jets Tackles are:

Ed Blanton
Height: 6'9"
Weight: 330 lbs
Birthday: 10-23-1982
Years in NFL: R
College: UCLA
Bio: Blanton was a three-year starter and four-year letterman for the UCLA Bruins. He was the undisputed leader of the Bruins? nationally ranked squad in 2005, started 36-of-37 games over the last past three seasons and helped Maurice Drew rush for over 1,900 yards in that span.
Big and productive in major college ball. Worth a look?

Marko Cavka
Height: 6'7"
Weight: 294 lbs
Birthday: 4-4-1981
Years in NFL: 1
College: Sacramento State
Bio: Allocated to NFL Europe on January 3, 2006. Originally selected by the Jets in the sixth round of the 2004 Draft with the #178 overall selection. Was inactive for all 16 regular season games and both playoff contests. Moved into the Sacramento State starting lineup his freshman year and went on to start 42 consecutive games. Split time at both tackle positions as a senior.
Not likely to survive camp.
Anthony Clement
Height: 6'8"
Weight: 320 lbs
Birthday: 4-10-1976
Years in NFL: 9
College: Louisiana-Lafayette
Bio: Clement, 30, is an eight-year veteran of the National Football League who spent last season as a member of the San Francisco 49ers. The 6-8, 320-pound native of Lafayette, LA signed with the 49ers on August 19, 2005, and went on to play in
14 games, making six starts at tackle. Clement was selected in the second round of the 1998 draft out of Southwestern Louisiana (now called Louisiana-Lafayette) by the Arizona Cardinals. In his eight-year career he has played in 96 games and made 75 starts.
Note that he could only start 6 games at tackle for the woeful 49ers.

D'Brickashaw Furguson
Height: 6'6"
Weight: 312 lbs
Birthday: 12-12-1983
Years in NFL: R
College: Virginia
Bio: You've probably heard of this guy. (http://newyorkjets.com/team/roster/show/1071?return_to_controller=player&return_to_page=2&return_to_action=show_active_players)

Adrian Jones
Height: 6'5"
Weight: 296 lbs
Birthday: 6-10-1981
Years in NFL: 3
College: Kansas
Selected by the Jets with their second fourth round selection (#143 overall) in the 2004 Draft. Appeared in 12 games during his rookie year, primarily on special teams. Started all 16 games in 2005. Played one season at tackle for Kansas after beginning his career as a tight end for the Jayhawks.
This guy might be a target for Betts of he is being supplanted by Furguson.

Steve Moreley
Height: 6'7"
Weight: 330 lbs
Birthday: 8-18-1981
Years in NFL: 2
College: St. Mary's University (Canada)
Bio: Acquired from the Green Bay Packers on September 4, 2005 in exchange for an undisclosed draft choice. Signed with GB as an FA on 2/3/04. Morley was drafted in the first round (first overall) by Calgary in the 2003 CFL Canadian College Draft and saw action in 11 Calgary games. Was a four-time football letterman (1999-2002) at St. Mary's University and participated in
three Vanier Cup Championships, helping pave the way for the national title in back-to-back seasons (2001-2002). Was a two time Atlantic Conference All-Star, earning conference 'Lineman of the Year' honors in 2002.
Listed as a Tackle/Guard. Lack of mobility or just versatile?

So who do the Jets trade for Betts? I will assume for purposes of this exercise that even the Jets are not dumb enough to trade us Furguson...

[CNYSkinFan]

Steve Moreley
Height: 6'7"
Weight: 330 lbs
Birthday: 8-18-1981
Years in NFL: 2
College: St. Mary's University (Canada)
Bio: Acquired from the Green Bay Packers on September 4, 2005 in exchange for an undisclosed draft choice. Signed with GB as an FA on 2/3/04. Morley was drafted in the first round (first overall) by Calgary in the 2003 CFL Canadian College Draft and saw action in 11 Calgary games. Was a four-time football letterman (1999-2002) at St. Mary's University and participated in
three Vanier Cup Championships, helping pave the way for the national title in back-to-back seasons (2001-2002). Was a two time Atlantic Conference All-Star, earning conference 'Lineman of the Year' honors in 2002.
Listed as a Tackle/Guard. Lack of mobility or just versatile?

So who do the Jets trade for Betts? I will assume for purposes of this exercise that even the Jets are not dumb enough to trade us Furguson...

Anybody from Canada I say wooo hoo. Trade Betts and rock for him!!

[BurgundyNGold]

I am sure they would do that, great way for Mangini to endear himself with the Jets faithful.... they would only do this if we threw in another quality player like Taylor Jacobs
:lol1:

[Redskinfan28]

Here is a list of OL Jets have in camp. Noone I can see that improve what we have, except the guys who the Jets will not trade:

C

Norm Katnik
Charles Missant
Trey Teague
Nick Mangold

OG

Brandon Moore
Pete Kendall
Doug Nienhuis
Isaac Snell

OT

Adrian Jones
Marko Cavka
Anthony Clement
D. Ferguson
Ed Blanton
Steve Morley

[RedskinsDave]

I don't like moving Betts at all. He's as good an insurance policy as anyone else in the league.

[hail2skins]

ahh, fandom.

We're talking like we're going to do this. LOL

[LATrueRedskin]

We have the leverage here in these talks, what with Curtis Martin's current situation. We can ask for a pretty big price, and if they don't take it, fine by me.

[helimech24]

I don't like moving Betts at all. He's as good an insurance policy as anyone else in the league.It would be worth it if we got a back-up vet for the OTs. We are weaker in that than RBs. Cartwright proved last year that he could run when Betts and Portis were hurt. To be honest, I kinda hoped that we traded Betts in the offseason for a OT because we do have THE ROCK!

[hail2skins]

I don't like moving Betts at all. He's as good an insurance policy as anyone else in the league.C'mon Dave, Jesse is our future back. :rolleyes:

[RedskinsDave]

C'mon Dave, Jesse is our future back. :rolleyes:

That's pretty funny unless we're moving to the CFL.

[Santheb]

That'd be awesome, having a Ramsey-Betts backfield with Coles at wideout.

oh wait it already happened here.

[WRSK1NS]

I say pull the trigger....Betts has been hurt alot. And he finally got some time last year. I say it's time for rock to step up and be the man behind portis
I agree. IMO Rock looked good in practice the couple times that I got to watch him...

[ConradCountry]

I like the idea of trading with the Jets maybe for an OL or Dwayne Robertson from what I hear he is on his way out in NY and he would be awesome in our rotation.

[colkurtz]

Bugel is just putting feelers out there on orders from Gibbs. Test to see what we can get for any of our RB. That tells me that they feel we are well stacked, or even over-stacked at RB. Betts is going to be a factor this season, but they must feel the drop-off isn't too high if he is traded.

It also tells me that they are looking for help at RT. I think that Jansen has been struggling in TC so far. He's got lots of time to work on it and is a solid veteran. But numerous fan reports [for what they're worth] are coming in on how even backup DTs are lighting him up. They need a very sold backup to Jansen in case he continues to struggle or is injured again.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

ehhh, i know ladell is a FA after this season, but id rather keep as a nice insurance policy for CP. al saunders really loves the guy, so im sure he wouldnt be too thrilled if he was traded.

[HanburgerBum]

These trade rumors are often manufactured by agents or imagined by desperate reporters. However, since the Skins and the Jets have a recent history in trades, there may be a kernel of truth here.

If the Skins are truly thinking of dealing a backup RB, it would have to be Betts, since none of the others have any trading value at this point. If Gibbs is willing to part with Betts, he must be confident that he has disovered a gem in Lumsden or Kerry Carter. As much as Joe likes Rock, deep down he must know that Cartwright can not be the prime back for any significant stretch of games. If the mundane running and receiving don't sink the team, the horrible pass-protection and the fumbling will.

[ConradCountry]

I would send Betts to New York for LT Adrian Jones and a 3rd or 4th round pick. We need some OL help to make it to the superbowl and Jones is a starting quality player.

[redwolf1218]

http://www.couchscout.com/jets.htm

there's the Jets squad. pick a trade partner.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

If we had the chance to get a decent, not too old, starting-caliber tackle (possibly somebody that could play guard if needed as well), I would gladly give up Betts. Or Patten. Or, is the guy was really good, both. But I highly doubt it's gonna happen.
Oh and one more thing..I keep hearing Betts projected as a starter somewhere next year..well, let's say that if he were the starting RB for my team, I wouldn't be too thrilled.

[redwolf1218]

If we had the chance to get a decent, not too old, starting-caliber tackle (possibly somebody that could play guard if needed as well), I would gladly give up Betts. Or Patten. Or, is the guy was really good, both. But I highly doubt it's gonna happen.
Oh and one more thing..I keep hearing Betts projected as a starter somewhere next year..well, let's say that if he were the starting RB for my team, I wouldn't be too thrilled.
i agree, but i dont think he can last a year as starter and i dont know if the Jets have a tackle worth trading for. see my previous post for the Jets' depth chart.

edit: maybe you feel the same way about him starting...i just dont he can do it and last a whole season. he cant even last a few games and/or practices so far here.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

i agree, but i dont think he can last a year as starter and i dont know if the Jets have a tackle worth trading for. see my previous post for the Jets' depth chart.

edit: maybe you feel the same way about him starting...i just dont he can do it and last a whole season. he cant even last a few games and/or practices so far here.
Yeah, we agree..so far he hasn't even lasted a whole year as a backup..and to be honest, he still has to prove to me that, if healthy, he is a good starter.
And I don't think the Jets would give us anybody good enough..but if some other team came knocking on the door, I would listen to what they had to say.

[CowboyKilla]

I love Betts but if the right deal came along i'd pull the trigger, being that he is gone next year. 3rd or 4th round pick or oline depth.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

I love Betts but if the right deal came along i'd pull the trigger, being that he is gone next year. 3rd or 4th round pick or oline depth.
Oline depth. Giving up Betts for nothing in return this year doesn't seem like a good idea to me..especially considering you have no idea what you might end up with when you pick in the lower rounds..

[FanFromArizona]

That'd be awesome, having a Ramsey-Betts backfield with Coles at wideout.

oh wait it already happened here.

:funpost: :jetsuk:

[shally]

With the talk I've heard of Betts being able to be a starter for a lot of other teams, I would want more than a 4th for him.

agree about him being a potential starter.. but this is the time to move him if we are going to.. next year he will be difficult to sign and not tradable
get a quality o line back up for him..

[shally]

Oline depth. Giving up Betts for nothing in return this year doesn't seem like a good idea to me..especially considering you have no idea what you might end up with when you pick in the lower rounds..

our draft skills leave something to be desired. take a player we can use this year..

[FanFromArizona]

I have many thoughts on this topic:

1. People say that we should keep him for backup this year, but acknowledge that we are probably going to lose him next year. Truthfully, it's a question of timing as to when we have to face the fact that we no longer will have Betts' services. While it may be true we can keep him this year and resign him in the offseason, there are other possible mutations of this that I have considered:


a. Trade Betts to the Jets, he has a bad year despite his best efforts during a contract year. His negotiating power is reduced, and he can come back to us through FA at a reduced rate. We lose an established veteran RB but provide game experience to our youngsters. Getting younger at the RB, especially at the BACKUP position, might not be so bad either. Trading Betts will free up a roster spot that we can allocate to one of our young RBs. We can trade Betts for a 3rd rounder, which could turn out to be early in the round, or we can trade it for an established Olineman. I would prefer an extra draft pick so that we can allocate the roster spot to someone on the roster right now. Would we need an effective backup RB all the time? How about this: To spell relief for Portis, go to the shotgun with a 4 WR + 1 TE formation? We could feature Portis and Sellers, put the youngsters in on spot duty to give them the game experience and provide relief to Portis, and then use "all receiver" formations on 3rd downs and be just fine without Betts.
Do we have depth at RB that we need to judge? Yes, we need to find out what we have in Manny, Nemo, Jesse, and Kerry.

b. Keep Betts, lose him in FA next year, if used he would take away minutes from the youngsters, and risk having his replacement gets plucked from the PS or not returning. No trade means no draft pick/backup lineman, so the net effect of this is possible loss of 3 players [Betts, backup RB, and draft pick/backup lineman]

There are other possibilities, but these are the 2 most likely scenarios I see.

[redskin_rich]

We need to worry about now. Free agency, the draft, that's all over. We have our team, this is not the time to make a significant change. If the Jets like Betts, they should have come to the table back in March.
If we lose Betts in the offseason, so be it, we'll get compensated in the draft. For now, we need him.
This is a non issue, Gibbs doesn't make knee-jerk decisions.

[bgforever]

We need to worry about now. Free agency, the draft, that's all over. We have our team, this is not the time to make a significant change. If the Jets like Betts, they should have come to the table back in March.
If we lose Betts in the offseason, so be it, we'll get compensated in the draft. For now, we need him.
This is a non issue, Gibbs doesn't make knee-jerk decisions.


wit you on this.

http://hailredskins.com/vbforum/showthread.php?t=35447&page=26

Fact is JL is gone if he can't compete during the next few games and I agree he shouldn't take an IR spot (those we need for the 53 man roster guy's SOLID backups - that is folks already part of the depth from git go). Carter's getting the nod to run some more in preseason, but like JL, had NO guarantee, like Espy, he's got a spot. Folks this is the BEST personnel situation we have had in over a decade, and I agree, JG aint about to blow it now!

[DCassain21]

i would be very pleased to get a good back up for the tackle pos.....does anyone kno the back-ups on the jets

[GibbsFan]

if we can get Ferguson, next year's 2nd rounder plus the 08 2nd rounder then it would be worth the risk, otherwise NO!!!

[shally]

if we can get Ferguson, next year's 2nd rounder plus the 08 2nd rounder then it would be worth the risk, otherwise NO!!!

tht is unrealistic..he is not worth that kind of package, no way..

[redwolf1218]

i've never understood why Betts was drafted at his spot in the first place. a trade would be welcome, but i'm tired of trading high picks for low picks. that's not how you work the draft. a 1st rounder like Ramsey for a 5th rounder is not good sense. a high pick for Betts (and it would have to be a high pick since Betts was inexplicably taken in the 3rd round) would be appropriate.

[shally]

i've never understood why Betts was drafted at his spot in the first place. a trade would be welcome, but i'm tired of trading high picks for low picks. that's not how you work the draft. a 1st rounder like Ramsey for a 5th rounder is not good sense. a high pick for Betts (and it would have to be a high pick since Betts was inexplicably taken in the 3rd round) would be appropriate.

it does not work that way.. culpepper went from being the ? #9 pick overall to worth a second rounder.. that is just the way it goes.
betts was a second rounder but there is nothing to indicate he is going tobe worth even that in trade.. he was probably a reach where he was taken .

i think we are better getting a player in trade for betts..

[redskin_rich]

You don't trade a player for a draft pick at this point unless you had no plans for the player in the first place. That is not the case with Betts, he is our backup and will get significant playing time in every game.

What good is any draft pick in '07 going to do us if Portis misses a game or two this year?

What good is a backup lineman, from a team that has a far worse starting line than us, going to do when Portis needs a breather?

This conjecture is really getting silly.

[redwolf1218]

it does not work that way.. culpepper went from being the ? #9 pick overall to worth a second rounder.. that is just the way it goes.
betts was a second rounder but there is nothing to indicate he is going tobe worth even that in trade.. he was probably a reach where he was taken .

i think we are better getting a player in trade for betts..
he was definitely a reach, i was sittin there that day looking at my printouts and he was no where in sight...i did some research thinking maybe he was a good pass catcher out of the backfield or something, and he had like 12 catches, and i was like what the ?!!?. reminded me of the kenard lang pick, only worse.

[shally]

he was definitely a reach, i was sittin there that day looking at my printouts and he was no where in sight...i did some research thinking maybe he was a good pass catcher out of the backfield or something, and he had like 12 catches, and i was like what the ?!!?. reminded me of the kenard lang pick, only worse.

he does have good hands out of the backfield.. better than portis's. especially if you read Joe's comments just posted. portis can make the catch, but nobody is going to say he reminds them of Edge when it comes down to it.
i think they just did not use betts as a receiver as much as they could have. that will change under saunders, i believe.. if they keep him.

also, kerry carter is getting praise for his hands, which are smooth.. again, see Joe's comments

[redwolf1218]

he does have good hands out of the backfield.. better than portis's. especially if you read Joe's comments just posted. portis can make the catch, but nobody is going to say he reminds them of Edge when it comes down to it.
i think they just did not use betts as a receiver as much as they could have. that will change under saunders, i believe.. if they keep him.

also, kerry carter is getting praise for his hands, which are smooth.. again, see Joe's comments
betts has good hands? he had like 12 catches coming out of college, that's why i wonderd why he was drafted.

[bgforever]

i've never understood why Betts was drafted at his spot in the first place. a trade would be welcome, but i'm tired of trading high picks for low picks. that's not how you work the draft. a 1st rounder like Ramsey for a 5th rounder is not good sense. a high pick for Betts (and it would have to be a high pick since Betts was inexplicably taken in the 3rd round) would be appropriate.


This should tell anyone TRADING, though it can be done is not wise. With a guy vying for the almost out of the picture now, a guy competing for a backup spot yet to feel the kind of heat a preseason game will bring as opposed to a practice game, let alone the regular season, but still bringing it and the incumbent backup to Portis oft injured, is not a time to make the deal. Its tempting but the timing is odd.

Oh I get it, we trade Betts to the Jets, Parcells calls his old team and gets Betts, and the Jets get somebody from the Cowboys. j/k

[redwolf1218]

This should tell anyone TRADING, though it can be done is not wise. With a guy vying for the almost out of the picture now, a guy competing for a backup spot yet to feel the kind of heat a preseason game will bring as opposed to a practice game, let alone the regular season, but still bringing it and the incumbent backup to Portis oft injured, is not a time to make the deal. Its tempting but the timing is odd.

Oh I get it, we trade Betts to the Jets, Parcells calls his old team and gets Betts, and the Jets get somebody from the Cowboys. j/k
i agree, Betts is not worth much.

[shally]

This should tell anyone TRADING, though it can be done is not wise. With a guy vying for the almost out of the picture now, a guy competing for a backup spot yet to feel the kind of heat a preseason game will bring as opposed to a practice game, let alone the regular season, but still bringing it and the incumbent backup to Portis oft injured, is not a time to make the deal. Its tempting but the timing is odd.

Oh I get it, we trade Betts to the Jets, Parcells calls his old team and gets Betts, and the Jets get somebody from the Cowboys. j/k

if the jets trade for betts they want him.. i don't see them trading coles or ramsey to the cowboys.. no reason to feel that tuna is trolling for betts

[redwolf1218]

i meant to say, Betts is worth a lot.

[RedskinRyan]

unless this deal is heavily in favor to us, dont do it. we could use betts more than some second or third tier player.

[shally]

unless this deal is heavily in favor to us, dont do it. we could use betts more than some second or third tier player.

every report from camp has saunders gushing over betts. i would think he would have to sign off on any trade.

the ONLY reason i can think to trade him now is that he has value now but after this season when he is a free agent we will not be able to trade him at all. if they have decided they are going to lose him anyway then they would balance what they can get for him now as opposed to what they expect he will contribute this year.

[colkurtz]

Betts is going to be in the game at least a third of the plays - probably 6-10 runs per game. Also, this will be a two back offense which will increase his play time.

Betts is going to really contribute to this team and we need an experienced and solid backup to Portis. He'll also be playing very hard to increase his value next year.

We're playing for this year, not trading an important player for future mid-level draft picks.

It's either a player-to-player trade for a position the coaches are really worried about, or nothing but fan speculation.

[shally]

Betts is going to be in the game at least a third of the plays - probably 6-10 runs per game. Also, this will be a two back offense which will increase his play time.

Betts is going to really contribute to this team and we need an experienced and solid backup to Portis. He'll also be playing very hard to increase his value next year.

We're playing for this year, not trading an important player for future mid-level draft picks.

It's either a player-to-player trade for a position the coaches are really worried about, or nothing but fan speculation.

you are absolutely correct that this is a contract year for betts and i expect him to bust his hump mightily..

also, agreed that the last thing the skins need is more mid level picks in exchange for a player who should be productive. the only trade that makes sense to me is for a back up o lineman who could play starter if needed

[SpicyMcHaggis]

you are absolutely correct that this is a contract year for betts and i expect him to bust his hump mightily..

also, agreed that the last thing the skins need is more mid level picks in exchange for a player who should be productive. the only trade that makes sense to me is for a back up o lineman who could play starter if needed
Definitely. I don't think I have to remind you guys what happened in the Seattle game when Ray Brown went down..and right now there is no indication we are much better off if that same situation were to present itself.

[smoot]

Definitely. I don't think I have to remind you guys what happened in the Seattle game when Ray Brown went down..and right now there is no indication we are much better off if that same situation were to present itself.


ugh, and i had forced myself to forget, thanks alot spicy

[bigcmr]

You don't trade a player for a draft pick at this point unless you had no plans for the player in the first place. That is not the case with Betts, he is our backup and will get significant playing time in every game.

What good is any draft pick in '07 going to do us if Portis misses a game or two this year?

What good is a backup lineman, from a team that has a far worse starting line than us, going to do when Portis needs a breather?

This conjecture is really getting silly.

I agree im not too interested in trading Betts at this point. Unless we totally rip them off. And I like Rock as a special teamer or on a few plays a game but he is not an ideal back up.

[Smiley]

Betts can be a productrive back given the chance to start. He has the good size and speed and is a "down hill" runner. He hasn't ha dthe chance to start on a regular basis. Health is the only issue with Betts. I can see trading him and if he stays healthy, producing 1,000 yard season. I really don't want to trade him just in case Portis gets hurt. Boss Hog is challenging his backups and put them on notice.

[helimech24]

I heard today that the Jets are interested in trading with the Browns for Lee Suggs. So there is probably no truth to Betts leaving.

[AliBabba]

I heard today that the Jets are interested in trading with the Browns for Lee Suggs. So there is probably no truth to Betts leaving.
I don't necessarily think that them looking at Suggs means they aren't interested in Betts. If anything, if they are considering making a trade with a team for RB at this stage, then this makes this scenario all the more real. That being said, I stick to my original statement:

Gibbs and the FO have built a team that is poised to make a very deep run in the playoffs this year. We have no glaring needs, but a few minor ones. Probably the biggest is lack of depth on the OL. The ONLY way they make this deal, is if negative impact of Betts leaving is smaller the the positive impact of the new player at the other position THIS year. Regardless of whether Betts will be here next year or not, he is here now - and we need him. You don't trade an important part of a team with such high aspirations for now, for a draft pick for somebody that might be good later.

[helimech24]

We definitely don't need to trade for a draft pick. If we are giving up our primary back up at RB, we should get a player for a player.

[shally]

Definitely. I don't think I have to remind you guys what happened in the Seattle game when Ray Brown went down..and right now there is no indication we are much better off if that same situation were to present itself.

we are better off as long as raymer is not on the roster
:lol1:
but seriously, that is an area of concern. we should get some idea how thin we are based upon the line play this weekend

[akhhorus]

They can have Betts for Pete McMahon and a conditional pick. I like Betts, and he is a good back; but I think that we have sufficient depth with Rock, Lumdsen and Carter behind him to spell Portis from time to time. Betts is a good returner, but what bothers me is his constant fumbling. McMahon is a massive OT who needs some work, but could be a great backup.

[shally]

They can have Betts for Pete McMahon and a conditional pick. I like Betts, and he is a good back; but I think that we have sufficient depth with Rock, Lumdsen and Carter behind him to spell Portis from time to time. Betts is a good returner, but what bothers me is his constant fumbling. McMahon is a massive OT who needs some work, but could be a great backup.

this is the kind of trade i would make in a heartbeat.. but you gotta figure that saunders would have a lot of say about it. he has been positively effusive in his praise of betts this preseason.. might be why they are taking looks at guys like kennedy and wade- trying to fill the reserve tackle role without giving up betts.
i expect to see him in the cincy game-- hope he doesn't crack something

[RicFlairOne]

this is the kind of trade i would make in a heartbeat.. but you gotta figure that saunders would have a lot of say about it. he has been positively effusive in his praise of betts this preseason.. might be why they are taking looks at guys like kennedy and wade- trying to fill the reserve tackle role without giving up betts.
i expect to see him in the cincy game-- hope he doesn't crack something

I agree 100%. However, Betts, Portis, or any RB for that matter is only as good as their O-line is. I like the idea of an OT plus a conditional pick in 2007 based on Betts performance. I'd hate to see him go, but the Skins have put themselves in a bind by not addressing this in the offseason.

[BurgundyNGold]

I agree 100%. However, Betts, Portis, or any RB for that matter is only as good as their O-line is. I like the idea of an OT plus a conditional pick in 2007 based on Betts performance. I'd hate to see him go, but the Skins have put themselves in a bind by not addressing this in the offseason.
That's kind of what I'm thinking on this. And, if Pennington is out, the Jets will need to rely on their running game that uch more with Ramsey at QB.

BTW, your avatar trips me out every time I see it, lol.

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

[HanburgerBum]

They can have Betts for Pete McMahon and a conditional pick. I like Betts, and he is a good back; but I think that we have sufficient depth with Rock, Lumdsen and Carter behind him to spell Portis from time to time. Betts is a good returner, but what bothers me is his constant fumbling. McMahon is a massive OT who needs some work, but could be a great backup.


Who is Pete McMahon? I couldn't find any listing for him at NFLPlayers.com. What team is he on and is he a tackle with starting capabilities?

[BurgundyNGold]

Who is Pete McMahon? I couldn't find any listing for him at NFLPlayers.com. What team is he on and is he a tackle with starting capabilities?
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/552578

EDIT: Now I'm confused...

http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=149&p=8&c=1&nid=2443104

EDIT of EDIT: Here's his college draft profile

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/2005draft/Mcmahon,Pete-OT+OG-Iowa.htm

[helimech24]

That's kind of what I'm thinking on this. And, if Pennington is out, the Jets will need to rely on their running game that uch more with Ramsey at QB.

BTW, your avatar trips me out every time I see it, lol.

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!It's not if, it is when Pennington gets his shoulder rocked again, Ramsey will be starting. :jetsuk:

[FanFromArizona]

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/552578

EDIT: Now I'm confused...

http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=149&p=8&c=1&nid=2443104


Scout URL you provide shows [on left side] Browns release offensive lineman.....

I will only venture to guess that scout's has not updated their website.

[helimech24]

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/552578

EDIT: Now I'm confused...

http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=149&p=8&c=1&nid=2443104

EDIT of EDIT: Here's his college draft profile

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/2005draft/Mcmahon,Pete-OT+OG-Iowa.htmMake up our minds!!!

[BurgundyNGold]

OK, well it looks like this Pete McMahon was drafted by Oakland in 2005 (6th) and then subsequently released or traded. He's now on the Jets. I have NO idea how Scout.com has him listed as a Cleveland Brown unless he got to the Jets via Oakland by way of Cleveland.

In any case, he seems like a journeyman, which we already seem to have a full compliment of as backups.

[HanburgerBum]

The Skins right now appear to have a serious concern at Oline depth, particularly at tackle. Trading Betts would at first blush create a concern of quality backup at RB.

So, the issue whether to trade Betts for a proven backup Olineman really comes down to which does the team perceive to be the greater concern.

As someone pointed earlier (Shally, I think), no RB can do much if the Oline breaks down (remember the Seattle playoff game?). So, the risk may be greater for the Skins to be so bare behind the starting Oline compared to Lumsden and/or Kerry Carter backing up Portis (I am not even mentioning Rock, whom I don't consider a legitimate prime back).

[helimech24]

The Skins right now appear to have a serious concern at Oline depth, particularly at tackle. Trading Betts would at first blush create a concern of quality backup at RB.

So, the issue whether to trade Betts for a proven backup Olineman really comes down to which does the team perceive to be the greater concern.

As someone pointed earlier (Shally, I think), no RB can do much if the Oline breaks down (remember the Seattle playoff game?). So, the risk may be greater for the Skins to be so bare behind the starting Oline compared to Lumsden and/or Kerry Carter backing up Portis (I am not even mentioning Rock, whom I don't consider a legitimate prime back).He proved last year that could at least be good for a couple of games, 3 max I think. So unless Portis goes down for the count, I wouldn't doubt Rock so easily.

[FanFromArizona]

It's not if, it is when Pennington gets his shoulder rocked again, Ramsey will be starting. :jetsuk:


Wow, I can just imagine Ramsey and Coles facing our first team defense on 8/19 if this is true about Pennington. Add in Betts on a trade, shudders at the thought

[helimech24]

Wow, I can just imagine Ramsey and Coles facing our first team defense on 8/19 if this is true about Pennington. Add in Betts on a trade, shudders at the thoughtNow that would be ironic, huh?

[akhhorus]

Wow, I can just imagine Ramsey and Coles facing our first team defense on 8/19 if this is true about Pennington. Add in Betts on a trade, shudders at the thought

And that game is at Fedex. I think Snyder should hire extra security in case KeepRamsey and Paintedbird run out of the field with Karoke machines and decide that this is their moment to tell Patrick how they feel about him

[FanFromArizona]

Now that would be ironic, huh?

No I think I would call it Body Bag Game II. Can we spell T-A-R-G-E-T and
O-U-C-H?

[shally]

Wow, I can just imagine Ramsey and Coles facing our first team defense on 8/19 if this is true about Pennington. Add in Betts on a trade, shudders at the thought

i would not worry what the skin-jets do to us in a preseason game any more than i worried what 50-50 gardner would do after he managed to catch a TD pass for the panthers against us in last preseason..
i just hope ramsey plays well for his own benefit

[FanFromArizona]

i would not worry what the skin-jets do to us in a preseason game any more than i worried what 50-50 gardner would do after he managed to catch a TD pass for the panthers against us in last preseason..
i just hope ramsey plays well for his own benefit


with the "shuddering at the thought" comment I was referring to what OUR defense would do to Ramsey and Coles, I think there would be extra incentive for us to put an extra hurting on them.

[helimech24]

No I think I would call it Body Bag Game II. Can we spell T-A-R-G-E-T and
O-U-C-H?Smith from ESPN thinks ST hit Mike Anderson hard, Betts would not get up after ST does it to him, lol.

[shally]

with the "shuddering at the thought" comment I was referring to what OUR defense would do to Ramsey and Coles, I think there would be extra incentive for us to put an extra hurting on them.

now, that is another matter.. still, i expect that williams will play it very conservative in his blitz calls.. the pressure will come from 1 on 1 matchups..

[HanburgerBum]

He proved last year that could at least be good for a couple of games, 3 max I think. So unless Portis goes down for the count, I wouldn't doubt Rock so easily.


I believe Rock had only 29 carries last year and the bulk of them came against the hapless Rams defense. There is just nothing about him that says prime back. Mundane running and receiving skills, horrible at pass-protection and questionable hands.

I certainly wouldn't want to depend upon Rock as a prime back for more than a couple of quarters at the most.

[OCSKINSFAN]

I believe Rock had only 29 carries last year and the bulk of them came against the hapless Rams defense. There is just nothing about him that says prime back. Mundane running and receiving skills, horrible at pass-protection and questionable hands.

I certainly wouldn't want to depend upon Rock as a prime back for more than a couple of quarters at the most.

I agree with your evaluation. I don't even like him as the third string back for those reasons (If Portis was out, he would be splitting time with, and be the backup to, the second stringer).

[shally]

I believe Rock had only 29 carries last year and the bulk of them came against the hapless Rams defense. There is just nothing about him that says prime back. Mundane running and receiving skills, horrible at pass-protection and questionable hands.

I certainly wouldn't want to depend upon Rock as a prime back for more than a couple of quarters at the most.

exactly my sentiment.. plus, that critical fumble against the chiefs still bothers me. and rocks blocking skills are really poor

[helimech24]

I believe Rock had only 29 carries last year and the bulk of them came against the hapless Rams defense. There is just nothing about him that says prime back. Mundane running and receiving skills, horrible at pass-protection and questionable hands.

I certainly wouldn't want to depend upon Rock as a prime back for more than a couple of quarters at the most.IMO, I think he is a better back than Betts is. He is at least a change of pace for Portis. Portis and Betts are too much the same with Betts being a lot less effective.

[FanFromArizona]

Smith from ESPN thinks ST hit Mike Anderson hard, Betts would not get up after ST does it to him, lol.

"Humpty Dumpty had a big fall.....and all the king's men could not put humpty dumpty back together." LOL.

[shally]

IMO, I think he is a better back than Betts is. He is at least a change of pace for Portis. Portis and Betts are too much the same with Betts being a lot less effective.

humbly disagree with you on that one.. betts has proved he could move the chains, catch the ball, and not fumble when portis went down. yes, they are similar backs in the sense that both are complete backs.. rock is a special teamer and has some ability as a short yardage back.. that is all i would feel comfortable with him providing for the team.

[silverspring]

I was thinking that if there really is legs to their interest, we actually might have control of it. First of all next week we could destroy the jets running game and make their running backs look really bad, which shouldn't be too hard. Then we can give betts the ball and let him make a statement to them.
If we can get a 4th rounder or higher i would take it, betts was relatively healthy last year so he is due to be injured this year and will be gone after that. If he stays i won't be unhappy cause he is definitely a contributor but if we can get something for him lets do it.

[FanFromArizona]

now, that is another matter.. still, i expect that williams will play it very conservative in his blitz calls.. the pressure will come from 1 on 1 matchups..

I was just talking about the intensity of the tackles....as in the laying of the wood.

I would not want to be the statue Ramsey is with the likes of our first team DLine aiming for you, or be Coles facing the prospect of having AA or ST finishing off a tackle on Coles.

THAT is what I was referring to.

[shally]

I was just talking about the intensity of the tackles....as in the laying of the wood.

I would not want to be the statue Ramsey is with the likes of our first team DLine aiming for you, or be Coles facing the prospect of having AA or ST finishing off a tackle on Coles.

THAT is what I was referring to.

our starters are going to be in and out so fast they probably won't have to worry about those guys.

[FanFromArizona]

our starters are going to be in and out so fast they probably won't have to worry about those guys.


not THAT fast, remember it's the second game, I would expect the starters in for a quarter for our second game.

[shally]

not THAT fast, remember it's the second game, I would expect the starters in for a quarter for our second game.

yeh, but ram won't get in until the 4th quarter the way things are going for him in NY:lol1:

[FanFromArizona]

yeh, but ram won't get in until the 4th quarter the way things are going for him in NY:lol1:

My original point was that if Pennington was hurt and Ramsey was the starter for our preseason week2 matchup, we would have another Body Bag Game with Ramsey and Coles.

[helimech24]

My original point was that if Pennington was hurt and Ramsey was the starter for our preseason week2 matchup, we would have another Body Bag Game with Ramsey and Coles.And that would be a great thing. Punishing both of them for the crappy play they had here.

[FanFromArizona]

And that would be a great thing. Punishing both of them for the crappy play they had here.

bwahahaha

A firing range of sorts. These players are marked with a bullseye already.

[helimech24]

bwahahaha

A firing range of sorts. These players are marked with a bullseye already.Huge Red Ones. The type that go over the whole person and not a little dot on the back. Our defense is going to see blood in their eyes just looking at them.

[HanburgerBum]

They can have Betts for Pete McMahon and a conditional pick. I like Betts, and he is a good back; but I think that we have sufficient depth with Rock, Lumdsen and Carter behind him to spell Portis from time to time. Betts is a good returner, but what bothers me is his constant fumbling. McMahon is a massive OT who needs some work, but could be a great backup.


From BNG's post, it appears that McMahon is a low round (6th) pick reject from Oakland, who may also have been rejected by Cleveland. It's not clear he has even played in a regular season game. That surely doesn't look like a strong resume.

What makes you think McMahon will be quality depth this season? Since the Skins are looking for the SB this year, it's important that a backup be ready to play and is not just a future developmental prospect.

[akhhorus]

From BNG's post, it appears that McMahon is a low round (6th) pick reject from Oakland, who may also have been rejected by Cleveland. It's not clear he has even played in a regular season game. That surely doesn't look like a strong resume.

What makes you think McMahon will be quality depth this season? Since the Skins are looking for the SB this year, it's important that a backup be ready to play and is not just a future developmental prospect.

HB, you're not going to get Brad Hopkins or Will Shields in here as a backup. McMahon, I believe, is a project with great size and ability to play both Guard and Tackle. You will not get a ready made player on the OL from any team just offering Ladell Betts around. And I would like to point out that both Cleveland and Oakland's "Brain trust" is hardly high wattage.

[HanburgerBum]

IMO, I think he is a better back than Betts is. He is at least a change of pace for Portis. Portis and Betts are too much the same with Betts being a lot less effective.


I don't believe any Redskins coach thinks Rock is better than Betts (at least, not Al Saunders, and he is the one any offensive player needs to impress). Even Gibbs, who supposedly loves Rock, didn't put Cartwright ahead of Ledell in the rotation. About the only advantage I think Rock has is that he seems to be more durable than Ledell.

As for this "change of pace" thing, I really don't see where Rock is that with respect to Portis. Also, I have never considered that to be a big deal. For instance, if your prime back starter is good in all aspects of the position, would a "change of pace" back be someone who is bad or mediocre? Trung Canidate was supposed to be a "chance of pace" to Steven Davis; how did that work out? Wouldn't you want your backup to be someone who is just like your stud prime back but maybe not quite as good?

[ConradCountry]

Betts to the Jets for OT Adiran Jones and a 4th round pick.

[helimech24]

Betts to the Jets for OT Adiran Jones and a 4th round pick.Sounds good to me. Best of both worlds- a pick and a lineman.

[shally]

Sounds good to me. Best of both worlds- a pick and a lineman.

might be the best deal we could get for him

[hockeygoalie29]

Anybody still think we should trade Betts?

[RedskinRyan]

Anybody still think we should trade Betts?

depending on kerry carter's status, maybe we should hold off on it. im not too confident in rock, and lumsden isnt god yet.

[superskin]

Anybody still think we should trade Betts?


Not a chance. The Portis injury isnt THAT serious, but this is a wake-up call that if we were to lose Portis during the year, we would have a tough time if Betts is dealt.

[smoak]

I really question the sanity of anyone who wants to trade Betss now.

[AliBabba]

I really question the sanity of anyone who wants to trade Betss now.
me 2

[colkurtz]

Is this thread dead yet? How about if we agree to make this the last comment?

[hockeygoalie29]

Is this thread dead yet? How about if we agree to make this the last comment?

Agreed. :)

[darkwing99]

Well the Jets just picked up Lee Suggs from KC for Derrick Strait, CB.........so this trade talk is officially dead.....per ESPN news.

[shally]

Well the Jets just picked up Lee Suggs from KC for Derrick Strait, CB.........so this trade talk is officially dead.....per ESPN news.

time to lock this baby down for good..

[Redskin4Life]

Here's the ESPN article to end this thread...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2549358

[NCskinsfanatic]

Yep that's it... Suggs will get a shot for gang green and after he takes a few himself, he'll probably be on IR...lol.

[ConradCountry]

THis thread is dead Betts may ne4ed to start.

[ryflan47]

Unless NY aquires Larry Johnson, I don't think we're giving them Betts.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Time to put this one to bed.

[smoak]

Is this thread dead yet? How about if we agree to make this the last comment?

Considering Lee Suggs just failed his physical and the deal is off, I think the thread will come back to life.

:D

No link b/c it was reported on the radio.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Considering Lee Suggs just failed his physical and the deal is off, I think the thread will come back to life.

:D

No link b/c it was reported on the radio.

Considering the Portis injury, I think the chance of trading Betts is somewhere between 0 and nothing. Even less of a chance than we had last year of trading Ramsey to the Jets after the Pennington injury.

This thread would come back to life if we reopened it, but I don't think we should.