Coles on Trading Block

[danny's stogie]

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Jets | Team could move Coles
Sat, 2 Sep 2006 06:41:12 -0700

John Clayton, of ESPN, reports the New York Jets could possibly trade WR Laveranues Coles in an effort to upgrade their wide-receiver position. Clayton expects the Jets to be a very busy team this weekend.

Looks like Coles wasn't satisfied with his new house...he wants to build a Jacksonville version of Michael Jackson's Neverland Ranch.

[Camden]

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Looks like Coles wasn't satisfied with his new house...he wants to build a Jacksonville version of Michael Jackson's Neverland Ranch.

darn that's cold. is that a play on his childhood abuse?

[danny's stogie]

dayum that's cold. is that a play on his childhood abuse?

Ugh, I guess renounce my stance on making fun of the abused. Sorry Coles, but you bring this on yourself.

[The Skinsinator]

I think it's just pretty evident that Coles really is only an average receiver now. He was better than that when he first came in the nfl but I think now he really is just an everyday regular receiver.

[RedskinRyan]

think coles was supposed to be part of the branch deal?

[danny's stogie]

think coles was supposed to be part of the branch deal?

Good call. I could definitely see that.

[Camden]

I think it's just pretty evident that Coles really is only an average receiver now. He was better than that when he first came in the nfl but I think now he really is just an everyday regular receiver.

Coles needs to be a #2. Put a top 8 WR opposite him and he'd be an above-average #2 receiver, FWIW.

[BurgundyNGold]

Coles won't fix his toe, so he gets what he gets. Ha!

[FanFromArizona]

Coles needs to be a #2. Put a top 8 WR opposite him and he'd be an above-average #2 receiver, FWIW.

And to just think he was our homerun #1 threat 2 seasons ago.

[hail2skins]

Wow, getting rid of their best receiver to boltster the receiving corps. Those J-E-T-S.

[GolfFreak]

Wow, Coles just can't seem to find the right fit ... good luck!

[shally]

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Looks like Coles wasn't satisfied with his new house...he wants to build a Jacksonville version of Michael Jackson's Neverland Ranch.

is that where he wants to go, JAX ??

[shally]

Coles won't fix his toe, so he gets what he gets. Ha!

his toe aint fixable..

trading him should cost the jets a ton of cap money.. anyone know what it would cost them for certain? or does the new CBA modify their hit ?

[danny's stogie]

is that where he wants to go, JAX ??

There was an NYT article recently about the palatial home Coles was building outside of his hometown of Jax.

[shally]

There was an NYT article recently about the palatial home Coles was building outside of his hometown of Jax.

i was wondering if Jax had a need for receivers as well.. he definitely needs to play on a grass field and i thought about that when he first went to the jets
he should be able to add another wing to his palace if the bonus gets accellerated

[BurgundyNGold]

his toe aint fixable..

trading him should cost the jets a ton of cap money.. anyone know what it would cost them for certain? or does the new CBA modify their hit ?
I'm pretty sure that is these sports doctors say it's fixable, it's fixable. Surgery was an option when he was here. He rejected it two years in a row. Then he elected to not have the surgery for the Jets.

[shally]

I'm pretty sure that is these sports doctors say it's fixable, it's fixable. Surgery was an option when he was here. He rejected it two years in a row. Then he elected to not have the surgery for the Jets.

there is a reason for that.. coles is right on this one.. regardless of what the docs might have said in public, this type of surgery has a very poor result much of the time. very very few explosive athletes have a quality result.
about the only receiver i can think off who has had it and actually returned to play inthe nfl was ike hilliard-- and he never was as good as he was before his injury.
it is a bad injury and would not have likely left coles any better

[BurgundyNGold]

there is a reason for that.. coles is right on this one.. regardless of what the docs might have said in public, this type of surgery has a very poor result much of the time. very very few explosive athletes have a quality result.
about the only receiver i can think off who has had it and actually returned to play inthe nfl was ike hilliard-- and he never was as good as he was before his injury.
it is a bad injury and would not have likely left coles any better
I can't say I agree with Coles. His reluctance to have the surgery at this point is damaging his market value and will likely land him out of the league before too long. He's scarcely a shadow of his former self.

[shally]

I can't say I agree with Coles. His reluctance to have the surgery at this point is damaging his market value and will likely land him out of the league before too long. He's scarcely a shadow of his former self.

you are correct about that.. i am just saying that it is a no-win situation for coles and that anyone who says (not referring to you) that all coles has to do is have the surgery and he will be fine, does not truly understand the odds of success with that type of surgery

[RedskinRyan]

if his bonus does come all up front, he sure could be making a ton of money for not a whole lotta work.

[shally]

if his bonus does come all up front, he sure could be making a ton of money for not a whole lotta work.

such was the case when he signed his new contract with the jets.. i was amazed at what they threw at him..

[Slobberknocker]

You think the Jets would take Santana Moss???

J/K. He's not available. Whew!

[shally]

You think the Jets would take Santana Moss???

J/K. He's not available. Whew!

was that one of bradway's moves ? he better not be seen around the javits center around draft day anymore.. i can smell the hot tar
:jetsuk:

[dj_stouty]

I hope they trade him to San Fran so he can compete for a starting job with Taylor Jacobs. ;)

[shally]

I hope they trade him to San Fran so he can compete for a starting job with Taylor Jacobs. ;)

ramsey has to feel snake bit.. here he manages to claw his way to the #2 spot behind an oft-injured pennington.. and now they are thinking of dumping the only receiver he ever developed chemistry with...
:cry:

[BurgundyNGold]

you are correct about that.. i am just saying that it is a no-win situation for coles and that anyone who says (not referring to you) that all coles has to do is have the surgery and he will be fine, does not truly understand the odds of success with that type of surgery
I think the point has come and gone for him to play it safe. If he gets the surgery and is able to recover, he might be a pro bowler again and could extend his career into the next decade. If not, he's at best a #3 WR in 2007.

[shally]

I think the point has come and gone for him to play it safe. If he gets the surgery and is able to recover, he might be a pro bowler again and could extend his career into the next decade. If not, he's at best a #3 WR in 2007.

maybe he is looking to squeeze another year out on ?IR ??

i am just saying it is no guarantee he could play at all in the nfl if he has the surgery.. pro bowl ?? i do not think it is in the cards again, no matter what..

[Syllable]

This just in, skins trade away portis to bolster RB core.

[shally]

This just in, skins trade away portis to bolster RB core.


??????? say, again, please. ?

[Axegrinder]

Oakland just traded Gabriel and Porter isn't happy there.Any chance that he ends up a Raider?

[LATrueRedskin]

Boy, Coles' decision to quit on D.C. is looking better and better.

[BigPlayJay]

I hope they trade him to San Fran so he can compete for a starting job with Taylor Jacobs. ;)

:lol1:
That would be classic!

[BigPlayJay]

Boy, Coles' decision to quit on D.C. is looking better and better.

Really! Can you imagine what might have happened if he had not been unhappy here? I wonder if they would have jettisoned him anyways? One thing I know, if Coles were here instead of Moss, we don't make the playoffs last year.

[ryflan47]

What a shame. Who got the better end of the trade again??

[shally]

What a shame. Who got the better end of the trade again??

massive credit for the front office for taking the big cap hit and moving on with a better player.
where is SI and espn and all the other poison pen writers now? i do not here a peep, do you ??

it will be the same thing in a bout 1 year with lavar as well

[Skinz4lyfe]

Oakland just traded Gabriel and Porter isn't happy there.Any chance that he ends up a Raider?

Maybe but I think he's too young to be a Raider. That would be funny seeing him and Randy Moss on the same team.

[C-7]

Maybe but I think he's too young to be a Raider. That would be funny seeing him and Randy Moss on the same team.


That would be a pretty sick receiver duo, though.

[BurgundyNGold]

That would be a pretty sick receiver duo, though.
Yep. That have all the routes onder 10 yards covered by Coles and everything 40 yards or more covered by Moss. That just leaves everything else, lol.

[Fathead]

This is hysterical. If you can't play for a hall of fame coach, then you have issues. If you force a trade and then your new team wants to get rid of you, you have mega issues.

[ryflan47]

massive credit for the front office for taking the big cap hit and moving on with a better player.
where is SI and espn and all the other poison pen writers now? i do not here a peep, do you ??

it will be the same thing in a bout 1 year with lavar as well

Oh man that would be sweet to see LaVar in the same position.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Wow, getting rid of their best receiver to boltster the receiving corps. Those J-E-T-S.

LOL, it's counterintuitive, isn't it Mike?

Maybe they want to trade him to the Pats for Branch?

[shally]

LOL, it's counterintuitive, isn't it Mike?

Maybe they want to trade him to the Pats for Branch?

i am not sure that even the pats could make coles into a productive player consistently...

[IowaSkinsFan]

Maybe not, but Coles sure is the modenr day example of how to fal linot a pile of **sencored by SPence)) and come out smelling like a Dan Rose.

[GoDannyBoy]

He is no dummy! Guy gets nine from us and new signing bonus from the Jets. Do I see a pattern here?

[SkinsKY]

I hope they trade him to San Fran so he can compete for a starting job with Taylor Jacobs. ;)

I have to say that this is one of the better things I've read on this board.

[DCassain21]

some one get this man a plasma and put him out of his misery

[shally]

He is no dummy! Guy gets nine from us and new signing bonus from the Jets. Do I see a pattern here?

that would be the desired result and the pattern, i would surmise

[HanburgerBum]

massive credit for the front office for taking the big cap hit and moving on with a better player.
where is SI and espn and all the other poison pen writers now? i do not here a peep, do you ??

it will be the same thing in a bout 1 year with lavar as well


Since Gibbs' return, the FO has done some incredibly good things:

1) Sign Marcus Washington
2) Sign Corny Griffin instead of Robaire Smith
3) Sign Shawn Springs
4) Trade Coles for Santana Moss (one of the greatest moves of al time!)
5) Draft Sean Taylor instead of that idiot KW II
6) Draft Carlos Rogers instead of Mike (slow as a snail) Williams
7) Get rid of the over-rated loudmouth Lavar for cap room
8) Refrain from over-paying for Fred Smoot
9) Sign Joe Salavea
10) Sign Casey Rabach
11) Trade up to draft Chris Cooley
12) Refrain from spending a first rounder on a TE (e.g. Heath Miller, KW II)
13) Trade Champ Bailey for Clinton Portis
14) Trade for Mark Brunell

Hopefully, the following will turn out to be great moves as well:

1) Trade up to draft Jason Campbell
2) Trade up to draft Rocky McIntosh
3) Sign Archuletta
4) Sign Andre Carter
5) Sign Randle El
6) Trade for Brandon Lloyd
7) Trade for TJ Duckett

I used to think Joe Gibbs was just a great coach. But, the evidence is that he is also now a great GM.

[Axegrinder]

Maybe Coles and the newly cut Peter Warrick can renew their friendship.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

7) Trade for TJ Duckett
I have been thinking about this a bit, and have come to the conclusion that it is a great move IF:
1)We resign Duckett to a reasonable deal.
2)We let Betts go, or better yet (and this would make it a fantastic move), we trade him for a 4th rounder.

My reasoning is this: if we had not traded for Duckett, who is an excellent 2nd string/change of pace/goal line RB, we either would have had to resign Betts, which I wasn't too keen on doing, especially if he wanted starter's money, sign a FA, which would not have been very cheap anyways unless you opt for someone young and unproven or old and battered, or use a draft pick to get a RB. Now finding a RB in the latter rounds (3rd or worse) that is better than Duckett is no sure thing.

[C-7]

some one get this man a plasma and put him out of his misery


:lol1:


Nice!!

[CarMike]

Maybe Coles and the newly cut Peter Warrick can renew their friendship.
Excellent!

I've heard they were seen at Dillards just yesturday.

[BandWagon]

What a shame. Who got the better end of the trade again??
Exactly...hmmmmmm

[shally]

Since Gibbs' return, the FO has done some incredibly good things:

1) Sign Marcus Washington
2) Sign Corny Griffin instead of Robaire Smith
3) Sign Shawn Springs
4) Trade Coles for Santana Moss (one of the greatest moves of al time!)
5) Draft Sean Taylor instead of that idiot KW II
6) Draft Carlos Rogers instead of Mike (slow as a snail) Williams
7) Get rid of the over-rated loudmouth Lavar for cap room
8) Refrain from over-paying for Fred Smoot
9) Sign Joe Salavea
10) Sign Casey Rabach
11) Trade up to draft Chris Cooley
12) Refrain from spending a first rounder on a TE (e.g. Heath Miller, KW II)
13) Trade Champ Bailey for Clinton Portis
14) Trade for Mark Brunell

Hopefully, the following will turn out to be great moves as well:

1) Trade up to draft Jason Campbell
2) Trade up to draft Rocky McIntosh
3) Sign Archuletta
4) Sign Andre Carter
5) Sign Randle El
6) Trade for Brandon Lloyd
7) Trade for TJ Duckett

I used to think Joe Gibbs was just a great coach. But, the evidence is that he is also now a great GM.

great points you make... not every move has turned out perfect, but the underlying tenor is that malcontents and underproducers have been replaced by blue colar types everywhere.. this is a very easy team to like.. kudos to gibbs

[shally]

I have been thinking about this a bit, and have come to the conclusion that it is a great move IF:
1)We resign Duckett to a reasonable deal.
2)We let Betts go, or better yet (and this would make it a fantastic move), we trade him for a 4th rounder.

My reasoning is this: if we had not traded for Duckett, who is an excellent 2nd string/change of pace/goal line RB, we either would have had to resign Betts, which I wasn't too keen on doing, especially if he wanted starter's money, sign a FA, which would not have been very cheap anyways unless you opt for someone young and unproven or old and battered, or use a draft pick to get a RB. Now finding a RB in the latter rounds (3rd or worse) that is better than Duckett is no sure thing.

it would be totally out of character with past moves for them not to sign duckett long term..

as for betts, i think they will squeeze what they can out of him and then offer him a fair deal at the end of this year. if he is looking for starters money he will end up elsewhere

[SpicyMcHaggis]

it would be totally out of character with past moves for them not to sign duckett long term..

as for betts, i think they will squeeze what they can out of him and then offer him a fair deal at the end of this year. if he is looking for starters money he will end up elsewhere
But those two things are highly contradictory. It makes no sense to even try to keep them both at the end of the year, unless Betts is resigned with the sole purpose of trading him. Duckett is certainly gonna want borderline starters money, and a fair deal for Betts in that situation would be third string RB money, because that is what he is now for us, and no way he's gonna take it. IMO it really makes no sense (obviously if CP is healthy) to keep him this year in fact.

[shally]

But those two things are highly contradictory. It makes no sense to even try to keep them both at the end of the year, unless Betts is resigned with the sole purpose of trading him. Duckett is certainly gonna want borderline starters money, and a fair deal for Betts in that situation would be third string RB money, because that is what he is now for us, and no way he's gonna take it. IMO it really makes no sense (obviously if CP is healthy) to keep him this year in fact.

gibbs has always like to have 2 starter quality running backs. this is par for him.. but CP is hurt, maybe more than anyone is letting on. betts is an insurance policy right now..
i do not expect them to keep betts after this year but we will see how it plays out

[SpicyMcHaggis]

gibbs has always like to have 2 starter quality running backs. this is par for him.. but CP is hurt, maybe more than anyone is letting on. betts is an insurance policy right now..
i do not expect them to keep betts after this year but we will see how it plays out
With CP and Duckett he has 2 starter quality RBs. I don't know exactly what CP's situation is, but even if he were to miss Week 1, it would seem a bit too prudent to give up on a possible 4th round pick (for example) just to have Betts as the backup for one game. I think we can agree that if CP and T.J. are both healthy, Betts is pretty much useless..and if we do not trade him now, we will probably lose him for nothing at the end of the year, which would be a shame. I don't know if the rumered offers for Ramsey a while back were true, but if they were, I wouldn't want to repeat that same situation..
(But this really has nothing to do with Big Ben does it? ;) )

[shally]

With CP and Duckett he has 2 starter quality RBs. I don't know exactly what CP's situation is, but even if he were to miss Week 1, it would seem a bit too prudent to give up on a possible 4th round pick (for example) just to have Betts as the backup for one game. I think we can agree that if CP and T.J. are both healthy, Betts is pretty much useless..and if we do not trade him now, we will probably lose him for nothing at the end of the year, which would be a shame. I don't know if the rumered offers for Ramsey a while back were true, but if they were, I wouldn't want to repeat that same situation..
(But this really has nothing to do with Big Ben does it? ;) )

or coles either...wink...

still i think coles is not going to be going anywhere after all of this.. it will settle down

[SpicyMcHaggis]

or coles either...wink...

still i think coles is not going to be going anywhere after all of this.. it will settle down
Yes..well..uhm..that was a test..to see if you were paying attention..good job, you passed...ehm ehm... (I need more sleep.)

[shally]

Yes..well..uhm..that was a test..to see if you were paying attention..good job, you passed...ehm ehm... (I need more sleep.)

sleep ? what is that ?
:jetsuk: coles sucks....

[HanburgerBum]

I have been thinking about this a bit, and have come to the conclusion that it is a great move IF:
1)We resign Duckett to a reasonable deal.
2)We let Betts go, or better yet (and this would make it a fantastic move), we trade him for a 4th rounder.

My reasoning is this: if we had not traded for Duckett, who is an excellent 2nd string/change of pace/goal line RB, we either would have had to resign Betts, which I wasn't too keen on doing, especially if he wanted starter's money, sign a FA, which would not have been very cheap anyways unless you opt for someone young and unproven or old and battered, or use a draft pick to get a RB. Now finding a RB in the latter rounds (3rd or worse) that is better than Duckett is no sure thing.


The thing about the Duckett trade that concerns me is that he will be a FA at season's end. So, in effect, the Skins merely rented him while giving up a 3rd rounder. This tells me that Gibbs is going all out to win the trophy this season. And, as Shally pointed out, the Skins are more concerned about Portis' shoulder than they are letting on.

I think trading Betts is probably out now, unless it becomes crystal clear that Clinton can bear his usual heavy load. The present FO doesn't value 4th round picks that much. It won't give up the insurance that Betts represents for a 4th rounder even at the risk of losing him for nothing at season's end.

After the season, the team will re-evaluate the situation and decide on how much Betts and/or Duckett will be offered in a long term deal.

[shally]

The thing about the Duckett trade that concerns me is that he will be a FA at season's end. So, in effect, the Skins merely rented him while giving up a 3rd rounder. This tells me that Gibbs is going all out to win the trophy this season. And, as Shally pointed out, the Skins are more concerned about Portis' shoulder than they are letting on.

I think trading Betts is probably out now, unless it becomes crystal clear that Clinton can bear his usual heavy load. The present FO doesn't value 4th round picks that much. It won't give up the insurance that Betts represents for a 4th rounder even at the risk of losing him for nothing at season's end.

After the season, the team will re-evaluate the situation and decide on how much Betts and/or Duckett will be offered in a long term deal.

i do not think the skins can afford to let duckett remain unsigned long term until after the season.. they will likely lose him that way.. same with betts.
they need to decide sooner than that..

[SpicyMcHaggis]

i do not think the skins can afford to let duckett remain unsigned long term until after the season.. they will likely lose him that way.. same with betts.
they need to decide sooner than that..
I agree. Both decisions have to be made before the preseason.
As for Duckett, there is no way around it..if he is not resigned, it's a horrible deal (unless we actually win the Sb, in which case the damage is obviously mitigated, but in the long run remains).

[SpicyMcHaggis]

The thing about the Duckett trade that concerns me is that he will be a FA at season's end. So, in effect, the Skins merely rented him while giving up a 3rd rounder. This tells me that Gibbs is going all out to win the trophy this season. And, as Shally pointed out, the Skins are more concerned about Portis' shoulder than they are letting on.

I think trading Betts is probably out now, unless it becomes crystal clear that Clinton can bear his usual heavy load. The present FO doesn't value 4th round picks that much. It won't give up the insurance that Betts represents for a 4th rounder even at the risk of losing him for nothing at season's end.

After the season, the team will re-evaluate the situation and decide on how much Betts and/or Duckett will be offered in a long term deal.
I think that is true, and if they aren't sure about Clinton, they probably would be wise to keep him.

[shally]

I agree. Both decisions have to be made before the preseason.
As for Duckett, there is no way around it..if he is not resigned, it's a horrible deal (unless we actually win the Sb, in which case the damage is obviously mitigated, but in the long run remains).

yup.. paying a 3rd rounder for 1 year of service would be a very bad deal