Bad calls in Little League

[joethefan]

Many little league refs must be NFL rejects or maybe HS rejects. They make such bad calls.

If you call holding on a player or a block in the back. please make sure the infraction could have had an impact on the actual play. ie..

If I'm running a sweep to the the right and a player that's not as expereinced while playing in a lesser competitive league, pushes someone on the other side of the field...DON'T CALL BLOCKING IN THE BACK....You know that kid is not gonna catch a kid that's 50 yards down the field. Make the call that could impact the play not something that's on the other side of the field....

Yesterday I had a kid that ran 99 yards and it was called back due to the fact that one of my kids pushed someone in the back 15 yards from the play...!!!!

Purely unbelievable. Soory I may be venting but let the kids play...

[smoak]

JTF -

Not having kid(s) yet, is the rule in rulebook written so that the penalty shouldn't be called? The only reason I ask is b/c if it isn't written, then they should call if it is blantant. Why deviate from what will happen to these kids at the HS, college, and pro levels?

But again, I don't know the rules and what is commonly done.

[RedskinsDave]

Blocks in the back are called more for safety than they are for the infractions anyways. I would agree that a holding call should be ignored if it does not effect the play but a block in the back should be called.

[joethefan]

or call an umsportsmanlike to be changed at the kickoff...but don't take my points away...LOL

That's just like (remember your in a lesseor competitive league mostly 1st and second year players) ... I had one kid that was in his three point. And moved on one didn't pick his hand or ih head up but just flinched...and they called false start. I was ready to pack my stuff and leave....so many petty calls...it was crazy...

[AGibbsGirl]

yeah...don't get Mom started...for me, I don't mind "iffy" calls, but for crying out loud, they should go both ways. My biggest issue is when one team is clearly getting away with stuff and the other team is getting called for everything.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Many little league refs must be NFL rejects or maybe HS rejects. They make such bad calls.

If you call holding on a player or a block in the back. please make sure the infraction could have had an impact on the actual play. ie..

If I'm running a sweep to the the right and a player that's not as expereinced while playing in a lesser competitive league, pushes someone on the other side of the field...DON'T CALL BLOCKING IN THE BACK....You know that kid is not gonna catch a kid that's 50 yards down the field. Make the call that could impact the play not something that's on the other side of the field....

Yesterday I had a kid that ran 99 yards and it was called back due to the fact that one of my kids pushed someone in the back 15 yards from the play...!!!!

Purely unbelievable. Soory I may be venting but let the kids play...

I take a different view on this. Penalties are penalties, it doesn't matter that it occured away from the play. If anything, it should be enforced even harded at this level, because you want to impress upon children at an early age the right way to play the game. I don't think we, as parents, should ever yell at a ref at a game or make light of a call just because it occured away from a play.

The right way to play is the right way to play at all times.

[joethefan]

yeah...don't get Mom started...for me, I don't mind "iffy" calls, but for crying out loud, they should go both ways. My biggest issue is when one team is clearly getting away with stuff and the other team is getting called for everything.

yea MOM and that's how it went yesterday....they were holdinh my ends the entire game...no calls...but we got at least 10 penalties on us..they got two both because they were really obviouse.....false start and pass interference. us we had illegal man downfield, illegal substitution, false start, holding, illegal push in the back, offsides...it was rediculous!.....I had to look and rub my eyes, I thought I was at FED-EX...and maybe the refs were from the NFL.!

[joethefan]

I take a different view on this. Penalties are penalties, it doesn't matter that it occured away from the play. If anything, it should be enforced even harded at this level, because you want to impress upon children at an early age the right way to play the game. I don't think we, as parents, should ever yell at a ref at a game or make light of a call just because it occured away from a play.

The right way to play is the right way to play at all times.

my question to you is and not trying to be sarcastic but do you spend time at many little league games. and do you have much time invested in a certain club? The reason I ask is that when you're on the outside looking in it's easy to say that, but when you see that refs are not making calls on other teams when everyone at the field sees sees the penalties, but when you're the visitor and you can't get any calls....I just have a problem with that....you're right kids should be taught the right way to do things...but they aren't gonna be perfect...they're kids.

[IowaSkinsFan]

my question to you is and not trying to be sarcastic but do you spend time at many little league games. and do you have much time invested in a certain club? The reason I ask is that when you're on the outside looking in it's easy to say that, but when you see that refs are not making calls on other teams when everyone at the field sees sees the penalties, but when you're the visitor and you can't get any calls....I just have a problem with that....you're right kids should be taught the right way to do things...but they aren't gonna be perfect...they're kids.

My oldest child is only 8, so I don't know how that compares to the age of your oldest, but my daughter has only been playing summer league soccer and the play is pretty loose. The officiating is done by highschoolers, most of which don't have drivers licenses.

But if I read this post correctly you are now talking about refs calling penalites on both teams the same way, which is not really what I was addressing. I was talking about calling a penalty even if it had nothing to do with the play or was away from the play. If I interpret you correctly, you are really talking about calling the penalty the same for both teams?

[joethefan]

My oldest child is only 8, so I don't know how that compares to the age of your oldest, but my daughter has only been playing summer league soccer and the play is pretty loose. The officiating is done by highschoolers, most of which don't have drivers licenses.

But if I read this post correctly you are now talking about refs calling penalites on both teams the same way, which is not really what I was addressing. I was talking about calling a penalty even if it had nothing to do with the play or was away from the play. If I interpret you correctly, you are really talking about calling the penalty the same for both teams?

well I'm kinda talking about both but In a way they both are intertwined. But being a coach, you hope for the calls to go fairly both ways. Yes someone should get called if an infraction took place...it just seemed that yesterday we were getting all the calls on us and when the big play came...(99) yards..then here we go again another flag, That's all. It out of frustration also because at this particular club and team we played against, they seem to get alot of leeway in calls.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

i know what you mean JTF and ive seen refs let plays go when something like that happens. what they'll do is warn the kid that what he did was illegal and the next time it happens he'll be flagged for it. when officiating younger kids, they almost have to let some things go, if not, a game could take 3 hours, lol.

[SkinsKY]

My first job was reffing U-8 and U-6 soccer and it was something else. Offsides was sketchy and not called unless it was blatant cherry picking. Safety issues I dealt with right away, but some ticky tack stuff I tried to play advantage whenever possible. Now it's different in football because there are so many more things to watch for. however, it is important to teach kids the rules and to play correctly. I understand the emotions of it (especially if you get an unjust number of calls against you). I deal with that all the time with the team I'm coaching in high school, but if you let it slide in a game, and then try and teach the kid the next practice, it won't sink in that much. Having never reffed football (which admits minimal credibility) I would say that, outside of fouls that are safety hazards, a warning once and then a flag would be good for kids under 10. That way the games are also a strong teaching environment and that way they know they've done wrong and are aware of it at the time. This would be if the foul was away from the play. If there was a hold on the clock that sprung the TD, I would call it the first time. Other parents don't want to see their kids demoralized because a ref swallowed his whistle on a foul that sunk the other teams morale.

[IowaSkinsFan]

well I'm kinda talking about both but In a way they both are intertwined. But being a coach, you hope for the calls to go fairly both ways. Yes someone should get called if an infraction took place...it just seemed that yesterday we were getting all the calls on us and when the big play came...(99) yards..then here we go again another flag, That's all. It out of frustration also because at this particular club and team we played against, they seem to get alot of leeway in calls.

Any chance that the refs didn't see all of the plays that you were upset about when the calls were not made?

[rskinsfan10]

Yesterday I had a kid that ran 99 yards and it was called back due to the fact that one of my kids pushed someone in the back 15 yards from the play...!!!!You know that two of my baseball players are on your team, so I heard about this from one of their parents. Was this William Joppy's kid that ran for 99yds on that play?

[santanadasavior]

I play soccer and I don't care about officiating as long as it is not a factor in a game. If the refs call things one way they should call the same things the other way. That way, it is a constant. If the ref is making bad calls for one team, make bad calls for both teams. As long as one team gets the same treatment as the other I really don't care. I find that sometimes the refs don't even know they are favoring a game, I think sometimes it just happens. I have felt that I have had about 50 bad refs in my life but I would say that only 2 or 3 were bad on purpose.

[joethefan]

You know that two of my baseball players are on your team, so I heard about this from one of their parents. Was this William Joppy's kid that ran for 99yds on that play?


No that was little TAJ...Joppy's kid hasn't come back out yet...don't know where he is.

[nicefellow31]

or call an umsportsmanlike to be changed at the kickoff...but don't take my points away...LOL

That's just like (remember your in a lesseor competitive league mostly 1st and second year players) ... I had one kid that was in his three point. And moved on one didn't pick his hand or ih head up but just flinched...and they called false start. I was ready to pack my stuff and leave....so many petty calls...it was crazy...

Unsportsmanlike, by rule, is a noncontact foul, so a block in the back would not qualify. Most calls away from the ball are not called, unless it involves player safety. Frustrating, I understand. I would also say that the more aggresive team gets called for more fouls. Sounds like you got your self quite a team. Finally, a lot of new officials get started at the lower level gains, which again, probably frustrates the heck out of you. Hang in there and think about the service you are providing your team.

[redskinz#1fan]

yeah...don't get Mom started...for me, I don't mind "iffy" calls, but for crying out loud, they should go both ways. My biggest issue is when one team is clearly getting away with stuff and the other team is getting called for everything.


Moms, that sounds very similiar to the games that we have! ;)

[Iceman330]

Many little league refs must be NFL rejects or maybe HS rejects. They make such bad calls.

If you call holding on a player or a block in the back. please make sure the infraction could have had an impact on the actual play. ie..

If I'm running a sweep to the the right and a player that's not as expereinced while playing in a lesser competitive league, pushes someone on the other side of the field...DON'T CALL BLOCKING IN THE BACK....You know that kid is not gonna catch a kid that's 50 yards down the field. Make the call that could impact the play not something that's on the other side of the field....

Yesterday I had a kid that ran 99 yards and it was called back due to the fact that one of my kids pushed someone in the back 15 yards from the play...!!!!

Purely unbelievable. Soory I may be venting but let the kids play...

Man, I had to laugh when I read this. I know EXACTLY how you feel. My experience w/ coaching Pop Warner was that there's more politics than I care for. If you work the politics w/ the refs, you don't get those calls. It's a real shame.