The un-Official Get Oot OF DC John Hall Thread

[Syllable]

Look, maybe Gibbs wants to change Kickers. Maybe not. But its the start of your season and the rosters are set. How loose is Novak after being dropped? Does he have the leg? How many times has he kicked for us in clutch situations? I've only counted about once or twice and thats not enough to sway a change right now. Maybe in the offseason we can take a look, or when Hall starts missing below 40 yard field goals. Novak is as big as a question mark as Hall is, maybe even more.

[Skinz4lyfe]

My problem w/Hall is he's coming off 2 injury plagued seasons and he doesn't seem to have the confidence to be effective now. That FG at the end of the game was simply pathetic. I'd take up for him if it was close but as Steve Young said, "You've gotta at least hit the net when you're in the NFL". When will he get his confidence back, if ever, who knows? I just think w/the parity in today's NFL we should have cut our losses and gone after a healthier, better kicker. Most games are decided by a few plays and we can ill afford having a kicker w/o confidence. Besides, he doesn't even kickoff, which leaves us w/Frost as our punter. We couldn't go after a veteran or better punter because most punters do not kick off. Hopefully Frost can become as consistent as he was (after the first punter monday night). Sure Hall missed a 48yd FG but as previously posted he's never really been that great a kicker. He's biggest asset has always been the strength of his leg. That appears to be gone, which is why he isn't kicking off anymore. Sorry, he's on a short leash in my book.

[Syllable]

What exactly does any of this have to do with what we were discussing? You said Longwell is not much of an upgrade over Hall. I told you you were wrong. You backed up your statement with false facts (again). I told you I had already compared Hall and Longwell in this thread (post #189). With true facts, that is. Now you answer this?
Why do stats not make a huge impact when it comes to kicking? Why is it always changing? What does that mean? And why does one missed kick ruin you?
What do Vinatieri and Rackers have anything to do with this? Is one supposed to be Hall and the other Longwell?
What does the sentence "Kicking is subjective to its year" mean?? Kicks are different in 2006 than they were in 2005? They change the goalposts from one year to another?
And your last sentence may or may not be true, but it has nothing to do with him being better than Longwell, because he never was in the first place.

Geeeeeeeez, you know you could do better than picking and finding every problem with my posts. Ill break it down for you since you require all your facts put down to you and everything explained.

Stats don't make a huge impact when it comes to kicking. Yes it is a placeholder for how many kicks you made or not, but its allways changing and one missed kick and ruin you.

Adam V didn't have the prettiest stats but he is still hotter than Neil Rackers to most people.


Kicking is subjective to its year. Peoples legs change and their mentality too.

I think Hall needs to hit another far one in a game to get his rythm back and his confidence.
You backed up your statement with false facts
Neil Rackers had a better season than Adam V in terms of stats, but we still concider Adam V as someone you want on your team more than Rackers.

With true facts, that is. Now you answer this?
Ok you can grab your stat sheet all you want and it doesnt change the intangibles that players have. I refer back to my statement about Adam V where he is better in clutch situations. I for one look past stats when football players are involved because those only tell half the story, the rest lies in the character and personality of the player.

Why do stats not make a huge impact when it comes to kicking? Why is it always changing? What does that mean? And why does one missed kick ruin you?
Woah. I allready went through my oppinion on stats. One kick does not ruin you, but he has not just missed one Kick. He missed one during playoffs too. And has had nagging injuries that as it looks right now, has effected his mental side of kicking.

And your last sentence may or may not be true, but it has nothing to do with him being better than Longwell, because he never was in the first place. Thats why you have your oppinion and I have mine.

[santanadasavior]

Look, maybe Gibbs wants to change Kickers. Maybe not. But its the start of your season and the rosters are set. How loose is Novak after being dropped? Does he have the leg? How many times has he kicked for us in clutch situations? I've only counted about once or twice and thats not enough to sway a change right now. Maybe in the offseason we can take a look, or when Hall starts missing below 40 yard field goals. Novak is as big as a question mark as Hall is, maybe even more.

Novak made the game winning EP in Dallas and the game winning FG here against Seattle.

[shally]

Novak made the game winning EP in Dallas and the game winning FG here against Seattle.


after having one of them blocked inthe seattle game, as i recall..

but relax.. it just is not going to happen as long as gibbs wants hall

[santanadasavior]

after having one of them blocked inthe seattle game, as i recall..

but relax.. it just is not going to happen as long as gibbs wants hall

That's right, but I think that was a breakdown up front.

[smoak]

That's right, but I think that was a breakdown up front.

That is impossible it is Halls ffault! Everything is Hall's fault! Heck, it is Hall's fault we went to war in Iraq on faulty intelligence. ARGH!!! John Hall is the devil!

[BurgundyNGold]

That's right, but I think that was a breakdown up front.
Of course. It's never the kicker's fault when Gibbs is speaking publicly. Even when the ball is kicked low, the announcers said it was kicked low, the replay shows it was kicked low and everyone within plain sight of the replay could see that it was low. :rolleyes:

[BurgundyNGold]

That is impossible it is Halls ffault! Everything is Hall's fault! Heck, it is Hall's fault we went to war in Iraq on faulty intelligence. ARGH!!! John Hall is the devil!
Settle down, matey.

[ryflan47]

That is impossible it is Halls ffault! Everything is Hall's fault! Heck, it is Hall's fault we went to war in Iraq on faulty intelligence. ARGH!!! John Hall is the devil!

Finally SOMEONE supports my theory!

[ryflan47]

hmm after reading the first part of the return of d o c, i heard something i hadn't before. he said that hall said he was confused because he thought that randle el got the first down. confused or not, you still kicked the ball my man.

EDIT: What happened to that thread? lol

[shally]

Finally SOMEONE supports my theory!

old norv sure subscribed to that theory.. fire one kicker per week, at least..
:lol1:

[shally]

hmm after reading the first part of the return of d o c, i heard something i hadn't before. he said that hall said he was confused because he thought that randle el got the first down. confused or not, you still kicked the ball my man.

EDIT: What happened to that thread? lol

that was pretty pathetic, i thought.. still, if you watch kickers, so much of their preparation is mental. maybe hall just left that kick on the sideline..

one thing for certain, we need him to be flawless in dallas this weekend. the dallas kicker is the one who has to have the psychological problems..in fact, it would be okay if both their kickers had their heads screwed on wrong..

[bwparker]

Not coming in to say "I told you so" because God knows Hall didn't do anything even remotely spectacular. Plus, I never really "told" anyone anything, I just posted stats and tried to understand where the hatred was coming from.

However, Hall hit the only fieldgoal he had a shot at, from 39 yards and HE TOOK KICKOFFS duties!! I was busy wallowing in misery, so I may have missed something, but he looked pretty good on kickoffs and that FG looked real solid. So...there is a bit of a bright spot.

[dj_stouty]

Not coming in to say "I told you so" because God knows Hall didn't do anything even remotely spectacular. Plus, I never really "told" anyone anything, I just posted stats and tried to understand where the hatred was coming from.

However, Hall hit the only fieldgoal he had a shot at, from 39 yards and HE TOOK KICKOFFS duties!! I was busy wallowing in misery, so I may have missed something, but he looked pretty good on kickoffs and that FG looked real solid. So...there is a bit of a bright spot.

I'm glad you posted this. Hall looked fairly good on kickoff duties...and his kicks went in; which is all we can ask for!

[CNYSkinFan]

But why is Hall doing kickooff duties? I thought we were taking him off kickoffs to keep him from getting injured? This is playing with fire.

[shally]

But why is Hall doing kickooff duties? I thought we were taking him off kickoffs to keep him from getting injured? This is playing with fire.

maybe he is working on the coaches last nerve..:lol1:
so they put him out there. then again, frost was better as a punter yesterday so perhaps it was messing with his head..

[ryflan47]

Not coming in to say "I told you so" because God knows Hall didn't do anything even remotely spectacular. Plus, I never really "told" anyone anything, I just posted stats and tried to understand where the hatred was coming from.

However, Hall hit the only fieldgoal he had a shot at, from 39 yards and HE TOOK KICKOFFS duties!! I was busy wallowing in misery, so I may have missed something, but he looked pretty good on kickoffs and that FG looked real solid. So...there is a bit of a bright spot.

Nah you can say it. I'm happy to be proved wrong here.

[Smiley]

Ummm...I changed my mind...I like Hall. Smile. Not for the obvious good kicking I saw last night but because of the personal side. I read the article (Post?) about John Hall and I just like him. I also like the fact that he's kicking off again.....I think it was his idea. Hail!

[bwparker]

How about John Hall's performance against the Jags? Perfect 3 for 3, including a 44 yarder to tie the game at 10 early, a 37 yarder to give us momentum going into halftime and another 37 yarder with 1:55 left to go and the game on the line (The Jags cameback to tie it, but at the time of the kick that was a potential game winner...)

He's been perfect since Minnesota. He's 8/9 on the season(88%), including:

<30 - 3/3 (100%)
30-39 - 3/3 (100%)
40-50 - 2/3 (66%)
50+ - 0/0

Not to shabby...With all the game balls going out to the O-line and the D-line and Moss and Portis and Cooley and Brunell and Rock for returns...I figured John should get a thumbs up as well..

[ryflan47]

He still makes me nervous but I will admit he has been better.

[bwparker]

He still makes me nervous but I will admit he has been better.
Like I said a few weeks ago in this thread. Your nervousness has no effect on the production or ability of John Hall...thats simply a factor of YOU and nothing else.

Ohh...I forgot to mention the huge stop he had on a kickoff return. He didn't get the tackle, but he laid a nice hit on the guy that slowed him down and made him go lateral...otherwise that guy was going all the way for 6.

[ryflan47]

Like I said a few weeks ago in this thread. Your nervousness has no effect on the production or ability of John Hall...thats simply a factor of YOU and nothing else.

Ohh...I forgot to mention the huge stop he had on a kickoff return. He didn't get the tackle, but he laid a nice hit on the guy that slowed him down and made him go lateral...otherwise that guy was going all the way for 6.

Yeah, he saved our butts on that return. I'm not so ready to eat crow yet, there's still a lot of season to be played. I don't like to regurgitate crow lol.

[bwparker]

Skeptical Optimism...its all about Skeptical Optimism.

[Skinz4lyfe]

I'm still not ready to give Hall credit either. Did you see him after the 37-yarder to give us the lead? He hoped it went in there. His confidence still seems down to me. He doesn't seem like he expects every FG to make it. His kickoffs are still short and lack height. I do like the fact that we assisted w/stopping a possible TD return. I will say that he is improving though.

[dj_stouty]

Some food for thought...

John Hall has a higher FG % than both of last year's Pro Bowl kickers' current FG %.

[smoak]

I need the start the Official "Get Skins fans out of DDC" thread.

:D