Our offense works Our defense doesn't... Figures..

[Syllable]

Figures.... we get a good offense and our D discraces us at home... Penalties on third down.... Getting beat by brad johnson....

Irony how this goes...

Can i get a number on our Time of possesion?

[X-Factor13]

I don't think our defense did so bad tonight. They just got soft on third down. We took away the run for the game, and johnson just hurt us in the worst way

[CarMike]

Figures.... we get a good offense and our D discraces us at home... Penalties on third down.... Getting beat by brad johnson....

Irony how this goes...

Can i get a number on our Time of possesion?
Bottom line: Our redzone offense still sucks this year. Looks a lot like last years.

When we get in the redzone, we need TDs, not FGs

[danny's stogie]

Give BJ some credit, he threw like 3 bad passes all game.

[GoSkins!36]

my god our Defense needs some work! at least offense has an excuse but our defense.....wow

[ryflan47]

Bottom line: Our redzone offense still sucks this year. Looks a lot like last years.

When we get in the redzone, we need TDs, not FGs

Our redzone offense was horrible. When you rely on John Hall 4 times in a game, something is wrong.

[JakeIron]

Actually 16 pts. againts the vikes --> offense sucked as did defense... The whole team sucked. We were beat on the 3rd down on both sides of the ball. A Lot of work to do. Win next week and everything is fine... lose and the season is in danger.

I feel sick. We had every opportunity to win this game. We score 3 pts. in the 2nd half.

[ConradCountry]

The offense was not that good they looked horrible in the 2nd half until the gun was to their head.

[3Taylor6]

def wouldnt say our offense looked good...good offense= more than 16 points and mark didnt look bad but he certaintly didnt do a good job of spreading the ball around

[LATrueRedskin]

Carlos Rogers still needs work.

[Fathead]

Missed opportunities. How many redzone opportunities did we have?

[lakeskin]

Offense was pretty porous in the second half. Our CB's just couldnt cover the vaunted recieving corps of the Vikings. Im kinda worried about next week.

[ryflan47]

def wouldnt say our offense looked good...good offense= more than 16 points and mark didnt look bad but he certaintly didnt do a good job of spreading the ball around

Not to pick an excuse out for losing the game, but this game is completely if Portis gets 25 touches. He should be ready for next week.

[Redskin-4-life]

Defense sucks because they can't get any pressure with the down four, and they get 0 penetration on the line. Until we can get pressure with our down four, our CBs are going to get exposed.

[Dolla Bill]

This game would be totally different if Springs was in. No way Williamson would of gotten that many yards.

[44FAN]

I think missing Sean Springs really hurt. Our corners were exposed. Their receivers dropped some very catchable balls. Still not much of a pass rush. I thought Greg Williams was supposed to confuse Johnson? Didn't happen.

[HollywoodKolt]

Missed opportunities. How many redzone opportunities did we have?
I think it was four. 1 touchdown 3 field goals, that's awful.

[lakeskin]

This game would be totally different if Springs was in. No way Williamson would of gotten that many yards.

Guy wasnt even their number one reciever. He plays for Green Bay now. What happens when we play a team with good receivers? Very dissapointing.

[Fathead]

I think it was four. 1 touchdown 3 field goals, that's awful.



Bare minimum should be 2 and 2. Bare minimum. And not making it in when inside the 5 is just inexcusable.


Buges better get the o line working right by next week.

[danny's stogie]

I think missing Sean Springs really hurt. Our corners were exposed. Their receivers dropped some very catchable balls. Still not much of a pass rush. I thought Greg Williams was supposed to confuse Johnson? Didn't happen.

Brad Johnson isn't easily rattled or confused. Pretty pointless to send the dogs when he just bounces right back up.

[Apache]

A couple key penalties are to blame and settling for a field goal down at the 3 yd line are some reasons for this dismal play. John Hall needs to be replaced. I feel like we constantly have to worry about his groin injury's all the time. That kick was plenty far enough and he shanked it which is all on him. Coming off a poor pre season and now to lose against a team that should have been a win, I don't see how we're going to make it to the playoffs. Keep in mind, we are once again learning a new offense and now the "D" isn't quite as effective. They played alright for awhile but, there were too many holes left wide open for their RB. I guess you could say between Smoot and BJ, they wanted it more than the skins did. Hopefully we'll get a couple more key players back next week and can change this direction.

[Fathead]

The good news is there are things that are fixable with what happened. The bad news is that we have a short week to do it.

[HAWGZHEAD]

Having Springs back wouldn't have stopped Rogers getting exposed by mediocre receivers. He played bad tonight.

[44FAN]

Brad Johnson isn't easily rattled or confused. Pretty pointless to send the dogs when he just bounces right back up.
Yeah but you can't let him stand upright just picking his receivers. Did Andre Carter even play?

[inevitable]

I know Santana got clocked, but he has to hold onto that. He's a big time receiver, that was a big time play.

People were hitting eachother like someone insulted someone's mamma. There were some real licks out there.

[3Taylor6]

[QUOTE=HAWGZHEAD]Having Springs back wouldn't have stopped Rogers getting exposed by mediocre receivers. He played bad tonight.[/Q

when have u seen him play great...i have seen him ok but never great since we drafted him

[Death_Venom]

I think Springs not playing and not stopping the run on left side (our right side) hurt us quite a bit..............

[SkinsfaninNJ]

We had too many short series offensively in second half with only 73 yards going into last drive. The def. was on the field a lot in the second half.

I'm not making excuses, but I think the inability of the offense to stay on the field affected the defense.

[skins74]

Yeah but you can't let him stand upright just picking his receivers. Did Andre Carter even play?


Yeah, I am still waiting to see #99 do something.

[bergiemoore]

As sick as I feel right now, I'm trying to stay calm.

We had some pretty bad luck w/ penalties, and some really bone-headed moves in the 2nd half, that gave a fresh set of downs to the Vikes. Penalties proved to be very costly in this game.

Defense stunk it up on 3rd down. I think that our entire secondary was caught standing around while Brad Johnson carved up the zone defense on 3rd and long. Still waiting for a pass-rush.

Offense was unable to capitalize on redzone oppurtunities and short-fields. Too often we saw Brunell lofting the ball to the benches on critical 3rd downs. We ran the ball pretty well w/ Portis, but were never able to establish a bonafide running game. I think that our strength on this team last year was our run game. We chewed up massive amounts of clock and were able to set the pace of games. Look to the offense to put it back on Portis for the Dallas game.

Special teams was mixed bag. Some brilliant returns by Randel El, and Betts, but our coverage broke down a couple of times. Also a penalty was thrown in as well, not major, but still there.

Overall, our defense gets a "D" (and not in a good way), while our offense languishes w/ a "C-/D+". Special teams gets a "C" in my opinion.

The only thing that will make me feel better about the Skins is a 35-0 win over Dallas next week. HTTR

[Death_Venom]

I don't think we spread the ball around enuff to other WR's either................

[Biggie]

I saw Carter, but I think he might have gotten real pressure once in the whole game... he had a few tackles, but that's not what we signed him for.

[RedskinsVision]

Without Springs and Prioleau our secondary got exposed and Williams couldn't blitz nearly as often as he wanted to. That and the lack of a pass rush from our front 4 was the reason why a smart QB like Johnson torched us on 3rd downs.

[lakeskin]

I saw Carter, but I think he might have gotten real pressure once in the whole game... he had a few tackles, but that's not what we signed him for.

He did go up against a pretty good left tackle tonight. Next week he should be wreaking havoc.

[LATrueRedskin]

Without Springs and Prioleau our secondary got exposed and Williams couldn't blitz nearly as often as he wanted to. That and the lack of a pass rush from our front 4 was the reason why a smart QB like Johnson torched us on 3rd downs.

Yeah, it was a tragedy to see such a good player in Prioleau go down on the very first play. I knew we were in trouble then. He's a very, very good player.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

One of my biggest complaints was the inablity of our secondary to hold onto interceptions. We dropped two and should have had a third.

[mexskins]

I have to disagree.

Again our offense scores less than 20 points and we expect to win ??

Sure, the defense did not show up today but give me a break, if we cant score 20 points we dont deserve to win, period.

I am so sad :(

[Fathead]

Our offense should be scoring a minimum of 21 points a game.

[NCskinsfanatic]

Yeah, it was a tragedy to see such a good player in Prioleau go down on the very first play. I knew we were in trouble then. He's a very, very good player.
I think this was huge... P2 is in a lot of packages and I agree him and Springs missing hurt us especially on 3rd down.

[shally]

Figures.... we get a good offense and our D discraces us at home... Penalties on third down.... Getting beat by brad johnson....

Irony how this goes...

Can i get a number on our Time of possesion?

disgracefull.. how many points ?? you got to block the def line and keep them off the qb...

[vbskins]

archuletta was a liabilty tonight

[Apache]

We were able to move the ball tonight but, then again this was a game I think we all thought would have been a "W". If we're able to at least move the ball the rest of the season then there is hope. We didn't seem to have too many 3 and out's tonight. Both teams seemed to get something as small as that something was. Brunnell was a true leader tonight getting us into field goal range for a chance for OT. Too bad Randall El was just shy or we could have gotten a little closer but, then again Hall's kick was plenty long enough. Gee it seems I keep going back to Hall... LOL

[NCskinsfanatic]

Their Offensive and Defensive lines dominated ours and that is the bottom line. They're O line is what made our D look so bad, Brad had all day. It could've been much worse without the dropped passes and a missed FG .

That's why I can't pin it all on Hall or the penalties, the game could have been out of reach before Seans penalty or Halls miss with the way the skins D buckled on 3rd down. True the O couldve shown more but the D let the Vikes stay on the field time and time again by allowing them to convert on
3rd downs.

And when we needed our O to move the ball at the end they did...they only had the ball 5 times in the 2nd half. Yet when we needed the D they gave up 3rd and whatever over and over, they helped keep the offense off the field with their play in the 2nd half.

[LATrueRedskin]

archuletta was a liabilty tonight

Carlos Rogers was a liability tonight. Archuleta played decent, but nobody besides Marcus played very well on defense.

[sprcr]

There's no getting away from the fact that the team laid an egg and I have to wonder how much having PP hurt on the kickoff just took the air out.

1) You cant kick FGs from inside the 20 3 times and expect to win

2) We made Brad Johnson look like a super hero on 3rd down

3) No pressure, zero sacks, zero takeaways

4) love Randle El, but take a step 1 foot further foward for the 1st at the end of regulation

5) Sean Taylor.. love you, but stupid tonight

6) Betts. The guy has the tools, but no heart. Its like charisma, you cant put your finger on it but Portis has it, and Betts doesnt. Zero impact.

7) One completion to cooley for minus yards? Cmon now, thats on Saunders

8) Zero catches by Lloyd? Reminds you of last year, in a bad way.

Not a lot of good things going on if your being objective. O didnt score in the red zone, D couldnt get off the field and special teams continue to be below average. The Dallas game just became a week two must win I think.

Alan

[shally]

Carlos Rogers was a liability tonight. Archuleta played decent, but nobody besides Marcus played very well on defense.

arch constantly had his back to the qb on pass plays.. he looked out of position

[Dept_of_Defense]

Carlos Rogers was a liability tonight. Archuleta played decent, but nobody besides Marcus played very well on defense.
Yeah I know. Carlos got burned more than a few times tonight, and if it wasn't for Williamson dropping 2 or 3 balls, it might not have been as close as it was. I was really dissapointed overall in the whole game. The only positive I saw out of this was that we didn't have any turnovers, and I don't believe Brunell was sacked. Why didn't we use Duckett more in the redzone? Did Cooley only touch the ball once? Prior to the game I thought Steve Hutchinson was way overpaid and overrated, but after watching him dominate Cornelius Griffin tonight, I've really changed my mind.

[whistleandthumb]

Defense rarely stopped the run, particularly in the 4th Quarter, and NEVER stopped them on 3rd down. And not even SHORT 3rd down plays... LOOOONG 3rd down plays. The defense tonight was MEDIOCRE at best, and it's going to take a lot more than that to stop the Dallass offense next week. A lot more.

How many sacks did we have?

How many TO's did we have?

[bergiemoore]

Defense rarely stopped the run, particularly in the 4th Quarter, and NEVER stopped them on 3rd down. And not even SHORT 3rd down plays... LOOOONG 3rd down plays. The defense tonight was MEDIOCRE at best, and it's going to take a lot more than that to stop the Dallass offense next week. A lot more.

The defense held the Vikes to an average of 2.5 per carry, for a total of 86 yards. Our run defense was not the problem. Brad Johnson was able to carve up our zone defense on 3rd and whatever. We had some bone-headed penalties that helped the Vikes extend drives in the second half. Most importantly, we were abysmaal in the redzone on offense.

[LATrueRedskin]

Defense rarely stopped the run, particularly in the 4th Quarter, and NEVER stopped them on 3rd down. And not even SHORT 3rd down plays... LOOOONG 3rd down plays. The defense tonight was MEDIOCRE at best, and it's going to take a lot more than that to stop the Dallass offense next week. A lot more.

How many sacks did we have?

How many TO's did we have?

Zero and zero. Our MAJOR problem was not being able to stop them on 3rd down. We played the run pretty good, only giving up 2.8 per carry, but we gave up key runs on 3rd down. We played the pass pretty well on 1st and 2nd down, but for some reason we couldn't defend on 3rd down. They had nine 3rd down conversions.

[danny's stogie]

Defense rarely stopped the run, particularly in the 4th Quarter, and NEVER stopped them on 3rd down. And not even SHORT 3rd down plays... LOOOONG 3rd down plays. The defense tonight was MEDIOCRE at best, and it's going to take a lot more than that to stop the Dallass offense next week. A lot more.

How many sacks did we have?

How many TO's did we have?

Defense was stout against the run, 80 yards, 2.5 a carry. Can't ask for much more. The 3rd down conversion rate is something else though, but we really need to give BJ credit. He played a heck of a game, made great throws. He won the game, the Skins defense didn't lose it.

[rhummer37]

From what I have seen G. Williams thrives off of game tape. There was very little for this game, considering that Minnesota has a new coach and it was the beginning of the season.

I'm not too worried about our defense, although the injuries aren't helping.

G. Williams is a great coach, he will have the defense ready in good time.

[OCSKINSFAN]

Defense was stout against the run, 80 yards, 2.5 a carry. Can't ask for much more. The 3rd down conversion rate is something else though, but we really need to give BJ credit. He played a heck of a game, made great throws. He won the game, the Skins defense didn't lose it.

The Skins defense didn't play well enough to win. BJ did very well, no question, but he had all day to throw. BJ is a very accurate QB, but can be defeated with pressure. The Skins just didn't apply any. Did anyone hear Carter's name mentioned?

[oldskinfan]

They didn't stink up the joint like Tampa Bay or Oakland, but....

- 266 yds of offense and 16 pts at home is poor; but unlike 2004/05, I think the talent is there and it will take 3-4 games to get into a rhythm w/ Saunders' offense. Offense was mediocre. I think Brunell played well but could have taken a few more chances in the red zone. It was like they were playing not to lose vs. to win. Converting 4/13 3rd downs sucks.

Other side of the same coin

- Giving up 19 pts and 306 yds is "not bad" -but two key penalties for 30 yds (personal fouls) and giving up a few key big plays killed us. With Prioleau, Springs hurt, the secondary looked very ordinary and "out of synch". Also allowing 9/17 3rd down conversions is unacceptable.

Special teams made a few big plays, but also had some short kickoffs and poor coverage.

This whole team seems out of synch and played like an 8-8 team. Let's hope they are a late blooming team and find enough good mojo to get to 10-6 and back in the playoffs.

[whistleandthumb]

Defense was stout against the run, 80 yards, 2.5 a carry. Can't ask for much more. The 3rd down conversion rate is something else though, but we really need to give BJ credit. He played a heck of a game, made great throws. He won the game, the Skins defense didn't lose it.
Ah, but it was when we chose to stop the run that made the difference. Especially late in the game. Chester Taylor was doing a nice job of picking up 6 here, 7 there, and giving the Vikes manageable 2nd and 3rd downs.

Not that it mattered much anyway, since we got the Vikes into 3rd and a mile most of the night, and continued to leave the middle of the field wide open. Just like we did against the Pats. Ugh.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Actually I think we were pretty mediocre across the board tonight..our defense was unable to stop any kind of 3rd down situation, and that makes whatever happens on 1st and 2nd down useless, we did not force 1 turnover, got no pressure on Johnson, got very lucky on a few plays (especially one drop by Williamson in the 1st quarter), and in general never took over the game.
On offense we scored 1 TD (too little), sucked in the red-zone, were pretty bad in converting 3rd downs, and never really generated much momentum or got somebody on fire. Our O is obviously a work in progress at this point.
On special teams we started out right where we had left off. Bad coverage, Frost was extremely inconsistent on both punts and kickoffs, and Hall right now is useless from over 40 yards.
So in general in my opinion, it was a mediocre game. Not horrible, but I never saw anything particularly great.

[bigcmr]

3rd downs killed us. Too many plays where there was 3 too 5 defenders in the area and they still pulled in the catch. That will kill a team.

[Syllable]

Defense was stout against the run, 80 yards, 2.5 a carry. Can't ask for much more. The 3rd down conversion rate is something else though, but we really need to give BJ credit. He played a heck of a game, made great throws. He won the game, the Skins defense didn't lose it.
no... its not the points that im worried about its the time of possession, they had the ball all game, our drives finished up in like 4 mins, they took like 10 each drive. Our defense cant stop them on third down so ypc dont mean a thing.

I do have to say that their 12th man was the refs.

[MONK_in_HOF]

arch constantly had his back to the qb on pass plays.. he looked out of position

I noticed the same thing. I was worried about him prior to the season b/c of his lack of coverage skills. Last night just amplified my concerns. I really hope he can turn it around. Same goes for Rogers, who even though he had the worst game I am less worried about. I hope this games serves as a huge learning experience for Rogers. Getting toasted by mediocre WR is not good.

[dukeuch]

Defense didn't look great, but hell, if you give up one touchdown and 16 points a game, you can expect to win a lot of games...unless your "O" can only score one touchdown and your FG kicker CANNOT hit from outside of the 45.

Seriously, how long do we keep Hall around? Did anyone think he was going to hit his last attempt? A 48 yarder is no gimme, but lots of guys make more of them than they miss, and I seriously doubt Hall has the leg to reach from that distance without really trying to pound it.

Brunell sucks. He really surprised me last year with his play down the stretch, which I give him credit for, but he sucks.

[dj_stouty]

Brunell sucks. He really surprised me last year with his play down the stretch, which I give him credit for, but he sucks.

The guy played a good game last night. No turnovers...played smart...and his passes were accurate and sharp. I think that is better than expected considering he has a new playbook and hasn't had a lot of time to develop chemistry with his new receivers.

I believe there were only 2 or 3 shots downfield all night, so that is a major reason why he didn't eclipse 200 passing yards. And the moss drop in the endzone sure didn't help the scoreboard.

[BIGSEF3]

OFFENSE:
Really not as bad as everyone is making out. We moved up and down the field, had half a dozen plays of 20+ yards and didnt commit any offensive penalties if i can remember. We just couldnt punch it in in the redzone. If you remember, we had those same problems last year early on and we got that worked out pretty quickly. My only gripe with the offense is the playcalling. If Saunders doesnt start calling a more aggressive offense, I am all for benching Brunell for Campbell, because right now Brunell isnt getting asked to do much of anything a 5 year old girl couldnt do. And thats not a knock against Brunell; its just an observation that Campbell could throw screen passes and hand off to Portis/Betts just as well as the next guy. Since he's the future, we might as well put him in, if thats all we're going to do.

DEFENSE:
Not bad at all. We are all focusing on the negative but we stopped 3rd downs just about as much as we gave up. I think Springs and Preilou being out really hurt us there. But on the plus side, The Vikes have this vaunted "9-figure" offensive line and you know how much the Vikes averaged running the ball: 2.5YPC. I dont know what they were talking about on sportscenter praising their line. We also showed that we are succeptable to the big play, but thats the nature of Williams defense. I will remind everyone that a defense that can hold an NFL offense to 16 points isnt all that bad.

The Vikings really surprised me with how they played. Childress' experience against the skins definately helped them and I must say I am very impressed with them. If they go on to make the playoffs, I'll definately feel better about this loss. Now if only we had kept brad johnson all these years I'm happy for the SOB, despite the fact he taunted us by wearing his old skins jersey after the game. Old guy must have some hard feelings still.

[BurgundyNGold]

Actually 16 pts. againts the vikes --> offense sucked as did defense... The whole team sucked. We were beat on the 3rd down on both sides of the ball. A Lot of work to do. Win next week and everything is fine... lose and the season is in danger.

I feel sick. We had every opportunity to win this game. We score 3 pts. in the 2nd half.
This pretty much sums it up, I think.

[gibbsisgod]

Bottom line: Our redzone offense still sucks this year. Looks a lot like last years.

When we get in the redzone, we need TDs, not FGs


yup... cooley was open on one occassion and brunell didn't pull the trigger.



this was one reason i didn't get down on hall. he was 3 for 4 and that one was 48 yards. we should have taken care of it ealier.

[Oldschoolskins]

yup... cooley was open on one occassion and brunell didn't pull the trigger.

Haven't really felt like going back and watching the tape, but seems to me that Cooley was open many times during the game and MB seemed to ignore him, and on several occasions threw the ball out of bounds under pressure when Cooley seemed an easy shot. Thought at the time it was very odd, and wondered if a chemistry issue had developed between them or something.

[shally]

Figures.... we get a good offense and our D discraces us at home... Penalties on third down.... Getting beat by brad johnson....

Irony how this goes...

Can i get a number on our Time of possesion?


upon further review, this loss is as much the fault as the offense as the defense. you cannot expect to win scoring 16 points... you expect to win if you hold a visitor to 19 points.
4 trips to the redzone with 3 fg's ?? unacceptable

[BIGSEF3]

yup... cooley was open on one occassion and brunell didn't pull the trigger.



this was one reason i didn't get down on hall. he was 3 for 4 and that one was 48 yards. we should have taken care of it ealier.
but the 3 he made were from 22-27 yards. those were essentially "extra point" kicks. i'm not down on hall for missing a 48yarder. its HOW BAD he missed it as well as knowing with 100% certainty that we can never count on him for anything beyond 40 yards.

Why we didnt go after Vinateri or another solid kicker in the offseason still baffles me. Joe Gibbs has this love affair with John Hall but he hasnt been healthy or good the entire time Gibbs has been here. Kickers are cheap and we had cap room. Theres no reason to not have gotten a good kicker this offseason.

[shally]

but the 3 he made were from 22-27 yards. those were essentially "extra point" kicks. i'm not down on hall for missing a 48yarder. its HOW BAD he missed it as well as knowing with 100% certainty that we can never count on him for anything beyond 40 yards.

Why we didnt go after Vinateri or another solid kicker in the offseason still baffles me. Joe Gibbs has this love affair with John Hall but he hasnt been healthy or good the entire time Gibbs has been here. Kickers are cheap and we had cap room. Theres no reason to not have gotten a good kicker this offseason.


water under the bridge now.. gibbs says he has confidence in hall. so we live or die with him

[BIGSEF3]

water under the bridge now.. gibbs says he has confidence in hall. so we live or die with him

He also said good things about Arrington, Coles, Ramsey etc. No since in ruining a guys confidence in case you arent able to replace him.

[Apache]

BIGSEF3, Regarding your comment about BJ taunting us after the game wearing his Redskin jersey. Just remember that BJ was a childhood Redskin fan from Virginia. He truly wanted to be a Redskin and probably still would. I don't think he was taunting us, he was just showing his true colors. BURGUNDY and GOLD!!!
He's a SKINS fan deep down....

[smoak]

BIGSEF3, Regarding your comment about BJ taunting us after the game wearing his Redskin jersey. Just remember that BJ was a childhood Redskin fan from Virginia. He truly wanted to be a Redskin and probably still would. I don't think he was taunting us, he was just showing his true colors. BURGUNDY and GOLD!!!
He's a SKINS fan deep down....

I agree and it is too bad he played here when Snyder was at his WORST!