Why don't we play flag?

[santanadasavior]

The NFL has done everything possible to destroy football. Defenses must tackle using supernatural force to avoid penalties. There is so much protecting of the players that football is becoming baseball in terms of contact. It is ridiculous. Thoughts?

[skins74]

I understand the protecting the Qb a little but the rest of the guys come on!

[ryflan47]

Taylor got flagged on a routine hit. He barely hit the receiver with his helmet, and from the angle they showed it looked like he hit mostly with his shoulder.

I'm not going to be a homer here, the PF on the Vikes for Roughing Brunell was a pretty bad call too.

I feel like officiating gets worse with each passing year.

[Redskin4Life]

Taylor got flagged on a routine hit. He barely hit the receiver with his helmet, and from the angle they showed it looked like he hit mostly with his shoulder.

I'm not going to be a homer here, the PF on the Vikes for Roughing Brunell was a pretty bad call too.

I feel like officiating gets worse with each passing year.
The Brunell call was consistent with what the officials called all yesterday. The ball was away and the defender hit the QB, pushing him to the ground. That was definitely flagrant and could have been avoided. The Taylor hit, on the otherhand, was ridiculous... I could have hit the receiver harder than Sean did (and I'm 5'7 160?!?!?!?)...

[santanadasavior]

Taylor got flagged on a routine hit. He barely hit the receiver with his helmet, and from the angle they showed it looked like he hit mostly with his shoulder.

I'm not going to be a homer here, the PF on the Vikes for Roughing Brunell was a pretty bad call too.

I feel like officiating gets worse with each passing year.

Either way the NFL is getting soft, despite the fact that it goes both ways, we just happen to have a team that is physical and is going to get more of those bad calls. And I think Kornheiser was right, the first call at least on Taylor was a rep call. Which is crap and even more so considering this is the crew that saw Taylor spit in Pittman's face.

[santanadasavior]

The Brunell call was consistent with what the officials called all yesterday. The ball was away and the defender hit the QB, pushing him to the ground. That was definitely flagrant and could have been avoided. The Taylor hit, on the otherhand, was ridiculous... I could have hit the receiver harder than Sean did (and I'm 5'7 160?!?!?!?)...

And he hit him in the shoulder and the ball was right there. Last time I checked its not unnecisary roughness when what you do knocks the ball free.

[Apache]

Taylors routine hit was BS indeed but, his choice to face mask cost us even more. These are professionals who should know better. As hard as he hits, he doesn't need to grab a mask. He just needs to calculate his hits better so he doesn't resort to bad decisions.

[LATrueRedskin]

Taylors routine hit was BS indeed but, his choice to face mask cost us even more. These are professionals who should know better. As hard as he hits, he doesn't need to grab a mask. He just needs to calculate his hits better so he doesn't resort to bad decisions.

It wasn't his "choice" to pull on a player's facemask. For the most part, those penalties just happen and it's unfortunate. Honestly, that one didn't look like a 15-yarder to me, his grab didn't change the direction of the players head or jerk him by any means.

I agree that it's very disappointing how the refs call everything a penalty nowadays. Players look for a flag on every incomplete pass, and if you touch a player when tackling him, it's a 15-yarder. These type of call decide games, and it's unfortunate when a game is decided on a questionable call. This is football, players should go do synchronized swimming if they can't take the hits.

[becky]

It wasn't his "choice" to pull on a player's facemask. For the most part, those penalties just happen and it's unfortunate. Honestly, that one didn't look like a 15-yarder to me, his grab didn't change the direction of the players head or jerk him by any means.

I agree that it's very disappointing how the refs call everything a penalty nowadays. Players look for a flag on every incomplete pass, and if you touch a player when tackling him, it's a 15-yarder. These type of call decide games, and it's unfortunate when a game is decided on a questionable call. This is football, players should go do synchronized swimming if they can't take the hits.


My god, that drives me crazy.

The facemask is always going to be called, but that first personal foul was completely ridiculous and IMO the call was made only because of the name on the back of his jersey.

[jporterweb]

In my opinon 99% of face masks are incidental. Hell sometimes guys get their fingers caught and can't get them out. Regardless it would've never happened if not for that first roughness call. Sean was right to be upset about that, he did nothing wrong. Even Williams was saying "Ahhhhh Horse***Censored by Spence***" or something similar I'm sure.

[MONK_in_HOF]

The only call I have a problem with from last night is Sean Taylor's unnecessary roughness call. He hit the guy with his shoulder a second after the guy dropped the ball. I think Tony Kornhole was right and this call was based off reputation, and the fact he hit the WR so hard. I wouldn't have so much of a problem with this call if it wasn't for the no call on the next drive when Lloyd was drilled flat in the back after Brunell sailed the ball 10 feet over his head. Other than that double standard I think the Skins made out pretty nice with calls.

[Kope65]

The only call I have a problem with from last night is Sean Taylor's unnecessary roughness call. He hit the guy with his shoulder a second after the guy dropped the ball. I think Tony Kornhole was right and this call was based off reputation, and the fact he hit the WR so hard. I wouldn't have so much of a problem with this call if it wasn't for the no call on the next drive when Lloyd was drilled flat in the back after Brunell sailed the ball 10 feet over his head. Other than that double standard I think the Skins made out pretty nice with calls.

I agree with you 100%.

[GibbsFan]

The NFL has everything going for it now, increasing market share and popularity but that will change if they want to remove the physical contact from FB. I understand protecting the QB's, but that call was pure BS. Rep or not if you can't hit a receiver on the sideline who can still make a play on the ball then the game is doomed to morph into some pseudo soccer crap.

[IllinoiSkinFan]

It has gotten real bad. Sunday I can remember which game it was but the qb was about to be tackled so he did a pump fake, the attacker fooled by the pump fake pulled back as to not hit the qb and get a penalty. The qb then had enough time to throw the ball. Has the nfl gone a little to far in coddling the QBs? Hell yea! QBs take many more risks now because they are treated differently.

Also, all the celebration rules need to be eased up some as well.

[IllinoiSkinFan]

It wasn't his "choice" to pull on a player's facemask. For the most part, those penalties just happen and it's unfortunate. Honestly, that one didn't look like a 15-yarder to me, his grab didn't change the direction of the players head or jerk him by any means.

I hate to admit it but I watched it several time in slow motion and he does pull the players head in a different direction AND when he is trying to get his fingers out of the mask he actually slightly shakes the player's head to the left and right.

I could see how it was a 15 yard penalty.

I am not saying he did it on purpose.

[Patrick]

Easy way to solve this - Remove the helmets :rolleyes:

[Syllable]

I wish I knew who officiated the First TB game last year, Im getting a a feeling that its the same crew who keeps doing this to us.

[hail2skins]

Am I missing something, what's the deal with the title of this thread?

[HAWGZHEAD]

Am I missing something, what's the deal with the title of this thread?I think he left out the word football at the end of the title.

[santanadasavior]

I think he left out the word football at the end of the title.

Yup, my bad. I was in a state of anger when I made it so my grasp on the english language escaped me. Being a physical team this is going to continue to plague us because people cannot be hit anymore.

[bwparker]

My 2 cents:

I think the NFL is getting too soft. But I like to be very clear on one matter. This is not an indictment of the players, its the refs and rules comittee. The players are playing tough and both making and taking big hits, but the flag throwing is nuetering their ability to play. Protect the players from malicious and unneccessary hits, especially ones that are avoidable and have a high percentage of injury, but let them play the game.

[shally]

The NFL has done everything possible to destroy football. Defenses must tackle using supernatural force to avoid penalties. There is so much protecting of the players that football is becoming baseball in terms of contact. It is ridiculous. Thoughts?

given the number of severe injuries, given the number of players on IR every year, given the percentages of players who have surgery every off season... you might want to re think your position.. by the time most players retire their bodies are totally beat up

[jporterweb]

Honestly, I would love to see Vince try and pull off the XFL again... only problem is the only place left is ABC now... and I don't think they would go for it. If it was done a little differently, it would work. Lets just leave the wrestlers and psychotic ceo off the field and out of the press box and play some real smashmouth football... It would work... there is no denying that. Just no one but him would have the balls to do it let alone just try it again.... He still owns everything and if he tweaked a few things there would be some big time hitting football to watch again.

P.S. I would still watch my beloved Redskins with the same fiery passion.. I just want to see real football once in a while.

[Syllable]

Honestly, I would love to see Vince try and pull off the XFL again... only problem is the only place left is ABC now... and I don't think they would go for it. If it was done a little differently, it would work. Lets just leave the wrestlers and psychotic ceo off the field and out of the press box and play some real smashmouth football... It would work... there is no denying that. Just no one but him would have the balls to do it let alone just try it again.... He still owns everything and if he tweaked a few things there would be some big time hitting football to watch again.

P.S. I would still watch my beloved Redskins with the same fiery passion.. I just want to see real football once in a while.
Amen, my rule is, if it isn't hitting the qb it isn't hitting hard enough.

Sort of like if your not hitting the qb your not hitting the other person hard enough.

[santanadasavior]

given the number of severe injuries, given the number of players on IR every year, given the percentages of players who have surgery every off season... you might want to re think your position.. by the time most players retire their bodies are totally beat up

I understand that but it is also part of the game for people to get hit when they go up for a pass. I'm tired of the refs protecting offenses and giving defense a tough time. The NFL wants points because points means viewers. I am a fan of tough, hard-nosed defense, so maybe that is why I don't like the protecting of the players as much as they do.

[shally]

I understand that but it is also part of the game for people to get hit when they go up for a pass. I'm tired of the refs protecting offenses and giving defense a tough time. The NFL wants points because points means viewers. I am a fan of tough, hard-nosed defense, so maybe that is why I don't like the protecting of the players as much as they do.

same as the nhl.. the league wanted goals to be scored.. that was the end of defense.

same in the nfl. they want points. qb's score points. thus the directives

they are hypocrites because they allow chop blocks. so it is not all about protection. it is about points. simple as that. you either adapt your team to the rules or you get left behind..

[bigcmr]

I understand throwing a flag on a head shot to a QB. Because that can be very dangres. But it seems like the NFL is getting too soft at times. I say let the players play football.