SAPP TRADED TO 'SKINS ( ? ) ~ ~ ~

[kelly]

hey guys,
yes, i know you're laughin'/bustin' a gut/cursin', etc.
but, the bucs are letting sapp enter the final year of his contract.
i realize he is NOT 26 years old anymore.
he could be/might be HIGHLY motivated to play at a very productive level.
HE knows d.snyder will pay some major coin for some players.
just a thought. ( DON'T THINK KELLY ! ) :rolleyes:

:banger: :Partyon: :Partybig: :golf: :mfast: :beer: :Partyon: :whoknows:

[Skins57]

Hey I would be willing to listen to wwhat they had to say. Any team would have to listen just to here what they wanted

[CarMike]

No way will Sapp ever play in Washington. Just my opinion of course but I don't see it happening. Not with a lot of our core players contracts coming to an end. Bailey, Lavar, Samuels......

I'd much rather the Redskins go after a DT in the draft next year than over spend for a ageing player who is highly over rated.....that defense makes him seem to be dominant, which he isn't....

[Skaggsrules]

Warren Sapp is the most overratted player in the NFL. The only reason he goes to Pro Bowls is because he talks and talks and talks and talks, goes to the buffet, talks some more, do a little more talkin, do nothin on the field, then talk about how good he is and people eat it up.

[BigCountry]

His price would be alot more then we can afford. I'd rather get Wilfork or Harris either by trading up or by sucking.

[TexSkin]

Na it seems Snyder has learned that lesson already..he seems to like young up and coming players. Which is the way to go IMO.

[jsarno]

Originally posted by Skaggsrules
Warren Sapp is the most overratted player in the NFL. The only reason he goes to Pro Bowls is because he talks and talks and talks and talks, goes to the buffet, talks some more, do a little more talkin, do nothin on the field, then talk about how good he is and people eat it up.


You could not be more wrong. You need to watch HIM and ONLY himduring games. He causes a ton of havoc. He IS the best DT in the game. I'd LOVE to have him, but he'll be too much money, and our salary cap implications will just get worse.

Plus, I don't see the Bucs being that stupid. Sapp is as important to the Bucs as Lavar or Champ is to the skins.

[CarMike]

The Sapp I see is the one that lives off of the Defense around him.

I have to agree with Skaggs on this one. He's the most overrated player in the NFL.

[hail2skins]

The media likes him because he gives them material.

[baralufficus]

I have to agree with jsarno ....

I would love to have Sapp....if you concentrate on him alone , you will see that he causes offences to game plan around him and those LB's ....if Sapp had the LB's from Skins sitting behind him , you would see a real good defense ....good LB's cant do nothing without DL's keeping o-lineman from getting to them ....that is why Brooks , and the rest of the LB's in Tampa are so free to roam around ...cause the D-lineman keep the blockers busy , they know they have to double team Sapp , or he will push the line back into the QB or the RB ...he is a beast , and he is smart out there on the field ....Ive been hearing the same thing for years about Sapp ....but that defense is very good with him ...it will not be the same without him ...watch what i say .....

HTTR~

[JoeDaSchmoe]

Too old, too overpriced, too much like what happened in 2000 for my liking.

[Redbeard]

I'M WITH JSAR & BAR

People are fooling themselves if they think Sapp is living off of anyone. If anything it's the reverse. Would love to have him but it would cost too much.

Sapp is prime going on post-prime though, which is a bad timeline for our team which best years will be 2-4 years from now. With Arrington, Bailey, Trotter, Samuels, Jansen, Coles & Ramsey reaching their prime (scary to think they are still pre-prime). Draft the DT. Still surprised we passed on DT-Rien Long as deep as we were at OG (we even had to cut Sulfstead (sp?))

Neveeeer forgave Casserly for taking Westbrook over Sapp in the draft.

[CarMike]

Well, this is how much the Bucs think of this great DT you guys seem to think he is.....

Buccaneers | McFarland Getting Long-term Deal - from www.KFFL.com
Sun, 17 Aug 2003 13:21:20 -0700

SportsLine.com's Jay Glazer reports Tampa Bay Buccaneers DT Anthony McFarland is on the verge of signing a huge contract extension with the team. Barring any last-minute snags, the deal should be completed early in the upcoming week. One team source said the deal includes approximately $9.5 million in bonus money, but another noted the number was skewed due to the creative setup the team used with the contract.

I can't see them giving Sapp an extension if this deal gets done. Sapp will demand big time money and I don't see how they can do both.......

Seems like the Bucs think more of McFarland than Sapp

[jsarno]

Sapp WILL demand big time money, and he WILL get it, because he's the best at what he does. Tampa knows this, and any person that actually watches him knows this. Unfortunately, he might not be in a tampa uni. Salary cap cuts and salary cap casualties are very much a part of this game. When we have to cut Lavar, it will not be because he sucks, but because he's too good for what we can afford and still have a winning team.

[jsarno]

Can you name me another DT that has 69 sacks in 7years (not including his first year where he only started 8 games). He's a dominant force, and completely changes the offensive / rushing schemes of opponants.
No other DT in the game has his numbers and changes offenses like he does.

[NCskinsfanatic]

Tampa needs a back.How about betts or watson and a 2nd or third for sapp?

[CarMike]

Big talker, no game. Thats Sapp.

[Seebs]

As we don't really see a lot of football here in France, so i don't really know Sapp's play, i was wondering if he could be the kind of DT that needs double team? Could be good. But IMO won't happen

[CarMike]

Seebs, I really don't follow Sapp since he doesn't play for the Skins. But, I really think he's an over rated player. He's getting older and we can't afford him. Not if we want to keep our neuclius (?) together.

I suppose he needs double teamed but he still is a player that survives by his other team mates. I guess you could say that they live off of each other.

I can't stand Sapp and in my eyes it would be like adding Deion Sanders all over again. Sapp and Sanders were two guys that I never wanted to see in the B&G.

[Seebs]

Carmike, your answer is clear!

[Hailyeah]

I'll come down right in the middle of this debate. Sapp is one hell of a force on the line. The motor on the guy is unbelievable when he gets it going. Again, when he gets it going. He doesn't go 200 MPH on every play and his production isn't out of this world wonderful for the level of hype surrounding him. Therfore, he is overrated. Obviously, he's 10 times better than what we have though.

I'm thinking John Randal or Howie Long for the sack question? There have been other sack guys in the interior of the line. Sapp is not the first great one.

[CarMike]

I'll go with your thinking Hailyeah. He's got the motor but doesn't play at the level that he could. And theres little doubt that he's better than what we have. I just don't see us being able to afford him. And I don't think he'd be worth what he's going to be demanding.

[Skaggsrules]

Sapp is alright. But he isn't THAT big time anymore, he's not a Pro Bowler, isn't that big of a force to be paid a lot. To me, he's a 300 pound version of Deion and thats what he'll end up as if he comes to DC.

[REDMAN]

warren sapp will not be traded to the skins for salary cap reasons. i also do not think tampa will trade him because of what they want to accomplish this year...... another title. i think the redskins should maybe try and go after someone more affordable and wait to draft a stud.

[Skinzaholic]

Originally posted by jsarno
Can you name me another DT that has 69 sacks in 7years (not including his first year where he only started 8 games). He's a dominant force, and completely changes the offensive / rushing schemes of opponants.
No other DT in the game has his numbers and changes offenses like he does.

Truthfully... My 4 yr old daughter could get 69 sacks with that defense around her. IMO

[284ever]

Sapp is overrated. I'd rather have Le'Roi Glover than Sapp. Sapp is not the best a what he does... Glover is up there. Sapp does bring energy and emotion, but that flapping mouth will get his team in hot water. I dont think Tampa will pay Sapp what hes looking for.

[jsarno]

Originally posted by CarMike
Seebs, I really don't follow Sapp since he doesn't play for the Skins.


This really says it all. I watched probably 8 or 9 Bucs games last year, and there is no doubt sapp is the best. The only people that say he's overrated are people who don't really watch.
This is a guy that got MVP of a monday night game with only 2 tackles and no sacks. How is that possible? Because he totally disrupts offenses.
Seebs, he is CONSTANTLY double teamed, and he still comes up strong.
You need to listen to those who watch the game...and even those who play it. Have you ever seen or heard another NFL player or coach say this guy is over rated? Or do you hear them say "we need to stop Sapp". The proof is in the pudding.

[Seebs]

Well, i was just saying that the only thing i know is that is double teamed, but he won't come because the trade would be to complicated to happen

[RichardBradley]

While I never beleive that Sapp will play in Washington.. I think that anyone who beleives he is underated is just biased because he talks alot. Sapp is a beast collapsing the pocket. He is a major reason that players like Siemon Rice and Rhonde Barber have career numbers playing alongside him.

[jsarno]

Originally posted by Hailyeah

I'm thinking John Randal or Howie Long for the sack question? There have been other sack guys in the interior of the line. Sapp is not the first great one.

I never said best ever...so Howie doesn't apply. I did say best right now. And he is better than randle hands down right now. Not only that, in Randles last 7 seasons, he has 73 sacks, only 4 more than sapp, and Sapp is known more as a run stopper while Randle is a pass rushing specialist.

[jsarno]

Originally posted by RichardBradley
While I never beleive that Sapp will play in Washington.. I think that anyone who beleives he is underated is just biased because he talks alot. Sapp is a beast collapsing the pocket. He is a major reason that players like Siemon Rice and Rhonde Barber have career numbers playing alongside him.

100% correct!

[jsarno]

Originally posted by Seebs
Well, i was just saying that the only thing i know is that is double teamed, but he won't come because the trade would be to complicated to happen

I think a trade would work if we were willing to give away draft picks...it would be tough to wrestle Sapp from Tampa, but it could be done...the problem would be salary cap. He would also be in affect, a rental. We more than likely could not afford him after this season, therefore we would be giving up a lot just for this season...not worth it if you ask me.

[jsarno]

Originally posted by NCskinsfanatic
Tampa needs a back.How about betts or watson and a 2nd or third for sapp?

Tampa would not go for another unproven in the back field. They did "like" pittman, but he wasn't what they expected...then they traded (or signed can't remember) for Jones (formerly of Arizona) and they are fairly high on him. They do not need another unproven. I like the attempt though. Give up our trash for a future hall of famer! Gotta respect that! :lol1:

[CarMike]

Dude, i'll have my opinion and you can have yours...

[jsarno]

Originally posted by CarMike
Dude, i'll have my opinion and you can have yours...

And you're more than welcome to it.
All I'm saying is, my opinion is well informed, and yours is "just a feeling". No matter what, you're going to maintain your opinion, and there is nothing wrong with that. This wouldn't be a discussion if there wasn't somebody that opposes it.

[TexSkin]

Hehe no reason for the debate here....it aint gonna happen regardless of what we think...Sapp will be a Buc this year because they want to repeat.

[jsarno]

Originally posted by TexSkin
Hehe no reason for the debate here....it aint gonna happen regardless of what we think...Sapp will be a Buc this year because they want to repeat.

The debate kinda turned into "is sapp overrated"...I think we all understand it won't happen.
I'd love to have him and we need him...but not for what it would cost, and Tampa wouldn't be that stupid. If Tampa lost or got rid of Sapp, the other players would suffer. Mentally they would not believe in the orginization. He's their heart and soul.