The Negative Members Only Thread

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

Please use this thread to vent.............

[CarMike]

Please use this thread to vent.............
without attacking members who don't seem to think the same as you!

AND NO PROFANITY!!!

[PennSkinsFan]

without attacking members who don't seem to think the same as you!

AND NO PROFANITY!!!

OR ELSE!

I am tired of babysitting after a loss.

[EHoffman]

In response to CNY in the other thread, I think that the only true fans are ones that are able to question their team when they don't play up to their potential.

[CarMike]

In response to CNY in the other thread, I think that the only true fans are ones that are able to question their team when they don't play up to their potential.
I can see your point. But its the 2nd game of the year. And we're learning a new playbook. Look, i'm not trying to make excuses for anyone. I'm just as upset as you are. I friggen hate losing to the cowgirls as much as I hate to see UNC lose to the dookies. But i'm not about to jump off of a bridge due to a 0-2 start. There's plenty of football yet to be played.

That's all i'm trying to say...

[LATrueRedskin]

In response to CNY in the other thread, I think that the only true fans are ones that are able to question their team when they don't play up to their potential.

Constructive criticism is good, but saying somebody "sucks" or is "old, slow, and fat" is not going to help any and is pointless to post on here.

[suppitty]

Saying "In Gibbs We Trust" doesn't mean anything either.

[CarMike]

And one more point i'd like to make. I don't have a problem when members start a bashing thread. What gets under my skin is when that member only shows up after a loss. There are several type of members like that actually.

I'm not going to call anyone out, but its easy to see for yourselves...

[akhhorus]

In response to CNY in the other thread, I think that the only true fans are ones that are able to question their team when they don't play up to their potential.

Nothing wrong with questioning(and you should), but some of the comments tonight were beyond the pale. And a lot of people making these comments only show up during these kind of games.

[Skins-R-Us]

...but if the point is that somebody is old, fat and slow, then that is the constructive criticism and the point.

And FYI, he is!!!!!

[redskin_rich]

This thread will come back again in the future...

[FunBunch5]

I don't think I am negative, but I am a realist. Do I think they will come out of this funk, definitely.

However, at this time they look lost. They have upgraded every position on the offense except for one. That would be the QB position. I think Jason Campbell would be able to throw for under 100 yards. Therefore, I would like to see the coaching staff give the guy a chance. Sure he may make some mistakes, but hopefully he would be able to put up some scores to balance the negative out.

The defense has looked lost also. However, I really thing the offensive ineptitude has a lot to do with it. The defense is on the field a lot more than it would be if the offense was efficient.

[akhhorus]

Constructive criticism is good, but saying somebody "sucks" or is "old, slow, and fat" is not going to help any and is pointless to post on here.

Yeah, if you're going to say: "So and so sucks", give us a solution. But don't just complain.

[redskinz#1fan]

I have a headache from yelling at the tv...............is that negative enough!

or maybe it's from all the margaritas that I drank! :d


The only negative thing that I have to say is that I can't stand fans (from other teams) that want to call you 100 x during the game to point out every single damn play. I mean these are people that you never talk to, but for some freaking reason they all of a sudden want to talk when the game is on. I had 1 dallas fan call me about 20 times during the game ( did I mention that he also called me about 22 times last year when we played seattle during the playoffs..........I guess he had a lot of time last year, considering The Cowpukes were only playing with themselves in January)! Plus I had one hating :moon1: steelers fan call me about 3 times, for what I don't know! Some people just get their rocks off by hating on you!

[CarMike]

Here's my negativity:

Where in the heck was Lloyd and Cooley? Both have disappeared so far this season.

[Skins-R-Us]

Based on the preseason and the last two games I can not see how we will even finish .500 this year. There would have to be some drastic changes in personnel, coaching and performances on both sides of the ball for us to have a chance. The Cowboys are the 3rd best team in our division and we have 5 more of those to go! And those aren't even the hardest part of our schedule.

If we can not execute, we may have a good draft pick to give a way next year!

[darkwing99]

Yeah, if you're going to say: "So and so sucks", give us a solution. But don't just complain.


Does it really matter if he gives a solution or not.....its not like Gibbs will bench Brunell who looks like crap and let Campbell take his growing pains and lumps right now anyways........yeah,yeah, I know its not practical to start Campbell in a new offense......blah,bla,blah.....

[lakeskin]

Here's my negativity:

Where in the heck was Lloyd and Cooley? Both have disappeared so far this season.

I saw them in the player introduction graphics but after that they were MIA. Cooley looks lost and disheartened out there. And I hardly ever notice Brandon.

[Chief Seeway]

Yeah, if you're going to say: "So and so sucks", give us a solution. But don't just complain.

Example...

Cooley's hair in the intro was beyond hideous.

Solution: Cut it.

[SkinEDip2]

DO NOT USE THIS THREAD TO POST ANYTHING NEGATIVE OR ELSE

I just had one of the administrators ban me from posting because I created the Negative Fans only thread and had to create a new registration and everything. Trust me you have more freedoms in China and Iran.

Anyway, to whoever did the banning : I take back everything negative I have said. Brunnell is a hall of fame quarterback. We will win the superbowl this year and the next 10 years. I will rename my sons names to Joe and Gibbs. I will sell my house and donate the money to the next Skins tailgate party. Go Skins. I hope I am on the good side of the powers that be now. I sincerely apologize.

[Chief Seeway]

Here's my negativity:

Where in the heck was Lloyd and Cooley? Both have disappeared so far this season.

I have a growing suspicion that Cooley isn't the type of TE that Suanders prefers. He may not be here long. While he's on the team though we should utilize his talents.

[akhhorus]

Here's my negativity:

Where in the heck was Lloyd and Cooley? Both have disappeared so far this season.

Cooley especially. He's been MIA throughout the season. Lloyd, you could say, is symptomatic of the offense not throwing it down the field. But with the lack of a running game, cooley has to be a chain mover.

[Chief Seeway]

I just had one of the administrators ban me from posting because I created the Negative Fans only thread

Hopefully there is more to it than that...

[bgforever]

Yeah, if you're going to say: "So and so sucks", give us a solution. But don't just complain.

I thought a good point was made that Saunders may favor Right handed plays more than for Left. I thought this could be a problem as well. Maybe that is WHY Mark Brunell APPEARS to be somehow lost at times, maybe not. Just a thought and I believed it to be a valid point, and if so, would quell my confusion.

As for the other players, those are things that DO happen to anyone in a game, just that it drives me crazy, WHEN THEY DO IT and then guess what?
The DO IT AGAIN.

I understand the folks trying to get everyone to stay positive and I am sure after CLEARLY stating I was pulling for my team till the end, it was obvious I am still optimistic. I do not WRITE off seasons, based on games lost, but when the players lay down and die. That's when you write if off. They just fizzled tonight (died for tonight in my words in another post). But certainly the team, as far as the season goes, aint dead yet. To bring them to life, will not really be as big an adjustment, except in one area.

If the QB again struggles next week with a similar outcome to the first two games, it should be very, very clear, why the O isn't getting a bit more points on the board and the kicker isn't getting the volume to get something from the drives. Other things are understood on player substitution and even a penalty, but when its repeated (doing it at a juncture of the game,where the drive's life depended on discipline) it kills the TEAM and discipline, well,it wasn't there). That's not a JG stamp. That's something else.

[LATrueRedskin]

DO NOT USE THIS THREAD TO POST ANYTHING NEGATIVE OR ELSE

I just had one of the administrators ban me from posting because I created the Negative Fans only thread and had to create a new registration and everything. Trust me you have more freedoms in China and Iran.

Anyway, to whoever did the banning : I take back everything negative I have said. Brunnell is a hall of fame quarterback. We will win the superbowl this year and the next 10 years. I will rename my sons names to Joe and Gibbs. I will sell my house and donate the money to the next Skins tailgate party. Go Skins. I hope I am on the good side of the powers that be now. I sincerely apologize.

:cry:

[CarMike]

DO NOT USE THIS THREAD TO POST ANYTHING NEGATIVE OR ELSE

I just had one of the administrators ban me from posting because I created the Negative Fans only thread and had to create a new registration and everything. Trust me you have more freedoms in China and Iran.

Anyway, to whoever did the banning : I take back everything negative I have said. Brunnell is a hall of fame quarterback. We will win the superbowl this year and the next 10 years. I will rename my sons names to Joe and Gibbs. I will sell my house and donate the money to the next Skins tailgate party. Go Skins. I hope I am on the good side of the powers that be now. I sincerely apologize.
You have a problem with the owners, contact us via PM.

I don't think you were banned. I've been having problems myself. No need to do this on the open forum. that's a bannable offense in itself.

[LATrueRedskin]

I thought a good point was made that Saunders may favor Right handed plays more than for Left. I thought this could be a problem as well. Maybe that is WHY Mark Brunell APPEARS to be somehow lost at times, maybe not. Just a thought and I believed it to be a valid point, and if so, would quell my confusion.

As for the other players, those are things that DO happen to anyone in a game, just that it drives me crazy, WHEN THEY DO IT and then guess what?
The DO IT AGAIN.

I understand the folks trying to get everyone to stay positive and I am sure after CLEARLY stating I was pulling for my team till the end, it was obvious I am still optimistic. I do not WRITE off seasons, based on games lost, but when the players lay down and die. That's when you write if off. They just fizzled tonight (died for tonight in my words in another post). But certainly the team, as far as the season goes, aint dead yet. To bring them to life, will not really be as big an adjustment, except in one area.

If the QB again struggles next week with a similar outcome to the first two games, it should be very, very clear, why the O isn't getting a bit more points on the board and the kicker isn't getting the volume to get something from the drives. Other things are understood on player substitution and even a penalty, but when its repeated (doing it at a juncture of the game,where the drive's life depended on discipline) it kills the TEAM and discipline, well,it wasn't there). That's not a JG stamp. That's something else.

The issue for me is clearly the offensive line, in which everything stems off of it. They can't block long enough for deep routes to run their course, and they can't open any holes in the run game. And if there's no running game, there'll be no passing game. Since our Olineman can't seem to block a simple 4-down lineman pass rush, there'll be no passing game.

My problem with that is, it just seems that Saunders doesn't adjust and still calls the plays that our OLine clearly can't make happen. No quick slants, no quick Cooley out-routes, no curls. Brunell just doesn't have the time in the pocket for these deep plays to develop.

[wewantdallas]

Here's my big negative vent.

I said it earlier. I hate this offense right now. I know it's "learning mode," etc., etc., but I have serious worries that we're moving into some sort of "finesse" offense instead of the relentless pounding nastiness that the Redskins have been known for forever.

I am incredibly annoyed at the arrogance of Saunders. Him saying, "the handcuffs are off" out at Redskins park after the last preseason game particularly pisses me off. That comment got me all fired up, and for what?

I guess what he meant was, "the handcuffs are off. We've gone with manacles and leg irons now."

I just don't understand what's happening out there, and it's obvious no one else does either.

[SkinEDip2]

You have a problem with the owners, contact us via PM.

I don't think you were banned. I've been having problems myself. No need to do this on the open forum. that's a bannable offense in itself.

You know what Carmike...Thanks. I actually do apologize now. Im making an a$$ of myself. Im pissed and partially drunk and maybe I shouldnt even be posting now. Administrators I know you guys work hard to make this such an awesome board. Sorry for seeming like a trouble making member. I should wait until the next day to start posting following a loss. Well goodnight folks.

[Fathead]

My biggest negative is the O line. I said it all offseason that we'd go as far as the O line took us. They were stout in the last 5 games last year. Now they look like they are lost and confused.

[bgforever]

My biggest negative is the O line. I said it all offseason that we'd go as far as the O line took us. They were stout in the last 5 games last year. Now they look like they are lost and confused.

Exactly, there wasn't anything that caused the OLINE to be dominated two weeks in a row, that was a vacation from the offense last year. I saw more plays called that resembled LAST YEAR's offense. Sometimes I gasped at the TIMING. However, the PLAYERS have been together for a year and it just doesn't make sense to me. I am gone for tonight.

HTTR!

[suppitty]

And one more point i'd like to make. I don't have a problem when members start a bashing thread. What gets under my skin is when that member only shows up after a loss. There are several type of members like that actually.

I'm not going to call anyone out, but its easy to see for yourselves...
If you are calling me out, which I think is possible because I am often critical of the skins, I want you to know that it is often much more productive to post during hard times because that is when you get a real debate. When we are winning, 98% of the site in in agreement, and criticisms are ignored by almost everybody. This offseason, for example, everyone was convinced we were poised for a super bowl run, and when a journalist would post something critical of the skins, everyone would immediately bash him, coming up with nicknames for him. If I were to agree with something they said, then I would either A) be completely ignored or B) get accused of not being a real redskins fan. I joined this site when there were 500 members, and have probably poured more into the skins in my time as a fan, than most of the people have who find me to be such a nuisance. I wasn't around for the glory years, so I haven't gotten my return on supporting the skins, but I'm still rooting just as hard for them, no matter how many times they've laid massive eggs. In my opinion message boards are much much better when there is real debate going on (thats what theyre for), and so that's why I stay away from Joe Gibbs/Redskins lovefest threads, and spend more time in ones where real discussion is going on. In my opinion it is the real fans who can take off their burgandy and gold glasses, take off their redskins masks and their redskins capes, and recognise that we have some serious issues as a football team that won't be solved by being blindly optomistic.

I'm exhausted, and devestated by the fact that there is very little to build on at this point. As a football fan, I've seen 2 total playoff wins, and at this point it looks very unlikely that i'll see an increase in that number in what may be my last year living in the dc area.

[RedskinsVision]

I think SkinEDip finally got dried from taking a skinny dip in the bitter pool. And Suppity, In Gibbs I'll ALWAYS Trust. Where's the faith? You on the ship or on the plank? :cool:

[Bill Malinchak]

The issue for me is clearly the offensive line, in which everything stems off of it. They can't block long enough for deep routes to run their course, and they can't open any holes in the run game. And if there's no running game, there'll be no passing game. Since our Olineman can't seem to block a simple 4-down lineman pass rush, there'll be no passing game.

My problem with that is, it just seems that Saunders doesn't adjust and still calls the plays that our OLine clearly can't make happen. No quick slants, no quick Cooley out-routes, no curls. Brunell just doesn't have the time in the pocket for these deep plays to develop.


I couldn't agree more. Our O-lineman were just getting beat straight up. All of them. They've been reading too many of their press clippings about how good they are.

It makes it that much harder to figure out what is going on with Saunders system. If they can't block worth a lick, then any system will fail. I hear so much about how they love to run block, but they can't knock anybody on their butts.

[BurgundyNGold]

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/6205/t2panicbuttonqb9.jpg

Go ahead.

Push it.

You know you want to...

:D

[bgforever]

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/6205/t2panicbuttonqb9.jpg

Go ahead.

Push it.

You know you want to...

:D

That is so cruel to the helpless souls out there lamenting their mental anguish!
How could you??? LOL!!

[redskin_rich]

Go ahead.

Push it.

You know you want to...


I already smashed mine into oblivion with a sledgehammer, I've moved ahead now. :)
I'm working with the 'relax' button now, I think it will be more useful.. ;)

[BurgundyNGold]

That is so cruel to the helpless souls out there lamenting their mental anguish!
How could you??? LOL!!
I just wish I had done it sooner, lol.

[PotomacGator]

Well one thing seems clear we'll have to wait 'til we play another solid team to get an idea of how the o-line will fair out, no offense to the Texans. Unless we beat them 42-7 I'm not going to get excited.

What's frustrating is now having to rely on both Brunell AND the O-line to get their stuff together, get in sync, and play better. I hope we're that lucky. I know some of you think that the two will suddenly transform if CP's in and having a good game (hell, I hope you're right) but...I don't know...this team needs to be worked this next week of practice and beyond!

[BurgundyNGold]

When is the bye week? Can we just take it now? :D

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

if mario williams gets a sack against us, im leaving this board and never watching another redskins game again.

:D

[RedskinsVision]

if mario williams gets a sack against us, im leaving this board and never watching another redskins game again.

:D

LoL I was thinking the same thing. Except for the leaving this board and never watching another Redskins game again. I'm a glutton for punishment. :D

[bantu]

if mario williams gets a sack against us, im leaving this board and never watching another redskins game again.

:D


Williams will most definitely get his first sack against us. He might get more than one.

We are a joke.

edit: what is it with you all today? watch the language!

[skins74]

The crowd was chanting Redskins suck.......they were right! We did suck tonight. :(

[akhhorus]

We are a joke.

edit: what is it with you all today? watch the language!

Fine, im sure another team needs another fan. Jeez. Its one bloody game.

[BurgundyNGold]

Fine, im sure another team needs another fan. Jeez. Its one bloody game.
Well, two actually. And this one was against Dallass, so emotions run high.

[akhhorus]

Well, two actually. And this one was against Dallass, so emotions run high.

Still. It sucks that we looked that bad and that we lost, but the reactions are just getting ridiculous. I would like to hope that they are fueled by booze.

[Axegrinder]

This was a sloppy game and both teams should be worried.
As for us fans,we need to temper our expectations a bit and hope that we get healthy soon.
Repeat after me....This is not a Spurrier Team!!!

[BurgundyNGold]

Still. It sucks that we looked that bad and that we lost, but the reactions are just getting ridiculous. I would like to hope that they are fueled by booze.
No, adrenaline. A much more powerful source of lunacy.

I have to admit, I'm not pleased either and there will be a lashing or two doled out in the blog this week. I'm just not going to spout off about it on the board right after a loss. Really, I shouldn't even be here (echoes of Dante Hicks, lol).

[dogfight6]

My vent is we are 0-2 and the B-Ratvins are 2-0 work is gonna be rough this week. However as bad as our record is we are only 1 game out of first in our division. :Peace:

[SpicyMcHaggis]

My vent is we are 0-2 and the B-Ratvins are 2-0 work is gonna be rough this week. However as bad as our record is we are only 1 game out of first in our division. :Peace:
That's why what is worrying me right now is not our record. It's how we got there.

[CarMike]

If you are calling me out, which I think is possible because I am often critical of the skins, I want you to know that it is often much more productive to post during hard times because that is when you get a real debate. When we are winning, 98% of the site in in agreement, and criticisms are ignored by almost everybody. This offseason, for example, everyone was convinced we were poised for a super bowl run, and when a journalist would post something critical of the skins, everyone would immediately bash him, coming up with nicknames for him. If I were to agree with something they said, then I would either A) be completely ignored or B) get accused of not being a real redskins fan. I joined this site when there were 500 members, and have probably poured more into the skins in my time as a fan, than most of the people have who find me to be such a nuisance. I wasn't around for the glory years, so I haven't gotten my return on supporting the skins, but I'm still rooting just as hard for them, no matter how many times they've laid massive eggs. In my opinion message boards are much much better when there is real debate going on (thats what theyre for), and so that's why I stay away from Joe Gibbs/Redskins lovefest threads, and spend more time in ones where real discussion is going on. In my opinion it is the real fans who can take off their burgandy and gold glasses, take off their redskins masks and their redskins capes, and recognise that we have some serious issues as a football team that won't be solved by being blindly optomistic.

I'm exhausted, and devestated by the fact that there is very little to build on at this point. As a football fan, I've seen 2 total playoff wins, and at this point it looks very unlikely that i'll see an increase in that number in what may be my last year living in the dc area.

Nope, I wasn't calling anyone particular out. Not my style. Speaking in general.

[dukeuch]

If you are calling me out, which I think is possible because I am often critical of the skins, I want you to know that it is often much more productive to post during hard times because that is when you get a real debate. When we are winning, 98% of the site in in agreement, and criticisms are ignored by almost everybody. This offseason, for example, everyone was convinced we were poised for a super bowl run, and when a journalist would post something critical of the skins, everyone would immediately bash him, coming up with nicknames for him. If I were to agree with something they said, then I would either A) be completely ignored or B) get accused of not being a real redskins fan. I joined this site when there were 500 members, and have probably poured more into the skins in my time as a fan, than most of the people have who find me to be such a nuisance. I wasn't around for the glory years, so I haven't gotten my return on supporting the skins, but I'm still rooting just as hard for them, no matter how many times they've laid massive eggs. In my opinion message boards are much much better when there is real debate going on (thats what theyre for), and so that's why I stay away from Joe Gibbs/Redskins lovefest threads, and spend more time in ones where real discussion is going on. In my opinion it is the real fans who can take off their burgandy and gold glasses, take off their redskins masks and their redskins capes, and recognise that we have some serious issues as a football team that won't be solved by being blindly optomistic.

I'm exhausted, and devestated by the fact that there is very little to build on at this point. As a football fan, I've seen 2 total playoff wins, and at this point it looks very unlikely that i'll see an increase in that number in what may be my last year living in the dc area.

Amen. Last year I was as critical as anyone, and gave a mea culpa in delight when the 'Skins made their run into the playoffs. But when a team stinks up the joint, and players that you believe suck (I have always thought Brunell sucks) prove you rigth, well, it's your right to bitch. it does not mean you are not a real fan.

That said; Brunell sucks. I "knew" we were in trouble when on the first dirve he missed a wide open Betts (who played just fine, thank you. Anyone who disagrees, fine, but he deserves more than 10 carries a game to prove himself) on a simple outlet pass for what would have been a routine first down.

[BurgundyNGold]

Amen. Last year I was as critical as anyone, and gave a mea culpa in delight when the 'Skins made their run into the playoffs. But when a team stinks up the joint, and players that you believe suck (I have always thought Brunell sucks) prove you rigth, well, it's your right to bitch. it does not mean you are not a real fan.

That said; Brunell sucks. I "knew" we were in trouble when on the first dirve he missed a wide open Betts (who played just fine, thank you. Anyone who disagrees, fine, but he deserves more than 10 carries a game to prove himself) on a simple outlet pass for what would have been a routine first down.
I only disagree that you think Betts played well. I think he might have played passingly, given that he balanced his poor pass blocking and general lack of vision in the running game with a few nifty plays. But, in the end, I have to give him a thumbs down because when it's 3rd and 18 and he's got a head of steam, his sissy self went OOB after 16 yards instead of putting his head down, turning in towards the center of the field and picking up the seemingly attainable first down.

Same goes for ARE. He needs to learn how to run routes. On 3rd and 8 it does us no good is he curls his route in 2 yards shy of the first down marker.

[Redskinmayhem]

*SIGH*.....so I'm a little less emotional than I was last night.....and yes it was one game (well 2 really- 3 if you count the loss to seattle, 4- if you count the putrid win over the Bucs etc...) but the fact remains that we will NOT win many games with things the way they are right now. That was the worst loss in Franchise history IMHO. We all expected soooo much more. I've had it w/ Brunnell but I will, AS FREAKING USUAL, stand by the Skins even when times get tough. They just love to test our faith as fans don't they??? I hope this is the kick in the rear they need to get things going. If Brunnell continues to struggle, he needs to get yanked.

[CNYSkinFan]

In response to CNY in the other thread, I think that the only true fans are ones that are able to question their team when they don't play up to their potential.
Have you read my second day draft rants or some of my articles from last year that were very critical of the Redskins? Criticism is ok. However you stated your intention was not to follow the team anymore. That to me is "loser" speak and the very definition of fairweather fan. That is what I object to.

[dukeuch]

I only disagree that you think Betts played well. I think he might have played passingly, given that he balanced his poor pass blocking and general lack of vision in the running game with a few nifty plays. But, in the end, I have to give him a thumbs down because when it's 3rd and 18 and he's got a head of steam, his sissy self went OOB after 16 yards instead of putting his head down, turning in towards the center of the field and picking up the seemingly attainable first down.

Same goes for ARE. He needs to learn how to run routes. On 3rd and 8 it does us no good is he curls his route in 2 yards shy of the first down marker.

If that's all we disagree on, great. I saw Betts look truly bad on one block, but what the hell, he got beat by a stud DE.. Another time he did pretty good getting in the guys way and Bruneel basically stepped outside instead of up, allowing the sack. Running wise, I really have no problem with Betts. He runs hard, gets some extra yards, and can break one for a long gain if not all the way. I still think that giving a guy 8-10 chances does not really give him the chance to show what he's capable of.

[BurgundyNGold]

If that's all we disagree on, great. I saw Betts look truly bad on one block, but what the hell, he got beat by a stud DE.. Another time he did pretty good getting in the guys way and Bruneel basically stepped outside instead of up, allowing the sack. Running wise, I really have no problem with Betts. He runs hard, gets some extra yards, and can break one for a long gain if not all the way. I still think that giving a guy 8-10 chances does not really give him the chance to show what he's capable of.
The same could be said for Duckett too, I guess. But I'm getting tired of watching Betts miss the hole because he's made his mind up where he is going before the play develops. Or even better, when he goes east and west, doesn't get is shoulders square and loses two yards. Those are precious.

[NamVet4]

I don't think it is appropriate to say "negative member"... I trust all who come here, of their own free will, come because they enjoy being fans of our Beloved Team. If any of us post what is interpreted as negative posts, than so be it! Criticism is sometimes perceived as negativity; and perception is reality to many, unfortunately. Emotions are important, and certainly can be expressed in your posts on any thread on any forum. I don’t care how often you post, whether you post praise or criticism, whether you show up after a win or after a loss. That’s your call…. Personal attacks, inane remarks, violation of board rules, that’s another story and the Admins and mods will directly deal with the poster.

As to last nights debacle......
It was a showcase of what is entirely wrong with our Beloved Team... The question is:
What is the priority to fix those shortcomings?
Do we change QB's?
Do we wait out the injuries to Portis and Springs... Can they contribute that much to turn around this Team?
Simplify or expand the play calling?

These are just some of the questions and hopefully we will get some answers!

[Patrick]

Negitive members only thread ?????? Are we making one of those list again???

[bantu]

Still. It sucks that we looked that bad and that we lost, but the reactions are just getting ridiculous. I would like to hope that they are fueled by booze.

Oh no.... no booze at all. I don't drink during 'Skins games. I like to be focused and ready when watching games.

My rant was fueled by anger, which is what we as Redskins fans should all be. This crap about this being one game and we shouldn't overreact, blah, blah, blah. Sorry, but my reaction was not overreaction at all. We have been putrid on both sides of the ball ever since pre-season game 1.

Tell me one thing to be proud of on this Redskins team and I will shut up. There is nothing. Absolutely nothing.

[akhhorus]

Oh no.... no booze at all. I don't drink during 'Skins games. I like to be focused and ready when watching games.

My rant was fueled by anger, which is what we as Redskins fans should all be. This crap about this being one game and we shouldn't overreact, blah, blah, blah. Sorry, but my reaction was not overreaction at all. We have been putrid on both sides of the ball ever since pre-season game 1.

Tell me one thing to be proud of on this Redskins team and I will shut up. There is nothing. Absolutely nothing.

Tell me one thing that warrants getting so upset about it over?

[PennSkinsFan]

There is nothing wrong with a negative tone. There should be a negative tone. The team is 0-2 after being built up to be a power house. We bring in saunders to jump start an offense and we look as bad as the Spurrier days. We lost to our hated rival. We lost a division game. Our defense is not playing well. We are 6/27 in third down conversion. The game has passed Brunell by.

We were a play off team last season, one game from the NFC Championship. One game. Yet, now it seems we have taken tremendous steps backward. This team has such weapons, even without Portis. Moss, Lloyd, Randle El, Duckett, Cooley, yet none have made a single difference at all. We have barely even shown an ability to get the ball to Moss like last year. Cooley has become insignficant. Lloyd sure be infuriated for coming here, and considering Duckett ran the ball 5 times averaging close to 5 yards, but we stopped using, him, well, what was the purpose of that trade????

So there are many reasons to be negative right now, and in actuality until this team shows some kind life like last year, there really is no reason to feel that postive. So if people want to rant, thenstay out of the thread if you wants to just hear everyone say how great things are going. It is a discussion forum for peopel to share thoughts, and not everyone has the same thoughts nor does eveyoen buy positive spin when were sitting at 0-2 with 2004 offense and a Wuerflesque type QB!

I have about had it with people calling those critical of peformance and team decisions as fair-weathered fans. Why does a fan have to be fairweathered just because they are critical? Fans can be critical. Fans can be angry. Fans can express doubt about the future performance without being fairweathered. This is getting old.

[Keino]

There are legitimate reasons to be upset, but people wishing injuries on our players, making character judgements on our coaches etc, are ridiculous. We all realize people are pissed, but some clearly come after games to be negative nellies. These are indeed Fair weather fans and it is fair to call them as such.

[akhhorus]

There is nothing wrong with a negative tone. There should be a negative tone. The team is 0-2 after being built up to be a power house. We bring in saunders to jump start an offense and we look as bad as the Spurrier days. We lost to our hated rival. We lost a division game. Our defense is not playing well. We are 6/27 in third down conversion. The game has passed Brunell by.

We were a play off team last season, one game from the NFC Championship. One game. Yet, now it seems we have taken tremendous steps backward. This team has such weapons, even without Portis. Moss, Lloyd, Randle El, Duickett, Cooley, yet none have amde as ingle difference at all. We have braely even shown an ability toget the ball to Moss liek last year. Cooley has become insignficant. Lloyd sure be infuriated for coming here, and considering Duckett ran the ball 5 times averaging close to 5 yards, but we stopped using, him, well, what was the prupsoe of that trade????

So there are many reasons to be negative right now, and in actuality untilt his team shows some kind life like last year, there really is no reason to feel that postive. So if people want to rant, thenstay out of the thread if you wants to just hear everyone say how great things are going. It is a discussion forum for peopel to share thoughts, and not everyone has the same thoughts nor does eveyoen buy positive spin when were sitting at 0-2 with 2004 offense and a Wuerflesque type QB!

I have about had it with people calling those critical of peformance and team decisions as fair-weathered fans. Why does a fan have to be fairweathered just because they are critical? Fans can be critical. Fans can be angry. Fans can express doubt about the future performance without being fairweathered. This is getting old.

There's nothing wrong with complaining about this team(and you should when we lose), what I take issue with is the people who just show up here during or after losses but aren't here during the good times. The people who were complaining the most here last night all had small post counts and are rarely here, except to bitch and moan. Those people are fairweather fans. Those people irritate me. The people who celebrate the good times have more credibility to complain about the bad times IMO.

[PennSkinsFan]

There are legitimate reasons to be upset, but people wishing injuries on our players, making character judgements on our coaches etc, are ridiculous. We all realize people are pissed, but some clearly come after games to be negative nellies. These are indeed Fair weather fans and it is fair to call them as such.

Your right. Actually thos ethat wished injury, if I could do it all over again, they woudl no longer have membership here.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

There is nothing wrong with a negative tone. There should be a negative tone. The team is 0-2 after being built up to be a power house. We bring in saunders to jump start an offense and we look as bad as the Spurrier days. We lost to our hated rival. We lost a division game. Our defense is not playing well. We are 6/27 in third down conversion. The game has passed Brunell by.

We were a play off team last season, one game from the NFC Championship. One game. Yet, now it seems we have taken tremendous steps backward. This team has such weapons, even without Portis. Moss, Lloyd, Randle El, Duckett, Cooley, yet none have made a single difference at all. We have barely even shown an ability to get the ball to Moss like last year. Cooley has become insignficant. Lloyd sure be infuriated for coming here, and considering Duckett ran the ball 5 times averaging close to 5 yards, but we stopped using, him, well, what was the purpose of that trade????

So there are many reasons to be negative right now, and in actuality until this team shows some kind life like last year, there really is no reason to feel that postive. So if people want to rant, thenstay out of the thread if you wants to just hear everyone say how great things are going. It is a discussion forum for peopel to share thoughts, and not everyone has the same thoughts nor does eveyoen buy positive spin when were sitting at 0-2 with 2004 offense and a Wuerflesque type QB!

I have about had it with people calling those critical of peformance and team decisions as fair-weathered fans. Why does a fan have to be fairweathered just because they are critical? Fans can be critical. Fans can be angry. Fans can express doubt about the future performance without being fairweathered. This is getting old.
This is important. I can understand that we might be struggling to learn the new system, but the way things are going, we could be close to throwing the season away completely. And considering we were 1 game from the NFC Championship last year, that our starting QB is 36, and that our head coach is the oldest in the league, then this is not a season we can afford to throw away, and maybe we should just have stuck to what we were doing before if this is the result of this change.

[PennSkinsFan]

There's nothing wrong with complaining about this team(and you should when we lose), what I take issue with is the people who just show up here during or after losses but aren't here during the good times. The people who were complaining the most here last night all had small post counts and are rarely here, except to bitch and moan. Those people are fairweather fans. Those people irritate me. The people who celebrate the good times have more credibility to complain about the bad times IMO.

I agree with that point Akh. No one knows that issue better than me, considering i had to babysit many of them last night and delete thread after thread. But there als is a tendancy to down people for complaining, attack people who are critical and talk down to those who are angry. That wrong. This team stinks, pure and simple, they stink right now. They will Admit that. So I am not going to be one fo those that will come out and say, chill, everything will be OK. Why Not? Because I really have not seen anything from either offense, defense, or play calling that indicates this team will be OK. I see an offense that is simply struggling to learn a new system, while in essence, they were just getting comfy in the old system, with a few additions that were needed. Brunell looks tired and old, his deep balls are non-existent and when he does throw deep, it is rather unimpressive. I for one will be the first to scream joy when they turn things around, but I have to admit, watching two straight games, looking at the stats, and looking at the leadership on the field, things look pretty damn dismal. I want Mark brunell to succeed, I want the Mark Brunell of last year, but this Mark Brunell simply does not look in control or comfortable in what he is doing in this new offense. Saunders has pointed to it and that is becoming a reality.

[akhhorus]

I agree with that point Akh. No one knows that issue better than me, considering i had to babysit many of them last night and delete thread after thread. But there als is a tendancy to down people for complaining, attack people who are critical and talk down to those who are angry. That wrong. This team stinks, pure and simple, they stink right now. They will Admit that. So I am not going to be one fo those that will come out and say, chill, everything will be OK. Why Not? Because I really have not seen anything from either offense, defense, or play calling that indicates this team will be OK. I see an offense that is simply struggling to learn a new system, while in essence, they were just getting comfy in the old system, with a few additions that were needed. Brunell looks tired and old, his deep balls are non-existent and when he does throw deep, it is rather unimpressive. I for one will be the first to scream joy when they turn things around, but I have to admit, watching two straight games, looking at the stats, and looking at the leadership on the field, things look pretty damn dismal. I want Mark brunell to succeed, I want the Mark Brunell of last year, but this Mark Brunell simply does not look in control or comfortable in what he is doing in this new offense. Saunders has pointed to it and that is becoming a reality.

I agree fully. Last night sucked. It was painful to watch, but what was also painful to watch was the shrieking here over it. Especially from the misanthrope brigade as early as the middle 2nd quarter. Thats ridiculous. And no one is trying to institute thought control here, people just need to calm down while they watch the game. After the game, they still need to calm down a bit, but there's no problem with pointing out problems. There's a problem with "Fire Al Saunders" or "Brunell should be shot like a lame horse" and crap like that.

[PennSkinsFan]

I agree fully. Last night sucked. It was painful to watch, but what was also painful to watch was the shrieking here over it. Especially from the misanthrope brigade as early as the middle 2nd quarter. Thats ridiculous. And no one is trying to institute thought control here, people just need to calm down while they watch the game. After the game, they still need to calm down a bit, but there's no problem with pointing out problems. There's a problem with "Fire Al Saunders" or "Brunell should be shot like a lame horse" and crap like that.:lol1: Agreed. I dont want Saunders fired, that woudl really make the organization look more dysfunctional than it already is. BUT, Saunders may need to de-complicate his offense because this offense is just not getting it. AND, I don't want Brunell shot, I would prefer just to have him on a time out the rest of the season.

[csquared]

Since the season is a wash why dont we let Tom Cruise QB the team. OH or even better Jaime Foxx could do it too. Wasnt he a qb in Any Given Sunday??? :lol1:

[CNYSkinFan]

There is nothing wrong with a negative tone. There should be a negative tone. The team is 0-2 after being built up to be a power house. We bring in saunders to jump start an offense and we look as bad as the Spurrier days. We lost to our hated rival. We lost a division game. Our defense is not playing well. We are 6/27 in third down conversion. The game has passed Brunell by.

We were a play off team last season, one game from the NFC Championship. One game. Yet, now it seems we have taken tremendous steps backward. This team has such weapons, even without Portis. Moss, Lloyd, Randle El, Duckett, Cooley, yet none have made a single difference at all. We have barely even shown an ability to get the ball to Moss like last year. Cooley has become insignficant. Lloyd sure be infuriated for coming here, and considering Duckett ran the ball 5 times averaging close to 5 yards, but we stopped using, him, well, what was the purpose of that trade????

So there are many reasons to be negative right now, and in actuality until this team shows some kind life like last year, there really is no reason to feel that postive. So if people want to rant, thenstay out of the thread if you wants to just hear everyone say how great things are going. It is a discussion forum for peopel to share thoughts, and not everyone has the same thoughts nor does eveyoen buy positive spin when were sitting at 0-2 with 2004 offense and a Wuerflesque type QB!

I have about had it with people calling those critical of peformance and team decisions as fair-weathered fans. Why does a fan have to be fairweathered just because they are critical? Fans can be critical. Fans can be angry. Fans can express doubt about the future performance without being fairweathered. This is getting old.

I agree Mark and I have been critical in the past and will be this week as well...HOWEVER

there is a big difference with being critical and insinuating we should never follow the team. I am a Redskin fan whether they aree 1-15 or 15-1. I will be critical when they do bad (like last night and the draft) and positive when they do good (like last year). I just hate the people that constantly complain amd then think it is ok not to support the team because they are doing badly or wrse think we should tank the season to get higher draft choices in the second game.

They are those with BnG Glasses and those that are fair weather fans, and then there are those who are realistic and love the team and only criticize as part of a frustration. I hope I am in the latter but I think on the board today and yesterday we will see too much of the former two.

[akhhorus]

:lol1: Agreed. I dont want Saunders fired, that woudl really make the organization look more dysfunctional than it already is. BUT, Saunders may need to de-complicate his offense because this offense is just not getting it. AND, I don't want Brunell shot, I would prefer just to have him on a time out the rest of the season.

I still think that when we can actually "run" the ball, things will fall into place. If the offense still stalls after that, then there's bigger problems. But having our top player injured has devestated this offense.

[Redskinmayhem]

I still think that when we can actually "run" the ball, things will fall into place. If the offense still stalls after that, then there's bigger problems. But having our top player injured has devestated this offense.
I understand what you're say AKH but wasn't the purpose fo getting ARE, BLloyd and Duckett to lessen the blow if one of our stars ever got injured again? I mean we lost patten last year and we did just as bad as last night. Now, we have ARE Lloyd and we still suck on O? I'm not buying it. Even w/o Moss and PAtten, the WR trio of ARE, BLloyd and Thrash are pretty darn good. Duckett and Betts Should more than be able to fill in for CP. Granted they aren't as dynamic as CP but at least get the job done.

[PennSkinsFan]

I understand what you're say AKH but wasn't the purpose fo getting ARE, BLloyd and Duckett to lessen the blow if one of our stars ever got injured again? I mean we lost patten last year and we did just as bad as last night. Now, we have ARE Lloyd and we still suck on O? I'm not buying it. Even w/o Moss and PAtten, the WR trio of ARE, BLloyd and Thrash are pretty darn good. Duckett and Betts Should more than be able to fill in for CP. Granted they aren't as dynamic as CP but at least get the job done.

Yeah, to me they are just more excuses. Good teams lose players. That's fact. Good teams also overcome.

[akhhorus]

I understand what you're say AKH but wasn't the purpose fo getting ARE, BLloyd and Duckett to lessen the blow if one of our stars ever got injured again? I mean we lost patten last year and we did just as bad as last night. Now, we have ARE Lloyd and we still suck on O? I'm not buying it. Even w/o Moss and PAtten, the WR trio of ARE, BLloyd and Thrash are pretty darn good. Duckett and Betts Should more than be able to fill in for CP. Granted they aren't as dynamic as CP but at least get the job done.

They can't, because Portis is still the engine of this team. They're there to make the passing game better, not to pick up the slack for him. But without a running game, teams will defeat a pass only offense every time.

[akhhorus]

Yeah, to me they are just more excuses. Good teams lose players. That's fact. Good teams also overcome.

Can San Diego survive losing LT? Or Philly without McNabb? Or the Giants without Tiki or Jacobs? Or New England without Brady? Thats basically the equivelant of losing Portis.

[NCskinsfanatic]

They can't, because Portis is still the engine of this team. They're there to make the passing game better, not to pick up the slack for him. But without a running game, teams will defeat a pass only offense every time.
I have to agree when we went 5-0 down the stretch it's because CP was our focal point he opened up everything else by making other teams respect our run game. I think if Randy doesn't break a leg that formula would have also worked in the playoffs.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Here's my negativity:

Where in the heck was Lloyd and Cooley? Both have disappeared so far this season.

They are running patterns that Brunell is not able to willing to throw the ball to, IMO. I honestly feel that Brunell does not have confidence in his arm to throw the ball over a LB and in front of a safety. This a timing based offense and the ball should be coming out on the third, fifth or seventh step of the drop, whichever the play is designed for.

Right now, Brunell looks indecisive and is holding on to the ball too long. Remind anybody of someone else who used to play here?

And the pass he threw that was intercepted by Roy Williams? A terrible pass by an NFL QB.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Can San Diego survive losing LT? Or Philly without McNabb? Or the Giants without Tiki or Jacobs? Or New England without Brady? Thats basically the equivelant of losing Portis.

Philly has played an extended stretch without McNabb before and they still made it to the NFC championship game that year (the year the Feeley replaced him for several games).

[akhhorus]

Philly has played an extended stretch without McNabb before and they still made it to the NFC championship game that year (the year the Feeley replaced him for several games).

Do you honestly think that could happen now in Philly?

[frankez99]

Do you honestly think that could happen now in Philly?

Not a chance...that being said...

I couldn't even FATHOM how dynamic our offense would be with someone like McNabb under center. If he can do what he does with the Brown's, Basketts, and Stallworth's of the world imagine him with our boys....:inkston:

but of course I'm just daydreaming. :sleep:

But it would be amazing.

We'll get this turned around.

Hail to the Redskins and take care everyone.

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

Ok, thanks for the opportunity to take this out...

Right now... I HATE MARK BRUNELL! I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT SAUNDERS IS TRYING! I DON'T SEE IN BRUNELL WHAT GIBBS SEES!

We are 0-2, 0-2 against the NFC, 0-1 against the NFCE, and 0-1 at home. This will hurt even if the team starts playing decent, thing that I doubt for at least several weeks.

[Redskinmayhem]

Can San Diego survive losing LT? Or Philly without McNabb? Or the Giants without Tiki or Jacobs? Or New England without Brady? Thats basically the equivelant of losing Portis.
Actually, when the Chargers lost LT, as they did last year (or was it the year before?) M. Turner stepped up his game. Same thing would happen If the Gints lost Tiki. Jacobs would step it up. The eagles have not had a running game to speak of within the last 5 years. The one thing all these teams have/had in common is a good QB. Manning, Brees(at the time of LT's injury) and McNabb. We don't have a good QB who can pull the team together if necessary.

[akhhorus]

Actually, when the Chargers lost LT, as they did last year (or was it the year before?) M. Turner stepped up his game. Same thing would happen If the Gints lost Tiki. Jacobs would step it up. The eagles have not had a running game to speak of within the last 5 years. The one thing all these teams have/had in common is a good QB. Manning, Brees(at the time of LT's injury) and McNabb. We don't have a good QB who can pull the team together if necessary.

LT has only missed one game ever. They would be screwed without him. Just we are without Portis.

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

Actually, when the Chargers lost LT, as they did last year (or was it the year before?) M. Turner stepped up his game. Same thing would happen If the Gints lost Tiki. Jacobs would step it up. The eagles have not had a running game to speak of within the last 5 years. The one thing all these teams have/had in common is a good QB. Manning, Brees(at the time of LT's injury) and McNabb. We don't have a good QB who can pull the team together if necessary.

I hope we do... and he's sitting in the bench... and I hope he won't for long, but don't expect so :(