Why haven't you voted yet?

[rskinsfan10]

Could it be that I just created a new poll on the homepage? That's probably the reason, so I must direct all of the hR faithful to the new poll at www.hailredskins.com. Vote early and often, as this topic may be decided by the FO and a potential move rather quickly.:D

As always, I remind you to discuss your votes here in this thread.

[CarMike]

Good question Kenny.

I had to go with Betts. It seems like we have found our 3rd and short & our 4th and short RB in Rock.

Watson has definately earnd a spot on our team with his play so far. Betts hasn't done a thing to earn his way to be on the regular season roster.

[rskinsfan10]

I'm in total agreement with you CarolinaMichael.

[NCskinsfanatic]

I also went with Betts.He would probably bring more value than the undrafted Watson and they seem to be very much alikeso i dont think we lose much.But from the article on the home page it sounded like we arent prepared to trade for Dalton and are in no hurry.Are they friggin kidding me?They better find someone because we arent the only team looking for Dalton or anybody else that gets cut.

[hail2skins]

I went with Betts as well.

[Skins57]

I also went with Betts, as I am starting to climb on the Watson band wagon

[NamVet4]

Who :I voted Watson........
Why:I don't know,
He's on Third Base!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


(Incase you miss my not so sutble attempt at stupid humor, this is what the above refers toAbbot & Costello (http://www.baseball-almanac.com/humor4.shtml)

[dj_stouty]

No one is going to want to trade for a hurt Running back!

I say Watson is the best option...at least he has a decent preseason game to attract other teams.

[rskinsfan10]

Originally posted by dj_stouty
No one is going to want to trade for a hurt Running back!

I say Watson is the best option...at least he has a decent preseason game to attract other teams.

According to Betts himself he is cleared for full participation starting today.

[CarMike]

Originally posted by dj_stouty
No one is going to want to trade for a hurt Running back!

I say Watson is the best option...at least he has a decent preseason game to attract other teams.

Normally I would agree. But, Betts injury was to elbow, and not his legs. Thats the one way someone would trade for him....

[camasterton]

Why is McCants given an injury pass and Betts none? Didnt Betts produce more than McCants last year?
I'm sure glad some of you were not around to cut Stephen Davis in the FOUR YEARS it took him to become a dominant starter.
God help the next guy who misses a few weeks because of injury.
Having a number of good backs sure did hurt Denver all these years didn't it?
I seem to recall the coaches and the players stating that Betts was the one who they most trusted to carry the ball at the end of last year.
Besides, I still have not forgiven Watson for letting the ball doink off his chest at the two yard line, into the waiting arms of another humiliating defeat!

[CarMike]

Cam, we're talking about a RB that can help us get a pretty good DT.

And I don't think McCants can feel to safe about his position on the team either.

And if you want to be pissed about Watson, how about the fumble that Betts lost going into the endzone last year. Can't remember if we lost that game or not but its still a turnover.

Betts produce last year? Behind the same SD that you are talking about? I'm not sure how much Betts did contribute. But Watson did too.

[jsarno]

we need DT help fast..whatever it takes without taking a beating is fine by me. Watson or Betts, or both...doesn't matter.

I don't care for Watson because of that one play vs the Cowpatties last year (I'm sure you all remember the one!)

[rskinsfan10]

Originally posted by CarMike
Cam, we're talking about a RB that can help us get a pretty good DT.

And I don't think McCants can feel to safe about his position on the team either.

And if you want to be pissed about Watson, how about the fumble that Betts lost going into the endzone last year. Can't remember if we lost that game or not but its still a turnover.

Betts produce last year? Behind the same SD that you are talking about? I'm not sure how much Betts did contribute. But Watson did too.

Good points all around CarolinaMichael.

The running backs were used in the poll simply because rumor has it that one would be involved in a possible trade with the Saints or Bears. No one is giving McCants a "free pass", it's just that no wire reports have mentioned a WR being involved in any possible deal.

[camasterton]

They were equal in thier contributions, at taiback, KR, special teams... I'm just sensing alot of Betts hatin' and I don't think a three week elbow injury is cause for alarm. I did not see the game this weekend, but I found it interesting that the coaches trusted a fullback to pick up three straight last chance conversions. They did not trust the tailback who's supposed feather is he's our best short yardage.

[rskinsfan10]

I thought that Betts was supposedly the one that was trusted with the short yardage situations, and since he wasn't able to play how could he have been trusted with the responsibilty this past weekend? I've never heard Watson being described as that role player.

[camasterton]

I don't want to trade either of them, nor McCants, but-I can find numerous examples of McCants love and very little tolerance Betts' injury. The idea of discussing a Betts trade, is over his injury. A McCants trade would be better for us as we'd miss him less. Betts contributed way more than he last year.

[camasterton]

Originally posted by rskinsfan10
I thought that Betts was supposedly the one that was trusted with the short yardage situations, and since he wasn't able to play how could he have been trusted with the responsibilty this past weekend? I've never heard Watson being described as that role player.
You did not understand my post... Did you vote to keep Watson because he's our speed back, our third down back, our short yardage back, our every down back?

[TexSkin]

Watson looks sharp I went with Betts...the Rock can be our short yardage guy.

[rskinsfan10]

Originally posted by camasterton
You did not understand my post... Did you vote to keep Watson because he's our speed back, our third down back, our short yardage back, our every down back?

I voted to keep Watson because I think he is an all around better back then Betts, a stance that I've taken since this became a topic of discussion last year.

I responded to what you wrote. Maybe you could clarify exactly what you meant.

[rskinsfan10]

To add, I don't think that the idea of trading Betts is from his injury status. Most Watson supporters have been high on him from the outset.

[CarMike]

Cam, I'm not down on Betts. If he stays, fine. I'd love to have him here as a part of our team.

But, I've seen what Watson can bring to the table. I wish I can say the same about Betts but I can't. Not untill he shows it in a game.

And as for the Rock handeling the short distances, tell that to the Bucs who use a FB in the same situation with Alstott. We don't need a every down back to pick up the short yardage. Would it be nice? Of course it would. But if we have a FB capable of doing the job then why not use him?

[camasterton]

What I meant? They are two different posts. 1st I made the observation that-the end of last year the coaches and players trusted Betts more...
The 2nd post I refer to the coaches trusting a FB-Cartwright to carry the ball, not our tailback-Watson, in last week's game while Betts was out. Watson is obviously not the choice to carry the load when it matters. If Betts was not hurt last week, there is a better chance he would have gotten the call on those short yardage plays. So I think Betts should not be jetisoned. Having said that, I don't think we should get rid of either of them.
btw- If Betts is worth a 2nd round pick or a "Pro-Bowl" DT on the market, than he must be a good back. Also, in the longer term keeping him gains 2nd rd. compensation when his agreement is up.

[camasterton]

Originally posted by CarMike
Cam, I'm not down on Betts. If he stays, fine. I'd love to have him here as a part of our team.

But, I've seen what Watson can bring to the table. I wish I can say the same about Betts but I can't. Not untill he shows it in a game.

And as for the Rock handeling the short distances, tell that to the Bucs who use a FB in the same situation with Alstott. We don't need a every down back to pick up the short yardage. Would it be nice? Of course it would. But if we have a FB capable of doing the job then why not use him? Over the last 6 games in 2002 there was not much dif. between the two. Once he learned the offense last year and given his chance, Betts was passing Watson in the number of play calls. This year, before he was injured Betts was ahead of Watson on the coaches depth chart. btw Alstott's a FB in listing only.

[CarMike]

Well, so is Rocks, right? Isn't he only listed as a FB? I don't see the difference.

Like I said earlier. It doesn't really matter to me which one goes. I'd prefer it to be Betts. Thats just my opinion. I think Watson has better explosion. Why? Because I've seen it on too many occasions.

In the end. If one or the other can help us get a DT that can hold to the run, I'm happy. Which ever one goes, I'm happy. Which ever one stays, I'm happy.

[dukeuch]

Originally posted by camasterton

btw- If Betts is worth a 2nd round pick or a "Pro-Bowl" DT on the market, than he must be a good back. Also, in the longer term keeping him gains 2nd rd. compensation when his agreement is up.

If Betts, or any of our backs, were worth a "Pro-Bowl" DT, I'd be extremely surprised, and say that GM is out of the game by the end of the season! Wake up, it ain't going to happen.

[LuvSkins17]

Relax cam..... breath man.... I for one have been a Watson supporter since last season. Watson was doing a lot better than Betts last season (IMO). Betts was Spurrier's pick.....ooohhh booooyyy (So is Danny W. and as we remember so were all of the damn Gators that were here last season). Betts was his pick because he wasn't feeling S. Davis. Hell, he didn't even know much about Watson. HE WAS A WR AT PENN STATE FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!! I remember last season guys posting remarks about Betts being a wasted pick. I even said that Trung wasn't needed. As far as trading Betts..... pull the trigger! We have to be aware of what the other teams are in need of. Betts may have been taken in the second round (when we should have went with a DT or an OG with that pick). All we can say at this point is that Betts may play just as well as our UNDRAFTED WATSON. (and nothing more). Watson was catching on and picking up the blitz last season before Betts started to get it. I just like Watson's running style and I have been saying it for a while now. This has nothing to do with the injury of Betts. I would like to see him perform so that we can sweetin' any deal that we could strike up. IMO even if Betts played well I think they would rather trade him because of how high he was picked in the draft.

Watson is blue collar, he's scrappy, and he also wears the number of the great O.J. Simpson ( I know that was pushin' it but this whole thread has taken a crazy turn ) so you know he fits the glove..... :doh: I mean, the bill. :kidding:

This thread was more about the trade and our need for a Vet. DT that can come in and play and who we (even if it hurts some of us) need to give up to get him.
:lol3:
Oh yeah The Great Ricky Erving also sported the number 32.
:typeR2: :banger:

[camasterton]

I'm not geekin', there's no O2 deprivation here. Folks ready to pick apart the roster for a journeyman DT need some artificial resuffocation. Thanks for the worry though. I'm picking Betts to be the better player, especially now that he is the considered underdog! 1,000 plus yards! I just hope it's with the Redskins.

[rskinsfan10]

Originally posted by camasterton
What I meant? They are two different posts. 1st I made the observation that-the end of last year the coaches and players trusted Betts more...
The 2nd post I refer to the coaches trusting a FB-Cartwright to carry the ball, not our tailback-Watson, in last week's game while Betts was out. Watson is obviously not the choice to carry the load when it matters. If Betts was not hurt last week, there is a better chance he would have gotten the call on those short yardage plays. So I think Betts should not be jetisoned. Having said that, I don't think we should get rid of either of them.
btw- If Betts is worth a 2nd round pick or a "Pro-Bowl" DT on the market, than he must be a good back. Also, in the longer term keeping him gains 2nd rd. compensation when his agreement is up.

As far as the Watson not being plugged for the 4th down carry goes, I find that to be a bit flawed, since it was Canidate who is clearly the starter, and it was he that wasn't given the opportunity to ram it home for the first down.

Also, Betts is only 7 lbs heavier the last time I checked. I don't think those 7 lbs make a greatd deal of difference when hitting the hole.

[Keino]

I voted Betts. I think his draft positioning alone will help us address an area of greater need.......

[JoeDaSchmoe]

I'd have to go with Betts. I'm a big Betts supporter, I have been since last year when there was controversy between him and Watson, but I think he could net us a better DT, and we don't really need a powerful back as long as Rock gets the carries.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

i dont like the thoght of betts being traded or released. i really like him and think he can do really well here. i have nothing against watson and ive said before that i wish we could keep them all. i dont think its fair to devalue a guy without even giving him a chance to play. i hope i wake up one day and hear that spurrier decides to keep all 4 backs.

[Patrick]

Betts BUT..... I'd REALLY like to see Betts play alittle before we start trading player. ............. AND the bad news might be NO trade at all. Things are not look that good for obtaining a DT through trade. I have a feeling (and I hope I WRONG) that our DT help will come from the wavier wire, which mean next week or later.

[SkinsCT]

I went with Watson, for three main reasons. One, Betts was a recent second round pick, so I would have a hard justifying throwing away a pick that high without either getting a young, proven commodity in return or seeing what Betts can do other than in two meaningless games lat year. Two, Betts has two years on Watson. In addition, Betts' cap number is low and his contract runs for two more years after 2003. Three, I think that Betts is a pounder, and can get the ball 18-25 times a game, both rushing and receiving, and will get stronger as the game goes on. I don't get that impression from Watson. Maybe I'm still pissed about the Thanksgiving game from last season. Catch the ball, then run Kenny!

[pa_elwayfan]

Definitely Betts
:drunker:

[Green-Is-Good]

Betts