Akh's Thoughts: Week 5

[akhhorus]

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what? no guff this week?

[LATrueRedskin]

Yeah, it's really shocking how Coach has a terrible time winning in the Meadowlands. I don't know what it is, but the Skins never show up for this game. I really don't get it.

[akhhorus]

what? no guff this week?

No. No guff this week. I'm not in the vein.

[Slobberknocker]

I agree that the game was won and lost on the front lines. It still mystifies me that Golston was nowhere to be seen and the offense failed to exploit the aggressiveness of NY by screening and short passing like we have so successfully until now.

The only time we looked like ourselves was in the 3rd quarter on that great drive which ended in debacle. Passing on 3rd and 1 and missing the field goal? I knew we were done right there.

My only upside was seeing Cooley be such a big factor in the offense again. This is going to be a long, slow, miserable week for me. Sigh.

[BurgundyNGold]

I'll be the Shockey here. We got out played and we got out coached on both sides of the ball. That's right, GW, I'm eyeballin' you. Say what you will about Springs, he ain't Deion. We don't go from a top 5 caliber defense to a bottom 10 caliber defense because of 1 player by himself. Especially when we're not tackling. When you're top 3 tacklers on the day are your 2 safeties and a corner, your front 7 is either out of alignment (Marshall) or getting manhandled to the point of needing a dress.

Oh, and Saunders, 3rd and 1 when you're averaging 4+ YPC and your defense is getting slaughtered on TOP? Run the damn ball.

I hope the folks in Ashburn take note of this. I think this might be as embarassing as the Dallass loss.

[shally]

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this team reminds me of last years team.. they just cannot seem to get in sync. it would be bad enough if one side of the ball was terrible consistently, but this whipsawing back and forth is enough to drive a body up the wall.
the offense scores 30 points in back to back games and then puts up a 3 spot. the defense "holds" the giants to 1 TD and some fg's and under 20 points. do we win ? not even close...

i think this kind of on and off effort is likely to continue the rest of the year. i doubt we are going to go through a 5 loss drought, but seriously doubt that even getting springs back is going to lead to 5 victories in a row.. this is looking more and more like an 8-8 team

what else?
the o line is very overrated
the d line cannot put pressure on the qb by themselves
we cannot blitz without tipping off the entire western hemisphere
our corners have great difficulty covering anyone
even playing what amounts to a 4-4-3 (arch is playing as a linebacker despite being called a safety) we cannot shut down a premier back like tiki and had a tough time with chester taylor who ran tough
penalties.. again.. and again..
brunell is helpless in the face of a consistent pass rush
where are the weapons on offense now that portis is back ?
3rd down failures on offense and defense continue
we still do not seem to trust the run as a centerpiece of the offense
we are 0-3 in the conference now... 0-2 in the division

the good news?
nobody in the division looks awesome and we have 4 home games against them
there is still time, if the team can get on the same page
did we have any major injuries? i didn't see any...

[shally]

I'll be the Shockey here. We got out played and we got out coached on both sides of the ball. That's right, GW, I'm eyeballin' you. Say what you will about Springs, he ain't Deion. We don't go from a top 5 caliber defense to a bottom 10 caliber defense because of 1 player by himself. Especially when we're not tackling. When you're top 3 tacklers on the day are your 2 safeties and a corner, your front 7 is either out of alignment (Marshall) or getting manhandled to the point of needing a dress.

Oh, and Saunders, 3rd and 1 when you're averaging 4+ YPC and your defense is getting slaughtered on TOP? Run the damn ball.

I hope the folks in Ashburn take note of this. I think this might be as embarassing as the Dallass loss.

run the ball on third and 1

and then run the ball on 4th and 1.. if needed.... send them a message.. whoops, i guess we just did..

[redskin_rich]

I'll be the Shockey here. We got out played and we got out coached on both sides of the ball. That's right, GW, I'm eyeballin' you. Say what you will about Springs, he ain't Deion. We don't go from a top 5 caliber defense to a bottom 10 caliber defense because of 1 player by himself. Especially when we're not tackling. When you're top 3 tacklers on the day are your 2 safeties and a corner, your front 7 is either out of alignment (Marshall) or getting manhandled to the point of needing a dress.

Oh, and Saunders, 3rd and 1 when you're averaging 4+ YPC and your defense is getting slaughtered on TOP? Run the damn ball.

I hope the folks in Ashburn take note of this. I think this might be as embarassing as the Dallass loss.
Yep, I'm totally in agreement with everything stated here. I would just like to add my hero, JJ Gibbs, in the blame. I didn't like not going for the 4th and inches last week but not going for the 4th and 1 this week, while down by two scores, was inexcusable. Even if we had made the FG, we are still down by two scores and in a game that we could manufacture no momentum, that was an opportunity given away.
I'll say it again and I will repeat it forever, playing conservative only works when you have a defense and even then, will not get you to the promised land.
Joe Gibbs earned his stripes on a legendary 4th and 1 call and even titled his first book by that moniker.
Coach, if you truly mean what you say that the past buys you nothing, then you need to remember who you were before you made history.

[shally]

Yep, I'm totally in agreement with everything stated here. I would just like to add my hero, JJ Gibbs, in the blame. I didn't like not going for the 4th and inches last week but not going for the 4th and 1 this week, while down by two scores, was inexcusable. Even if we had made the FG, we are still down by two scores and in a game that we could manufacture no momentum, that was an opportunity given away.
I'll say it again and I will repeat it forever, playing conservative only works when you have a defense and even then, will not get you to the promised land.
Joe Gibbs earned his stripes on a legendary 4th and 1 call and even titled his first book by that moniker.
Coach, if you truly mean what you say that the past buys you nothing, then you need to remember who you were before you made history.

amen.. the skins had one chance to retake the momentum.. and that was it.. drive the ball in and we are in a 1 score game going into the 4th quarter.
another fg does zippo.. and this one wasn't a gimme..
we were dead men walking after that miss. gibbs needed to rally the troops. putting hall in wasn't the move to do that..

[LATrueRedskin]

amen.. the skins had one chance to retake the momentum.. and that was it.. drive the ball in and we are in a 1 score game going into the 4th quarter.
another fg does zippo.. and this one wasn't a gimme..
we were dead men walking after that miss. gibbs needed to rally the troops. putting hall in wasn't the move to do that..

Especially if the kicker has a "tired leg." :rolleyes:

Yep, I agree that I knew the game was over then and there, and I think Coach would go for it if he could do it all over again. Going for it on 3rd and/or 4th could have really sent some of the momentum our way, and kept our offense on the field had we converted. We need to quit the conservative play IMO.

[shally]

Especially if the kicker has a "tired leg." :rolleyes:

Yep, I agree that I knew the game was over then and there, and I think Coach would go for it if he could do it all over again. Going for it on 3rd and/or 4th could have really sent some of the momentum our way, and kept our offense on the field had we converted. We need to quit the conservative play IMO.

does anyone doubt that both coughlin and parcells would have gone for it?
that is nfc east football-- ram it in late in the game.. that is the only way i could have seen this team awakened from 3 quarters of somnambulism...
they needed a spark and they needed to let the giants know they were about to be on the receiving end of the same kind of comeback they dumped on philly... that was a coaching fold up

[becky]

What, no Patrick Swayze movie reference?


No. No guff this week. I'm not in the vein.


apparently I don't think this applies to me :D

[firehawk157]

this team reminds me of last years team.. they just cannot seem to get in sync. it would be bad enough if one side of the ball was terrible consistently, but this whipsawing back and forth is enough to drive a body up the wall.
the offense scores 30 points in back to back games and then puts up a 3 spot. the defense "holds" the giants to 1 TD and some fg's and under 20 points. do we win ? not even close...

i think this kind of on and off effort is likely to continue the rest of the year. i doubt we are going to go through a 5 loss drought, but seriously doubt that even getting springs back is going to lead to 5 victories in a row.. this is looking more and more like an 8-8 team

what else?
the o line is very overrated
the d line cannot put pressure on the qb by themselves
we cannot blitz without tipping off the entire western hemisphere
our corners have great difficulty covering anyone
even playing what amounts to a 4-4-3 (arch is playing as a linebacker despite being called a safety) we cannot shut down a premier back like tiki and had a tough time with chester taylor who ran tough
penalties.. again.. and again..
brunell is helpless in the face of a consistent pass rush
where are the weapons on offense now that portis is back ?
3rd down failures on offense and defense continue
we still do not seem to trust the run as a centerpiece of the offense
we are 0-3 in the conference now... 0-2 in the division

the good news?
nobody in the division looks awesome and we have 4 home games against them
there is still time, if the team can get on the same page
did we have any major injuries? i didn't see any...

Whoa there hoss!!! We have a curse in the meadowlands. Call it the pierce curse or whatever! But we came out flat, ended flat and the defense sucked!!! Everyone has their achilles, hell even the greatest warrior of all time (achilles) had his achilles, and ours seems to be the meadowlands, so I think this is far from indictative (while stinging), and let's suit up and get ready to remember beating the crap outta the titans! HTTR!!!

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Whoa there hoss!!! We have a curse in the meadowlands. Call it the pierce curse or whatever! But we came out flat, ended flat and the defense sucked!!! Everyone has their achilles, hell even the greatest warrior of all time (achilles) had his achilles, and ours seems to be the meadowlands, so I think this is far from indictative (while stinging), and let's suit up and get ready to remember beating the crap outta the titans! HTTR!!!
We've already beaten the crap out of a bad AFC team. That does not really help that much if we get destroyed by all the teams in the NFC East. Nor if we lose every away game against decent teams.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

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The only point I do not agree with is point #2. And not because LLH played well (he was invisible). But for these two reasons:
1) I really could not care less about Lavar. I am way too concerned about what is going on with our team.
2) If LLH has to shut up, then so should our guys. Especially a certain LB coach, a cornerback who has yet to play a snap this year, and an all-pro linebacker who was talking a bit too much when we were down by 16 points late in the 4th quarter.
Oh, and one more thing. Somebody from inside the team has to explain what the hell is going on with Duckett. Seriously. I'm tired of hearing jokes on the subject (or making them).

[SkinsKY]

One of the things that could have been a big momentum booster that I thought cost us was Gibbs kicking the FG that hall eventually missed. We were down 13 at that point and a FG would have made it 10. So we would have gone from being down two scores to...being down two scores. It was 4th and 2ish in the Giants territory. If we get that, we have a chance to score 7 and then we're a score away from a one point lead and we have momentum. I'm not saying this decision lost the game, but that's when I felt we weren't going to win it.

[Hr fan]

I agree that the game was won and lost on the front lines. It still mystifies me that Golston was nowhere to be seen and the offense failed to exploit the aggressiveness of NY by screening and short passing like we have so successfully until now.

The only time we looked like ourselves was in the 3rd quarter on that great drive which ended in debacle. Passing on 3rd and 1 and missing the field goal? I knew we were done right there.

My only upside was seeing Cooley be such a big factor in the offense again. This is going to be a long, slow, miserable week for me. Sigh.

Golston was double teamed because Carter can be single teamed and Griffin and Daniels can't flow fast enough to stop running plays to that side. On pass, keep the TE to help on the Griffin/Daniels combo because Daniels can't penetrate fast enough 1 on 1. The secondary is ordinary to poor if there is no pass rush. As for Archuletta, make kim go outside, not up the middle, and he is no pressure factor.

[openallnight]

Yep, I'm totally in agreement with everything stated here. I would just like to add my hero, JJ Gibbs, in the blame. I didn't like not going for the 4th and inches last week but not going for the 4th and 1 this week, while down by two scores, was inexcusable. Even if we had made the FG, we are still down by two scores and in a game that we could manufacture no momentum, that was an opportunity given away.
I'll say it again and I will repeat it forever, playing conservative only works when you have a defense and even then, will not get you to the promised land.
Joe Gibbs earned his stripes on a legendary 4th and 1 call and even titled his first book by that moniker.
Coach, if you truly mean what you say that the past buys you nothing, then you need to remember who you were before you made history.
For some reason I don't think Gibbs' had a good feel of the game yesterday. It seemed like one of those days where you just knew our D was not going to get the giants off the field.
Why run the screen pass to portis on 3rd and 20 to get into a 4th and 5 at the Giants 36 yard line if you are NOT going for it on 4th down? Especially, given the most likely outcome that the punt would have rolled into the end zone and netted a total of 16 yards in field position??? (Frost did luck out and pin them inside the 20. Which only helped the giants to eat up more clock on their ensuing drive.)

And why throw on 3rd and 1 unless you're planning on going for it on 4th and 1. Especially given the fact our kicker was hurt?
The way the game was going a 4th down conversion could have provided the spark we needed but, the coaching staff for whatever reason was not willing to take the necessary risk. There's times to play it safe and there's times to take risk. IMO, our coaching staff needs to do a better job of making this discernment.

[Apache]

Aside from the 3rd and 1 Rich, I was amazed when we chose a run or screen on those long situations. How retarded is that? If you're not going to throw near the first down marker in those long situations you may as well roll over and play dead by punting the ball on 3rd. A short screen when you need 20 says "I give up, I can't convert, let's just give the punter just a few more yards" Doesn't make sense to me. Can someone explain the logic? What do we think we'll catch em off guard for 20 yards because we need to throw so long so we throw a short route. You get 20 yards because something happened that allowed a runner to make it happen. You never bank on the fact that your runner will get 20 yards for a first down. That ball needed thrown deeper while 3rd and 1 should have been run.

[Keino]

McNair no better than Boller? You're kidding right?

[openallnight]

Aside from the 3rd and 1 Rich, I was amazed when we chose a run or screen on those long situations. How retarded is that? If you're not going to throw near the first down marker in those long situations you may as well roll over and play dead by punting the ball on 3rd. A short screen when you need 20 says "I give up, I can't convert, let's just give the punter just a few more yards" Doesn't make sense to me. Can someone explain the logic? What do we think we'll catch em off guard for 20 yards because we need to throw so long so we throw a short route. You get 20 yards because something happened that allowed a runner to make it happen. You never bank on the fact that your runner will get 20 yards for a first down. That ball needed thrown deeper while 3rd and 1 should have been run.
Actually, I thought the screen to portis on 3rd and 20 made perfect sense IF we were planning on going for it on 4th. Now, punting on the following play from their 36 on 4th and 5 with the way our D was playing made NO sense.

[akhhorus]

McNair no better than Boller? You're kidding right?

McNair first 4 starts of 2006(againt Oakland, Cleveland, San Diego and Tampa Bay):
73/131 786 yards 5 Td 3 INTs 7 sacks

Boller's last 4 starts of 2005(against Green Bay, Minnesota, Cleveland and Denver):
81/136 944 yards 7 tds 5 ints 6 sacks.

[Dolla Bill]

McNair first 4 starts of 2006(againt Oakland, Cleveland, San Diego and Tampa Bay):
73/131 786 yards 5 Td 3 INTs 7 sacks

Boller's last 4 starts of 2005(against Green Bay, Minnesota, Cleveland and Denver):
81/136 944 yards 7 tds 5 ints 6 sacks.


I thought Boller was coming on strong at the end of last year. He had a handful of good games at the end, but now he is gone. Akh, what would you like to see as far as any replacements that need to be made as far as starters vs. backups? Any at all? I personally would of liked to see Golston instead of Big Joe. Don't get me wrong, I like Joe, but I think that Golston is developing very nicely, and Joe could of used that time off to heal more.

[Taylor21TheUndertaker]

I think his toughness and ability in the clutch puts him head and shoulders above Boller. Boller?!?!?

[Keino]

McNair first 4 starts of 2006(againt Oakland, Cleveland, San Diego and Tampa Bay):
73/131 786 yards 5 Td 3 INTs 7 sacks

Boller's last 4 starts of 2005(against Green Bay, Minnesota, Cleveland and Denver):
81/136 944 yards 7 tds 5 ints 6 sacks.

Eh....How about the whole Body of work?

More importantly Their respective win/loss record:

Boller 2-2 in that Stretch and McNair 4-0 including a Game winning TD drive against a VERY tough SD team. If you meant statistically, well you may have a point, but Stats generally don't tell the whole story at all.

Honestly it's not even debateable, Boller has never anything close to mirroring an MVP season, while McNair has. McNair is tough and plays through injuries, while Boller has not shown that ability either. The there is the obvious.....McNair was brought in to replace Boller and team leaders like Ray Lewis suggest that he represents one of the missing pieces.

[akhhorus]

Eh....How about the whole Body of work?

More importantly Their respective win/loss record:

Boller 2-2 in that Stretch and McNair 4-0 including a Game winning TD drive against a VERY tough SD team. If you meant statistically, well you may have a point, but Stats generally don't tell the whole story at all.

Honestly it's not even debateable, Boller has never anything close to mirroring an MVP season, while McNair has. McNair is tough and plays through injuries, while Boller has not shown that ability either. The there is the obvious.....McNair was brought in to replace Boller and team leaders like Ray Lewis suggest that he represents one of the missing pieces.

But McNair was touted as the savoir from the dregdery of Boller, and he's not providing any more production than Boller did. Yes, he led a come back against a tough defense(with help from the refs), but beating 3 of the worse teams in the NFL shows nothing to me. I don't get why the Ravens fans are so behind McNair. Yes, he was an MVP in the past, but he's a shell of what he used to be.

[Keino]

I think it's hard to read anything in the Stats this early into the season. Especially when we are talking about a QB who came pretty late working with a new offense. And I disagree about the production comment, as the team is 4-0. In our own QB situation, Brunell's better games have frequently been games where he didn't light it up on the statistical side of things.

3 of the 4 teams you cite in stating Boller's case were lower escheleon teams as well and Boller had no real pressure to win given that his team was out of contention for the playoffs. Stats don't show leadership, pocket presence and the overall instillation of confidence in the other 10 players in the huddle. McNair has a trust that Boller simply didn't have. Maybe because his teamates didn't believe that throwing a ball 50 yards from his knee had a damn thing to do with winning.

[oldskinfan]

We got out played and we got out coached on both sides of the ball. That's right, GW, I'm eyeballin' you.

First of all BnG, your avatars are *hilarious*...took me a while to notice it was your latest mod.

Have to agree on putting a little heat on GW. When you're not sure about coverage, I would rather "go down swinging" and blitz the heck out of Manning from different angles and timings than sit and wait to be picked apart. Even on that first 40+ yarder to Burress, It was good to knock Manning on his bum. You do that enough and it eventually affects a QB (*especially a Manning*). You sit back and don't blitz enough, well you make him look like Joe frickin' Montana back there.

Just like the personality of this team is smashmouth running on offense, it should be blitz you silly on D. I know it's not that simple and you can't blitz *all* the time, but honestly, what have we got to lose? Sitting back did not work in the Vikings game and it did not work in this game either.

[SkinsASchamps]

First of all BnG, your avatars are *hilarious*...took me a while to notice it was your latest mod.

Have to agree on putting a little heat on GW. When you're not sure about coverage, I would rather "go down swinging" and blitz the heck out of Manning from different angles and timings than sit and wait to be picked apart. Even on that first 40+ yarder to Burress, It was good to knock Manning on his bum. You do that enough and it eventually affects a QB (*especially a Manning*). You sit back and don't blitz enough, well you make him look like Joe frickin' Montana back there.

Just like the personality of this team is smashmouth running on offense, it should be blitz you silly on D. I know it's not that simple and you can't blitz *all* the time, but honestly, what have we got to lose? Sitting back did not work in the Vikings game and it did not work in this game either.


Good post. Well said. I agree. We used to scare other teams with our defense. I know SS is good and is needed but we have 2 good to great safeties and we have lots of good guys in front of them. We need to pressure the QB and stop playing conservative. GW had schemes no one could block. We gotta get back to it. We cant wait for SS to do it. It needs to happen now and give our DBs a chance to only have to cover for a few seconds.

[RoanokeSkin]

McNair first 4 starts of 2006(againt Oakland, Cleveland, San Diego and Tampa Bay):
73/131 786 yards 5 Td 3 INTs 7 sacks

Boller's last 4 starts of 2005(against Green Bay, Minnesota, Cleveland and Denver):
81/136 944 yards 7 tds 5 ints 6 sacks.

Stats really mean nothing in this case. LEADERSHIP, CONFIDENCE, and WINS are what matters most.

[akhhorus]

Stats really mean nothing in this case. LEADERSHIP, CONFIDENCE, and WINS are what matters most.

So, stats don't matter in this case, so why should they matter when judging Brunell? And McNair beating three of the stiffs in the NFL doesn't mean much at all.

[shally]

So, stats don't matter in this case, so why should they matter when judging Brunell? And McNair beating three of the stiffs in the NFL doesn't mean much at all.

exactly right.. they don't.. brunell needs to sit.. campbell is either the answer, or we need to see that he isn't..

[Dolla Bill]

Stats really mean nothing in this case. LEADERSHIP, CONFIDENCE, and WINS are what matters most.


Speaking of which, I know that the offense believes in Brunell, but do you think that Brunell has "lead" this offense to being what it could be? When Brunell has time, he is still gun shy quite a bit. I have seen him hold, and hold, when there was at least a window of an opportunity to get the ball to either ARE or Moss. At least with this OL, Campbell can make plays happen with his feet. He might not be the fastest QB, but he can shift and roll better than MB.

[RoanokeSkin]

So, stats don't matter in this case, so why should they matter when judging Brunell? And McNair beating three of the stiffs in the NFL doesn't mean much at all.

Please see the LEADERSHIP, CONFIDENCE, and WINS portion of my comment. It has not been Brunell that has lead the offense (Portis and Moss have that distinction). The Wins have not been there either. Moss leads planet earth in YAC, so you cant exactly claim that Brunell has had difficulty getting the ball to him.

Speaking of which, I know that the offense believes in Brunell, but do you think that Brunell has "lead" this offense to being what it could be? When Brunell has time, he is still gun shy quite a bit. I have seen him hold, and hold, when there was at least a window of an opportunity to get the ball to either ARE or Moss. At least with this OL, Campbell can make plays happen with his feet. He might not be the fastest QB, but he can shift and roll better than MB.

I wasnt defending Brunell there Dolla, I was defending McNair. I agree that on our present track, we should probably be seeing Campbell after the bye week unless the consistency picks up and we win the next two games.

[akhhorus]

Please see the LEADERSHIP, CONFIDENCE, and WINS portion of my comment. It has not been Brunell that has lead the offense (Portis and Moss have that distinction). The Wins have not been there either. Moss leads planet earth in YAC, so you cant exactly claim that Brunell has had difficulty getting the ball to him.

So, if Campbell comes in, Portis and Moss have to defer to him? Because if they don't then, by your terms, Campbell isn't any more the leader tha Brunell. There goes one of your points. And please to be a dear and explain how Campbell could have done better than Brunell? I'll give you a hint: you can't. Its a counterfactual. And considering that there's been ZERO grumbling from the Skins even privately about Brunell, and that Moss has been supporting Brunell, even after the Dallas game, it would appear that he has the Confidence of the team. So, why exactly should we bench him again?

I wasnt defending Brunell there Dolla, I was defending McNair. I agree that on our present track, we should probably be seeing Campbell after the bye week unless the consistency picks up and we win the next two games.

You can't defend McNair in one criterium and not apply it to Brunell. Whats good for one is good for the other. And Brunell is having a better season than McNair stat wise. McNair has him on wins, but the Skins don't have the Ravens defense.

[RoanokeSkin]

You can't defend McNair in one criterium and not apply it to Brunell. Whats good for one is good for the other. And Brunell is having a better season than McNair stat wise. McNair has him on wins, but the Skins don't have the Ravens defense.

McNair has manufactured game winning drives and has won football games, I can defend him if I so choose. Stats are misleading because 1 big game can make you look great. I dont care about the stats, I care about the wins. But for the record, I didnt say to bench Brunell. All I said is that if we look like crap over the next two weeks, then we have to at least consider starting the kid because the franchise will go on without Brunell.

As far as the defense goes... Yes ours is not as good as the Ravens, but in two of our losses they have given up 19 points. If we cant score 21 points with the offensive weapons we have, there is a problem somewhere. To get shut down by the Vikings and the Giants is an embarrasment. The Giants secondary is just as sorry as ours has been, yet we could do nothing yesterday.

[akhhorus]

McNair has manufactured game winning drives

Drive singular I believe. Against SD. But then again...so did Brunell. Against the Jags.

and has won football games, I can defend him if I so choose. Stats are misleading because 1 big game can make you look great. I dont care about the stats, I care about the wins.

And please explain how Campbell or Collins would have done any better than Brunell? McNair has played 3 of the crappiest teams in the NFL. Brunell has played the Vikings, Cowboys, Giants, Jags and Houston. Thats a pretty tough schedule in the first 5 games.

But for the record, I didnt say to bench Brunell. All I said is that if we look like crap over the next two weeks, then we have to at least consider starting the kid because the franchise will go on without Brunell.

I agree with you there, but I don't think we will.

As far as the defense goes... Yes ours is not as good as the Ravens, but in two of our losses they have given up 19 points. If we cant score 21 points with the offensive weapons we have, there is a problem somewhere. To get shut down by the Vikings and the Giants is an embarrasment. The Giants secondary is just as sorry as ours has been, yet we could do nothing yesterday.

And we never do well in the Meadowlands. They're always up for that game. The last time we beat them in NYC, Jesse Palmer was their starting QB. If we looked this bad against Tampa or Tennessee, I would be very concerned. But considered we lost 36-0 there last year, I don't think this is the disaster y'all are making it out to be.

[RoanokeSkin]

And we never do well in the Meadowlands. They're always up for that game. The last time we beat them in NYC, Jesse Palmer was their starting QB. If we looked this bad against Tampa or Tennessee, I would be very concerned. But considered we lost 36-0 there last year, I don't think this is the disaster y'all are making it out to be.

Teams that want to win championships (either division, conference or superbowl) dont have to make excuses like "we never play well in the meadowlands". They go in to NY and they punch the Giants in the mouth like they own the joint. That stupid excuse has to go. Time to stop leaning on that crutch. We have to win road games at some point, or the best you can hope for is 8-8.

[RoanokeSkin]

Drive singular I believe. Against SD. But then again...so did Brunell. Against the Jags.

Thanks for pointing out drive was singular. Look back at Week 3, he led them into field goal range for the game winner with 3 minutes left. Hence 1+1 = 2. No longer singular.

[akhhorus]

Thanks for pointing out drive was singular. Look back at Week 3, he led them into field goal range for the game winner with 3 minutes left. Hence 1+1 = 2. No longer singular.

Against Cleveland. Brava. He's the MVP of the nfl this year lol.

Teams that want to win championships (either division, conference or superbowl) dont have to make excuses like "we never play well in the meadowlands".

Thats not true at all. The Skins have never played well in the Meadowlands. NEVER. And saying things like: "well championship teams don't have to make excuses like that" is stupid. So, if you make an "excuse", you can't be a championship team? Some teams don't play well in certain stadiums, no matter how good they are. Philly struggles in the meadowlands and in Texas Stadium no matter how good they are. The Pats struggle in Miami(lost 3 out the last 5 there and struggled to win the other 2) Oh wait, thats an excuse, and you can't be a championship team if you do that. :rolleyes:

They go in to NY and they punch the Giants in the mouth like they own the joint. That stupid excuse has to go. Time to stop leaning on that crutch. We have to win road games at some point, or the best you can hope for is 8-8.

Its not a crutch, its reality. 5 out of the last 6 times we've played there, we're lost(and usually badly, i think only 2002 was a remotely close game). So I guess its not Gibbs or Brunell, huh? So, would you we rather won in NYC, but lost many others? At least that crutch would be gone lmao.

[Rypien_Returns]

Yeah, it's really shocking how Coach has a terrible time winning in the Meadowlands. I don't know what it is, but the Skins never show up for this game. I really don't get it.


Maybe it's because the coach sounds like a defeated man before the game is played.

[RoanokeSkin]

Against Cleveland. Brava. He's the MVP of the nfl this year lol.

Nope, not the MVP, but just as meaningful to that team. McNair is doing what he is with limited to NO offensive weapons. Think if he had Moss, ARE, and Lloyd to work with.


Its not a crutch, its reality. 5 out of the last 6 times we've played there, we're lost(and usually badly, i think only 2002 was a remotely close game). So I guess its not Gibbs or Brunell, huh? So, would you we rather won in NYC, but lost many others? At least that crutch would be gone lmao.

No, I would settle for going in there and playing like a NFL football team. Yesterday, USC could have shut us down. The final score would have been something to resemble 36-0 if the much maligned defense hadnt at least held the Giants offense to field goals most of the day. I would say we got dominated just as badly as last year, drives just ended in 3 instead of 7 or it was practically an instant replay.

And does winning in NY mean we lose other games.... I dont follow that line of thinking

[akhhorus]

Nope, not the MVP, but just as meaningful to that team. McNair is doing what he is with limited to NO offensive weapons. Think if he had Moss, ARE, and Lloyd to work with.

Thats not true at all. He has Jamal Lewis and Mike Anderson. He has Todd Heap. He has Derrick Mason and Mark Clayton at WR. Moss, ARe and Lloyd are very good WRs and Portis is a great back(better than what Baltimore has), but you cannot say he has no offensive weapons. More ridiculous statements from you.

No, I would settle for going in there and playing like a NFL football team. Yesterday, USC could have shut us down. The final score would have been something to resemble 36-0 if the much maligned defense hadnt at least held the Giants offense to field goals most of the day. I would say we got dominated just as badly as last year, drives just ended in 3 instead of 7 or it was practically an instant replay.

Well, send your complaints to the 2004(7 turnovers) and 2005(36-0) redskins as well. The Skins actually looked better than those two teams' attempts in the meadowlands. Yes, we looked like crap yesterday, but this wasn't the disaster you are making into. It was a bad loss, but every team has a bad loss(unless you go undefeated) during a season(I'm sure you're going to call that excuse making though lol, but its a fact), the question is how you recover from those losses. Feel free to go look at the recent history of the Skins in NYC. Our last good win was in 1999.

And does winning in NY mean we lose other games.... I dont follow that line of thinking

You just seem to want to beat the Giants in NY over all else. And thanks for not discussing about half of what im writing now. It says a lot about you.

[RoanokeSkin]

Thats not true at all. He has Jamal Lewis and Mike Anderson. He has Todd Heap. He has Derrick Mason and Mark Clayton at WR. Moss, ARe and Lloyd are very good WRs and Portis is a great back(better than what Baltimore has), but you cannot say he has no offensive weapons. More ridiculous statements from you.

LMFAO!!! Im sorry, you called McNair a "shell of what he used to be", yet you claim he has "weapons" like Jamal Lewis, Mike Anderson, and Derrick Mason. Those guys are pretty much members of the "not what they used to be" club, wouldnt you say. Moss, ARE, Portis and Lloyd are all entering or in their prime. So who is the ridiculous one?

Well, send your complaints to the 2004(7 turnovers) and 2005(36-0) redskins as well. The Skins actually looked better than those two teams' attempts in the meadowlands. Yes, we looked like crap yesterday, but this wasn't the disaster you are making into. It was a bad loss, but every team has a bad loss(unless you go undefeated) during a season(I'm sure you're going to call that excuse making though lol, but its a fact), the question is how you recover from those losses. Feel free to go look at the recent history of the Skins in NYC. Our last good win was in 1999.

I dont care about the previous years Akh. I am talking about yesterday and the completely heartless disasterous performance from our beloved Redskins. This makes our second straight heartless performance in the DIVISION. Unless you believe we played well in Dallas.


You just seem to want to beat the Giants in NY over all else. And thanks for not discussing about half of what im writing now. It says a lot about you.

I want to win divisional games, sue me. I am not content with mediocrity from our mega payroll.

And Akh, Sorry I dont take the time to quote every members response in EVERY thread, and I know I dont have 26,000 + posts, but it may mean I actually dont spend every waking moment on a message board.

[akhhorus]

LMFAO!!! Im sorry, you called McNair a "shell of what he used to be", yet you claim he has "weapons" like Jamal Lewis, Mike Anderson, and Derrick Mason.

And how is that a contradiction? McNair is a shell of what he used to be and how is that remotely related to who plays around him?

Those guys are pretty much members of the "not what they used to be" club, wouldnt you say. Moss, ARE, Portis and Lloyd are all entering or in their prime. So who is the ridiculous one?

You might have a case with Mason, but not with Lewis, Heap, Anderson or Clayton. We have more weapons, but to say that Baltimore has nothing is just stupid.

I dont care about the previous years Akh. I am talking about yesterday and the completely heartless disasterous performance from our beloved Redskins.

You should care. We never play well in New York, no matter how good we are. Thats a fact. I know you don't like those pesky things.

This makes our second straight heartless performance in the DIVISION. Unless you believe we played well in Dallas.

We didn't play well, but we didn't have Portis then. We did here and didn't play well. Still not a disaster.

I want to win divisional games, sue me. I am not content with mediocrity from our mega payroll.

So do i. I didn't like yesterday's result, but this isn't the end of the season many people are making it out to be. We got destroyed in New York(oh wait, the past doesn't matter to you lol) last year, yet rebounded. Why are you letting those pesky facts get in your way..again.

And Akh, Sorry I dont take the time to quote every members response in EVERY thread, and I know I dont have 26,000 + posts, but it may mean I actually dont spend every waking moment on a message board.

Right, you have the time to keep coming back to respond to my comments today, but don't have the time to respond to all of my comments today. LMAO. Did you even think before posting this?

[RoanokeSkin]

And how is that a contradiction? McNair is a shell of what he used to be and how is that remotely related to who plays around him?

McNair is still winning games. I would take that right now.

You might have a case with Mason, but not with Lewis, Heap, Anderson or Clayton. We have more weapons, but to say that Baltimore has nothing is just stupid.

Give me a break. Amongst those guys you mentioned, Heap is a weapon. Anderson, Mason, and Lewis are all past their primes and Clayton is still trying to prove himself.

You should care. We never play well in New York, no matter how good we are. Thats a fact. I know you don't like those pesky things.

Sometimes good teams actually do things they dont typically do. Sometimes...



We didn't play well, but we didn't have Portis then. We did here and didn't play well. Still not a disaster.

It was a terrible loss, as was the Dallas game. I dont believe it is the end of our season, but we are on the brink.



So do i. I didn't like yesterday's result, but this isn't the end of the season many people are making it out to be. We got destroyed in New York(oh wait, the past doesn't matter to you lol) last year, yet rebounded. Why are you letting those pesky facts get in your way..again.

The fact is, not many teams have won the last 5 games of a season in consecutive years, and we are setting ourselves up to have to do that again. It wont happen two straight years, and our schedule is not very cooperative this year.


Right, you have the time to keep coming back to respond to my comments today, but don't have the time to respond to all of my comments today. LMAO. Did you even think before posting this?

I think before every post Akh. I read through your posts quite regularly and I dont know that I can always say the same for you. You could care less what we are talking about right now... you just want to debate. I am quite sure when I log back on tomorrow, there will be some witty, useless response to this. You have to have the last word, always. I am done with this though, because in the real world, this would be about time for a beatdown.:sfight:

[akhhorus]

McNair is still winning games. I would take that right now.

Against Cleveland, Oakland, Tampa. Yes, a win is a win, but Brunell's had tougher teams to play against.

Give me a break. Amongst those guys you mentioned, Heap is a weapon. Anderson, Mason, and Lewis are all past their primes and Clayton is still trying to prove himself.

Anderson is a backup now, Lewis is doing better than last year. Mason is having a good season.


Sometimes good teams actually do things they dont typically do. Sometimes...

And sometimes you can't fight history.

It was a terrible loss, as was the Dallas game. I dont believe it is the end of our season, but we are on the brink.

I don't think so. We can see the edge of the cliff, but we're not on the edge.


The fact is, not many teams have won the last 5 games of a season in consecutive years, and we are setting ourselves up to have to do that again. It wont happen two straight years, and our schedule is not very cooperative this year.

And if it does, what will you do? And beating Dallas, Giants and Philly after two road games didn't look hard then? Please go back and see what people said they would do if we won those games.

I think before every post Akh.

LOL....right

I read through your posts quite regularly and I dont know that I can always say the same for you. You could care less what we are talking about right now... you just want to debate.

Not true. Im not a fan of getting into like this, unless its a person who can hold an intelligent debate. You obviously are incapable of doing that.

I am quite sure when I log back on tomorrow, there will be some witty, useless response to this. You have to have the last word, always. I am done with this though, because in the real world, this would be about time for a beatdown.:sfight:

Ooooooo internet tough guy. This has to be the funniest and most pathetic thing ever said on this forum.

[RoanokeSkin]

Not true. Im not a fan of getting into like this, unless its a person who can hold an intelligent debate. You obviously are incapable of doing that.

Ooooooo internet tough guy. This has to be the funniest and most pathetic thing ever said on this forum.


You are debating that you like to debate....what a joke..LMAO!!! Go back through the threads there Shakespeare, I have seen you have long heated debates with many over the past 2 years. I just find you comical because you will NEVER concede a point. The only guy on the board who has never been wrong and who makes me want to punch a hole in my monitor on a regular basis even when I am not involved with the discussion. If a human being gets more opinionated than you, I dont want to meet that person.

[akhhorus]

You are debating that you like to debate....what a joke..LMAO!!! Go back through the threads there Shakespeare, I have seen you have long heated debates with many over the past 2 years. I just find you comical because you will NEVER concede a point. The only guy on the board who has never been wrong and who makes me want to punch a hole in my monitor on a regular basis even when I am not involved with the discussion. If a human being gets more opinionated than you, I dont want to meet that person.

Then thats your problem, not mine. I can't be responsible for how you feel. And I thought you were done with this?

[RoanokeSkin]

Then thats your problem, not mine. I can't be responsible for how you feel. And I thought you were done with this?

LOL. I think I am now.

[akhhorus]

LOL. I think I am now.

You've said it before and gone back on it.

[hail2skins]

Ok, you both (Ronoake and Akh) need to chill. Don't personally attack the person, just the content and don't threaten people on this board.

[BurgundyNGold]

LOL, Akh has a new friend.

[hail2skins]

LOL, Akh has a new friend.You instigator.

[BurgundyNGold]

You instigator.
Sorry, I didn't see your warning. :)

[Taylor21TheUndertaker]

:sleep:

[HAWGZHEAD]

LMAO at the Brady Quinn line.

Seriously can we get some crazy glue for Rogers, or maybe some pine tar? This used to only irritate me and yesterday that wasn't the easiest catch to make but come on can't he make a play once on a ball, sheesh.

[akhhorus]

LMAO at the Brady Quinn line.

Im telling you, wait until late march 2007 when Quinn realizes he's going to be a raider. He's going to go on a 2 week coke and asian hooker bender with ESPN filming it for Outside the Lines hoping to drop himself 1 pick to Detroit. If that doesn't work he might show up in Oakland for the interview in a dress or something.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Im telling you, wait until late march 2007 when Quinn realizes he's going to be a raider. He's going to go on a 2 week coke and asian hooker bender with ESPN filming it for Outside the Lines hoping to drop himself 1 pick to Detroit. If that doesn't work he might show up in Oakland for the interview in a dress or something.
Or fake his own death...but the Raiders might be dumb enough to draft a corpse with the first overall pick...

[akhhorus]

Or fake his own death...but the Raiders might be dumb enough to draft a corpse with the first overall pick...

And show up on the podium after the Raiders announce the drafting of Adrian Peterson or something? I could buy it. If only for the Outside The Lines special: "How Brady Quinn saved his career" two weeks later.

[HAWGZHEAD]

He's going to go on a 2 week coke and asian hooker bender with ESPN filming it for Outside the Lines hoping to drop himself 1 pick to Detroit. If that doesn't work he might show up in Oakland for the interview in a dress or something. He does all that and the rayduhs might just give him a huge signing bonus lol.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

And show up on the podium after the Raiders announce the drafting of Adrian Peterson or something? I could buy it. If only for the Outside The Lines special: "How Brady Quinn saved his career" two weeks later.
That could really happen...anything is possible with these Radiers...if they only had drafted Vince Young..they could have hired The Game to teach him spelling...

[BurgundyNGold]

That could really happen...anything is possible with these Radiers...if they only had drafted Vince Young..they could have hired The Game to teach him spelling...
:lol1:

Nice one.

[akhhorus]

That could really happen...anything is possible with these Radiers...if they only had drafted Vince Young..they could have hired The Game to teach him spelling...

I hope someone has a sign on sunday for Vince Tamland for his wonderlic score.

[Biggie]

..they could have hired The Game to teach him spelling...

Wouldn't it be the other way around?

[shally]

:lol1:

Nice one.

do we know who has the higher wonderlic score...