Hall Injured/Tired Leg [Merged]

[Slobberknocker]

...I'll say. (Badoom tish)

Didn't even notice he wasn't kicking off but either way, we're not getting the job done -- shock, I know.

Per www.redskins.com:

FROST BACK ON KICKOFFS

Derrick Frost was used on kickoffs in Sunday's game, replacing John Hall.

Joe Gibbs said that Hall was experiencing a "tired leg" last week in practice, so the team opted to rest him on kickoffs.

"Anytime we get that, we feel confident with Derrick," Gibbs said.

Frost kicked off twice in the game and both times Giants' kick returner Chad Morton fielded the ball at the 8-yard line. Morton had a 35-yard return in the first quarter.

PS -- Did you guys know Patten was inactive for the game? Duckett was active and boy, did he make a difference on that crucial 3rd and 1. :rolleyes:

[LATrueRedskin]

It shocks me how a professional kicker can have a tired leg. I can understand if me or even PGiddy has a tired leg, but a kicker in the NFL should not. That's just unacceptable.

[shally]

...I'll say. (Badoom tish)

Didn't even notice he wasn't kicking off but either way, we're not getting the job done -- shock, I know.

Per www.redskins.com:

FROST BACK ON KICKOFFS

Derrick Frost was used on kickoffs in Sunday's game, replacing John Hall.

Joe Gibbs said that Hall was experiencing a "tired leg" last week in practice, so the team opted to rest him on kickoffs.

"Anytime we get that, we feel confident with Derrick," Gibbs said.

Frost kicked off twice in the game and both times Giants' kick returner Chad Morton fielded the ball at the 8-yard line. Morton had a 35-yard return in the first quarter.

PS -- Did you guys know Patten was inactive for the game? Duckett was active and boy, did he make a difference on that crucial 3rd and 1. :rolleyes:

says volumes about how the team views patten's future.. and what they think of duckett's prowess.. tell me again why we traded for him ??

[shally]

It shocks me how a professional kicker can have a tired leg. I can understand if me or even PGiddy has a tired leg, but a kicker in the NFL should not. That's just unacceptable.

sounds more like hall is damaged goods once again and that is the way of covering for it from a press perspective

[PennSkinsFan]

We have many more problems than Hall and Frost

[redskin_rich]

This thread has a purpose and is worth discussion. I just took it wrong and I have apologized.


Edit- for my misunderstanding and jumping to conclusions.

[Slobberknocker]

This thread is not about why we lost today. It's about Hall's status as kicker and has nothing to do with this game specifically besides the note that Frost did the kickoffs and Hall missed a kick.

Thus, it's a kicking thread. Not added to the why we lost thread...

[shally]

This is a useless thread, placing unnecessary blame where it doesn't belong.
I'm sorry for being so blunt but this has nothing at all to do with why we lost today.

true.. but when hall MISSED there was no reason to even watch the 4th quarter.. it let the air totally out of the balloon

[redskin_rich]

This thread is not about why we lost today. It's about Hall's status as kicker and has nothing to do with this game specifically besides the note that Frost did the kickoffs and Hall missed a kick.

Thus, it's a kicking thread. Not added to the why we lost thread...
Ok, then please accept my apologies. :)

I am PO'ed by bigger problems right now but I was going to address Hall's miss at some point this week. It is just not very high on my worry list at this point.

[Slobberknocker]

true.. but when hall MISSED there was no reason to even watch the 4th quarter.. it let the air totally out of the balloon

I agree. Coming on top of the throw on 3rd and 1, the missed kick felt like a knockout blow. But oh, wait, this just morphed into a why-we-lost thread. DELETE DELETE DELETE...

[BurgundyNGold]

I think this thread is to read "Hall has Tired Leg", no?

Anyway, I've about had it with Hall. He's basically Eddie Murray -- worthless over 40 yards and can't handle kickoffs. How does a guy get a "tired" leg kicking 6 or 8 times a game??? WTH does he do with his "strength and conditiojning" every day, year round?

[shally]

I think this thread is to read "Hall has Tired Leg", no?

Anyway, I've about had it with Hall. He's basically Eddie Murray -- worthless over 40 yards and can't handle kickoffs. How does a guy get a "tired" leg kicking 6 or 8 times a game??? WTH does he do with his "strength and conditiojning" every day, year round?

hall will NOT be the kicker for the skins next year.. the question remains whether the skins look to replace him this year.. that i do not think will happen unless he develops the yips from inside 40..
besides, as other have pointed out, we have larger problems to deal with right now. BUT if the team regains it's edge, it is still something that will lurk back there waiting to hurt the team down the road.
i will say it again, hall is still damaged goods.. i do not care if he is 9/11 or some such.. he is not reliable, he is not whole, and he leaves the skins vulnerable by forcing frost to kick off. this shifts the field position in almost every case..

[Slobberknocker]

I'm a fan of Hall on the whole, but something just doesn't look right to me. He's supposedly fully recovered from the injury, yet he still "pushes" the ball in a manner he didn't before -- whether he kicks it straight through the uprights or no. Either he's fully himself or he's not. And if he's not, is the "new" Hall commanding our confidence from a variety of ranges?

Right now, my reaction is still amazement when the kick is good. It looks to me like a boot and a puff of wind. I want the old Hall back... wherever that guy went.

I wholeheartedly agree that it's not time to start polishing the brass while our secondary is counting rowboats...

I just fear our kicking is symptomatic of a tendency to not be clearheaded about what's actually happening. We never get touchbacks and when the kick has mattered in the closing seconds we didn't get it done.

This needs to be addressed sometime in the future. It's not far off. Either Hall is whole and himself or options at least need to be considered...

[superskin]

It's odd...Hall has actually had a good year "statistically" thus far. So why does it feel like we have such a liability at kicker? Well, like many of you have said, George Blanda himself couldnt have kicked us out of this butt whippin today.

Here comes the Titans....onward and upward, 12th Man.

[BurgundyNGold]

I'm a fan of Hall on the whole, but something just doesn't look right to me. He's supposedly fully recovered from the injury, yet he still "pushes" the ball in a manner he didn't before -- whether he kicks it straight through the uprights or no. Either he's fully himself or he's not. And if he's not, is the "new" Hall commanding our confidence from a variety of ranges?

Right now, my reaction is still amazement when the kick is good. It looks to me like a boot and a puff of wind. I want the old Hall back... wherever that guy went.

I wholeheartedly agree that it's not time to start polishing the brass while our secondary is counting rowboats...

I just fear our kicking is symptomatic of a tendency to not be clearheaded about what's actually happening. We never get touchbacks and when the kick has mattered in the closing seconds we didn't get it done.

This needs to be addressed sometime in the future. It's not far off. Either Hall is whole and himself or options at least need to be considered...
Meh. It's too late this year unless Hall just completely implodes. The only thing to do is to coddle him and make him feel good so at least his head is right. Then don't give him kicks of over 40 yards. So, if it's 4th and fricken 1 from the 25, you fricken go for it from now on, lol.

[BurgundyNGold]

It's odd...Hall has actually had a good year "statistically" thus far. So why does it feel like we have such a liability at kicker? Well, like many of you have said, George Blanda himself couldnt have kicked us out of this butt whippin today.

Here comes the Titans....onward and upward, 12th Man.
We'll be there, Supe. We always are. The question is which Redskins squad will show up?

[shally]

I'm a fan of Hall on the whole, but something just doesn't look right to me. He's supposedly fully recovered from the injury, yet he still "pushes" the ball in a manner he didn't before -- whether he kicks it straight through the uprights or no. Either he's fully himself or he's not. And if he's not, is the "new" Hall commanding our confidence from a variety of ranges?

Right now, my reaction is still amazement when the kick is good. It looks to me like a boot and a puff of wind. I want the old Hall back... wherever that guy went.

I wholeheartedly agree that it's not time to start polishing the brass while our secondary is counting rowboats...

I just fear our kicking is symptomatic of a tendency to not be clearheaded about what's actually happening. We never get touchbacks and when the kick has mattered in the closing seconds we didn't get it done.

This needs to be addressed sometime in the future. It's not far off. Either Hall is whole and himself or options at least need to be considered...

hall is clearly NOT whole.. the fact that he has kicked off and not kicked off speaks volumes because of what happens when frost kicks off.. they are trying to keep him healthy enough to kick fg's from 40 in.. but that will come around to bite the team anyway because we will hemorrhage field position with every frost kickoff.
he will be gone next year.. it only matters whether his deficiencies end up costing the team a game or 2 the rest of the year.

[shally]

We'll be there, Supe. We always are. The question is which Redskins squad will show up?

or which part of the squad will show up ? defense ? offense ? maybe special teams next game...

[SpicyMcHaggis]

A "tired leg"??? Good lord..that is so ridiculous it's almost funny...could Hall explain to us what he does during the day to develop a tired leg, since his sole purpose on this team is to use his legs to kick FGs? Does he run marathons all day? Does he walk around with 100 pound weights attached to his ankles? And yeah, I have great confidence in "Derrick" kicking off as well....to the 10 yard line.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

hall is clearly NOT whole.. the fact that he has kicked off and not kicked off speaks volumes because of what happens when frost kicks off.. they are trying to keep him healthy enough to kick fg's from 40 in.. but that will come around to bite the team anyway because we will hemorrhage field position with every frost kickoff.
he will be gone next year.. it only matters whether his deficiencies end up costing the team a game or 2 the rest of the year.
If missing a makeable game-tying FG with time expiring qualifies as "costing the team a game", that's already happened.

[CarMike]

It shocks me how a professional kicker can have a tired leg. I can understand if me or even PGiddy has a tired leg, but a kicker in the NFL should not. That's just unacceptable.
That, and we're only in the 5th week!!!

I'll tell my boss today that i'm tired and can't work. Wonder what he'll say?

[SpicyMcHaggis]

That, and we're only in the 5th week!!!

I'll tell my boss today that i'm tired and can't work. Wonder what he'll say?
"Don't bother showing up again".

[csquared]

Im confused. If i heard correct it was Hall with the tired leg not Frost?? They said this on triplexespn radio after the game. Looks like somebody had a little to much to drink after the loss yesterday. :lol1:

[RoanokeSkin]

Give me 5 minutes in a room with Frost and Hall.... and I would have a tired leg.

This is why I hate kickers in general.

[hail2skins]

After 5 games how can he have a tired legg when he's only had 9 FG attempts and 9 pat's.

[Apache]

Definately need a reliable kicker! He's always got issue's. We knew that and they didn't address it. When healthy, I think he is a decent kicker maybe not the best but, decent. Problem is that I haven't seen him healthy for years. Every year it seems he's pulling or nursing something. They need to address this because it's crucial. Teams need to have confidence that they can make just about anything under 40. Kicking field goals has made or broke teams many times on those close games. Hopefully, they will look at that in the off season.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

After 5 games how can he have a tired legg when he's only had 9 FG attempts and 9 pat's.
Actually to be precise he had a tired leg before the game, so it's only 4 games..if this is not alarming then I don't know what is. Frankly, as a franchise, I would be embarassed to say something like that and I would make up some other excuse..

[Axegrinder]

His next excuse will be that he's blind and couldn't see the ball.

This guy is a disgrace.He was great when he arrived,but he is only a former shell of himself.If he's lost something..... he's got to go.Just like they did with LaVar.

[Skinz4lyfe]

I read that garbage and was surprised. Then again should I be surprised? He didn't start kicking off until 2 weeks ago, I believe and has only had 9 FGs to date. Yet he has a tired leg? What gives? He needs to be cut right after the year is over. If he can't kick off because his leg gets tired, I at least expect him to be excellent on his FGs. He's not even giving us that so he needs to go.

[shally]

After 5 games how can he have a tired legg when he's only had 9 FG attempts and 9 pat's.

i believe it is just a euphamism for he is still injured.. or has not recovered from surgery..

he is simply damaged goods at this point..

maybe we can find the next akers in someone else's dumpster ??

[BurgundyNGold]

i believe it is just a euphamism for he is still injured.. or has not recovered from surgery..

he is simply damaged goods at this point..

maybe we can find the next akers in someone else's dumpster ??
Then he never will. Same thing happened to that other kicker we had a while back. We just couldn't wait forever and he got cut.

[shally]

Then he never will. Same thing happened to that other kicker we had a while back. We just couldn't wait forever and he got cut.

hall is not going to ever be better.. same as with conway... a kicker with a bad leg is a finished kicker

[lakeskin]

Looks like he can rest that leg now.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2618642

[redskin_rich]

Looks like he can rest that leg now.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2618642
Too little, too late. The opportunity to upgrade was over the offseason.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

Maybe Hall should have just shut up and kicked.

[bergiemoore]

I am tired of Hall. I am tired of having to pray on any field goal attempt that is longer than 40 yards. I am tired of the inconsistency during kick-offs, and the great field position we give other teams because we have our punter handling our place kicker's job. If I told my boss that I was only up to doing half of my work this week, I think I'd be out of a job.

Why in the heck did we not try-out other kickers in the offseason?

Get rid of the guy

[BurgundyNGold]

Hall has a tired story.

[silverspring]

Tired leg = injury is back.
The writing has been on the wall for a 2 seasons now, he has a reoccurring injury. Just like we should have gotten rid of frost cause he has a reoccuring shank syndrome. I sympathize more with hanging onto hall cause at least he was good for a while.

I see our best option now is a 36 year old kicker. This is why we need to stop spending our offseason focusing on buying new toys we don't really need and instead fix known problems. Can we find a replacement for danny smith first?

[PennSkinsFan]

Brett Conway Part II

[CarMike]

Peterson and Novak huh? I'd like to give Novak another chance.

[Skinz4lyfe]

Why didn't we bring in "legit" competition in training camp, other than Tyler Jones? Are you kidding me? Hopefully Todd Peterson or "insert healthy kicker's name here" will be brought on because I am not confident in Hall.

[Meatsnack]

It has to be Petersen if only because of THIS (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=3069) picture. :lol1:

Plus, he is more acurate than Hall by the numbers. I don't know how his kickoffs are. Any hR members from Georgia know what his leg strength is like?

[CarMike]

As I said earlier, i'd prefer Novak to have another chance to win the job.

[shally]

Looks like he can rest that leg now.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2618642

been a long time in coming.. the only question is whether we attempt to sign someone who could settle our kicker for quite a few years (novak or another young kicker) or whether we want the most battle tested vet we can get..

depends upon what each shows in practice.. but i would love to find another akers that could put this position to rest for some time.. another older kicker is fraught with the possibility of deterioration once again...

[shally]

Too little, too late. The opportunity to upgrade was over the offseason.


not so sure about that.. a kicker who can actually kick off and who has better than a 50/50 chance between 40-45 yards would be a considerable upgrade

[BurgundyNGold]

It has to be Petersen if only because of THIS (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=3069) picture. :lol1:

Plus, he is more acurate than Hall by the numbers. I don't know how his kickoffs are. Any hR members from Georgia know what his leg strength is like?
LOL, nice.

[BurgundyNGold]

Let the frenzy begin...

Hall Injured; Kicker Competition Slated
Novak Expected at Redskins Park

By Howard Bryant (http://projects.washingtonpost.com/staff/email/howard+bryant/)
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, October 9, 2006; 5:34 PM

The Washington Redskins will bring in five placekickers -- including former Redskin Nick Novak -- tomorrow to compete to replace John Hall, according to sources. It was unclear which other players have been invited.

Novak is expected to arrive at Redskins Park on Tuesday morning for a workout with the team as a response to current kicker John Hall's injured right quadriceps.

...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/09/AR2006100900863.html

EDIT: Mods may wish to merge this, but it seemed to be a new topic from leg "tired"

[Biggie]

Oh get the **** out.

Well, actually, we all knew this was going to happen. Maybe Novak can actually stick this time.

[EZCUSE]

Is he going to get cut by the Broncos? If so, the Skins should pick him up ASAP.
Thoughts?

[MONK_in_HOF]

I think they'll do this very quickly," said Rich DeLuca, Novak's agent. "Tomorrow, they'll probably give everyone 10 to 12 kicks each, let them do what they all do. And by 1 or 2 p.m. they'll probably have themselves a new kicker."

That doesn't seem like very many kicks for a tryout. I guess maybe they have seen these guys before, but I would think a K attempts at least double that amount each practice. Maybe I am way off in that assumption.

[NCskinsfanatic]

Well therer you have it, his leg is sooo tired the offseason surgery has failed. I like John, I really do but even after the seemingly successful surgery he was erratic fom outside of 35 yards. I'm sure he gave it his best and I hope he can come back for someone after he gets healthy . I would think we ned to choose wisely here we don't need just a stop gap we need Hall's replacement and ...wait a minute ...this just in... yes, ok ... it's been confirmed we need a kicker that can also kickoff , is this some kind of new requirement I'm unaware of...:rolleyes: !

[csquared]

Is he going to get cut by the Broncos? If so, the Skins should pick him up ASAP.
Thoughts?
Well since Sauerbrun is a punter he isnt going to help us too much. We are looking for a place kicker. :banghead:

[techskinsfan]

WE WANT NOVAK

[BurgundyNGold]

Is he going to get cut by the Broncos? If so, the Skins should pick him up ASAP.
Thoughts?
???

If he gets cut, then we can look at him for P like I imagine every other team will. Why would he get cut though?

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Dear Washington Redskins,
I have an idea! Since Vinatieri and Longwell are free agents this year, and our kicker has been unreliable and injured for the past few years, why don't we go out and sign one of them in free agency instead of giving a boatload of money to a safety who is a complete liability in coverage (and a downgrade from last year), to a defensive end who has had one good year in his career, to a wide receiver who has never had a 1000 yard season and who would cost us 2 picks for no improvement over what we had last year, and to a running back who will cost us a third round pick and who will never play for us?
Spicy McHaggis
Date: Offseason, 2006.

(But nooooo....kicker is not glamorous enough to merit any attention. MUCH better to keep a completely washed up kicker who will cost us the first game of the season, and will be misteriously injured after only 5 games, and who will develope a strange "tired leg" syndrome after only 4 games and approximately 20 total kicks.)

[shally]

???

If he gets cut, then we can look at him for P like I imagine every other team will. Why would he get cut though?


does he not have both substance and psychiatric issues ? (he uses 'roids and is crazy as a bedbug...) that might be a reason for some teams shying away.. also he used to command a pretty hefty salary..

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Well therer you have it, his leg is sooo tired the offseason surgery has failed. I like John, I really do but even after the seemingly successful surgery he was erratic fom outside of 35 yards. I'm sure he gave it his best and I hope he can come back for someone after he gets healthy . I would think we ned to choose wisely here we don't need just a stop gap we need Hall's replacement and ...wait a minute ...this just in... yes, ok ... it's been confirmed we need a kicker that can also kickoff , is this some kind of new requirement I'm unaware of...:rolleyes: !
I really could not care less about John Hall as a person. He only interests me because he is the kicker of the Washington Redskins. And if he wants to come back, he can be my gardner for 5 bucks an hour. At least then he will be earning his pay.

Edit: he can walk my dog if he wants too as well. But my dog weighs about 150 pounds. I don't know if Hall's legs are strong enough...

[hail2skins]

This is already covered in the other Hall thread. Merging.

[PA Skins Girl]

Will Hall go on IR, get cut, or will they carry two kickers til he's healthy?

[Meatsnack]

Let the frenzy begin...


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/09/AR2006100900863.html

EDIT: Mods may wish to merge this, but it seemed to be a new topic from leg "tired"
Well, we should definitely get someone who hasn't been kicking in the league this year because the other guys will have tired legs from 5 brutal games into the season. :rolleyes:

I like Hall, too. He seems like a nice kid and someone who plays hard and can cover on kickoffs. But he hasn't been worth poop in a handbag as a kicker for years now due to his fragility. A lot of good QBs in this league lose jobs over sitting and letting other people play. A kicker? :doh:

[shally]

Will Hall go on IR, get cut, or will they carry two kickers til he's healthy?
IR or some kind of injury settlement would be my guess..... to cut him outright will invite a complaint from the union (not that they fear that, but it would be cleaner)
as a vet he will get paid this year's salary.. IR keeps him from going anywhere else... i do not think that is an issue right now

i cannot see any way they carry 2 kickers

[BurgundyNGold]

Dear Washington Redskins,
I have an idea! Since Vinatieri and Longwell are free agents this year, and our kicker has been unreliable and injured for the past few years, why don't we go out and sign one of them in free agency instead of giving a boatload of money to a safety who is a complete liability in coverage (and a downgrade from last year), to a defensive end who has had one good year in his career, to a wide receiver who has never had a 1000 yard season and who would cost us 2 picks for no improvement over what we had last year, and to a running back who will cost us a third round pick and who will never play for us?
Spicy McHaggis
Date: Offseason, 2006.

(But nooooo....kicker is not glamorous enough to merit any attention. MUCH better to keep a completely washed up kicker who will cost us the first game of the season, and will be misteriously injured after only 5 games, and who will develope a strange "tired leg" syndrome after only 4 games and approximately 20 total kicks.)
Yeah, but ironically, Vinatieri and Vangderjagt have been injured too.

[HAWGZHEAD]

Hmmmm, is he really injured or is this Gibbs way of letting a "supernice team guy" go. :D

[shally]

Yeah, but ironically, Vinatieri and Vangderjagt have been injured too.

interesting.. i think vinatieri does okay.. i still think VDJ eventually flames out...

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Yeah, but ironically, Vinatieri and Vangderjagt have been injured too.
But at least the teams that aquired them understood that they had a problem with the kicking game and tried seriously to fix it. Vinatieri is the most clutch kicker I can remember, and Vanderjagt may be a drunk, but he is the most accurate kicker in NFL history. But I guess stockpiling wide receivers and running backs who are never going to touch the ball was the more sensible thing to do.

[BurgundyNGold]

IR or some kind of injury settlement would be my guess..... to cut him outright will invite a complaint from the union (not that they fear that, but it would be cleaner)
as a vet he will get paid this year's salary.. IR keeps him from going anywhere else... i do not think that is an issue right now

i cannot see any way they carry 2 kickers
IR now and then he'll be quietly cut in the offseason.

[MONK_in_HOF]

But at least the teams that aquired them understood that they had a problem with the kicking game and tried seriously to fix it. Vinatieri is the most clutch kicker I can remember, and Vanderjagt may be a drunk, but he is the most accurate kicker in NFL history. But I guess stockpiling wide receivers and running backs who are never going to touch the ball was the more sensible thing to do.

Actually I think he is doing his best to remove himself from that position in the record books. :)

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Actually I think he is doing his best to remove himself from that position in the record books. :)
Yeah, I guess that's true..not that it makes our pitiful kicking situation any better...

[akhhorus]

does he not have both substance and psychiatric issues ? (he uses 'roids and is crazy as a bedbug...) that might be a reason for some teams shying away.. also he used to command a pretty hefty salary..

Suspended twice for roids I believe. And has had a ton of problems with teammates.

[NCskinsfanatic]

I really could not care less about John Hall as a person. He only interests me because he is the kicker of the Washington Redskins. And if he wants to come back, he can be my gardner for 5 bucks an hour. At least then he will be earning his pay.

Edit: he can walk my dog if he wants too as well. But my dog weighs about 150 pounds. I don't know if Hall's legs are strong enough...


Ok so Spicy does not Like hall...lol. I don't know him but he has seemed decent enough in interviews, he seemed to rehab hard, especially this offseason and takes the blame on himself rather than deflect criticizm or blame the injury, maybe I'm crazy but to an extent I do care about the guys on the team. Especially if they have heart and want to be here. I'm ready to move on to a much more reliable kicking situation don't get me wrong , Frost is young and has settled down as our P...let's just hope that we make a good choice at the K position, he can stick for awhile and he has the ability to kick off. Settling with hall on his injury should also save us a few cap dollars, i would think.

[BurgundyNGold]

Ok so Spicy does not Like hall...lol. I don't know him but he has seemed decent enough in interviews, he seemed to rehab hard, especially this offseason and takes the blame on himself rather than deflect criticizm or blame the injury, maybe I'm crazy but to an extent I do care about the guys on the team. Especially if they have heart and want to be here. I'm ready to move on to a much more reliable kicking situation don't get me wrong , Frost is young and has settled down as our P...let's just hope that we make a good choice at the K position, he can stick for awhile and he has the ability to kick off. Settling with hall on his injury should also save us a few cap dollars, i would think.
Hall's a nice guy but his 15 minutes are up here in DC. Time to look at Novak or Edinger.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Ok so Spicy does not Like hall...lol. I don't know him but he has seemed decent enough in interviews, he seemed to rehab hard, especially this offseason and takes the blame on himself rather than deflect criticizm or blame the injury, maybe I'm crazy but to an extent I do care about the guys on the team. Especially if they have heart and want to be here. I'm ready to move on to a much more reliable kicking situation don't get me wrong , Frost is young and has settled down as our P...let's just hope that we make a good choice at the K position, he can stick for awhile and he has the ability to kick off. Settling with hall on his injury should also save us a few cap dollars, i would think.
I'm sorry if that came out a bit harsh..lol..I don't dislike Hall, not at all..but really, this situation is absurd. I have no idea how the front offfice did not realize that it was time to look for somebody else...I'm probably more angry at them then at Hall himself...

[ryflan47]

5 games into the season and you're tired?

What has he been doing this offseason? Studying insomnia??

[HAWGZHEAD]

What exactly is the injury? I am not buying it, Hall just got cut the nice way.

[NCskinsfanatic]

I'm sorry if that came out a bit harsh..lol..I don't dislike Hall, not at all..but really, this situation is absurd. I have no idea how the front offfice did not realize that it was time to look for somebody else...I'm probably more angry at them then at Hall himself...

No offense taken Spicy..I was just being my normal sarcastic self...lol. You get what I'm saying I'm sure and I actually do agree with you, it's time for a change, I just hope we make a wise decision now so it's not a huge concern this offseason. This should probably have been dealt with this offseason and because of Halls character and commitment I'm sure Gibbs wanted to believe that it would all be fine based on the info from docs, his opinion, etc.

[NCskinsfanatic]

What exactly is the injury? I am not buying it, Hall just got cut the nice way.
Yet another injury to his right quad...

[SpicyMcHaggis]

No offense taken Spicy..I was just being my normal sarcastic self...lol. You get what I'm saying I'm sure and I actually do agree with you, it's time for a change, I just hope we make a wise decision now so it's not a huge concern this offseason. This should probably have been dealt with this offseason and because of Halls character and commitment I'm sure Gibbs wanted to believe that it would all be fine based on the info from docs, his opinion, etc.
Yeah, we're on the same page here..the problem is that during the offseason there were many possible solutions..but now there are very few, and all with question marks. I really hope we are able to find somebody (Novak? Edinger?) who takes over the position for quite a few years, but if these guys are available right now, there must be a reason...

[HAWGZHEAD]

Yet another injury to his right quad...Oh. I didn't see anywhere in the article where they mentioned a specific injury. I need to go re-read.


Edit:http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/8687/cartmanretardedresizedco6.jpg Durrrrr, 2nd paragraph and in the original post by BnG lol

[redskin_rich]

Yet another injury to his right quad...
Hall had the same surgery that Springs just had. Not to be an alarmist but should we expect Springs to struggle with these groin injuries for the rest of his career?

[BurgundyNGold]

Hall had the same surgery that Springs just had. Not to be an alarmist but should we expect Springs to struggle with these groin injuries for the rest of his career?
I said it a while ago that I think this might be the beginning of the end for Springs. Looking for him to return to save the day is fool's gold. He is a very good corner, but GW had better not only figure out how to win without him but how to be a top 10 defense again without him and quick.

[Slobberknocker]

Does anybody else remember Springs saying something like, "How many players return the same year from a sports hernia?" I hadn't heard it described by anybody as a 'sports hernia' till then...

If that's the case, why aren't we looking at corners too??? I love our team, but sometimes I wish we were proactive like the Patriots. It can certainly be cruel, but they draft like mad and have a knack for finding the right guys to plug leaky holes.

I mean, 4-1 with those WRs... are you kidding me? And the kid they drafted to kick field goals has a great leg...

OK, back to topic: we don't need to wait until free agency to address our needs. Gibbsy's strength is loyalty, but it can also be a weakness.

We need to 1) sign and keep our good players and 2) make proactive moves before they turn into glaring/debilitating problems.

I'm off my horse now. But oooooooooooh, I'm so riled up from losing so badly this weekend when we had a great shot at going 4-2 and being in the thick of the division race!!!

The Gints moved into 2nd. That just slays me.

[Biggie]

I said it a while ago that I think this might be the beginning of the end for Springs. Looking for him to return to save the day is fool's gold. He is a very good corner, but GW had better not only figure out how to win without him but how to be a top 10 defense again without him and quick.

We're not built to be a Top 10 defense without him. We don't get enough pressure, don't get good coverage out of our other DBs and have a safety who's basically an undersized linebacker (Arch).

[BurgundyNGold]

We're not built to be a Top 10 defense without him. We don't get enough pressure, don't get good coverage out of our other DBs and have a safety who's basically an undersized linebacker (Arch).
Well, if GW is the defensive guru that everyone makes him out to be -- including me -- then he should be able to come up with something. Otherwise, he's just a one trick pony, isn't he?

[shally]

Hall had the same surgery that Springs just had. Not to be an alarmist but should we expect Springs to struggle with these groin injuries for the rest of his career?

only if he is expected to kick fg's and extra points...
:lol1:

[shally]

Does anybody else remember Springs saying something like, "How many players return the same year from a sports hernia?" I hadn't heard it described by anybody as a 'sports hernia' till then...

If that's the case, why aren't we looking at corners too??? I love our team, but sometimes I wish we were proactive like the Patriots. It can certainly be cruel, but they draft like mad and have a knack for finding the right guys to plug leaky holes.

I mean, 4-1 with those WRs... are you kidding me? And the kid they drafted to kick field goals has a great leg...

OK, back to topic: we don't need to wait until free agency to address our needs. Gibbsy's strength is loyalty, but it can also be a weakness.

We need to 1) sign and keep our good players and 2) make proactive moves before they turn into glaring/debilitating problems.

I'm off my horse now. But oooooooooooh, I'm so riled up from losing so badly this weekend when we had a great shot at going 4-2 and being in the thick of the division race!!!

The Gints moved into 2nd. That just slays me.

the pats are desparately searching for receivers.. trading them patten should be a gift from heaven for them..

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

only if he is expected to kick fg's and extra points...
:lol1:
As long as we have him on the field, lol

[HAWGZHEAD]

the pats are desparately searching for receivers.. trading them patten should be a gift from heaven for them..That would work out nicely, I'll take it.

[Slobberknocker]

the pats are desparately searching for receivers.. trading them patten should be a gift from heaven for them..

The Pats have 2 first-round picks next year. Amazing how the rich keep getting richer.

They can have Patten for the low, low, low price of Asante Samuel. Hello, Mr. Kraft?

[akhhorus]

The Pats have 2 first-round picks next year. Amazing how the rich keep getting richer.

They can have Patten for the low, low, low price of Asante Samuel. Hello, Mr. Kraft?

I wouldn't be shocked if one of those ends up as Randy Moss or Jerry Porter.

[BurgundyNGold]

I wouldn't be shocked if one of those ends up as Randy Moss or Jerry Porter.
I wouldn't give a first rounder for either of those cancers.

[akhhorus]

I wouldn't give a first rounder for either of those cancers.

well, one of them(or both) will be a low first, i might do it if I was them.

[Slobberknocker]

They signed Jabar Gaffney. All problems solved! :rolleyes:

[dabro]

says volumes about how the team views patten's future.. and what they think of duckett's prowess.. tell me again why we traded for him ??
To keep the Eagles from getting him.

[redwolf1218]

That doesn't seem like very many kicks for a tryout. I guess maybe they have seen these guys before, but I would think a K attempts at least double that amount each practice. Maybe I am way off in that assumption.
10 to 12 kicks each is plenty. we wouldnt want them to get a tired leg would we? :rolleyes:

[BurgundyNGold]

To keep the Eagles from getting him.
Where did you read that? I have yet to read a credible source about the Iggles rumor. Pittsburgh was well documented, but not Philly. I'm not merely being incredulous to you on this, Duckett is a terrible fit for a WCO -- especially on that passes twice for every run.

[akhhorus]

Where did you read that? I have yet to read a credible source about the Iggles rumor. Pittsburgh was well documented, but not Philly. I'm not merely being incredulous to you on this, Duckett is a terrible fit for a WCO -- especially on that passes twice for every run.

Yeah, Pittsburgh I buy. But there's no reason for us to care about what Pittsburgh does. I think that there's a possibility they got bad news about Portis' shoulder and make the move thinking he would miss 6-10 weeks or something.

[redwolf1218]

Where did you read that? I have yet to read a credible source about the Iggles rumor. Pittsburgh was well documented, but not Philly. I'm not merely being incredulous to you on this, Duckett is a terrible fit for a WCO -- especially on that passes twice for every run.
i remember someone here said they heard it on a radio show.

[BurgundyNGold]

Yeah, Pittsburgh I buy. But there's no reason for us to care about what Pittsburgh does. I think that there's a possibility they got bad news about Portis' shoulder and make the move thinking he would miss 6-10 weeks or something.
I think that's the most likely scenario. Especially with this FO. They've got a quick trigger finger.

[akhhorus]

I think that's the most likely scenario. Especially with this FO. They've got a quick trigger finger.

Well, I think Betts is leaving at the end of the season anyways, the key will be convincing Duckett to stay. If he stays and splots time with Portis, then it was a good deal. Right now, since he's not playing, it looks like a waste. But I don't see them making a panic deal like this, unless they knew portis would be out for several weeks.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

good. i didnt trust hall much anyway. i hope novak wins the job, but may the may the best man win.

[redwolf1218]

Well, I think Betts is leaving at the end of the season anyways, the key will be convincing Duckett to stay. If he stays and splots time with Portis, then it was a good deal. Right now, since he's not playing, it looks like a waste. But I don't see them making a panic deal like this, unless they knew portis would be out for several weeks.
Rock got a new 4-year deal, so he stays, for whatever reason. i guess to return kicks. Duckett and Betts are both up for review. i agree that Betts leaves, and Duckett gets resigned, at least i am hoping so. i still think Duckett will pay huge dividends for us before this season is over with.

[shally]

I think that's the most likely scenario. Especially with this FO. They've got a quick trigger finger.

i think that is likely closest to the mark... they feared a season ending injury

[shally]

Rock got a new 4-year deal, so he stays, for whatever reason. i guess to return kicks. Duckett and Betts are both up for review. i agree that Betts leaves, and Duckett gets resigned, at least i am hoping so. i still think Duckett will pay huge dividends for us before this season is over with.

i keep hoping for that.. but without getting on the field i do not see how it will happen..

[redwolf1218]

anyways, it's hard to believe they would sign Duckett just to block the Eagles from getting him. that would kind of say that the injury to Portis' shoulder at that same time was just a timing-coincidence. i think it speaks to the lack of faith the coaches had at that time in all the other running backs we had at that time.

[redwolf1218]

i keep hoping for that.. but without getting on the field i do not see how it will happen..
do you think Portis, Betts and Rock will never miss a single game due to injury this entire season? that's the angle i'm coming from. few players go the whole season without getting hurt, so when someone goes down, Duckett will step in, or maybe he is just eventually too good to keep under wraps and they have to deactivate someone to get him in the game.

[shally]

anyways, it's hard to believe they would sign Duckett just to block the Eagles from getting him. that would kind of say that the injury to Portis' shoulder at that same time was just a timing-coincidence. i think it speaks to the lack of faith the coaches had at that time in all the other running backs we had at that time.

and rightly so.. why would anyone feel that betts or rock could provide stable running year long..

[redwolf1218]

and rightly so.. why would anyone feel that betts or rock could provide stable running year long..
i think at that time we also has a few other guys (Nemo?) who were eventually cut.

[dabro]

Where did you read that? I have yet to read a credible source about the Iggles rumor. Pittsburgh was well documented, but not Philly. I'm not merely being incredulous to you on this, Duckett is a terrible fit for a WCO -- especially on that passes twice for every run.READ? I can't READ! No, I heard them conjecturing it on AM 980 this morning. They haven't used him since Dallass, so it sounds as good a reason as anything else I've heard.

[akhhorus]

READ? I can't READ! No, I heard them conjecturing it on AM 980 this morning. They haven't used him since Dallass, so it sounds as good a reason as anything else I've heard.

Thats just sports radio speculation. Not anything substantial.

[BurgundyNGold]

READ? I can't READ! No, I heard them conjecturing it on AM 980 this morning. They haven't used him since Dallass, so it sounds as good a reason as anything else I've heard.
Oh, OK. The reason why I asked is because some tool over on Orangemane tried to say that when the deal went down. He couldn't produce anything about it at the time and I've never gotten any resolution on that. Somehow, that rumor persists though. IMO, you'd be hard pressed to find a team that is a worse fit for Duckett than Philly. Maybe Atlanta, lol.

[skins111111]

the tital scared me-------so he will be kicking xtra pts and field goals.....
I have him in 2 FF leagues

[redwolf1218]

the tital scared me-------so he will be kicking xtra pts and field goals.....
I have him in 2 FF leagues
are you talking about Hall? i dont think he will be kicking anything on injured reserve. i think he will be replaced with a new kicker tomorrow afternoon, probably Novak.

[Skins57]

I am more than ready to see Hall go, for 2 years now, never liked him when he came from the Jets. I know everytime he gets a chance at a clutch kick he will screw it up

[ryflan47]

are you talking about Hall? i dont think he will be kicking anything on injured reserve. i think he will be replaced with a new kicker tomorrow afternoon, probably Novak.

Hmmmm
Would be interesting.

[shally]

Hmmmm
Would be interesting.

if he is NOT it will say far more about his competition than about him... and about what is still out there as a possible replacement..

[silverspring]

To keep the Eagles from getting him.

I already think this was one of the most wasteful uses of a 3rd round pick, if we actually made this trade to block the eagles from getting him i would be aghast. That is just playing scared. But i can't conceive of that having any truth behind it. I would be happy to trade him to the eagles now for a 4th round pick.

[shally]

I already think this was one of the most wasteful uses of a 3rd round pick, if we actually made this trade to block the eagles from getting him i would be aghast. That is just playing scared. But i can't conceive of that having any truth behind it. I would be happy to trade him to the eagles now for a 4th round pick.

at 4-1 the eagles are doing just fine, thank you...

[shally]

the post is reporting that among the friendly smiling faces at redskin park tomorrow will be...

novak
peterson
tyler jones
ola kimrin (did anyone know he is already 34 ??)
plus one more mystery kicker.. you think vinatieri has a twin brother somwhere??

everybody gets 10-12 kicks with the winner taking all... i guess someone who can handle that kind of pressure should be able to handle kicking in the nfl... it should be an interesting day...

[WorldBFree76]

I hope Novak wins...

[shally]

I hope Novak wins...

i just hope whoever wins it solves the skins kicking problems for the year, at the very least...

[bwparker]

I've been a big Hall supporter. I still back him for fighting through injuries and playing strongly considering. But if he is injured AGAIN this year, we need to look elsewhere. 3 straight years of injuries from a kicker is more than any team should tolerate.

I haven't heard all the details, so I'm not advocating cutting him yet. But I'm seriously leery at this point.

[MONK_in_HOF]

the post is reporting that among the friendly smiling faces at redskin park tomorrow will be...

novak
peterson
tyler jones
ola kimrin (did anyone know he is already 34 ??)
plus one more mystery kicker.. you think vinatieri has a twin brother somwhere??

everybody gets 10-12 kicks with the winner taking all... i guess someone who can handle that kind of pressure should be able to handle kicking in the nfl... it should be an interesting day...

I am hoping either Novak or Peterson wins out and assume it will be one of the 2. Comcast sportsnet reported last night that one of the kickers would be Jose Cortez :imshock: I would rather have an injured Hall.

[shally]

I am hoping either Novak or Peterson wins out and assume it will be one of the 2. Comcast sportsnet reported last night that one of the kickers would be Jose Cortez :imshock: I would rather have an injured Hall.

cortez ?

man, they have really set the entry bar low...is eddie murray around somewhere?
:lol1:

[smoak]

Bye, bye Johnnie.

I've officially turned the page on Hall, and I'm looking forward to our new kicker.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

I am hoping either Novak or Peterson wins out and assume it will be one of the 2. Comcast sportsnet reported last night that one of the kickers would be Jose Cortez :imshock: I would rather have an injured Hall.
Jose Cortez?? Really? Good god...listen, I can assure you I know quite a few amateur soccer players around here that would be better at kicking any kind of ball towards a target than Cortez...

[shally]

Jose Cortez?? Really? Good god...listen, I can assure you I know quite a few amateur soccer players around here that would be better at kicking any kind of ball towards a target than Cortez...

i wonder why they even invited him ?

[SpicyMcHaggis]

i wonder why they even invited him ?
Seriously, I have no idea...lots of confusion this year at Redskins Park...

[MONK_in_HOF]

i wonder why they even invited him ?
He has been brought in before, as have several of these guys.

[smoot]

i wonder why they even invited him ?
name recognition? :whoknows:

and as for amatuer soccer players go, spicy, you've officially inspired me, im headed up there right now to go tryout. i'd put money i can outkick cortez

[Dolla Bill]

i wonder why they even invited him ?


To put pressure on the other kickers to be honest. Competition breeds excellence.

[shally]

He has been brought in before, as have several of these guys.

i still wonder to what purpose ? he has failed everywhere he has kicked before this. what happens if he has a career day today ? do they actually sign him ? i think it just confuses things..

[SpicyMcHaggis]

name recognition? :whoknows:

and as for amatuer soccer players go, spicy, you've officially inspired me, im headed up there right now to go tryout. i'd put money i can outkick cortez
If you make it, I'm your agent. And you should then immediately hold out until they give you at least 3 years at 2 million a year. And I take 15%.

[shally]

To put pressure on the other kickers to be honest. Competition breeds excellence.

in that case, Lord have mercy.. !!!!

[shally]

If you make it, I'm your agent. And you should then immediately hold out until they give you at least 3 years at 2 million a year. And I take 15%.

ahhhh.. the third poston brother...
:lol1:

[SpicyMcHaggis]

ahhhh.. the third poston brother...
:lol1:
Actually I thought I was being quite reasonable...and we would have all the leverage in the world..they would HAVE to get smoot signed by Sunday..

[Dolla Bill]

in that case, Lord have mercy.. !!!!


Yes, yes indeed. May the Lord have mercy on the Skins faithful. To be honest, out of 'em all, I hope Novak gets it.

Edit: If it was Hall in the contest, he would have a tired leg by the 6th try.

[MONK_in_HOF]

i still wonder to what purpose ? he has failed everywhere he has kicked before this. what happens if he has a career day today ? do they actually sign him ? i think it just confuses things..
I agree. Actually I vaguely remember Cortez being our K for a little while. However I am not sure, b/c if he was I think I have tried to permanently extract that memory from my brain.

My guess is they sign the vet Peterson, unless he just has a dreadful day.

[shally]

Actually I thought I was being quite reasonable...and we would have all the leverage in the world..they would HAVE to get smoot signed by Sunday..

are you working for the north koreans as well??

[shally]

I agree. Actually I vaguely remember Cortez being our K for a little while. However I am not sure, b/c if he was I think I have tried to permanently extract that memory from my brain.

My guess is they sign the vet Peterson, unless he just has a dreadful day.

yes, i believe cortez had a cup of coffee before as well.

given gibbs atitude i would favor peterson as well.. another short term solution in that case... but hopefully a good one for that time

[SpicyMcHaggis]

are you working for the north koreans as well??
Hey, I'm just trying to what's best for my client...

[smoot]

If you make it, I'm your agent. And you should then immediately hold out until they give you at least 3 years at 2 million a year. And I take 15%.
you lost me.......why in the world would i have to hold out? its a lock that i'll be offered at least 5 million a year over 50 years, all in the signing bonus, simply because thats what snyder does. did i mention that it'll only be a cap hit of 100k?

[CNYSkinFan]

do you think Portis, Betts and Rock will never miss a single game due to injury this entire season? that's the angle i'm coming from. few players go the whole season without getting hurt, so when someone goes down, Duckett will step in, or maybe he is just eventually too good to keep under wraps and they have to deactivate someone to get him in the game.
again I don't see how giving up a 3rd round pick for a 3rd or 4th string tailback equates to a good deal....but that is just me.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

you lost me.......why in the world would i have to hold out? its a lock that i'll be offered at least 5 million a year over 50 years, all in the signing bonus, simply because thats what snyder does. did i mention that it'll only be a cap hit of 100k?
See, that's the problem..50 years is WAY too much..what if you kick the winning FG in the Super Bowl? Then you should automatically become a free agent. It all about the clauses my friend...

[RedskinRyan]

right now, im wishing we'd sign novak over peterson, but whoever wins the job will deserve it. novak is more of a long-term solution over hall though, so thats why i want him to win.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

again I don't see how giving up a 3rd round pick for a 3rd or 4th string tailback equates to a good deal....but that is just me.
...and me.

[shally]

right now, im wishing we'd sign novak over peterson, but whoever wins the job will deserve it. novak is more of a long-term solution over hall though, so thats why i want him to win.

lot of wisdom in that statement.. it would be great to see the kickers job settled for 5 years...

[CNYSkinFan]

I want Novak to come back and kick the snot out of the ball. I think soem around here did not appreciate when I lamented losing him last year and wondered why we did not bring in REAL competition for Hall (and Frost for that matter) this year. I had hopes for Hall to get beyond the injury bug but his kicks never looked good this year. It is time for the Redskins to move on and save some Salary cap space next year.

[Redskin4Life]

What about Paul Edinger? Isn't he available too?

Honestly, I hope it's Tyler Jones... we had him in here this summer. He was good enough to be here as real competition for Hall and MYSTERIOUSLY wasn't allowed an opportunity to kick a FG in the preseason. I think the reason he wasn't allowed to had nothing to do with Jones as a kicker but more of the coaching staff showing support in Hall. Jones probably is the diamond in the rough we've been looking for at kicker....

[Redskin4Life]

What about Paul Edinger? Isn't he available too?

Honestly, I hope it's Tyler Jones... we had him in here this summer. He was good enough to be here as real competition for Hall and MYSTERIOUSLY wasn't allowed an opportunity to kick a FG in the preseason. I think the reason he wasn't allowed to had nothing to do with Jones as a kicker but more of the coaching staff showing support in Hall. Jones probably is the diamond in the rough we've been looking for at kicker....
Also the staff probably didn't want anyone outside of the team to see how good Jones is compared to Hall, especially since the team wanted Hall to succeed.

[Red Bear]

i hope we bring back nick novak, i thought we should of kept him last season and put hall on IR or sent him packing. peterson is 36 years old, i dont want another old kicker whose gonna have a bum leg soon, i hope they go with novak

[MONK_in_HOF]

So if we do sign a K today, as it appears we will, is Hall the man that will be cut? Or will they cut a Boschetti and keep Hall in case the signee does poorly?

[Redskinfan28]

Novak, Novak, Novak....

[3644Skins]

Novak, Novak, Novak....

Nick, Nick, Nick!!!

[3644Skins]

Novak, Novak, Novak....

Nick, Nick, Nick!!!

[hail2skins]

Will Hall go on IR, get cut, or will they carry two kickers til he's healthy?I just don't see him getting healthy. Cut him

[CNYSkinFan]

I just don't see him getting healthy. Cut him
Can't cut an injured player. They can put him on IR, sign a relatively cheap kicker like Novak, and then cut him next off season.

[shally]

So if we do sign a K today, as it appears we will, is Hall the man that will be cut? Or will they cut a Boschetti and keep Hall in case the signee does poorly?

hall is gone..

[shally]

Can't cut an injured player. They can put him on IR, sign a relatively cheap kicker like Novak, and then cut him next off season.

or reach an injury settlement.. which would allow him to find work later this year if he heals and someone is desperate enough

[CNYSkinFan]

or reach an injury settlement.. which would allow him to find work later this year if he heals and someone is desperate enough
true but with Hall's copntract it would be detrimental to him financially to do that. Usually injury settlements are for thoise hurt on minimum salary in training camp...not for expensive vets.

[shally]

true but with Hall's copntract it would be detrimental to him financially to do that. Usually injury settlements are for thoise hurt on minimum salary in training camp...not for expensive vets.

hall is guaranteed his salary for this year one way or the other... if he gets signed with anyone else after the waiting period for injury ( ?? 6 weeks ??) it is found money for him.. he loses nothing or has to give back nothing.. if he is healthy, why would he not want to work ??

[CNYSkinFan]

hall is guaranteed his salary for this year one way or the other... if he gets signed with anyone else after the waiting period for injury ( ?? 6 weeks ??) it is found money for him.. he loses nothing or has to give back nothing.. if he is healthy, why would he not want to work ??
Because then he can sign somewhere in the off season with a decent SB and still get this year's salary. Also if the Redskins cut/settle him they will get an immediate escalation of his SB for this year.

[Redskin4Life]

We still have 4Mil in cap space, right? I would think that would be the best situ for us... cut him loose now, take the cap hit this year and use the over 1.5M savings from Hall towards another position of need... CB, blocking TE, DE, OLine.

[shally]

We still have 4Mil in cap space, right? I would think that would be the best situ for us... cut him loose now, take the cap hit this year and use the over 1.5M savings from Hall towards another position of need... CB, blocking TE, DE, OLine.


i thought it was about 1.5 mil ? anyone know the actual figure?

[Skaggsrules]

I hope we worked out Connor Hughes, that kid is money in the clutch

[Redskin4Life]

Any word from Redskin Park about the kicking tryouts??

[Redskin4Life]

According to Warpath, John Hall gives us a 1.035M SAVINGS if we cut him (1.5 salary, 0.465 prorated SB). We get a savings of 1.5M to the cap next year...

PC's Washington Redskins Salary Cap Pages - SAVINGS
(http://www.skinsfans.com/pcinoz/Cut_Trade_Savings.htm)
I say, "Thanks for the good kicks while you were here, John. Good luck on your new team."

[BurgundyNGold]

According to Warpath, John Hall gives us a 1.035M SAVINGS if we cut him (1.5 salary, 0.465 prorated SB). We get a savings of 1.5M to the cap next year...

PC's Washington Redskins Salary Cap Pages - SAVINGS
(http://www.skinsfans.com/pcinoz/Cut_Trade_Savings.htm)
I say, "Thanks for the good kicks while you were here, John. Good luck on your new team."
New team? I've only got one thing to say to Hall. Anybody want to guess what it is? Akh?

[Dolla Bill]

New team? I've only got one thing to say to Hall. Anybody want to guess what it is? Akh?


I'll bite, what is it? :D

[NCskinsfanatic]

Any word from Redskin Park about the kicking tryouts??
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/09/AR2006100900863.html

Didn't see this posted... it atleast tells who were looking at, decent bunch IMO.

[MONK_in_HOF]

New team? I've only got one thing to say to Hall. Anybody want to guess what it is? Akh?

Will there be supplemental visual aides?? :D

[akhhorus]

New team? I've only got one thing to say to Hall. Anybody want to guess what it is? Akh?

You're DONE son! YOU'RE DONE!!!!!!!!

[helimech24]

You're DONE son! YOU'RE DONE!!!!!!!!Bring in Nick, Bring in Nick, Bring in Nick!!!

[akhhorus]

We still have 4Mil in cap space, right? I would think that would be the best situ for us... cut him loose now, take the cap hit this year and use the over 1.5M savings from Hall towards another position of need... CB, blocking TE, DE, OLine.

I seriously doubt that cutting Hall and signing some waiver wire player will suddenly kick things into high gear for us. Deion sanders ain't coming off the bench for us, Julius Peppers ain't walking through that door. How bout we all stop thinking of what we don't have and start thinking about how we can get what we do have to play better.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

I seriously doubt that cutting Hall and signing some waiver wire player will suddenly kick things into high gear for us. Deion sanders ain't coming off the bench for us, Julius Peppers ain't walking through that door. How bout we all stop thinking of what we don't have and start thinking about how we can get what we do have to play better.
You just crushed my hopes and dreams. Thanks alot. (But then who the hell was that guy with the huge ears that just walked through that door? Mmmhhh....)

[Redskin4Life]

I seriously doubt that cutting Hall and signing some waiver wire player will suddenly kick things into high gear for us. Deion sanders ain't coming off the bench for us, Julius Peppers ain't walking through that door. How bout we all stop thinking of what we don't have and start thinking about how we can get what we do have to play better.
Sorry, I guess I wasn't clear. I was referring to the savings in cap for NEXT YEAR by cutting Hall now and taking the cap hit this year.

I'm not going to kid myself into thinking that getting rid of Hall is going to fix our team's woes. Springs on the other hand.....

[helimech24]

I seriously doubt that cutting Hall and signing some waiver wire player will suddenly kick things into high gear for us. Deion sanders ain't coming off the bench for us, Julius Peppers ain't walking through that door. How bout we all stop thinking of what we don't have and start thinking about how we can get what we do have to play better.Yeah, lets start at the both lines. There is no reason why neither can play well. On defense, they need to get some kinda pass rush without blitzing 2 LBs or Arch. And on offense, BLOCK DAMMIT!!

[Dolla Bill]

I seriously doubt that cutting Hall and signing some waiver wire player will suddenly kick things into high gear for us. Deion sanders ain't coming off the bench for us, Julius Peppers ain't walking through that door. How bout we all stop thinking of what we don't have and start thinking about how we can get what we do have to play better.


But at the same time Akh, when it comes to Hall, something has to be done soon. We suffer on KO, and everyone has 911 on speed dial when he comes out to attempt a kick. It just seems that he cannot make the crucial kick when it counts. When there is alot of pressure, it never has been pretty. Novak, I believe was a rookie last year, kicked 2 very crucial FG at the end of games. (I could be wrong, and I might be.)

[helimech24]

But at the same time Akh, when it comes to Hall, something has to be done soon. We suffer on KO, and everyone has 911 on speed dial when he comes out to attempt a kick. It just seems that he cannot make the crucial kick when it counts. When there is alot of pressure, it never has been pretty. Novak, I believe was a rookie last year, kicked 2 very crucial FG at the end of games. (I could be wrong, and I might be.)He is in his 3rd year now.

[Dolla Bill]

He is in his 3rd year now.


I told you I was wrong :D

[akhhorus]

You just crushed my hopes and dreams. Thanks alot. (But then who the hell was that guy with the huge ears that just walked through that door? Mmmhhh....)

Look at your sig. :D

But at the same time Akh, when it comes to Hall, something has to be done soon. We suffer on KO, and everyone has 911 on speed dial when he comes out to attempt a kick. It just seems that he cannot make the crucial kick when it counts. When there is alot of pressure, it never has been pretty. Novak, I believe was a rookie last year, kicked 2 very crucial FG at the end of games. (I could be wrong, and I might be.)

But Novak doesn't have much of a leg if memory serves from last year. He is an accurate kicker, but his kickoffs were short also.

[Redskin4Life]

But at the same time Akh, when it comes to Hall, something has to be done soon. We suffer on KO, and everyone has 911 on speed dial when he comes out to attempt a kick. It just seems that he cannot make the crucial kick when it counts. When there is alot of pressure, it never has been pretty. Novak, I believe was a rookie last year, kicked 2 very crucial FG at the end of games. (I could be wrong, and I might be.)
What about Tyler Jones??? I read so much stuff about how great he was kicking against Hall and that we would keep Jones as the kickoff specialist. If he's got the leg and better accuracy than Hall, let's go with the rookie...

[Redskin4Life]

But Novak doesn't have much of a leg if memory serves from last year. He is an accurate kicker, but his kickoffs were short also.

Yea, didn't Novak have one of his 40+ yard FG attempts blocked cause he kicked it too flat???

[Dolla Bill]

But Novak doesn't have much of a leg if memory serves from last year. He is an accurate kicker, but his kickoffs were short also.


I believe that was by design by Danny Smith to allow Novak to kick high, it allowed the return team to get down the field by the time the KR gets 3-4 steps.

[BurgundyNGold]

You're DONE son! YOU'RE DONE!!!!!!!!
LOL, yep, that's it. :D

[Red Bear]

Yea, didn't Novak have one of his 40+ yard FG attempts blocked cause he kicked it too flat???

i swear i recall both of novaks blocked kicks being more of a breakdown in the line/protection than him kicking too low. as i recall the defense got pretty good push against both of those. also blocked kicks are becoming more and more frequent in the nfl it seems

[Redskin4Life]

i swear i recall both of novaks blocked kicks being more of a breakdown in the line/protection than him kicking too low. as i recall the defense got pretty good push against both of those. also blocked kicks are becoming more and more frequent in the nfl it seems
I remember it being a combination of both... the argument around this forum was very "chicken-egg" on those blocked kicks. Of course, my opinion is if he had the leg, he wouldn't have kicked the ball so low...

Who cares... he's our kicker now and I'll support him throughout the season.