Solution to punting problem?

[MWballer]

Paul Ernster: http://nfl.com/players/playerpage/552497

I know I know like the rest of you I'm also tired of John Halls kicking problems and wish kickers were falling from the sky but hey guys it does look like punters are falling from the sky.

As I sit and watch MNF and continually here the announcers talk about Ernster probally getting released when Sauerbron is off suspension and watch Ernster have a gr8 night and continually watch him have a much better punting night and season than D. Frost is having. I can't help but wonder is he the solution to our punting problem? I think we should definetly give him a look especially seeing as he can KO too...

What do the rest of yall think?

[redwolf1218]

where's Lonie? could he possibly shank more than Frost?

[Axegrinder]

But can he kick off and be the holder too?

[LuvSkins17]

Uhh... Laces Out!!!!!

[shally]

But can he kick off and be the holder too?

gibbs is not parting with frost this season.. not unless he is far worse than his current level of production..

[silverspring]

Looks like he does kick off as well, i wonder if he can coach special teams too?

[shally]

Looks like he does kick off as well, i wonder if he can coach special teams too?

the kicker the skins sign to replace hall will handle the kicking off, not the punter.. bet on it..

[EZCUSE]

I mean this guy is a Pro Bowl punter. Every year we complain about not having a punter and how in the NFC East field position is a major key to the game. I think we sign him so we don't have to worry about our punting problems again. Yes... Frost has done well for us this season, but Sauerbrun is too good to pass up on.

[Redskin4Life]

I mean this guy is a Pro Bowl punter. Every year we complain about not having a punter and how in the NFC East field position is a major key to the game. I think we sign him so we don't have to worry about our punting problems again. Yes... Frost has done well for us this season, but Sauerbrun is too good to pass up on.
He used steroids and is one drug-related incident away from being suspended for a year.... next.

[Dolla Bill]

He used steroids and is one drug-related incident away from being suspended for a year.... next.


Even if he comes up positive, i'm sure Frost would still be available ;)

[Keino]

I have the sure way to solve the Punting Problem, and it doesn't involve any more acquisitions:

Convert on 3rd Down!!!
at least until you get into FG range.......(I have no solutions for that little problem)

[EZCUSE]

He used steroids and is one drug-related incident away from being suspended for a year.... next.

As we all know, the NFL is all about taking risks and seeing if they pay off. i.e. Giving up one of the best cover corners in the league (although I don't buy it) for a franchise running back in Portis.

You need take risks in this league... I bet you if we blitzed Eli more with our safties the game would have been more competitive... yeah our corners would be put on an island... but they still got beat.

I think the Skins should at least bring Sauerbrun in for some kicks to see how he does.

[Dolla Bill]

I have the sure way to solve the Punting Problem, and it doesn't involve any more acquisitions:

Convert on 3rd Down!!!
at least until you get into FG range.......(I have no solutions for that little problem)


I adopt this post as my own. Great call Keino.

[Redskinfan28]

Are you talking about Sauerbrun? If so, I say we sign him. He can crush the ball - one of the best in the league.

[oldskinfan]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2619596

I love this Shanahan quote about Sauerbrun supposedly taking ephedra:

"He's the only guy on the team which I don't care if he's fat. I don't care if he's 30 pounds overweight," he said. "All you've got to do is punt the ball. Kick it into the end zone."

[silverspring]

We really need to at least consider this opportunity, there will not be another punter available this time of year that has any decent credentials.

[skinsfan36]

we worked out sean landetta today per the washington post. better alternative since sauerbrun gets in trouble with roids.

[MONK_in_HOF]

The good thing is if Lendetta was in they are at least open to viewing their options at P. I would like to bring Sauerbrun in, why not. I can't see how a P could be that much of a locker room disruption. Plus I am pretty sure he could add some distance to KOs. Not sure who would hold if he came in, but I think Collins has done this before.

[santanadasavior]

I honestly don't think that Frost is doing that poorly. He hasn't hit too many bad punts this year and he hit 8 for an average of 51.8 or something against Dallas, simply amazing. That is consistent and far, he obviously has not been that throughout the season but he is close (44.1). 44.1 per punt is pretty good if you ask me. I like him here and I don't think Gibbs is going to replace him.

[shally]

I honestly don't think that Frost is doing that poorly. He hasn't hit too many bad punts this year and he hit 8 for an average of 51.8 or something against Dallas, simply amazing. That is consistent and far, he obviously has not been that throughout the season but he is close (44.1). 44.1 per punt is pretty good if you ask me. I like him here and I don't think Gibbs is going to replace him.

the last time landeta shanked a punt, frost wasn't even born.. he would be the second coming of tom tupa.. might not have the greatest length any more, but he is a pro's pro and he has kicked in every imaginable situation over a career.. nothing will faze him

[redskin_rich]

I honestly don't think that Frost is doing that poorly. He hasn't hit too many bad punts this year and he hit 8 for an average of 51.8 or something against Dallas, simply amazing. That is consistent and far, he obviously has not been that throughout the season but he is close (44.1). 44.1 per punt is pretty good if you ask me. I like him here and I don't think Gibbs is going to replace him.
Definitely not yet but I think the Skins were serving notice. We'll have to see how Frost responds, I don't think he has responded well under pressure before.

I wish that Punting and Kicking were the extent of our problems but they are just a bad side dish to a worse entree right now.

[shally]

Definitely not yet but I think the Skins were serving notice. We'll have to see how Frost responds, I don't think he has responded well under pressure before.

I wish that Punting and Kicking were the extent of our problems but they are just a bad side dish to a worse entree right now.

you are right, of course.. but there is some linkage.. not having a reliable kicker puts pressure on the offense to finish off drives.. not having a reliable punter puts pressure on the defense by losing field position by short kicks on not pinning a team deep. not kicking off deep allows radical shifts in field position.. it is all interconnected eventually

[NCskinsfanatic]

Whoever signs Sauerbrun, and it probably won't be us will hopefully release a better punter than Frost...a guy can hope right :lol1: . Hey didn't we just have a Crow eating thread for both our punter and kicker....hmmmm.

[redskin_rich]

you are right, of course.. but there is some linkage.. not having a reliable kicker puts pressure on the offense to finish off drives.. not having a reliable punter puts pressure on the defense by losing field position by short kicks on not pinning a team deep. not kicking off deep allows radical shifts in field position.. it is all interconnected eventually
I agree but that really hasn't factored in so far this year. Our defense has gotten killed even when we pin the offense on the 3 yard line. Hall had the miss against Minny but that wasn't a gimmie and the miss this past week was a bad call to begin with and should have never been attempted.

[shally]

I agree but that really hasn't factored in so far this year. Our defense has gotten killed even when we pin the offense on the 3 yard line. Hall had the miss against Minny but that wasn't a gimmie and the miss this past week was a bad call to begin with and should have never been attempted.

agreed.. but even small things can act like a tonic for the team.. you never know what will work on a teams psyche..

[MWballer]

http://profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

Looks like Sauerbrons been cut I hope we can bring him in for a try out tommorow

[shally]

http://profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

Looks like Sauerbrons been cut I hope we can bring him in for a try out tommorow

between him and sellers and taylor we could have a truly fearsome gang...

[oldskinfan]

the last time landeta shanked a punt, frost wasn't even born.. he would be the second coming of tom tupa.. might not have the greatest length any more, but he is a pro's pro and he has kicked in every imaginable situation over a career.. nothing will faze him

Hey, he used to play for Parcells in NY and more recently in Philly. Maybe he still has his playbooks ;-)

[skins111111]

Novak is back, he sounded like he has improved, especially working with Rackers in Ariz. he also has been kicking regularly just as if its game week.

[shally]

Hey, he used to play for Parcells in NY and more recently in Philly. Maybe he still has his playbooks ;-)

too bad we did not have him to kick in the meadowlands.. not that it would have made a difference this past week

[silverspring]

I honestly don't think that Frost is doing that poorly. He hasn't hit too many bad punts this year and he hit 8 for an average of 51.8 or something against Dallas, simply amazing. That is consistent and far, he obviously has not been that throughout the season but he is close (44.1). 44.1 per punt is pretty good if you ask me. I like him here and I don't think Gibbs is going to replace him.

See a couple years ago you would have been looking for blood if a punt was shanked. Frost has brainwashed us by his bad punts and shanking last year and numerous times through preseason. So now you think that just one shank here and there is ok.

[Axegrinder]

Man,I miss Reggie Roby.

[shally]

See a couple years ago you would have been looking for blood if a punt was shanked. Frost has brainwashed us by his bad punts and shanking last year and numerous times through preseason. So now you think that just one shank here and there is ok.

lowering of expectations..:lol1:

[shally]

Man,I miss Reggie Roby.

he and sean landeta played at the same time, i believe.. we cannot get roby, but we can get one of his contemporaries...

[redskin_rich]

Man,I miss Reggie Roby.
I have to say, in all my years of watching football, only Roby and Ray Guy were a thrill to watch, just wondering how high and far they would boom it.

[shally]

I have to say, in all my years of watching football, only Roby and Ray Guy were a thrill to watch, just wondering how high and far they would boom it.

i do not think roby ever had a punt blocked. a 1 step motion, plus he was physically intimidating because of his size and demeanor.. nobody wanted any part of him.. he was a great punter...

[silverspring]

lowering of expectations..:lol1:

Exactly, see it is a big conspiracy. He isn't that dumb. By the end of last year he figured out that he just isn't that good or at least that consistent. He realized at about the same time that as bad as he is he still didn't have any competition in training camp, that quickly led him to realize that danny smith is an idiot. So he probably figured if I look horrible throughout training camp and pre-season and then just look bad during regular season i can keep my job. All I have to do is tease danny smith with some good kicking in practice. So he purposefully shanked away during pre-season. We cringed but being that the rest of the team stunk it up too it didn't draw the primary focus and we got use to it. And now he only shanks because of his lack of talent and no one seems to even notice. I know I am smart but can I be the only one that sees through his sham?

[shally]

Exactly, see it is a big conspiracy. He isn't that dumb. By the end of last year he figured out that he just isn't that good or at least that consistent. He realized at about the same time that as bad as he is he still didn't have any competition in training camp, that quickly led him to realize that danny smith is an idiot. So he probably figured if I look horrible throughout training camp and pre-season and then just look bad during regular season i can keep my job. All I have to do is tease danny smith with some good kicking in practice. So he purposefully shanked away during pre-season. We cringed but being that the rest of the team stunk it up too it didn't draw the primary focus and we got use to it. And now he only shanks because of his lack of talent and no one seems to even notice. I know I am smart but can I be the only one that sees through his sham?

he is smarter than we give him credit for...:lol1:

[Keino]

Exactly, see it is a big conspiracy. He isn't that dumb. By the end of last year he figured out that he just isn't that good or at least that consistent. He realized at about the same time that as bad as he is he still didn't have any competition in training camp, that quickly led him to realize that danny smith is an idiot. So he probably figured if I look horrible throughout training camp and pre-season and then just look bad during regular season i can keep my job. All I have to do is tease danny smith with some good kicking in practice. So he purposefully shanked away during pre-season. We cringed but being that the rest of the team stunk it up too it didn't draw the primary focus and we got use to it. And now he only shanks because of his lack of talent and no one seems to even notice. I know I am smart but can I be the only one that sees through his sham?

Easily one of the most preposterous posts I've read in all my time here. Once again Danny Smith seem to draw your ire, while you ignore the FACT that he is not responsible for personnel decisions and the other FACT that our coverage units have been upper half of the league under his direction when previously they were lower half. We've blocked both Kicks and Punts under his direction another feat that hadn't been accomplished in a long time and have seen 2 KR's returned for TD's by less than explosive return men (Rock and Betts). He can only work with what he is given, surely you're smart enough to understand that, right?

The whole team deserves criticism right now, just remember to give credit where it is due as well. You seem to have a knack for the former while ignoring the latter.

[Redskin4Life]

http://profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

Looks like Sauerbrons been cut I hope we can bring him in for a try out tommorow
He's a cheater... used steroids as a KICKER?!!?

P. A. S. S.

[shally]

He's a cheater... used steroids as a KICKER?!!?

P. A. S. S.

i agree. i think he is a head case

[Redskinfan28]

He's a cheater... used steroids as a KICKER?!!?

P. A. S. S.

So what? He's one of the best punters and kickoff guys inthe league, both of which we struggle at. Bring him in cheap, and if he screws up, get someone else. It is obviously pretty easy to replace kickers and punters as their are people who are always available.

[silverspring]

Easily one of the most preposterous posts I've read in all my time here. Once again Danny Smith seem to draw your ire, while you ignore the FACT that he is not responsible for personnel decisions and the other FACT that our coverage units have been upper half of the league under his direction when previously they were lower half. We've blocked both Kicks and Punts under his direction another feat that hadn't been accomplished in a long time and have seen 2 KR's returned for TD's by less than explosive return men (Rock and Betts). He can only work with what he is given, surely you're smart enough to understand that, right?

The whole team deserves criticism right now, just remember to give credit where it is due as well. You seem to have a knack for the former while ignoring the latter.

First of all you really can't be serious, my humour must be a little to dry for you, but I thought it was fairly obvious that this post was a big sarcastic joke and me and shally were exchanging several of them.

But sorry I do detest danny smith and won't make an excuse for him. Gibbs has the last say in everything but from everything he himself says he gives each of his coaches including danny smith a lot of autonomy. Yes we have made a couple spectacular plays on special teams the last 3 years, but as they say even a blind squirrel finds an acorn once in a while. I would rather make zero spectacular plays and just be a consistently decent unit. One spectactular play to 10 bad plays always balances to the bad side. Our coaches put major emphasis on the importance of special team contribution, we have a lot of really talented athletes in our teams units but for some reason they play poorly as a unit, whose fault? Danny smith's imo. There is no excuse. Teams is all about coaching, there is traditionally mass player turnover in teams units, this emphasises the coaching cause you constantly have to get new players in line in your unit. I don't think Danny Smith is a good coach. And worse than that I believe he has a major role in teams personnel decisions like kickers and punters and he has made horrible decisions, didn't even bring one legitimate punter or kicker into training camp after a season of poor performances by hall and frost. Horrible.

And sorry I am pretty negative lately, but I have been a fan for a while and it is making me bitter. But when we play well I always say positive things, unfortunately we just don't play well often other then in the offseason.

[openallnight]

I have the sure way to solve the Punting Problem, and it doesn't involve any more acquisitions:

Convert on 3rd Down!!!
at least until you get into FG range.......(I have no solutions for that little problem)
I have a solution for both probs . . .
Go For it on 4th down!

[Redskin4Life]

So what? He's one of the best punters and kickoff guys inthe league, both of which we struggle at. Bring him in cheap, and if he screws up, get someone else. It is obviously pretty easy to replace kickers and punters as their are people who are always available.
When he was the best, he was taking drugs... since then what has he done??

NO THANK YOU.

[shally]

So what? He's one of the best punters and kickoff guys inthe league, both of which we struggle at. Bring him in cheap, and if he screws up, get someone else. It is obviously pretty easy to replace kickers and punters as their are people who are always available.

that is much the same attitude that teams used to justify signing TO... we do not need a head case

[redskin_rich]

When he was the best, he was taking drugs... since then what has he done??

NO THANK YOU.
Well, maybe he still has some connections and get our O-Line and D-Line on the juice, they sure need something.

[/sarcasm]

[shally]

Well, maybe he still has some connections and get our O-Line and D-Line on the juice, they sure need something.

[/sarcasm]

maybe their problem is they are off the juice ?? a group of "giambi's" ??

[redskinz#1fan]

I'm not going to sit here and lie and say that I read all the post in this thread, but I do have one easy suggestion to fix the punting problem......



Don't punt! The offense needs to keep the chains moving and put points on the board! PERIOD! I think that the Giants only punted about 1 time during their game with us.

There's the solution that everybody was looking for! And it didn't cost us a dime against the salary cap! Plus Frost still gets to keep his job.................as a paper weight!:)

[Redskinfan28]

that is much the same attitude that teams used to justify signing TO... we do not need a head case

This guy is nothing like TO, nor does he have the ability to divide a lockeroom.

[redwolf1218]

I'm not going to sit here and lie and say that I read all the post in this thread, but I do have one easy suggestion to fix the punting problem......



Don't punt! The offense needs to keep the chains moving and put points on the board! PERIOD! I think that the Giants only punted about 1 time during their game with us.

There's the solution that everybody was looking for! And it didn't cost us a dime against the salary cap! Plus Frost still gets to keep his job.................as a paper weight!:)
you have to convert 3rd downs for that to happen, or at least go for it on 4th down.

[redwolf1218]

ephedra is nothing but the herb from which sudafed was made right? truckers called them "white crosses" and took them to stay awake. you used to be able to get them at the Texaco or whatever. i think they put that stuff in some workout supplements for extra energy, or for weight loss. i just dont think it makes him a big drug addict or head case. hopefully he'll just switch to some really strong coffee.

if he clears waivers, i hope they bring him in for a workout. he used to be one of the best punters in the league.

[shally]

This guy is nothing like TO, nor does he have the ability to divide a lockeroom.
how do you know that ? he is still a loose cannon and trouble.. not worth having..

[shally]

ephedra is nothing but the herb from which sudafed was made right? truckers called them "white crosses" and took them to stay awake. you used to be able to get them at the Texaco or whatever. i think they put that stuff in some workout supplements for extra energy, or for weight loss. i just dont think it makes him a big drug addict or head case. hopefully he'll just switch to some really strong coffee.

if he clears waivers, i hope they bring him in for a workout. he used to be one of the best punters in the league.

i thought there was a question of steroid use ? or am i off base on that one ?

[redwolf1218]

how do you know that ? he is still a loose cannon and trouble.. not worth having..
because he took a supplement with ephedra in it...or is there more to his history that i dont know about?

[redwolf1218]

i thought there was a question of steroid use ? or am i off base on that one ?
i heard it was just ephedra. maybe i'm way off on that...

[shally]

i heard it was just ephedra. maybe i'm way off on that...


i am not sure that ephedra alone would get a player banned... we need clarification of what exactly his offense was..

[redskin_rich]

ephedra is nothing but the herb from which sudafed was made right? truckers called them "white crosses" and took them to stay awake. you used to be able to get them at the Texaco or whatever. i think they put that stuff in some workout supplements for extra energy, or for weight loss. i just dont think it makes him a big drug addict or head case. hopefully he'll just switch to some really strong coffee.

if he clears waivers, i hope they bring him in for a workout. he used to be one of the best punters in the league.
It's illegal now and it is also what Crystal Meth is made from. That is besides the point though, I used to use some products with ephedra when I worked out on a regular basis.
I am pretty sure Saurbrun was also implicated for using steroids.

[redwolf1218]

i am not sure that ephedra alone would get a player banned... we need clarification of what exactly his offense was..
ephedra got banned a while back, so it would cause a failed drug test.

Dexter Manley said he would take 4 sudafeds before a game, and 4 more at half-time, when he was trying to stay off cocaine.

[shally]

ephedra got banned a while back, so it would cause a failed drug test.

Dexter Manley said he would take 4 sudafeds before a game, and 4 more at half-time, when he was trying to stay off cocaine.

it varies from sport to sport.. but i guess you could be right.. how do they tell it is not from cold tablets, since you can still get it inthose if you have the older style around ?

[redwolf1218]

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/cardinals/articles/0707broncospunter-ON.html

that article says he was suspended for ephedra.

i dont know if he had any prior troubles or not.

[redwolf1218]

it varies from sport to sport.. but i guess you could be right.. how do they tell it is not from cold tablets, since you can still get it inthose if you have the older style around ?
doesnt matter...you have to read labels and make sure you dont take it.

[redskin_rich]

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/cardinals/articles/0707broncospunter-ON.html

that article says he was suspended for ephedra.
That is not his first offense, read this article.

http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/story/8338569

[shally]

That is not his first offense, read this article.

http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/story/8338569

THAT"S what i thought.. steroids...

[redwolf1218]

That is not his first offense, read this article.

http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/story/8338569

thanks...if you read my last post, you'll see that i questioned if he had any prior problems...

Shortt is the doctor who presribed the steroids.
yikes:

CBS said Mitchell and Steussie did not respond to repeated calls and letters seeking comment. The network said that when it contacted Sauerbrun by phone, and asked him about Shortt, the punter said, "I like the guy very much."

Ten minutes later, CBS said, Sauerbrun called back to say he had been confused and that he did not know Shortt.

[redskin_rich]

thanks...if you read my last post, you'll see that i questioned if he had any prior problems...

Shortt is the doctor who presribed the steroids.
yikes:

CBS said Mitchell and Steussie did not respond to repeated calls and letters seeking comment. The network said that when it contacted Sauerbrun by phone, and asked him about Shortt, the punter said, "I like the guy very much."

Ten minutes later, CBS said, Sauerbrun called back to say he had been confused and that he did not know Shortt.
Carolina cut him shortly after that report.

[shally]

Carolina cut him shortly after that report.

if he were a qb someone would take a chance on him.. as a punter ? i do not know..

[redwolf1218]

if he were a qb someone would take a chance on him.. as a punter ? i do not know..
i hate the message it sends when a guy makes the probowl on steroids and ephedra.

i doubt anyone would take a chance on him, but then again not many teams have a shank-artist for a punter. at best he's a probowler, and at worst, even with one leg tied behind his back he's probably better than Frost. if he screws up and gets suspended again, it's not like anyone is going to pick up Frost or that 44 year old guy they brought in the other day, or even Lonie for that matter...

[shally]

i hate the message it sends when a guy makes the probowl on steroids and ephedra.

i doubt anyone would take a chance on him, but then again not many teams have a shank-artist for a punter. at best he's a probowler, and at worst, even with one leg tied behind his back he's probably better than Frost. if he screws up and gets suspended again, it's not like anyone is going to pick up Frost or that 44 year old guy they brought in the other day, or even Lonie for that matter...

still.... pass on him..

[redwolf1218]

still.... pass on him..
i guess you're right. i cannot even imagine Gibbs at the press conference introducing him...

[Slobberknocker]

In other notes, here's the skinny on Landetta (per redskins.com)

On Tuesday, the Redskins gave punter Sean Landeta, 44, a tryout at Redskins Park. Landeta is a 21-year NFL veteran who played with Philadelphia last year.

Joe Gibbs said the team was exploring options in case Frost's injury lingers.

"[Landeta] came out of the car, went out there and just started booming them," Gibbs said, smiling. "I asked him, 'How many years is it for you?' He said, 'I'm into my 22nd year, plus I've had two in the USFL. And I still think my best years are in front of me.'

"He's extremely confident. And he should be. He punted quite a bit last year."

[redwolf1218]

In other notes, here's the skinny on Landetta (per redskins.com)

On Tuesday, the Redskins gave punter Sean Landeta, 44, a tryout at Redskins Park. Landeta is a 21-year NFL veteran who played with Philadelphia last year.

Joe Gibbs said the team was exploring options in case Frost's injury lingers.

"[Landeta] came out of the car, went out there and just started booming them," Gibbs said, smiling. "I asked him, 'How many years is it for you?' He said, 'I'm into my 22nd year, plus I've had two in the USFL. And I still think my best years are in front of me.'

"He's extremely confident. And he should be. He punted quite a bit last year."
i looked at his stats from last year, and he's impressive. especially in a game against us, because our defense used to be good and force a lot of punts...he had one heckuva day.

Frost has an injury? wth?

[Slobberknocker]

Here's the rest of the report:

-- FROST PROBABLE; GIBBS ON LANDETA

Punter Derrick Frost missed practice on Wednesday due to a family matter.

In last Sunday's game against the New York Giants, Frost sustained a calf injury. The injury is not considered serious and Frost is listed as probable on the team's injury report.

EDIT: WHERE HAVE WE HEARD THIS BEFORE???

Why not go with a young kid (who signed a three-year deal BTW) to kick field goals and an ol' boomer at punter? That's a good balance, IMHO. Experience at P means a heck of a lot more to me...

[redwolf1218]

Here's the rest of the report:

-- FROST PROBABLE; GIBBS ON LANDETA

Punter Derrick Frost missed practice on Wednesday due to a family matter.

In last Sunday's game against the New York Giants, Frost sustained a calf injury. The injury is not considered serious and Frost is listed as probable on the team's injury report.
in related news, a shank is listed as probable as well. but we have to stick with Frost because he was here last year.

[Slobberknocker]

in related news, a shank is listed as probable as well. but we have to stick with Frost because he was here last year.

Maybe Gibbs learned from Hall. In the Post story, it mentions that a large contigent at Redskins Park wanted Novak last year, but Gibbs stuck with Hall even though it was common knowledge John was suffering in the early going (using an ice pack on his groin? C'mon!).

Landetta sounds like the way to go. Imagine security at the kicking position? OMG.

[redwolf1218]

Maybe Gibbs learned from Hall. In the Post story, it mentions that a large contigent at Redskins Park wanted Novak last year, but Gibbs stuck with Hall even though it was common knowledge John was suffering in the early going (using an ice pack on his groin? C'mon!).

Landetta sounds like the way to go. Imagine security at the kicking position? OMG.
i hope they cut Frost and sign Landetta. if anything happens to Landetta, they can always bring back Frost. it's not like anyone else would sign him.

[DoGood]

I personally don't believe in Derrick Frost much. I am intrigued by Sean Landeta however.

[Slobberknocker]

i hope they cut Frost and sign Landetta. if anything happens to Landetta, they can always bring back Frost. it's not like anyone else would sign him.

Agreed. I think Gibbs is questioning his own steadfast loyalty and making some aggressive moves. We'll see how it plays out. This weekend is probably make-or-break for ol' Frosty Freeze.

[redwolf1218]

Agreed. I think Gibbs is questioning his own steadfast loyalty and making some aggressive moves. We'll see how it plays out. This weekend is probably make-or-break for ol' Frosty Freeze.
there is such a thing as loyal to a fault. his loyalty might be intended to breed some sort of chemistry, or reciprocal loyalty, but that doesnt seem to be the case when guys like Pierce, Smoot and Clark keep leaving after they were given their only chance in the NFL here, and they promised to stay. these guys are stabbing Gibbs in the back repeatedly and yes he should make some aggressive moves. i understand the message he's trying to send, but i think it's lost on the younger players today. maybe it's time to send another message.

[redskinz#1fan]

in related news, a shank is listed as probable as well. but we have to stick with Frost because he was here last year.


Does that mean Frost is going to get shanked at the next game?? ;)

I can bring mine if you want me too!! :D

[redwolf1218]

Does that mean Frost is going to get shanked at the next game?? ;)

I can bring mine if you want me too!! :D
honestly if he is chosen to punt now with an injury after his history of shanks and in the light of Gibbs' comments about how Landetta boomed it, then i am totally exasperated and i have no answer for you, except no you will not be able to punt even if you boom (50) 60-yarders in a row, plus 50 inside the 5, plus boot the kickoffs out of the endzone, and then you tell everyone your leg feels so good that you want to accept your invitation to go to a grape stomping contest and play in the world cup soccer championship.

[MONK_in_HOF]

Another mention of the Skins having interest in Sauerbrun. I realize he is only a P, but I think any bit of improvement is needed from this team. Also he could really help on kickoffs. I never realized Frost was hurt.

Keep an eye on Redskins P Derrick Frost. He has been limited somewhat by a calf injury and has been inconsistent. Though the team worked out Sean Landeta last week, team sources say that was more of a favor to a local (Baltimore) resident. More likely, the team might look at someone like Todd Sauerbrun, who was recently released by the Broncos.

link (http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/The+Way+We+Hear+It/Whispers/2006/whispers2115.htm)

It also has a quick blurb on the Rocky/Holdman situation right below the Sauerbrun tidbit.

[NCskinsfanatic]

I think we need to do whatever we can to win this year...let's try to improve any area we can, regardless of whether it's a short or long term solution with a vet signing. Perhaps changes should be made now so we know exactly what we need at the end of the year..instead of still guessing next August.

[smoot]

It also has a quick blurb on the Rocky/Holdman situation right below the Sauerbrun tidbit.

im guessing they didnt watch the titans game

[shally]

Another mention of the Skins having interest in Sauerbrun. I realize he is only a P, but I think any bit of improvement is needed from this team. Also he could really help on kickoffs. I never realized Frost was hurt.



link (http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/The+Way+We+Hear+It/Whispers/2006/whispers2115.htm)

It also has a quick blurb on the Rocky/Holdman situation right below the Sauerbrun tidbit.
said he wants to be a bronco.. and he can kick off like gangbusters..
re' the comment on rocky and holdman.... they cannot have seen the last 2 games and make that comment.. rocky needs to play