Interesting read on Gregg Williams/Al Saunders

[nicefellow31]

Read thought #3 on our coaches. I always felt Williams was a sort of arrogant guy. Not that there is nothing wrong with that.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blogs/storyview.php?StoryID=20061008-112343-8478r&TopicsID=skins

[shally]

Read thought #3 on our coaches. I always felt Williams was a sort of arrogant guy. Not that there is nothing wrong with that.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blogs/storyview.php?StoryID=20061008-112343-8478r&TopicsID=skins

both of them are arrogant.. they just show it in different ways.. williams is thinner skinned, i believe.. that probably got him in trouble in buffalo.. and if he doesn't learn to handle things better,it will bite him the next chance he gets to be a head coach..

i am less enamored of williams because he seems less adaptable than i thought originally.. it is too early to say much about saunders except he aint exactly lighting things up to the tune of 2 mil per year either

[toolman24266]

I have to disagree with this article I watch the ostgame live after every game and so far he has done a interview every time with kelly if it was a win or loss.

[nicefellow31]

I have to disagree with this article I watch the ostgame live after every game and so far he has done a interview every time with kelly if it was a win or loss.

I would say since Comcast is the official cable channel of the Redskins, he may get some pressure from the boss (ie. Mr Snyder) to make himself available. Heck maybe he got the hots for Kelly. :lol1:

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

I have to disagree with this article I watch the ostgame live after every game and so far he has done a interview every time with kelly if it was a win or loss.
i agree. the media takes it personal when people dont talk to them.

[bgforever]

i agree. the media takes it personal when people dont talk to them.

Whatever happened to, maybe the coach is so darned disappointed in what he is seeing and really counted on these guys to do what they do best or at least clocked in at Redskins Park during the week before the game! He is also aware of some players connection to former ones and the sentiment. Trust me, it exists, just like any other job on the planet. Sometimes the rash appears on the game because the sentiment is from the actual leaders of the team.

didn't you scratch your head at certain players that you just know would normally be fired up for the game. It was WAY out of character. GW should be be angry as . Somethings are better left UNSAID than amplifying through a media hound source.

[70chip-on-1]

I would say since Comcast is the official cable channel of the Redskins, he may get some pressure from the boss (ie. Mr Snyder) to make himself available. Heck maybe he got the hots for Kelly. :lol1:

Yeah.. those postgame interviews with Comcast are definitely paid for, and I'm sure Greg gets a nice taste as well, but I don't remember seeing him this week after the loss. Did anyone actually see Greg do the weekly redhead postgame?
If I was him, I woudn't either.. Who'd want to take questions from that madeup clown after this performance? I'd be figuring out whose keester deserved my boot.

I'm sure he's pissed off!
Like me.

[shally]

i agree. the media takes it personal when people dont talk to them.

not a good thing to do.. you make enemies easily that way..

[BigPlayJay]

I think that the writer is arrogant to think he gets to decide who the leading candidate for the next head coach is! The media in general all think that every player and coach should bend over backwards to give the the story. Many assistant coaches around the league don't consistently talk to media. Remember the Marty era?

[redwolf1218]

I think that the writer is arrogant to think he gets to decide who the leading candidate for the next head coach is! The media in general all think that every player and coach should bend over backwards to give the the story. Many assistant coaches around the league don't consistently talk to media. Remember the Marty era?
yes, he is arrogant to think this:

quote:
In the competition to be the next head coach of the Redskins, Saunders has the edge because he's accountable to the media, just like his players.

as if the fact that Williams didnt want to talk to this guy will influence the plans for the next head coach.

i'm glad Williams left without talking. after the comments i read last week from Saunders (about Portis) and Lindsey (about Lavar)...i wish the assistants would keep their mouths shut anyway.

[shally]

yes, he is arrogant to think this:

quote:
In the competition to be the next head coach of the Redskins, Saunders has the edge because he's accountable to the media, just like his players.

as if the fact that Williams didnt want to talk to this guy will influence the plans for the next head coach.

i'm glad Williams left without talking. after the comments i read last week from Saunders (about Portis) and Lindsey (about Lavar)...i wish the assistants would keep their mouths shut anyway.

your last sentence sums it up well.. if you keep talking long enough, you will say something you regret.. or as my father in law, the ex used car salesman used to say, " first person who speaks, loses..."

[redskin_rich]

I think that the writer is arrogant to think he gets to decide who the leading candidate for the next head coach is! The media in general all think that every player and coach should bend over backwards to give the the story. Many assistant coaches around the league don't consistently talk to media. Remember the Marty era?
Actually, it has been reported by some other sources as well, how GW snuck out of the locker and to the team bus. Players are held accountable, the coaches need to be as well and GW has more 'splaining to do than anybody right now.

[shally]

Actually, it has been reported by some other sources as well, how GW snuck out of the locker and to the team bus. Players are held accountable, the coaches need to be as well and GW has more 'splaining to do than anybody right now.

i think he has lived well and high off of the superb job he did in year 1.. this year is not so good and he needs to stand up as well...

[smoak]

i think he has lived well and high off of the superb job he did in year 1.. this year is not so good and he needs to stand up as well...

Last year wasn't even that good to be honest. It was up and down with great games (against Seattle at FedEx) and horrendous ones (Bucs in Tampa). The inconsistency is what drives me nuts.

But as frustrated as I am, I am loyal to GW b/c he put together a Super Bowl caliber defense in '04 and has a proven track record. I'd never speak to the media either. Some of them are real **insert favorite expletive**. GW is not accountable to the media. He is accountable to himself, his players, and most importantly, Gibbs.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Last year wasn't even that good to be honest. It was up and down with great games (against Seattle at FedEx) and horrendous ones (Bucs in Tampa). The inconsistency is what drives me nuts.

But as frustrated as I am, I am loyal to GW b/c he put together a Super Bowl caliber defense in '04 and has a proven track record. I'd never speak to the media either. Some of them are real **insert favorite expletive**. GW is not accountable to the media. He is accountable to himself, his players, and most importantly, Gibbs.
And to the fans.

[smoak]

And to the fans.

Why? The last thing I want is a coach who feels accountable to the fans. Ignoring the really good members here, on average most fans are completely moronic idiots who wouldn't know a pulling guard from a oozing puss-filled sore on their backside.

I wouldn't give my eye mucus for the opinion of the average fan.

[Dolla Bill]

I wonder if Williams has lost some of his presence with the Defense. When things go well, they're great, but when they go bad, its like an old dog with the same tricks. Has he lost the ability to motivate his defense?

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Why? The last thing I want is a coach who feels accountable to the fans. Ignoring the really good members here, on average most fans are completely moronic idiots who wouldn't know a pulling guard from a oozing puss-filled sore on their backside.

I wouldn't give my eye mucus for the opinion of the average fan.
I don't mean that he should listen to the fans' opinions. Not at all. But he ows it to the fans (all of them) to do his absolute best and to produce results, because at the end of the day, the fans are the only ones that are paying. Everybody else is getting paid. And alot.

[smoak]

I don't mean that he should listen to the fans' opinions. Not at all. But he ows it to the fans (all of them) to do his absolute best and to produce results, because at the end of the day, the fans are the only ones that are paying. Everybody else is getting paid. And alot.

Oh definitely. But I don't see the problems as being from a lack of effort so I wasn't thinking of it that way. Fans are more than welcome to turn in their tickets if they are dissatisfied. I won't get started on my thoughts about our fans.

[BurgundyNGold]

Williams *should* be ashamed of his squad's performance. He failed them.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Oh definitely. But I don't see the problems as being from a lack of effort so I wasn't thinking of it that way. Fans are more than welcome to turn in their tickets if they are dissatisfied. I won't get started on my thoughts about our fans.
Smoak, being a fan of different teams in different sports and in different countries, I can assure you that it's not just our fans...it's fans in general..they are a reflection of the human species..not the brightest of animals...

[toolman24266]

He was on there this week after the loss and If I remmeber he said he was proud of the D's effort but disapointed with the out come. I am not sure about him getting paid though. Becausr last week in the win there was all kinds of skins on the post game doing interviews. The only guys that were in this week was Cooley, Casey Rabach, Coach willams, And for some reason Lavar Arrington.

[shally]

I wonder if Williams has lost some of his presence with the Defense. When things go well, they're great, but when they go bad, its like an old dog with the same tricks. Has he lost the ability to motivate his defense?


i do not blame him for the poor tackling.. that is on the players.
but his blitzes are not effective and the coverage schemes cover no one..

[smoak]

Smoak, being a fan of different teams in different sports and in different countries, I can assure you that it's not just our fans...it's fans in general..they are a reflection of the human species..not the brightest of animals...

I don't disagree at all, but certainly some fan bases are smarter than others. I don't see the wave starting in Green Bay when their team is on offense.

Oh wait, I wasn't going to get started. Nevermind.

I fully support GW and the defense and I look forward to them correcting the issue(s) going forward.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

I don't disagree at all, but certainly some fan bases are smarter than others. I don't see the wave starting in Green Bay when their team is on offense.

Oh wait, I wasn't going to get started. Nevermind.

I fully support GW and the defense and I look forward to them correcting the issue(s) going forward.
Well, it's true that in the NFL fan behavior in the stadium is especially important..and it can really influence the game..but that's another argument for another day...
Regarding Williams and Saunders, I really don't care what they say, if anything at all, to the media..just as long as their units produce on the field.

[hail2skins]

i do not blame him for the poor tackling.. that is on the players.
but his blitzes are not effective and the coverage schemes cover no one..you can't blame him for the blitzes either. He calls them, but the plaers don't get there

[SpicyMcHaggis]

you can't blame him for the blitzes either. He calls them, but the plaers don't get there
But it's possible that they are called at the wrong time and with the wrong players (not saying that they necesarily are, just that there is a good time to blitz and a not so good time) and from the wrong sides of the field.

[redskin_rich]

you can't blame him for the blitzes either. He calls them, but the plaers don't get there
I'm calling him out for not blitzing enough. We got burned more on the prevent coverage than we did when we blitzed. And there was only one decent blitz up the middle that I saw. The rest were those DB blitzes on the ends that haven't worked all season.

[Dolla Bill]

What's the difference between not calling the blitzes and get picked apart, or going on the blitz and still getting burned. Its one in the same. I just think who we blitz and where falls on Williams.

[redskin_rich]

What's the difference between not calling the blitzes and get picked apart, or going on the blitz and still getting burned. Its one in the same. I just think who we blitz and where falls on Williams.
Well, to answer the first question, at least if you get burned blitzing there is a good chance to put the QB down and down hard. That can have a cumulative effect over the course of the game, just as not getting pressure can give the QB more confidence.
GW is not being at all aggressive and practically, the only blitzing he is doing is bringing a DB around the end, which has worked once this year so far. I would like to see the creative blitzes he has used in the past, stunts, zone blitz, jailbreak, whatever just don't let the QB have all day in the pocket.

[Axegrinder]

you can't blame him for the blitzes either. He calls them, but the players don't get there
I watched guys blitz who ran around the protection of the RB[the long way],instead of running/pushing through him.That added extra steps and bought Eli extra time.

[Meatsnack]

not a good thing to do.. you make enemies easily that way..
Ask Art "Not-In-The-HOF" Monk.

[Meatsnack]

I remember Williams in an interview saying that Buddy Ryan calls him all the time telling him he is too concerned with coverage when he should be concerned with putting the QB on his kiester. I never thought I would agree with Buddy Ryan on much of anything but...

Our defense is basically made to allow the modern "flex" 46 where instead of the traditional 46 (2 OLBs on the same side of the formation and a safety linebacker hybrid dropped on the other side of the Mike 3 DBs back) the LBs stay in their normal spread with a safety dropped down 3 yards from the LOS. Archuletta and ST are LB/safety hybrids. We should be able to generate all kinds of pressure that way against non-WCO teams.

The whole thing is weird. I don't see our guys gang-tackling the way they used to. I don't see the fire and enthusiasm. I don't see the ferocious, game-changing hits building uncertainty in the other team. Mostly, I don't see the QB wishing he were somewhere, anywhere else than in front our defense. Something needs to change.

[ryflan47]

You gotta be arrogant to be a D coach, because arrogance breeds aggressiveness. We just haven't been arrogant for the first 5 weeks of the season.

[shally]

I remember Williams in an interview saying that Buddy Ryan calls him all the time telling him he is too concerned with coverage when he should be concerned with putting the QB on his kiester. I never thought I would agree with Buddy Ryan on much of anything but...

Our defense is basically made to allow the modern "flex" 46 where instead of the traditional 46 (2 OLBs on the same side of the formation and a safety linebacker hybrid dropped on the other side of the Mike 3 DBs back) the LBs stay in their normal spread with a safety dropped down 3 yards from the LOS. Archuletta and ST are LB/safety hybrids. We should be able to generate all kinds of pressure that way against non-WCO teams.

The whole thing is weird. I don't see our guys gang-tackling the way they used to. I don't see the fire and enthusiasm. I don't see the ferocious, game-changing hits building uncertainty in the other team. Mostly, I don't see the QB wishing he were somewhere, anywhere else than in front our defense. Something needs to change.

interesting.. i had read that GW's defense was modelled onthe 46 defense.. if so, no pressure, no defense... we need to go after the qb...

[BigPlayJay]

I don't get how we can watch GW work wonders with average talent for two years and the sell him out after 5 games this year! His secondary play has been atrocious! I can understand how that might affect his play calling. Give him a break.

As for the media ducking, he is not the Head Coach and doesn't have to talk to the media if he doesn't want to. I would have preferred Saunders didn't talk to the media either. And definitely not Lindsay! Bring back the Marty rule, one guy represents the coaches.

[shally]

I don't get how we can watch GW work wonders with average talent for two years and the sell him out after 5 games this year! His secondary play has been atrocious! I can understand how that might affect his play calling. Give him a break.

As for the media ducking, he is not the Head Coach and doesn't have to talk to the media if he doesn't want to. I would have preferred Saunders didn't talk to the media either. And definitely not Lindsay! Bring back the Marty rule, one guy represents the coaches.

maybe losing pierce, then clark, then springs has had an effect

[BigPlayJay]

maybe losing pierce, then clark, then springs has had an effect
Loosing Pierce has been the biggest mistake the Gibbs regime has made IMO.
Clark hurts too since Prioleau went out.