Looks Like Golston/Montgomery for Titans Game

[Slobberknocker]

...and beyond.

I love Joe but applaud the move. We looked a lot more explosive with that rotation and Demetric Evans rushing with Carter. I hope we move some mountains in Tennessee. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/09/AR2006100901055.html)

Another Injury for Salave'a

Defensive tackle Joe Salave'a made his first appearance since Week 2 after missing two games with a right calf injury, but strained his left calf Sunday and could be out again. Bubba Tyer, the director of sports medicine, said this strain is as severe as the first one.

Salave'a said extended rest might be the best option, but he is hoping to make progress through treatment. Salave'a did not play as much in the second half against the Giants, and with rookie Kedric Golston shining in his absence and rookie Anthony Montgomery making strides, too, he said he would not be shocked if the Redskins went with youth at his position.

"We've got some young bucks in there right now who are ready to play," said Salave'a, who has been with Washington since 2004. "I'm going to have to earn my way back into the rotation and the coaches might decide they want to go another way."

[smoak]

I love Big Joe with all my heart. The guy has marginal talent and always plays full tilt with great enthusiasm. He is the epitome of just a hard working tough role player, and he will be missed. Thankfully we drafted well at the position and are prepared for injuries.

[Biggie]

Drafting Montgomery and Golston looks a LOT smarter nowadays.

[CarMike]

Drafting Montgomery and Golston looks a LOT smarter nowadays.
Which is why I'll never understand fans complaining about 2nd day draft selections. If we knew as much as the coaches, we'd be on the scouting team. Just because we may not notice a name when its called out, doesn't mean that they are not worthy of the pick.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

These injuries to Big Joe are starting to worry me...I always get a little suspicious when a player starts missing one game, then coming back for 2, then missing another pair, the back for one or two, then out again...and he will be 32 next year. If we need to shut him down for the season (or for w ahile anyways) to get him back to full health, then let's do so, because this back and forth is not helping anybody...maybe shally or somebody else can tell if a long period of rest would be helpful in his case or not..

[santanadasavior]

I think everyone here loves Joe, but I really like what these guys have been doing lately. I think that if we can give Joe some time to fully recover, and I mean fully, then he can come back at full form and probably win his job back. If he can't be at full form, then someone else is doing a good job. It also can't hurt late in games to have fresh bodies wearing down the interior line. I think that youth is the way to go on our line right now, other teams have all of our veterans figured out.

[redskin_rich]

These injuries to Big Joe are starting to worry me...I always get a little suspicious when a player starts missing one game, then coming back for 2, then missing another pair, the back for one or two, then out again...and he will be 32 next year. If we need to shut him down for the season (or for w ahile anyways) to get him back to full health, then let's do so, because this back and forth is not helping anybody...maybe shally or somebody else can tell if a long period of rest would be helpful in his case or not..
I think you'll see big Joe sit out for at least a month and then be brought back in slowly. We still are going to need him this season, these rookies are not used to playing in 16 games and they tend to hit the wall in November, which is usually when the intensity turns up a notch in the NFL.

I really didn't get why anybody questioned drafting two DT's this year. It was the oldest position on our team and I am so happy we have two young prospects to put in over journeymen like Killings and Boschetti.

[LATrueRedskin]

I love Big Joe, and I hope he can get back soon. But I really like the prospect of Golston; he's been playing really hard and with a high motor for us.

[santanadasavior]

I think you'll see big Joe sit out for at least a month and then be brought back in slowly. We still are going to need him this season, these rookies are not used to playing in 16 games and they tend to hit the wall in November, which is usually when the intensity turns up a notch in the NFL.

I really didn't get why anybody questioned drafting two DT's this year. It was the oldest position on our team and I am so happy we have two young prospects to put in over journeymen like Killings and Boschetti.

Having Griff and Joe play sparingly could really help us as the season goes on with two relatively fresh guys.

[CNYSkinFan]

I love Big Joe with all my heart. The guy has marginal talent and always plays full tilt with great enthusiasm. He is the epitome of just a hard working tough role player, and he will be missed. Thankfully we drafted well at the position and are prepared for injuries.
I am willing to admit I was totally wrong on these two. These guys are really playing hard and poor old Big Joe just is breakin down. I picked Joe as the player most likely to disapoint this year because I doubted his health. Still I hiope he gets healthy and we should rest him until he is. We got two young studs that are ready to go here.

[ryflan47]

I love Joey S, but it's Golston time!

[Redskinfan28]

They have been pleasant surprises, but lets not act like they are all-pros. The lack of penetration along the DL is a reason we are struggling on defense.

[greatest2]

They have been pleasant surprises, but lets not act like they are all-pros. The lack of penetration along the DL is a reason we are struggling on defense.

he only speaks the truth...

preech brother

[becky]

They have been pleasant surprises, but lets not act like they are all-pros. The lack of penetration along the DL is a reason we are struggling on defense.

I agree, but from what they've shown so far, particularly Golston, there's really no reason to doubt that they will continue to improve and this may remedy itself. I hope. Either way Joe getting healthy is important, because him continuing to play hurt really won't help things.

[shally]

...and beyond.

I love Joe but applaud the move. We looked a lot more explosive with that rotation and Demetric Evans rushing with Carter. I hope we move some mountains in Tennessee. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/09/AR2006100901055.html)

Another Injury for Salave'a

Defensive tackle Joe Salave'a made his first appearance since Week 2 after missing two games with a right calf injury, but strained his left calf Sunday and could be out again. Bubba Tyer, the director of sports medicine, said this strain is as severe as the first one.

Salave'a said extended rest might be the best option, but he is hoping to make progress through treatment. Salave'a did not play as much in the second half against the Giants, and with rookie Kedric Golston shining in his absence and rookie Anthony Montgomery making strides, too, he said he would not be shocked if the Redskins went with youth at his position.

"We've got some young bucks in there right now who are ready to play," said Salave'a, who has been with Washington since 2004. "I'm going to have to earn my way back into the rotation and the coaches might decide they want to go another way."

excellent.. go with youth on the line...

[shally]

I am willing to admit I was totally wrong on these two. These guys are really playing hard and poor old Big Joe just is breakin down. I picked Joe as the player most likely to disapoint this year because I doubted his health. Still I hiope he gets healthy and we should rest him until he is. We got two young studs that are ready to go here.

it is a really tough position to grow old in... they get beat up constantly..

[bgforever]

Drafting Montgomery and Golston looks a LOT smarter nowadays.

Whew, that was a close one!

[santanadasavior]

They have been pleasant surprises, but lets not act like they are all-pros. The lack of penetration along the DL is a reason we are struggling on defense.

For a couple of late round rookies I think that they are more than we could have expected.

[shally]

For a couple of late round rookies I think that they are more than we could have expected.

well for once it looks like we might have a productive second day...

[Axegrinder]

Let's not forget that Greg Williams used to coach the Titans.There may be some added insentive here.

I'm glad to see these guys are making the most of their opportunities.

[shally]

Let's not forget that Greg Williams used to coach the Titans.There may be some added insentive here.

I'm glad to see these guys are making the most of their opportunities.

i doubt if any of the guys williams coached in tennessee are still there now.. that is several lifetimes ago.. even buffalo has few players left from him..

[Axegrinder]

i doubt if any of the guys williams coached in tennessee are still there now.. that is several lifetimes ago.. even buffalo has few players left from him..Not so much because of the players,more because of his ties to the organization.

[shally]

Not so much because of the players,more because of his ties to the organization.

absolutely... i think i read that he is still close to a number of their coaches and to ownership...if fisher leaves,it would not surprise me one bit if he ended up as tennessee head coach rather than with the skins

[redskin_rich]

Let's not forget that Greg Williams used to coach the Titans.There may be some added insentive here.

That cuts two ways. Fisher and Gregg Williams are both disciples of Buddy Ryan. They both share the same defensive philosphy and have worked together for many years.

[Patrick]

I hate to say this BUT right now with our current group of D-Linemen - As a unit they are playing very inconsistent – veterans, rookies, - did does NOT matter. One week they are playing well as a group and may have an outstanding game and the next week look like the worse D-Line in the league.
BOTTOMLINE – we’ve got talent there BUT no one is stepping up – at least NOT on a weekly basis - JMO

[RoanokeSkin]

Which is why I'll never understand fans complaining about 2nd day draft selections. If we knew as much as the coaches, we'd be on the scouting team. Just because we may not notice a name when its called out, doesn't mean that they are not worthy of the pick.

I dont think I am ever going to forgive Gibbs for taking Nemo over Chris Canty though (although I think that was a 3rd rounder).

[SpicyMcHaggis]

I hate to say this BUT right now with our current group of D-Linemen - As a unit they are playing very inconsistent – veterans, rookies, - did does NOT matter. One week they are playing well as a group and may have an outstanding game and the next week look like the worse D-Line in the league.
BOTTOMLINE – we’ve got talent there BUT no one is stepping up – at least NOT on a weekly basis - JMO
Unfortunately you can extend that concept to just about all the rest of our team except a few guys...

[PennSkinsFan]

Looking forward to seeing both of these guys again. They have both played well subbing in for big Joe, and the more they play, the better they will get. Salave'a's comment said it all, when he said, "i may have to earn the spot back". He's right. If these guys, as young as they are, contune playing at a high level they have, Salave'a may find it extremely difficult to get his position back.

[Dolla Bill]

Looking forward to seeing both of these guys again. They have both played well subbing in for big Joe, and the more they play, the better they will get. Salave'a's comment said it all, when he said, "i may have to earn the spot back". He's right. If these guys, as young as they are, contune playing at a high level they have, Salave'a may find it extremely difficult to get his position back.


He would be a serviceable backup at any rate then. The guy I want on the line is Evans. He seems to make things happen.

[colkurtz]

Go with the youth. Our DL is not doing well in the games I've seen and we've got to develop what we had, not to hang on to the past.

[redskinz#1fan]

Golston is definitely the sleeper pick of this year! Did you guys see him getting in peoples faces towards the end of the Giants game. I can't remember if somebody pushed him or what, but he was definitely holding his own! I really like this kid!

[redwolf1218]

good. i'm glad these guys are getting a chance to play. it usually takes an injury for a new guy to get a chance on this team.

[shally]

good. i'm glad these guys are getting a chance to play. it usually takes an injury for a new guy to get a chance on this team.

both salavea and griff are nicked, so you are right on that one..

[bgforever]

Looking forward to seeing both of these guys again. They have both played well subbing in for big Joe, and the more they play, the better they will get. Salave'a's comment said it all, when he said, "i may have to earn the spot back". He's right. If these guys, as young as they are, contune playing at a high level they have, Salave'a may find it extremely difficult to get his position back.

Truer things are said in jest.

[Slobberknocker]

I dont think I am ever going to forgive Gibbs for taking Nemo over Chris Canty though (although I think that was a 3rd rounder).

You can relax. We didn't take Nemo till the 7th round and a lot of other teams passed on Canty too.

[shally]

You can relax. We didn't take Nemo till the 7th round and a lot of other teams passed on Canty too.

4th rounder... that was one pick i was really hoping for by the skins.. worse yet he went to the cowboys.. ugh..

[redwolf1218]

both salavea and griff are nicked, so you are right on that one..
yea but i feel bad hoping for injuries to see a better and younger guy in the game.

[shally]

yea but i feel bad hoping for injuries to see a better and younger guy in the game.

no major injuries.. just a little nick here and there.. just enough to get the young guys on the field

[HailVictory]

Good week to sit the vets. Chasing Young all over the place is no way to get healthy for a stretch run. Let the rooks play and keep the vets healing in a game you could easily see them getting hurt worse.

[shally]

Good week to sit the vets. Chasing Young all over the place is no way to get healthy for a stretch run. Let the rooks play and keep the vets healing in a game you could easily see them getting hurt worse.


although in priciple i believe we should put our best team out there every game, there is a lot of reason to put younger, more athletic players out there when you are playing the kind of dangerous, young team we are facing

[redskinz#1fan]

Looking forward to seeing both of these guys again. They have both played well subbing in for big Joe, and the more they play, the better they will get. Salave'a's comment said it all, when he said, "i may have to earn the spot back". He's right. If these guys, as young as they are, contune playing at a high level they have, Salave'a may find it extremely difficult to get his position back.

The better player should play. You should always continue to earn your spot, and playing time. That is what makes for a better and more competitive team.

[shally]

The better player should play. You should always continue to earn your spot, and playing time. That is what makes for a better and more competitive team.

we are always going to have a rotation at def line.. there will be playing time for all under GW's scheme

[HailVictory]

we are always going to have a rotation at def line.. there will be playing time for all under GW's scheme
Where do you think the rookies long term positions will be. It seems like Golston's will replace Griff., and Motgomery will take over big Joe's spot. Seems like Gloston comes in 1st no matter who is hurt. I know they are all expected to know both positions, but long term who plays where? If Joe is replaced 1st then Golston starts although it may not be his best natural position?

[bgforever]

Good week to sit the vets. Chasing Young all over the place is no way to get healthy for a stretch run. Let the rooks play and keep the vets healing in a game you could easily see them getting hurt worse.

Yeah and it is important to have them ready for the rest of the season. Unfortunately for Peyton Manning, his grandmother passed away this week and he just got back today. In order to help bring him back to the mental stages of the NFL, he has our game to look forward to. Oh great - another player or players needing a lift after an extreme circumstance. We just keep drawing that card. So having guys fresh for at least that game and hopefully beyond, would be just as crucial as this Sunday's game. I am trying to resist mentioning the other game so much, because we need to focus on the Tennessee game first.

Our younger guys aren't wasting their opportunity and that build up later should make the D more aggressive.

[redwolf1218]

Good week to sit the vets. Chasing Young all over the place is no way to get healthy for a stretch run. Let the rooks play and keep the vets healing in a game you could easily see them getting hurt worse.
that's a good way to lose a game. i wonder if that's what the Colts thought when they barely won 14-13. i do think we should let Springs get healthy before he plays, but i dont agree with the idea of looking past this game. do that, and we might lose, then we might lose to Indy and go into the bye with a 2 and 5 record.

[bgforever]

that's a good way to lose a game. i wonder if that's what the Colts thought when they barely won 14-13. i do think we should let Springs get healthy before he plays, but i dont agree with the idea of looking past this game. do that, and we might lose, then we might lose to Indy and go into the bye with a 2 and 5 record.

true, the younger guys SHOULD be in the game, but not "exclusively". We can't afford it. We must absolutely play this game like the others don't exist, because Young's legs are far and away, more fresher than a McNabb or McNair. It's his ability to read that's impressive also. Springs needs some kind of action, hopefully in this game to keep that Tenn offense honest and get his game back in shape.

[ChiefPowhatan17]

This is the perfect game for our youth to get some real fulltime game experience. Golsten is a beast and I bet he really steps it up a notch at home just like against Jacksonville.

[shally]

This is the perfect game for our youth to get some real fulltime game experience. Golsten is a beast and I bet he really steps it up a notch at home just like against Jacksonville.

given that salavea and griffin are hurt, this is the perfect time to get them experience.. athleticsm is good against a mobile qb...

[redskinz#1fan]

given that salavea and griffin are hurt, this is the perfect time to get them experience.. athleticsm is good against a mobile qb...
I think the more that Golston plays the more we'll appreciate this move. I can really see a big battle this off season between him and Salavea. This kid ain't going nowhere, but up! This will only mean bigger and better things for our interior line!

[shally]

I think the more that Golston plays the more we'll appreciate this move. I can really see a big battle this off season between him and Salavea. This kid ain't going nowhere, but up! This will only mean bigger and better things for our interior line!

if he can stay healthy, he has a future as a starter for years for the skins...

[redskinz#1fan]

if he can stay healthy, he has a future as a starter for years for the skins...


Your so right with that Shally. He's becoming a beast on the field, plus he has such great character. I remember an interview that he gave on redskins.com, he seems to be a fun loving guy. So easy going. Plus if you remember the article about him, he's been through a lot to get to where he is today. That type of struggle in his early life has definitely made him a stronger man.

[shally]

Your so right with that Shally. He's becoming a beast on the field, plus he has such great character. I remember an interview that he gave on redskins.com, he seems to be a fun loving guy. So easy going. Plus if you remember the article about him, he's been through a lot to get to where he is today. That type of struggle in his early life has definitely made him a stronger man.

and he survived a horrendous accident.. a lesser man would have given up.. he is a real feel good story and it is easy to root for him

[redskinz#1fan]

and he survived a horrendous accident.. a lesser man would have given up.. he is a real feel good story and it is easy to root for him


I just like how he was out there looking out for our boys in this last game with the Giants. I remember a play where one of the Giants players pushed one of our players, and he stepped in and handle business. I love players that stick up for one another. That shows that they're family!

[redwolf1218]

and he survived a horrendous accident.. a lesser man would have given up.. he is a real feel good story and it is easy to root for him
i remember reading a story about Billy Kilmer, where he was told he'd never walk again. there are lots of stories about athletes, acrobats, and performers who overcompensated in their rehab's to become something bigger and better than they would have ever become before the accident.

[shally]

I just like how he was out there looking out for our boys in this last game with the Giants. I remember a play where one of the Giants players pushed one of our players, and he stepped in and handle business. I love players that stick up for one another. That shows that they're family!

totally agree.. play him.. start him.. next year, they sign him long term...

[shally]

i remember reading a story about Billy Kilmer, where he was told he'd never walk again. there are lots of stories about athletes, acrobats, and performers who overcompensated in their rehab's to become something bigger and better than they would have ever become before the accident.

kilmer was amazing.. he was lucky to walk again. remember, sports medicine was really primative then.., but kilmer was never the athlete he once was before the accident. he was a fine runner in a single wing formation.
golston appears to have worked hard but benefitted from modern sports medicine.. his future is bright

[redwolf1218]

kilmer was amazing.. he was lucky to walk again. remember, sports medicine was really primative then.., but kilmer was never the athlete he once was before the accident. he was a fine runner in a single wing formation.
golston appears to have worked hard but benefitted from modern sports medicine.. his future is bright
i'm glad a new-comer at least has a chance with Williams.

[shally]

i'm glad a new-comer at least has a chance with Williams.

helps that there are injuries.. but helps even more that he plays line.. i doubt that williams would play him if he plays LB or db

[redwolf1218]

helps that there are injuries.. but helps even more that he plays line.. i doubt that williams would play him if he plays LB or db
you might be right, but Williams seems to be true to his word that all of players that he chooses to make the team will play. he's thrown guys like Clark, Jimoh and Rumph in there, but he just usually waits a few weeks with rookies like Taylor, Rogers and Rocky.

the offense and special teams, on the other hand, will look straight into the eyes of a gift horse and cut him in favor of last year's jackass.

[shally]

you might be right, but Williams seems to be true to his word that all of players that he chooses to make the team will play. he's thrown guys like Clark, Jimoh and Rumph in there, but he just usually waits a few weeks with rookies like Taylor, Rogers and Rocky.

the offense and special teams, on the other hand, will look straight into the eyes of a gift horse and cut him in favor of last year's jackass.

sad.. that is sure a way to let your team get old and less athletic..

[redwolf1218]

sad.. that is sure a way to let your team get old and less athletic..
are we old and less athletic?

[shally]

are we old and less athletic?

no.. but to lose player after young player is a way to get there pretty quickly. having 2 young players like golston and montgomery makes the d line that more effective. do we have ANYONE like those 2 who play the o line positions who are similar? no we don't. guys like pino, ndukwe, harvey were allowed to slip away. instead we have pucillo and walters who are career backups that are not going to start anywhere. then we have wade..and we have molinaro who is home grown but has been unimpressive for his entire career. it does not take long to see that jansen looks to be ageing quickly and samuels looks to be having problems with his knee again.. unlike the d line, there are no reserves who could step in and provide youth and athleticism and a positive future..

[RedskinsVision]

no.. but to lose player after young player is a way to get there pretty quickly. having 2 young players like golston and montgomery makes the d line that more effective. do we have ANYONE like those 2 who play the o line positions who are similar? no we don't. guys like pino, ndukwe, harvey were allowed to slip away. instead we have pucillo and walters who are career backups that are not going to start anywhere. then we have wade..and we have molinaro who is home grown but has been unimpressive for his entire career. it does not take long to see that jansen looks to be ageing quickly and samuels looks to be having problems with his knee again.. unlike the d line, there are no reserves who could step in and provide youth and athleticism and a positive future..

OL depth does lack youth but Doc's only 26, Rabach and Samuels are 29 and both Jansen and Thomas are 30 so it's not like they are going to need to be replaced in the next year or 2. But it's imperative for management to find some gems and groom them for a few years. For every Golston/Montgomery there's a Wilson/Molinaro.

[shally]

OL depth does lack youth but Doc's only 26, Rabach and Samuels are 29 and both Jansen and Thomas are 30 so it's not like they are going to need to be replaced in the next year or 2. But it's imperative for management to find some gems and groom them for a few years. For every Golston/Montgomery there's a Wilson/Molinaro.

the problem is that linemen can sometimes get old in a hurry regardless of what the calendar says.. we once had stai and heck (admittedly older) who got ancient in a hurry. jansen has yet to demonstrate he is capable of playing at his pre injury state.. and it was truly ugly when ray brown was basically the only quality reserve we had.
my only point is that it would be great to have someone similar to golston or montgomery on the o line who could come in in one of the o line starters gets nicked.. all the o line is hurting right now and it will likely get worse as the season wears on....
we simply need young depth behind them...

[santanadasavior]

I think that in the distant future these guys could be the Stroud and Henderson of the NFL. They are still a far way away, but they will have a connection there because they are the same age, same situation starting, and they both are workhorses. Everyone loves Big Joe and I think these guys could have that same feel to them a little later. I like what I see.

[redskinz#1fan]

I think that in the distant future these guys could be the Stroud and Henderson of the NFL. They are still a far way away, but they will have a connection there because they are the same age, same situation starting, and they both are workhorses. Everyone loves Big Joe and I think these guys could have that same feel to them a little later. I like what I see.


You have to love Big Joe! He's an average lineman that goes all out on every play. He loves this team through and through. How can you not love that. I would much rather have a team for of heart and soul, because when you have that you can overcome pretty much anything.

[redwolf1218]

no.. but to lose player after young player is a way to get there pretty quickly. having 2 young players like golston and montgomery makes the d line that more effective. do we have ANYONE like those 2 who play the o line positions who are similar? no we don't. guys like pino, ndukwe, harvey were allowed to slip away. instead we have pucillo and walters who are career backups that are not going to start anywhere. then we have wade..and we have molinaro who is home grown but has been unimpressive for his entire career. it does not take long to see that jansen looks to be ageing quickly and samuels looks to be having problems with his knee again.. unlike the d line, there are no reserves who could step in and provide youth and athleticism and a positive future..
sadly, i dont think any young guys have much of a chance on the offensive side of the ball, or special teams. on defense, yes.